Primitive DEADFALL TRAP triggers you NEED TO KNOW!
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- This week the boys and I are in the woods throwing down a little bushcraft knowledge and building two primitive deadfall trap triggers that you should definitely know. Primitive trapping is a skill every survivalist and bushcrafter needs to know. It's a great passive food gathering strategy which allows you to focus your attention elsewhere while the traps are out working for you. First is the Siberian deadfall trigger used by Sabal trappers, also known as the Koolyomka. I was first introduced to this deadfall trigger when I saw the documentary, Happy People - a year in the Taiga. It's easy to make, works great and will fit well into tight spots where a figure for or Paiute deadfall would be to awkward. The second is the old standby, the figure 4 deadfall trigger. I've used this trap trigger on deadfalls ranging from very small targeting mice to larger ones made to target raccoons and fox. The two traps shown here can be employed on a variety of deadfalls to catch rabbits, squirrels, fox, and other small to mid sized animals. Matt used the figure 4 design on Alone Season 8 to trap mice in his primitive shelter.
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Haha. Such a dad thing to have to tell the kids to get your foot of the stump where I'm actively cutting.
Right! Literally every father watching this felt that moment viscerally.
I'm not a dad but still I'm dripping sweat all over 😅
😂 No doubt, been there done that too many times to count. Kids just dont have a knowledge of danger.
I have a daughter that passes out if she sees her own blood and loses all functions... so I make sure she's super careful fishing and with knives, but it happens from time to time.
Love the trapping videos. We are really enjoying this season of Alone and my whole family is rooting for you. My kids loved the scene with the mountain lion.
Thanks Shawn!
Never watched Alone until you were selected. Here is hoping you win. I'm proud of you for being a good father and preparing your boys for life. Thanks for sharing with us. This seventy-one year old has learned much about self bows and traditional archery from you. Best wishes!
I appreciate that
I’m so mad m they showed you shooting at the deer but when it came back on after commercial, we get five minutes of Michelle talking about quitting!! Now I’ve got to wait a week to see lol.
I waited all week for that moment. And all they showed was the same footage we already saw from the previous weeks preview.
Does make me believe he gets it though. Getting big game is the highlight of the previous seasons and the show needs to play on it for appeal.
Ya got to love raising younge men none of us learn till we get cut or hurt lol he came close a few time God bless ya brother
Autonomy is a valuable thing!
Yes it is
I love how the shot cuts and when it comes back his feet are nowhere near the stump 😆
I am inspired to be more patient with my children. The character lesson was just as important as the trap.
Thanks much
Others should not be your inspiration, your kids very existence should be enough.
Love seeing you out there with your boys passing on this information. That's one of my favorite things taking my kids out hunting, fishing, trapping and so on.
Thank you so much for sharing your life , Family and skills , I really need to watch all your videos . This one I need to practice making so I will be watching a lot .
Your truly blessed to have those boys.
I am!
Great Info as usual! Thank You I’ll look forward to the pole snare video!
I almost feel like this video needs to be an advertisement for the Leatherman P4 Free. Great video, I really enjoy the content.
Fin’s expressions are hilarious 😂
I like that first design! Ive seen others like it but the trigger was different. Thank you!
Nice to know I'm not the only one who enjoyed Happy People! My wife bought it for me for Christmas a few years ago and I love it. Love your videos and so glad you're on Alone this season!
Thanks Levi
I love how you mentioned on one of the episodes of Alone that you wish the boys could experience it with you because they would love it.
Now you're running it all back with them.
I thought a lot about that when out there.
Huge fan of your channel Clay, been pulling for you on alone! And really enjoyed your episodes on the Vortex nation podcast
Thanks Michael
Youre a master sir clay. God bless you
Spending time with your kids, doing small things like this is what makes life so amazing. From something so small like making traps with your children, you all will forever have the memories of such good moments.
Thanks Mark
Thanks for sharing your family moments with us. God bless you all !
Thanks
Great video
Good knowledge to have👍👊 Thanks for sharing Clay
You bet
Outstanding teaching your boys . I went astray in their younger days didn't spend time with them as you are , guts me daily
Thanks, I have to remind myself constantly that they won’t be young and malleable forever.
Father and boys! Great! Good luck!
Thanks
Love it!!!!
Good to see how you are raising your boys Clay, really rooting for you on alone also buddy!
Thanks much
Love the siberian trap trigger (much more than figure 4). Also like the documentary Happy People. That one, along with the Canadian documentary about the traditional life of the northern Cree (I forget the title). Both are great resources.
That happy people was a great documentary! Great video loved the content 👊
Thanks
Very interesting! Thank you!
You’re welcome 😉
Happy People is a favorite of mine ,,,, great minds think alike !!
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I can definitely say, watching this video, its a sincerely amazing sales pitch for THAT Leatherman multitool.
