@@davidbrowne5792 You say "thanks for everything you did demar" and "thanks kawhi for bringing toronto a ring". it's ok to thank both guys. they're both stars.
It’s whole lot easier to stay loyal when the loyalty is mutual. Problem is many teams and fans want that loyalty to go one way (player to franchise, city and them) and feel because the players make a lot of money that it’s ok and they should just take it.
@Matthew Jackson yep. So many examples of organizations screwing over players. Kemba getting no help, IT getting traded from Boston, lebron wasting early years with the Cavs, Blake Griffin getting traded out of the blue
Demar, Isiah and kemba were not going to win you anything so it's in the front office best interest to trade these guys. Ain't no body thinking about trading a guy like LeBron or Kobe or Tim Duncan or Micheal unless they ask for it. These guys win and keep their fan base wanting more. Fans need something to root for and if a star isn't bringing wins then the front office really doesn't need them
C’s much better with kemba. Kyrie can’t lead a team, he’s too selfish. Kemba came from a huge role in Charlotte and had absolutely no problem adjusting to more of a facilitator role rather than the only option, and he has no complaints at all and seems very happy. Kyrie’s selfishness didn’t work out on a team with that much talent, he needs to be the only guy on a team or he’ll be unhappy. Just wait until KD comes back from the injury, if he’s still good I guarantee kyrie doesn’t stay on the nets
Blame the media and fans that judge players on rings and rings only.Players see that and don't wan't to stay with a team if that team doesn't get a good cast around them.And besides why be loyal to a team that would trade you in a heartbeat for a better player?.What's weird is that both boston and cavs lost that trade lol Edit:Let's not forget how kobe wanted a trade after shaq when he had those crap teams,and he would have evrey right to do so.
@@shepardice3775 bruh how is it peanuts? The highest paid player by salary today is Curry at 40.23 mil, thats 10 mil less than magic johnson would've made adjusted for inflation.
NBA casual fans in 2016: KD ruined the league I hate Super teams NBA casual fans in 2019: Kawhi needs to join the Lakers so Lebron can get 6 rings, It won’t ruin the league, KD did it so it’s ok
So we just gonna act like Kobe didn't request a trade to the Bulls? Lakers just didn't trade him, but he did request to be traded. He was actually quoted as saying he prefer to "play on Pluto" than play with the Lakers at one point.
Loyalty also comes with good teams, dirk consistently had good teams from his draft to arpunf 2014. Tim duncan was drafted into david robinson than manu and parker, duncan had a good team his whole career for the most part. Kobe was drafted into the lakers, an extremely well run franchise AT THE TIME, he had shaq for 8 or so years and when they got bad around 2006, he wanted out. Then the lakers got Pau Gasol and kobe stayed. After 2012 he had no reason to leave even though the team was bad. The lakers paid him and he stayed through his injury. Loyalty for the most part doesnt have to the player, unless your backstabbers like kyrie, who litterally got a free trip to the finals ever year and were prolly gunna win eventually on the cavs. And kd had a top 3 team in the league but you know how that went. This took awhile.
As a raptors fan I was so happy when the raptors won the Championship. Probably the greatest moment in sportsw history for Toronto. Getting Kawhi was a great move, and I hopehe stays. At the same time tho, we really did Demar dirty. He wanted to stay in Toronto his whole career, and to this day I still kind of miss him. Loyalty is overrated. If the franchises aren't loyal because they want to make a good business move and we accept it we shouldn't be getting mad at players who aren't loyal because they want to make a good move that benifits them. I dont understand thios "Players should be loyal but teams shouldnt". Doesnt make sense to me
Players are turning down the supermax so if that's not seen indication, i don't know what is. Plus, you gotta adjust for inflation when it comes to contracts
Greed destroys loyalty. even teams doesn't have loyalty when a player goes to hard times like what happens to derrick rose, dwyane wade & Isaiah Thomas.
Its great but the net worth of magic is not quite true since inflation is not adjusted, if we consider inflation he has made around 70 mil though its way less but still.
I'm glad someone finally fucking said this shit. I don't know why people expect players to be obligated to stay loyal to franchises who don't give a fuck about them and only want money
He not leaving he do alot for the city I even played him 1v1 at community center like 3 years ago I went to game 5 vs Toronto and Game 1 vs Boston giannis loves Milwaukee he not leaving
He may stay or he may leave in the future. And if he ever does leave, that's totally fine, as long as he does so in free agency, and doesn't force his way out via trade, like other players are doing more and more.
Lot of people saying it ain't practical to stay loyal to a team, especially if that team can't build around you, then I agree. But the loyal ones will always stay legendary.
