We have 2 mics in our baby grand in a very live sanctuary. Would your EQ and compression suggestions apply to both mics with some slight tweaks depending on the high or low end mic placement?
Yes, to a point. I try to get my mics placed so they both sound similar, but have the tonal & balance differences to give a real stereo image. So in that case I’ll EQ them identically, but if that’s not possible, I’ll make slight changes to help it feel like “one” source rather than two
Wow. We have similar tastes. Mine too is Piano, Rhodes and B3. In fact I bought myself a Nord Electro 5D because of how authentic the EPs and organ sounds.
Thank you so much brother. You are sharing wisdom here, so simple to follow and to understand. Specific topic at a time helps me focus to solve one problem at a time.
Thank you for serving your church there in Long Beach! It's tough working through the "I'm new at this" stage... but stick with it! It only gets more and more fun
mostly panning stereo hard left and right, even if there are multiple stereo keyboards... it's more about how the venue and PA is set up than anything else
There is a way I prefer my keyboard(keys) to sound like, if its against your EQ setups how will you deal with this situation? Thank you so much for sharing this, very helpful.
i like brighter grand pianos typically. Plus a synth pad underneath, where the player makes it brighter as the dynamics of the band goes up, and darker as the dynamics come down.
Any tips for a grand piano? It has a built in mic but I'm hearing all the working parts from it (i.e. when the sustain pedal is engaged, when the hammers hit the strings closest to the mic, et) its not noticeable in the mix but can be heard when played alone.
It's a difficult instrument to get just right. Mic placement is key, so if you're hearing too much mechanical noise, perhaps move the mics farther from the hammers, though I love the sounds from the inside of the piano as long as they're not louder than the notes.
3:1-4:1... an electric piano is going to have less attack, less dynamic range and more sustain typically, so its compressor is going to respond differently. Low-mid EQ points are going to be similar though
Hi, nice presentation! Can you please help suggest the best route for live setup of keys / synth? We have a Nord stage, 1 channel output (channel 1) going straight to a DI, then to Allen Heath console. But I cannot get the keyboards to sound as “in your face” as possible. When i say in your face-It’s like what you should hear when you plug the headphones direct from Nord and play it- that level of clarity. Or when you’re using laptop, as you press the Midi controller- and listen on headphones, that clarity. So far what I am hearing in my live setup is a bit filtered/ muffled sounding. It’s not coming out in its pureness. Thanks!
First, try going stereo. Then, your PA will never sound quite like headphones that are right next to your ears, because there's more room sound. You can try and compress it tightly to get it to feel more in-your-face, but unless your PA has great coverage, and your room has great acoustic treatment, it's an uphill battle.
Thanks for all your videos! They are really helpfull and explain a lot. I have one question, do you have some tips for live instruments as trumpet/trombone/tuba/saxophone?
It's my pleasure! I have tips for those, but it's so rare in a worship context that I have a hard time finding instrumentalists or even tracks to demonstrate with. Do you have some?
@@AttawayAudio i have some tracks, but not from a worship. I am the soundtech of a group that plays Egerlander music. Last year i invested in a X32, and with that i have some recordings available in Cubase. How can i send those to you?
Nice! I would only change one thing, but that’s because I’m a keys player and I subscribe to the Ian McIntosh school of “there’s no such thing as too much piano verb.” :-)
It's all so dependent on what you're playing and how you're wanting it to fit in the mix. For instance, a high shelf can either make it stand out more and bring out the overtones, or tuck it back in the mix and make it more subtle and fuller. The notes you play will determine where there's a buildup in the midrange, likely at the frequencies I suggested in the video.
Hi Alvin! I'm not sure I completely understand. Do you mean setting the compressor differently for the Left and Right sides of a stereo input? In that case you'd have to use dual mono channels that operate independently. If that doesn't answer your question, let me know. I'd be happy to help!
@@AttawayAudio What I'm trying to say is, if I use the same type of compressor for multiple channels, but I want to have different ratio, tresh hold, or sustain of that same compressor for each channel. Is that possibble?