I love my Gerber Flik. For accessing the pliers with one hand it's amazing.
Watching you with this version of a Leatherman, accessing saw and blade almost effortlessly.
I am impressed.
It does everything well, that I've always disliked the older Leatherman for.
They felt inaccessible and unreliable.
So, my toolbag is going to gain a Leatherman beside the Gerber.
I am 70 years old my Grandfather taught me that figure 4 trigger shape when I was 6 to 7 years old. We used a wood box , trap them live.
Finally finished alone season 8. Had to wait till it was out on Netflix. Haven’t been able to watch most of your videos because I didn’t want to ruin it for my self.
-prim-, root.
"prim" comes from Latin, where it has the meaning "first.'' This meaning is found in such words as: primacy, primal, primary, primate, prime, primeval, primitive, primordial, prince, principal, principle, unprincipled.
Primitive. We hear this word and it conjures up subconscious thoughts of people or ways that aren't "advanced". I like to remind myself of the root of the word, and instead I like to say; "primary people", or "primary skills". It helps I think relinquish some of this built in su"prim"acy (I know there's an E) our civilization has. If our species is lucky, we'll all be living primary lives once again. Morning musings... Nice work there Clay
I like those musings! Keep’em coming!
Nice job! I never used the Siberian trap when I was a kid. Happy people introduced it to me and now I use both, still partial to the figure 4.
Thanks
Nice! I like to think of the figure 4, Siberian, and promontory peg as variations of the same trap just different positioning of the lever and fulcrum.
Thanks for sharing that. Looking forward to see you continue to put on a clinic for tonight's episode of Alone.
It should be a good one!
There were a few times in this vid where I thought it was going to turn into a wilderness first aid how to.
The Pauite Deadfall is one of the most lethal variations of trap that I have ever used. As of today, I have trapped multiple of an Opossum, Crow, Skunk, Raccoon, Squirrel, and Field Mouse using that type of trap. A little bait goes a long way. Set a trap line or two of 12 traps a piece and you a guaranteed a catch. Masking scent is important. In New Hampshire, I used cedar and rubbed it in my hands and knees before setting a trap. A dab of peanut butter works but I have used fish entrails to catch opossums.
Thanks
Clay, I saw Happy People a couple years back. Amazing documentary.
Yes it is!
@@clayhayeshunter you've prob seen Herzog's Grizzly Man. Have you by any chance seen his other film called Cave of Forgotten Dreams? It's about a prehistoric cave in southern france where some of the oldest cave paintings in the world were found. Powerful stuff. Our ancestors hunting bison, stags. There are even depictions of european lions!
Super cool 😎👍🇺🇸
Cool video. Great to watch your kids. I hadn't seen the siberian trap yet so we'll have to make one.
It’s a good one. You’ll dig it!
I can see the advantage of the first trigger. The figure 4 sticks out so far.....there is a good chance of lunch bumping outside of the deadfall. Good video Clay 👍
Thanks much
Hey clay great seires .especially with the kids .passing it on kudos happy ppl what a great documentry love watching it and how long these guy go for
Thanks Tom
Theres a 3rd version called a Paiute Deafall that's similar to the figure 4 but uses cordage and a toggle instead of a bait stick with a notch.
It's worth learning as well
Always wondered how people made these with simple tools & materials. Now I have a new activity on my 'to do' list.
It's great fun to practice.
Forgot to adde! If you want a wide drop platform then just tie 2 sticks together and then put cross pieces tight together and then set your trigger and stack other sticks or logs on top for added crushing weight. Your not always going to find a ready made drop that is wide enough but you can always find the materials to make one.
Great tip
That older boy is ready to start carving his own.
Hello again, Clay and family. This video is a year or so old so someone might have mentioned this already. But you can greatly increase the effectiveness of the old figure four by changing where the bait stick latches to the support stick. Simply change it to where the notch catches on the top of the bait stick notch instead of the side. You can thin down where it catches and all the animal has to do is pull downward with gravity and natural movement helping. I'm with you on the first one being better simply because curious animals will climb on a trigger just messing around investigating the bait before going in. That first trigger is a modified promitory peg because of the bait stick. My best and simplest trigger I have come up with is using one stick and a rock as a tool to make them. Choose a straight stick with a small limb off the side for the trigger. Saw a cut in on each side and then split them to create the promitory peg. You simply balance the two to hold the weight, with the bait stick cut to line up with the peg so that it puts the bait under the weight. Put the trigger in under the weight upside down and the bait stick will run down from the top so it is out of their way until they get back to the bait. That makes the bait sick a long lever that can easily buckle the peg if pulled even the slightest. It also kicks the pieces out from under when it falls but they don't really go anywhere. You can experiment with where you want your trigger stick but the collapse of the peg is flawless no matter what. Other traps require friction at the trigger parts to hold the weight, but the peg is just balanced waiting to be nudged to buckle past its teeter spot. This also means it is very scalable and can be integrated with cordage for all kinds of uses. I believe the original promitory used a piece of baited cordage from the back of the weight out to the peg that had a shape point in the middle to hook a loop over. Seems too complex, needs cordage, collapses under the trap etc With the bait stick as a long thin lever (growing out of stick holding weight) Any pressure and it will collapse so you can set it as touchy as you want. I have spent half a century fascinated by primitive trapping ingenuity and this one stick "lever peg" I guess I would call it is the best I could come up with so far. I hope people can understand it as I have explained it lol. All the best as always, you boys stay safe out there. Mike.