Like the video and no disrespect but you didn't account for inflation. 23 million dollars in 1991 is 43 million in today's world. Not saying anything bad but just putting it in perspective for ya
Still proves his point none less. 43 mil for his entire career is a joke compared to top level players making that in one year (contract + advertising)
One example. DeMar DeRozan. He was loyal and was burnt by it. The new CBA created that : owners, GM's and fans aren't loyal. Even, in the earlier CBA, players asked to being trade to other organizations when they weren't happy as early as 1960s : Wilt Chamberlain, Earl Monroe, Kareem... It was their only option and they opted for the trade. Another CBA, signed in the early 1990s, allowed players to benefit more freedom of movement. That's why players like Barkley, Mullin [etc.] were traded after they requested to move. And in the summer of 1996, MJ talked with the Knicks organization because they offered him more $ than his Chicago Bulls... Of course, Chicago double the offer made by New York afterwords.
At some point in the future, I think there will definitely be a documentary and/or a movie about the 2019 NBA trade. I think this is historical! I love it👊🏽👊🏽. If there is a movie produced, I hope it will be as good as the movie “Draft Day”. That movie was BAD ASS and Kevin Costner is my dude!!! Good vid man!
That thing with Demar.. What people overlook is that Masai gave them chances over the years. He held on to Demar. Took Demar at his word and gave him the team. It always led to the same result. As a GM, it's not then disloyal to make a move which only had one outcome - championship results. The *only* shade thrown was that week leading up, he-said-he-said about the whole not willing to trade thing. But after seeing Masai plant his roots in TO last week to continue as Prez, you gotta think that Masai knows what loyalty means.
It never existed. Teams could always move whoever they wanted. The minute Isaiah Thomas got traded-AND THEN Demar Derozan and Blake Griffin and Westbrook, etc.-players decided if they can be forced to move away from their families or move their families, they might as well do it and go where they want to. Plus with the teams being as great as they are at the top of the league, you’re completely stuck if you’re on half of the teams in the league. People used to not move because they couldn’t move. But throughout history if you could move you did.
Your last point is really spot-on, Kawhi went to the Clippers to play with Paul George, Lou Williams, a great supporting cast and a great coach but no one gives him shit for that, but KD is disrespected all the time even 4 years after he left OKC...
Kenneth Erickson no shit so he goes somewhere else maybe a better opportunity maybe worse does it matter? We haven’t seen him for more than 3 years and Kemba has had 8
I feel like a lot of poorly run franchises are poorly run because of the immense pressure to keep your stars. It’s hard to run a team well when you’re backed into a corner trying to make sure every move is good for the team and pleases your star. On top of that, I don’t feel like small market teams can really be blamed for being unable to put together super teams to keep their stars. For example, free agents aren’t signing with Milwaukee to play with Giannis, even though he’s the mvp. But as soon as he leaves to go to a big market, guys will be lining up to play with Giannis. It’s not Milwaukee’s fault that players don’t perceive their town as a fun place to be. Players having as much power as they currently do is just ruining small market teams
Exactly, it would be foolish for players to stay loyal when their organizations would show them the door the minute it benefits them...Player empowerment is a GOOD thing.
Kendrez Flournoy it’s not the players fault tho. If you think about it why would these players be loyal to a team that’s not goin to be loyal to them ?? For an example Demar Derozan was loyal asf to the raptors n look what they did traded him away for Kawhi Leonard.
Great video, I agree with all those points. Bout time Kemba left Charlotte. Steph and Klay might just stay with Golden State because they are one of those rare well run franchises, that is unless the Warriors lose loyalty to them. New subscriber!
Remember when great players created rivalries between each other. Now all of the good players try and flock to the same team. Ring chasing basterds. What's the point of buying a jersey when it will be obsolete in a year.
Agree entirely. Look back to the Bulls. Slowly the NBA is becoming more of a player league than a franchise league like the NFL. The orgs. Been fucking w players for years. Now they dont care about switching teams to play with friends or get rings why tf not if the old dude in a suit can trade you whenever. Lebron really set the foundation. Magic, Bird, Kobe, Mike. The previous “faces” of the league stayed loyal. Lebron (rightfully so) left the terrible Cavs and their front office in the dust and went to Miami.
It’s the most pressure ever on these players to wing rings also , nobody wants to get clowned like Charles Barkley. & these organizations have proven that they only care about what you can do for them they don’t care about loyalty
I live in Portland. I don’t know if people realize how ingrained Damian is in this community and the close relationship with the Blazer higher ups (Blazer GM Olshey went to his baby’s 1st birthday, for instance) Add to it his loyalty and it’s a 0.000083674 chance he leaves the Blazers.