High shelf is least intrusive, LPF is last resort. Plus if they suddenly throw a drum loop at you down those channels, you haven't TOTALLY destroyed it 😂
Depends on how fast they're playing, but in the 200-500ms range. 300ms is a happy medium, unless I need it to sustain forrrr-eevvvvv--vuuuuurrrr. Thanks for the question Oscar!
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quick straight to the point. fantastic video
What’s your favorite keyboard sound? I love grand pianos (real ones), electric pianos (Rhodes more than wurly), and b3 with a Leslie.
We have 2 mics in our baby grand in a very live sanctuary. Would your EQ and compression suggestions apply to both mics with some slight tweaks depending on the high or low end mic placement?
Yes, to a point. I try to get my mics placed so they both sound similar, but have the tonal & balance differences to give a real stereo image. So in that case I’ll EQ them identically, but if that’s not possible, I’ll make slight changes to help it feel like “one” source rather than two
Wow. We have similar tastes. Mine too is Piano, Rhodes and B3. In fact I bought myself a Nord Electro 5D because of how authentic the EPs and organ sounds.
Yes
My favorite keyboard sound is Tony Banks
I like your no-nonsense teaching technique and your obvious knowledge base.
Thank you so much brother. You are sharing wisdom here, so simple to follow and to understand. Specific topic at a time helps me focus to solve one problem at a time.
You are very welcome al tob! Great audio is a series of baby steps 🙌
I've been searching all over TH-cam looking for tips on how to mix accordion in worship, finally something helpful! Thanks!
what do you call it when you throw a banjo in the dumpster and it lands on an accordion?
perfect pitch
I've learned so much from you. Thank you so much for taking the time to share your experience. So much appreciated :)
Great videos, I’ve been enjoying them.. I mix a church in Long Beach every Sunday and I’m new to the “church sound”
Thank you for serving your church there in Long Beach! It's tough working through the "I'm new at this" stage... but stick with it! It only gets more and more fun
Great videos! I have seen all of your videos to really grasp what I can for my church. It would be helpful if you can show us how to setup the FOH EQ.
Thank you! I'm working on getting a FOH EQ/system tuning/sub setup video together. All that stuff is heavy 😂
Straight to the point great information.
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Love your comments about the "squeeze box!"
Thanks for sharing. God bless you
Great video and tips. And about the pan of this instrument? Piano, keyboard/strings and Pads?
mostly panning stereo hard left and right, even if there are multiple stereo keyboards... it's more about how the venue and PA is set up than anything else
Thanks for reply
Would you mind sharing the multitracks for practice purposes as it’s kinda hard to find proper gospel multitracks
There is a way I prefer my keyboard(keys) to sound like, if its against your EQ setups how will you deal with this situation?
Thank you so much for sharing this, very helpful.
If you like your keyboards to sound a certain way, do that! This is just a suggestion in one direction that works for me.
Hi - what keyboard settings do you prefer in a live mix?
i like brighter grand pianos typically. Plus a synth pad underneath, where the player makes it brighter as the dynamics of the band goes up, and darker as the dynamics come down.
Interesting and clear. What is the EQ/DAW you're using on your touch screen?
It's a SSL L200 console and their app.
Any tips for a grand piano? It has a built in mic but I'm hearing all the working parts from it (i.e. when the sustain pedal is engaged, when the hammers hit the strings closest to the mic, et) its not noticeable in the mix but can be heard when played alone.
It's a difficult instrument to get just right. Mic placement is key, so if you're hearing too much mechanical noise, perhaps move the mics farther from the hammers, though I love the sounds from the inside of the piano as long as they're not louder than the notes.
Hi, what was the ratio on the piano comp and would you mix a fender rhodes about the same way?