Great tips
I really like the Paiute Deadfall. Easy to set and cordage needed can be made from plant fibers if needed.
We’ll cover that one on another vid
There's a trigger that works the same as a piute deadfall trigger but uses a Y branch and branch that fits into the Y and sits snugly in it because that branch has opposite leaves nubs. No need for axe, knife, just break it off and set it.
Just glad the young fellow didn’t get cut. He is lucky he still has all his toes! Lol
I knew of the figure 4, but the other was new to me. Thanks for sharing.
The kids are great. Move your foot please, Finn. 😂
P. S.
Siberian trap trigger works great for traps like the Mojave scissor trap too. Cut both pegs to a slight wedge shape. drive one peg into the ground. The trigger portion binds on the wedge.
Kid's attention span 😂 lol 😆. I like the Siberian trigger. Another fellow man is the Rogue Trapper on utube a great trap maker.
I really enjoy your channel and content. I am having fun seeing you on alone. I learned how to make and use the figure four deadfall when I was a kid. But I really only use the Piaute deadfall trigger these days. Its a faster trigger, more stable in bad weather, and at the same time can be very easily set off by smaller animals. Its my go to for mice up to rabbits. The figure 4 is the king when you go for bigger game. I have read they use to use it for bear. Looking forward to more of your content
Cool, thanks!
I’ll have to disagree on that one the Paiute has more components making the release slightly slower, the figure 4 or Siberian can easily be tweaked for sensitivity depending on the placement of the lever on the fulcrum, and if well built will stand up just as well in the weather. The one advantage that I can think of with the Paiute is that it can be easily constructed without a cutting tool, substituting cordage for notches.
Another great Video 👍👍.
Looks to me like, the figure 4 trap takes too many hands (2 people) to set.
I have a Leatherman, not the P4, I carry all the time.
How did u keep the blade sharp in Alone, with a river rock, ect.,?
That Stainless Steel is tough to sharpen even with a Wet Stone!
your kids remind me of my daughter, i do not know how you left them for so long, I know if i was out alone like you were, it would be a challenge after just a week not to want to come home to my little girl. Cause the best part of my days are going to get her from school after work, and talking to her on the way home. then just having fun before bed time. its hard to be away when i am working home each day trucking job..all the time i miss out on already.
Gratitude. And I phucking love barefoot axecraft. Go hard or go home. Good luck when shtf lads, y'all will do well. Be safe. Xx
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The amount of confidence your boy must have in your skills to leave his foot on the cutting stump...lol
haha
I've always seen these used but had never known how to do it properly. I knew the basics and I'm sure I could have figured it out. But you made it so I dobt have to. I use an L7 snare mostly. Could you do it next.
Clay have you watched the video where Zachary Fowler modified the figure four into a Drop Away style trigger? It is amazing the sensitivity is unreal!
Saw you in a Hobie Oasis in another episode, traversing to get to a hunting ground. Great yak for hauling extra gear!-ive owned one. I think viewers would love to see your methods of finding good hunting grounds and what you take with you. The planning that goes with it.
Great idea! I'll cover some of that this winter when we get back down south.
Two Stick trigger works well easyto make and set. Cheers
Good video...thanks. Just finished watching the last episode of Alone...I KNOW that you got that deer. :) It will be a game changer for sure. I spent time talking to you the year you were at OJam...JD and Ralph are both old friends of mine. You have done a lot to promote selfbows and trad archery..thanks! ~Bob
Thanks Bob
@@clayhayeshunter congrats Clay... I knew you wouldn't let that arrow fly unless it was a sure deal. wow. I shoot every day and hunt almost 5 months a year, but I'm not sure I could have kept it together for a shot that important! Hope you won...but you did great either way!
I want to learn how to build a snare too! Good choice 👍
Stay tuned!
The way I see it they are both figure four geometry. The Siberian version just has an acute angle between the post and lever which results in a compact trigger “sear” area. The angles between the components and amount of engagement can be made to tune the trap for the desired sensitivity.
Yeah, they're both using similar principals.
Another great video
Hey did you get that deer at the end of that last episode of Alone
🤷♂️just have to wait!