Russell Westbrook John wall steph curry and Damian Lilliard all staying with their teams I feel like point guards are the most loyal positions these days
2 years later, team loyalty has gained another person which is Giannis. Hell for sure stay with the Bucks forever because he won a championship with them and 2 mvps
Russ tried to stay with OKC. It says a lot about the world today that business is astronomically more important than loyalty. Ethics is dead like chivalry.
Two factors the money issues is not relevant: 1) TV Contracts (shared revenue) have inflated team net worth by over 100%. 2) If you compare 1980 USD versus 2017 is disproportional = $100 in 1980 → $297.48 in 2017.
NBA is a business. The players are treating it like a business. The owners have been treating it like a business. There’s nothing wrong with it. Look what loyalty did to IT. The players are being smart with the limited years they have
This is why I have given up on the NBA, used to love, never miss a prime time game, then players started leaving teams and joining up, especially stars, so who cares about the Nba
That's why the smarter ones have a trade clause in their contract. Also the media and fans contributed to this mess by all ways saying if you don't have a ring than your a bum.
I believe the reason is that players are starting to think that they are bigger than franchises. They are the one selling tickets, Winning game and doing everything else.
Karl Anthony Towns is gonna be a Timberwolf his career. Donavan Mitchell too. They can be a deadly force with the seasons coming on their individual teams
I dont think people were upset at Durant just because he left OKC, I think its the fact that he left Westbrook hanging after he had made comments on wanting to stay, he also left to join a team that had already won a championship without him. Kawhi left a team that he was traded to with really no links, he gave them what they wanted and so its acceptable to leave to another team that hasnt shown much success. Unlike KD, Kawhi delivered when giving his franchise a chip.
What i know is this. Regular players seek for the best deal. But only the GREAT players are of such a talent that they are able to dictate what team they stay on and build a legacy and Glory. To be a legend. To take a franchise that is so low and with your so great a talent Build it up and bring it up to such heights and bring it Glory. Thats why i always respected Reggie Miller. Even though he never won a ring. Only the Absolute Greatest players have this ability. The rest are just players.
I just wish the league was more spread out... have two stars on teams so the league will be competitive and fun. I think now it’s predictable you know who going to be in the finals because the best players are all on the same team. No excitement and nobody wants to beat there rival they want to join them. Yeah part of me is stuck in the 90’s but MJ Pat Ewing, Shaq etc. wanted to beat each other. And only play together in all star games and olympics
Phillip B That’s because lebron said himself he is better than Jordan, who as I’m sure you know, went 6-0 in the finals with ONE team, and without 2 other all stars. Of course the media’s gonna compare them, and you can’t have this debate without talking about 6-0
sometimes being disloyal is negative danny ainge is so disloyal that it cost the celtics anthony davis because anthony davis's family didnt like how danny ainge treated isaiah thomas after he gave his heart and soul and tooth to the celtics
Free agency is easier than before that’s the main reason. Also I think if a star wins championships in one city from jump there will be no reason to leave.
Inflation and the player union is also why players get paid so much nowadays in general. plus it's some of the most selling entertainment world wide (no offense, that's why they get paid more than WNBA, because all the T.V. contracts, Endorsement deals, and the money that actually comes in from those contracts, and the crowds each NBA team can draw in on average A NIGHT and all the concessions, merchandise, and things bought AT the game afterwards, plus now that teams have actual sponsors on their Jerseys like Nascar, that probably helps money wise too, even though I know the WNBA has sponsors as well.) People overall just have to take into account, yeah, this is basketball, a sport all of us love (or wouldn't watch this video hahaha). But now, if you couldn't tell with how on the 'post-season' ALL of us are on it now this year, with the draft and free agency, this is an entertainment business as much as anything else at this point now, and it's THRIVING, because it kinda seems like a T.V. reality show, but it's REAL, and it has a future for all of us as NBA fans. And that equals ratings, which equals money. I know it's nonsense rambling at this point. I'm just saying, if you ad the fact of the league being as much an entertainment industry as it is a league now, and inflation of money in general, plus the player union, it's a perfect storm for an NBA player right now to get PAID no matter the rules put in place. That's why they can go where they please.
We’ve seen it before, loyalty isn’t worth all the hard work in todays NBA, just look at Demar DeRozan and Isaiah Thomas for example, both were franchise players and were loyal to their team yet both got traded away.