3:1-4:1... an electric piano is going to have less attack, less dynamic range and more sustain typically, so its compressor is going to respond differently. Low-mid EQ points are going to be similar though
@@AttawayAudio Tx! TH-cam lacks tutorials on how to threat Rhodes and Wurlys in the studio unfortunately.
Hi, nice presentation! Can you please help suggest the best route for live setup of keys / synth? We have a Nord stage, 1 channel output (channel 1) going straight to a DI, then to Allen Heath console. But I cannot get the keyboards to sound as “in your face” as possible. When i say in your face-It’s like what you should hear when you plug the headphones direct from Nord and play it- that level of clarity. Or when you’re using laptop, as you press the Midi controller- and listen on headphones, that clarity. So far what I am hearing in my live setup is a bit filtered/ muffled sounding. It’s not coming out in its pureness. Thanks!
First, try going stereo. Then, your PA will never sound quite like headphones that are right next to your ears, because there's more room sound. You can try and compress it tightly to get it to feel more in-your-face, but unless your PA has great coverage, and your room has great acoustic treatment, it's an uphill battle.
parameters for keyboard compression kindly 🙏
Thank you for this video.it has been really helpful. what is a good compression ratio for keyboard/piano
3:1-4:1 is my starting place. Glad the video has been helpful for you!
If mixing a mono grand piano signal, should it be panned or left central?
in live sound, middle
Thanks for all your videos! They are really helpfull and explain a lot.
I have one question, do you have some tips for live instruments as trumpet/trombone/tuba/saxophone?
It's my pleasure! I have tips for those, but it's so rare in a worship context that I have a hard time finding instrumentalists or even tracks to demonstrate with. Do you have some?
@@AttawayAudio i have some tracks, but not from a worship. I am the soundtech of a group that plays Egerlander music. Last year i invested in a X32, and with that i have some recordings available in Cubase. How can i send those to you?
Nice! I would only change one thing, but that’s because I’m a keys player and I subscribe to the Ian McIntosh school of “there’s no such thing as too much piano verb.” :-)
Haha nice
I like using my roland juno ds in mutiibral mode. Any suggestions on a setting that will work globally?
It's all so dependent on what you're playing and how you're wanting it to fit in the mix. For instance, a high shelf can either make it stand out more and bring out the overtones, or tuck it back in the mix and make it more subtle and fuller. The notes you play will determine where there's a buildup in the midrange, likely at the frequencies I suggested in the video.
Hi, how can i use different settings of same compressor for different instrument channels?
Hi Alvin! I'm not sure I completely understand. Do you mean setting the compressor differently for the Left and Right sides of a stereo input? In that case you'd have to use dual mono channels that operate independently. If that doesn't answer your question, let me know. I'd be happy to help!
@@AttawayAudio What I'm trying to say is, if I use the same type of compressor for multiple channels, but I want to have different ratio, tresh hold, or sustain of that same compressor for each channel. Is that possibble?
@@LVieghne every input has its own compressor. They are independent, you can adjust your guitar differently from your piano, for example.
4:30 Maybe LPF not hi shelf?
High shelf is least intrusive, LPF is last resort. Plus if they suddenly throw a drum loop at you down those channels, you haven't TOTALLY destroyed it 😂
What brands of plugins you use?
This is on a SSL Live console
I struggled with mixing keyboards and elec guitar (overdriven).. always eating each other 😆
After the arrangement is worked out (essential), pick one to be brighter and the other to be darker.
What was the ratio for the piano
3:1-4:1... that's pretty much my go-to ratio on all input channels
Nice
Thanks Shyam!
For the most part, what release time do you use on piano?
Depends on how fast they're playing, but in the 200-500ms range. 300ms is a happy medium, unless I need it to sustain forrrr-eevvvvv--vuuuuurrrr. Thanks for the question Oscar!
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you know you felt that too
and here’s how to mix accordion 😂
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Weird Al fans were all thinking: what's wrong with accordion?
I missed if he said he worships. It's important as I cannot take any advice unless it's from a worshipping person.
thx for not having 3 minutes of bullshit in the intro