@@clayhayeshunter You know you are no Fun... LOL Besides I don't think Clay would of missed a dear... Now I did see like blurp in a preview looks like someone got a deer...
I just have to say Clay, as a parent, I’m in total agreement about autonomy. All people (especially children) need to feel that they have some amount of control over their own lives. Gentle nudging and guidance is fine, but ultimately, good role modelling, empathy and understanding is my preferred route. It looks like it’s yours too? As the wife says “free range kids are happier and more rounded than caged kids”
Anyway, thanks for the informative video on traps! I’m pretty sure that was the actual reason for the upload, rather than a discussion about child rearing techniques!? 😂🤣👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks Jim
Finn might be more into the pig hunting than the trapping, I really enjoyed this one and look forward to the next.
He did look a little destracted😂
God gave you patience! I was not blessed with children until I was 36. They are all adults now and making their parents proud!God, as always knew what He was doing! In my you younger years I most certainly lacked the patience needed to raise children.
God bless you and yours!
Thanks much
You should do a video on the fish net you made on alone
It’s coming
1:04 that kid really tryna get his toes chopped off 🪓 and his fingers 1:08
I never can find a handy stump like that when I'm out inthe deep woods .
On the Vortex Nation podcast you talked about making a self bow yourself and learning from failures, would you recommend hickory or hard maple as a better entry level wood 🪵 cheers from Canada 🇨🇦
Hickory is hard to beat but maple will work fine if that’s what you have.
@@clayhayeshunter thanks brother
What baits are the best to scavenge to put in the dead fall traps?
Definitely something to dig in & research. My best guess is what we have in our particular area as far as bait & of course we we are hunting. Oak acorns galore in serria foothills , possibly guts from one critter to catch another ?
When I was younger I knew a guy with every addition of a survival series called Foxfire? Or. Firefox? Which ever one isn't the web browser. Has anyone heard of this? These traps were covered as well as many more. I highly recommend finding those books if bushcraft is your thing
Foxfire. Great series
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I like that wood splitting trick?
It’s a good one!
At 5:49 you demonstrate the trap but its upside down. It doesn't work as well this way.
When you press the bait down, the notch slides up the top stick and could just shift a bit instead of coming loose. Scarring off the animal.
Also, that top stick isn't tapered and can form an obstruction for the trap to close completely.
If placed the other way around, the notched trigger stick will slide off the (now) bottom stick completely. The taper on the sticks gives them less chance to form an obstruction.
So last night's episode just showed the draw of one of the most important shots of your life. Typically, on most seasons you could say that the fat lady is warming up her vocals right about here. The interesting thing about this season is that it seems that you may have now acquired a couple hundred lbs of grizzly bait. Nice fishing rod, btw. One question: are you limited to 1 deer out there?
The regs limit everyone to one deer.
Did you use any deadfall traps successfully on the show?
So which one is better?
Each is useful in different situations.
Is there a schematic?
Patient Daddy.!
Me thinks Clay Hayes is a great Dad.
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Leatherman was there since the beginning of time..
I'd like to see how to make the first trap not the figure 4. Hard to decipher how it all holds together and notch directions
Never put the standing stick under the load!
Where are you filming this? I
Our place in Idaho
Have you ever caught a rabbit or something that size in a deadfall trap
Pardon me asking this "stupid" question but why use deadfall traps anyway? I know it's survival and all but i would be really uncomfortable eating some animals meat that has been laying around dead for maybe 10 hours + with the decomposition process already going on. I mean how often are you going to check on your traps, twice a day?
What if the prey trips the trap barely 2 hours after you checked it the last time?
Is there any way to get "notified" when your deadfall trap has been triggered?
I prefer snare traps that only catch and don't kill the prey. That way I could check them and if id catch anything i could kill the animal and process the meat immediately.
I mean i haven't tried it, my countrys hunting laws prohibit that but in theory it's waaay more appealing to me. I mean you can't make metal snares inna woods but im more of a prepper anyway.
I would check the traps more often in warm weather. And small animals cool much quicker. Meat spoilage isn’t normally an issue.
@@clayhayeshunter ok thanks for the quick reply 🙂✌️
I want to learn how to build a hog or bear trap that isn't a hole. Lol
man feel bad for them tho i get the point of teaching,, hope it doesnt last too long and that you persevere
it gets addictive at a certain point but its pissing off at first dam
If i had to be told more than once to move my feet that stick wouldn't be used for a trap any more...
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I really like this channel , if you are smart enough you might even learn how to be a good Dad while learning some other cool stuff. Thanks
Thanks Rick
Hate to be a kill joy great video but your figure 4 has to much of an angle in it to be sensitive
Kids are thinking, " hurry up, I want to go play Fortnite"
My kids don't know what Fortnite is!!
Haha, never seen your kid s beeing so bored before :)
The children should wear eye Google's and gloves and to close to your building the traps