Don’t forget inflation, Magic’s career earnings is more in the 40 million range when a adjusted with inflation. Still had some great points made other than that.
owners used to be loyal like the 80's celtics they couldve traded bird and mchale and been really good in the 90's but auerbach didnt because he was loyal to his players and for that he kept two hall of famers for the entirety of their careers
Magic only made 23 mil in his career but you forgot to calculate inflation, so compared to those days that’s an incredible amount just like steph curry is making in today’s age. In maybe another 50 years 200 mil will look like a yearly salary vs total earned in a career
Kobe threatened not to play cause he got drafted by Charlotte and basically forced them to trade him. And he threatened to leave LA if they didn't bring in bigger stars to help him win his 4th and 5th ring after he basically made them choose between trading him or Shaq. Kobe definitely had the drama queen element to his loyalty.
One complaint about this video, is that you didn’t adjust for inflation when comparing Magic and other players. That being said though the comparison is still crazy
when i saw what they did to my boy harrisson barnes trading him mid game during the dallas game and then announcing it for everyone to see and hear... fuck all these team asking for loyal players...
So who gonna win the 2019-2020 final… comment below
Wherever Kawhi Go Or Bucks
I still got golden state if kawhi doesn't go to LA
Lakes regardless
the Rockets of course
La
It’s not worth it, the team will trade you once you start slowing down & fans turn on players too. Just secure the bag!
ISAIAH THOMAS
This is a owner friendly video lol
Cavvsss LIFEEE yea his own fans gave up on him
@@cavvssslifeee8770 fuck u
M A.Cannon you cant say owner anymore cuz it’s “racist” it’s governor now 😂
Demar Derozan would’ve never left The raptors if he didn’t get traded.
That's why you dont be "loyal" to your organization. They'll screw a player over in a heartbeat
Loyalty goes both ways
I love demar, but we got a chip so idk what to say
@@davidbrowne5792 You say "thanks for everything you did demar" and "thanks kawhi for bringing toronto a ring". it's ok to thank both guys. they're both stars.
@@blackmanwhitesuit Already did those, there is not much left to say. I am sure Demar is 100% over it, but the move had to happen.
I think Steph Curry will be a Warrior forever
Hopefully
@Jim BrodieWhat about Wilt?
@@tbagspecialist8497 didn't win with the warriors
@@tbagspecialist8497 actually he didnt really have much team success until he got to philly
Same with Damian Millard
It’s whole lot easier to stay loyal when the loyalty is mutual. Problem is many teams and fans want that loyalty to go one way (player to franchise, city and them) and feel because the players make a lot of money that it’s ok and they should just take it.
brian thomas couldn’t of said it better myself
@Matthew Jackson yep. So many examples of organizations screwing over players. Kemba getting no help, IT getting traded from Boston, lebron wasting early years with the Cavs, Blake Griffin getting traded out of the blue
U said it perfect
Demar, Isiah and kemba were not going to win you anything so it's in the front office best interest to trade these guys. Ain't no body thinking about trading a guy like LeBron or Kobe or Tim Duncan or Micheal unless they ask for it. These guys win and keep their fan base wanting more. Fans need something to root for and if a star isn't bringing wins then the front office really doesn't need them
Yeah take D Rose for example
Both the Cavs AND the Celtics managed to lose the Kyrie trade
C’s much better with kemba. Kyrie can’t lead a team, he’s too selfish. Kemba came from a huge role in Charlotte and had absolutely no problem adjusting to more of a facilitator role rather than the only option, and he has no complaints at all and seems very happy. Kyrie’s selfishness didn’t work out on a team with that much talent, he needs to be the only guy on a team or he’ll be unhappy. Just wait until KD comes back from the injury, if he’s still good I guarantee kyrie doesn’t stay on the nets
Nah Cs are fine without Kyrie Kemba is such an unselfish player it just makes everyone else better
@@tradeka4206 Kemba is bad now
Blame the media and fans that judge players on rings and rings only.Players see that and don't wan't to stay with a team if that team doesn't get a good cast around them.And besides why be loyal to a team that would trade you in a heartbeat for a better player?.What's weird is that both boston and cavs lost that trade lol
Edit:Let's not forget how kobe wanted a trade after shaq when he had those crap teams,and he would have evrey right to do so.
dice581 actually you’re right
You have to adjust Magic Johnson’s career earnings due to inflation. 23 million back then was a lot of money. Great video non the less!!
True, except inflation differential between now and the 80s would be around 200% so his point still stands.
I worked it out the actual amount 23 mil is now is over 120 mil
Hamish Stankler that’s just simply not true
@@hamishstankler3969 It's not. It's just over $50 mil. Still peanuts compared to what players get today.
@@shepardice3775 bruh how is it peanuts? The highest paid player by salary today is Curry at 40.23 mil, thats 10 mil less than magic johnson would've made adjusted for inflation.
NBA casual fans in 2016: KD ruined the league I hate Super teams
NBA casual fans in 2019: Kawhi needs to join the Lakers so Lebron can get 6 rings, It won’t ruin the league, KD did it so it’s ok
Kd joined A 73 win team and joined a team he was up 3-1 on in the wcf
GrownManRyan i just hope kawhi stays in TO
@@shadyboy5090 I'm a Lakers fan cause Kobe's my favorite of all time, and a Kawhi fan, but I hope he stays in Toronto, build a legacy up in the North.
GrownManRyan lmao exactly
@@jugg7621 True but LA already has AD and a few other good pieces. Not to mention the other big 3s that bron had.
So we just gonna act like Kobe didn't request a trade to the Bulls?
Lakers just didn't trade him, but he did request to be traded. He was actually quoted as saying he prefer to "play on Pluto" than play with the Lakers at one point.
This is true
Bro in lebron first few years wit Cleveland ilgauskas was lebrons best teammate not mo williams
Oh yeah I forgot he was an All-Star in 05. Gotta put some respect on Big Z
@@pjmcray101 true, but mo Williams was also an all star as well
@@evileyegaming405 he was, but after big Z retired
i lost brain cells trying to read this
@Kenneth Erickson By the same token, I doubt Jordan would have won playing for an idiot like Dan Gilbert.
Loyalty also comes with good teams, dirk consistently had good teams from his draft to arpunf 2014. Tim duncan was drafted into david robinson than manu and parker, duncan had a good team his whole career for the most part. Kobe was drafted into the lakers, an extremely well run franchise AT THE TIME, he had shaq for 8 or so years and when they got bad around 2006, he wanted out. Then the lakers got Pau Gasol and kobe stayed. After 2012 he had no reason to leave even though the team was bad. The lakers paid him and he stayed through his injury. Loyalty for the most part doesnt have to the player, unless your backstabbers like kyrie, who litterally got a free trip to the finals ever year and were prolly gunna win eventually on the cavs. And kd had a top 3 team in the league but you know how that went.
This took awhile.
There’s no loyalty in pro sports nor should there be. Talk to me about loyalty when teams are no longer allowed to trade players
jaylock9twenty5 hockey has probably the most loyalty in the 4 pro sports in NA
Adrian Wojnarowski and hockey is the best sport
Players don't get no trade clause anymore?
As a raptors fan I was so happy when the raptors won the Championship. Probably the greatest moment in sportsw history for Toronto. Getting Kawhi was a great move, and I hopehe stays. At the same time tho, we really did Demar dirty. He wanted to stay in Toronto his whole career, and to this day I still kind of miss him. Loyalty is overrated. If the franchises aren't loyal because they want to make a good business move and we accept it we shouldn't be getting mad at players who aren't loyal because they want to make a good move that benifits them. I dont understand thios "Players should be loyal but teams shouldnt". Doesnt make sense to me
8:41 the girl gets hit in the head 😂
Players are turning down the supermax so if that's not seen indication, i don't know what is.
Plus, you gotta adjust for inflation when it comes to contracts
Thank you
Greed destroys loyalty. even teams doesn't have loyalty when a player goes to hard times like what happens to derrick rose, dwyane wade & Isaiah Thomas.
6:19 so we all pretending he didn’t go out of bounds?
There’s no such thing as loyalty in business lil boi 💰💰
You Mad Bc You Ain’t Got A Dad obviously not true
Steph will probably stay on warriors his whole career if he don't get any major injuries or his production doesn't drop to bad.
Its great but the net worth of magic is not quite true since inflation is not adjusted, if we consider inflation he has made around 70 mil though its way less but still.
Dirk and Udonis will my favorite NBA Players when It Comes To loyalty... When you wear their Jerseys it will never be obsolete...
Loyalty:
Kd: Yes
I'm glad someone finally fucking said this shit. I don't know why people expect players to be obligated to stay loyal to franchises who don't give a fuck about them and only want money
Giannis gon stay for sure, the bucks gave him everything when he came from greece he was so thankful he not just gon leave em
Lmao he probably
if giannis gets injured, bucks will trade him so quickly
iliaas x loool he leaving in free agency nobody wanna play in broke ass Milwaukee with bum Middleton
He not leaving he do alot for the city I even played him 1v1 at community center like 3 years ago I went to game 5 vs Toronto and Game 1 vs Boston giannis loves Milwaukee he not leaving
He may stay or he may leave in the future. And if he ever does leave, that's totally fine, as long as he does so in free agency, and doesn't force his way out via trade, like other players are doing more and more.
Lot of people saying it ain't practical to stay loyal to a team, especially if that team can't build around you, then I agree. But the loyal ones will always stay legendary.
Like the video and no disrespect but you didn't account for inflation. 23 million dollars in 1991 is 43 million in today's world. Not saying anything bad but just putting it in perspective for ya
Still proves his point none less. 43 mil for his entire career is a joke compared to top level players making that in one year (contract + advertising)
One example.
DeMar DeRozan. He was loyal and was burnt by it.
The new CBA created that : owners, GM's and fans aren't loyal.
Even, in the earlier CBA, players asked to being trade to other organizations when they weren't happy as early as 1960s : Wilt Chamberlain, Earl Monroe, Kareem... It was their only option and they opted for the trade.
Another CBA, signed in the early 1990s, allowed players to benefit more freedom of movement. That's why players like Barkley, Mullin [etc.] were traded after they requested to move.
And in the summer of 1996, MJ talked with the Knicks organization because they offered him more $ than his Chicago Bulls... Of course, Chicago double the offer made by New York afterwords.
Blake dropped 45 on the clippers and he had a brake out season kinda worked out for him
English class didn’t work out for you
@@fredoshanetana2361 lol
At some point in the future, I think there will definitely be a documentary and/or a movie about the 2019 NBA trade. I think this is historical! I love it👊🏽👊🏽. If there is a movie produced, I hope it will be as good as the movie “Draft Day”. That movie was BAD ASS and Kevin Costner is my dude!!!
Good vid man!
Rip to the legend Kobe bean Bryant. Mamba mentality
A team has to show loyalty before the player does.
That thing with Demar.. What people overlook is that Masai gave them chances over the years. He held on to Demar. Took Demar at his word and gave him the team. It always led to the same result. As a GM, it's not then disloyal to make a move which only had one outcome - championship results. The *only* shade thrown was that week leading up, he-said-he-said about the whole not willing to trade thing. But after seeing Masai plant his roots in TO last week to continue as Prez, you gotta think that Masai knows what loyalty means.
It never existed. Teams could always move whoever they wanted. The minute Isaiah Thomas got traded-AND THEN Demar Derozan and Blake Griffin and Westbrook, etc.-players decided if they can be forced to move away from their families or move their families, they might as well do it and go where they want to. Plus with the teams being as great as they are at the top of the league, you’re completely stuck if you’re on half of the teams in the league. People used to not move because they couldn’t move. But throughout history if you could move you did.
As A Bandwagon Warriors Fan I’ve thought about this All Week And Weekend Thank You for Articulating this In A Way my feeble mind Cannot
Ace Wilson Your seriously a bandwagon? I’m a loyal warriors fan and you better be joking😂
Ace Wilson well at least you admitted it
Lol,I'm Warriors fan since I know NBA Street
It makes the NBA more competitive.
TeZa IceCapGaming lmfao people think they’re cool cause they’ve been with a winning team for a long period of time 💀💀💀💀
Your last point is really spot-on, Kawhi went to the Clippers to play with Paul George, Lou Williams, a great supporting cast and a great coach but no one gives him shit for that, but KD is disrespected all the time even 4 years after he left OKC...
Kyrie was still really young before LBJ returned to that cavs...
And? He’s still not winning anything even if he never came he went to a stacked roster in Boston and was trash so what’s your point 💀💀💀
jasmine Torres how does that relate to anything I said🤣🤣
BrxndxnR yea it does lmao
Forreal kyrie only had 3 years by himself Kembas had 7
Kenneth Erickson no shit so he goes somewhere else maybe a better opportunity maybe worse does it matter? We haven’t seen him for more than 3 years and Kemba has had 8
I feel like a lot of poorly run franchises are poorly run because of the immense pressure to keep your stars. It’s hard to run a team well when you’re backed into a corner trying to make sure every move is good for the team and pleases your star. On top of that, I don’t feel like small market teams can really be blamed for being unable to put together super teams to keep their stars. For example, free agents aren’t signing with Milwaukee to play with Giannis, even though he’s the mvp. But as soon as he leaves to go to a big market, guys will be lining up to play with Giannis. It’s not Milwaukee’s fault that players don’t perceive their town as a fun place to be. Players having as much power as they currently do is just ruining small market teams
Dame lillard genius🤦🏽♂️ he not leaving Portland
Exactly, it would be foolish for players to stay loyal when their organizations would show them the door the minute it benefits them...Player empowerment is a GOOD thing.
Absolutely.
Nobody cares about loyalty anymore. It's all about royalty and players that want to play in a bigger market team.
Kendrez Flournoy it’s not the players fault tho. If you think about it why would these players be loyal to a team that’s not goin to be loyal to them ?? For an example Demar Derozan was loyal asf to the raptors n look what they did traded him away for Kawhi Leonard.
Vucevic and Lillard are loyal lol. Vucevic literally looks up to dirk as a player so he’s commit thick and thin. His contract also made it betters
Hope this isn't taken offensively by ANYONE, but your enthusiasm and tone in your voice, and your voice in general kinda reminds me of L.O.W.
Great video, I agree with all those points. Bout time Kemba left Charlotte. Steph and Klay might just stay with Golden State because they are one of those rare well run franchises, that is unless the Warriors lose loyalty to them. New subscriber!
They won’t bruh Steph and Klay will never be traded
i think giannis will be loyal to his team he said that he wanted to play like those legends who stayed in one team.
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I dont understand why nba plays care so much about the money, they get paid an insane amount, just stay on the team you have good chemistry with
Remember when great players created rivalries between each other. Now all of the good players try and flock to the same team. Ring chasing basterds. What's the point of buying a jersey when it will be obsolete in a year.
these are straight factsss keep up the good work man, earned urself a new sub and like
NBA is a business if the players are loyal they team aren't if the team is the player isn't jus saying🤷🏿♂️
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Agree entirely. Look back to the Bulls. Slowly the NBA is becoming more of a player league than a franchise league like the NFL. The orgs. Been fucking w players for years. Now they dont care about switching teams to play with friends or get rings why tf not if the old dude in a suit can trade you whenever.
Lebron really set the foundation. Magic, Bird, Kobe, Mike. The previous “faces” of the league stayed loyal. Lebron (rightfully so) left the terrible Cavs and their front office in the dust and went to Miami.
I’ve always thought team loyalty was ideal & was such a great thing not only that but so respectable.
It’s the most pressure ever on these players to wing rings also , nobody wants to get clowned like Charles Barkley. & these organizations have proven that they only care about what you can do for them they don’t care about loyalty
Yo just started watching you bra, you have a great point of view... Ima keep watching you.
Same here man.
Literally found this guy a couple hours ago.
I live in Portland. I don’t know if people realize how ingrained Damian is in this community and the close relationship with the Blazer higher ups (Blazer GM Olshey went to his baby’s 1st birthday, for instance) Add to it his loyalty and it’s a 0.000083674 chance he leaves the Blazers.
Russell Westbrook John wall steph curry and Damian Lilliard all staying with their teams I feel like point guards are the most loyal positions these days
John wall isn't being moved for contract reasons no one wants that financial burden
2 years later, team loyalty has gained another person which is Giannis. Hell for sure stay with the Bucks forever because he won a championship with them and 2 mvps
Russ tried to stay with OKC.
It says a lot about the world today that business is astronomically more important than loyalty.
Ethics is dead like chivalry.
Haight the Great no he didnt he wanted a trade
Two factors the money issues is not relevant: 1) TV Contracts (shared revenue) have inflated team net worth by over 100%. 2) If you compare 1980 USD versus 2017 is disproportional = $100 in 1980 → $297.48 in 2017.
NBA is a business. The players are treating it like a business. The owners have been treating it like a business. There’s nothing wrong with it. Look what loyalty did to IT. The players are being smart with the limited years they have
Great video SWISHOUT
Duncan and Kobe both requested trades. Dirk took pay cuts to stay with the mavs
This is why I have given up on the NBA, used to love, never miss a prime time game, then players started leaving teams and joining up, especially stars, so who cares about the Nba
That's why the smarter ones have a trade clause in their contract. Also the media and fans contributed to this mess by all ways saying if you don't have a ring than your a bum.
I believe the reason is that players are starting to think that they are bigger than franchises. They are the one selling tickets, Winning game and doing everything else.
Just faxxxxx, man. Great video 🙏
DeMar DeRozan was the last player to show true loyalty to a team
Spot on these players knows it's a business and owners will use them up and spit them out
7:54 thought that old man was going to take the shot
Karl Anthony Towns is gonna be a Timberwolf his career. Donavan Mitchell too. They can be a deadly force with the seasons coming on their individual teams
I dont think people were upset at Durant just because he left OKC, I think its the fact that he left Westbrook hanging after he had made comments on wanting to stay, he also left to join a team that had already won a championship without him. Kawhi left a team that he was traded to with really no links, he gave them what they wanted and so its acceptable to leave to another team that hasnt shown much success. Unlike KD, Kawhi delivered when giving his franchise a chip.
What i know is this. Regular players seek for the best deal. But only the GREAT players are of such a talent that they are able to dictate what team they stay on and build a legacy and Glory. To be a legend. To take a franchise that is so low and with your so great a talent Build it up and bring it up to such heights and bring it Glory. Thats why i always respected Reggie Miller. Even though he never won a ring. Only the Absolute Greatest players have this ability. The rest are just players.
Fire ass video bro. Speaking hella facts!
Count Udonis Haslem and Nick Collison true OG loyal playahs
I just wish the league was more spread out... have two stars on teams so the league will be competitive and fun. I think now it’s predictable you know who going to be in the finals because the best players are all on the same team. No excitement and nobody wants to beat there rival they want to join them. Yeah part of me is stuck in the 90’s but MJ Pat Ewing, Shaq etc. wanted to beat each other. And only play together in all star games and olympics
No such thing as loyalty in business
Super stars would rather team up than compete against each other. Simple as that.
Jacob Goodman maybe if the fans and media didn't put so much WEIGHT on rings they wouldn't have to
Phillip B That’s because lebron said himself he is better than Jordan, who as I’m sure you know, went 6-0 in the finals with ONE team, and without 2 other all stars. Of course the media’s gonna compare them, and you can’t have this debate without talking about 6-0
sometimes being disloyal is negative danny ainge is so disloyal that it cost the celtics anthony davis because anthony davis's family didnt like how danny ainge treated isaiah thomas after he gave his heart and soul and tooth to the celtics
Free agency is easier than before that’s the main reason. Also I think if a star wins championships in one city from jump there will be no reason to leave.
Magic would have warned 42500000 adjusted for inflation!
Inflation and the player union is also why players get paid so much nowadays in general. plus it's some of the most selling entertainment world wide (no offense, that's why they get paid more than WNBA, because all the T.V. contracts, Endorsement deals, and the money that actually comes in from those contracts, and the crowds each NBA team can draw in on average A NIGHT and all the concessions, merchandise, and things bought AT the game afterwards, plus now that teams have actual sponsors on their Jerseys like Nascar, that probably helps money wise too, even though I know the WNBA has sponsors as well.) People overall just have to take into account, yeah, this is basketball, a sport all of us love (or wouldn't watch this video hahaha). But now, if you couldn't tell with how on the 'post-season' ALL of us are on it now this year, with the draft and free agency, this is an entertainment business as much as anything else at this point now, and it's THRIVING, because it kinda seems like a T.V. reality show, but it's REAL, and it has a future for all of us as NBA fans. And that equals ratings, which equals money. I know it's nonsense rambling at this point. I'm just saying, if you ad the fact of the league being as much an entertainment industry as it is a league now, and inflation of money in general, plus the player union, it's a perfect storm for an NBA player right now to get PAID no matter the rules put in place. That's why they can go where they please.
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just like any job or career, if you're not happy anymore..just leave..there are brighter opportunities out there :)
We’ve seen it before, loyalty isn’t worth all the hard work in todays NBA, just look at Demar DeRozan and Isaiah Thomas for example, both were franchise players and were loyal to their team yet both got traded away.
Loyalty in general really don’t mean nun these days😔
When he said JJ Redick stock is always going to be high cuz he can shoot better 95% of the NBA he deserves an award
Don’t forget inflation, Magic’s career earnings is more in the 40 million range when a adjusted with inflation. Still had some great points made other than that.
owners used to be loyal like the 80's celtics they couldve traded bird and mchale and been really good in the 90's but auerbach didnt because he was loyal to his players and for that he kept two hall of famers for the entirety of their careers
Dame said himself he is going to get a ring with the blazers, no one else
Sometimes the front office will betray the player not the other way around.
Blake Griffin actually has said that he likes and prefers Detroit over LA because it suits his personality better
With players nowadays getting too friendly, this fefat is really hard to do..
Keep in mind every thing was alot cheaper when magic was in the leauge so that 20 mill then is prolly like 40 mill now
I dropped a sub after he said d-low was his favorite player he cold asf 🥶
Magic only made 23 mil in his career but you forgot to calculate inflation, so compared to those days that’s an incredible amount just like steph curry is making in today’s age. In maybe another 50 years 200 mil will look like a yearly salary vs total earned in a career
Damn... that was a really good video
You gotta understand that the way money is now isn’t close to the way it was before that’s why players are getting money like that
Kobe threatened not to play cause he got drafted by Charlotte and basically forced them to trade him. And he threatened to leave LA if they didn't bring in bigger stars to help him win his 4th and 5th ring after he basically made them choose between trading him or Shaq. Kobe definitely had the drama queen element to his loyalty.
One complaint about this video, is that you didn’t adjust for inflation when comparing Magic and other players. That being said though the comparison is still crazy
when i saw what they did to my boy harrisson barnes trading him mid game during the dallas game and then announcing it for everyone to see and hear... fuck all these team asking for loyal players...
These players get no real loyalty from the franchise/owners. They gotta get that money!
You forgot to account for inflation when mentioning the money factor in the case for loyalty
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