SSPX and Bitter Fruit: Look Who's Talking!

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  • by Rev. Anthony Cekada. www.SGGResources.org An examination of the Society of St. Pius X's charge that sedevacantism produces "bitter fruit."

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  • @giseleademers
    @giseleademers 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    January 11..... four months now that Father Cekada has left us for the other world.... RIP Father.... We miss you.

    • @KristiLEvans1
      @KristiLEvans1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Amen! Ain’t that the truth.

    • @mtaylor3771
      @mtaylor3771 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Pray for him that he may be released from purgatory!

    • @giseleademers
      @giseleademers ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mtaylor3771 If he is in purgatory...God only knows! RIP Father Cekada...thank you for everything you have done for the defense of the holy mass and the Catholic teachings..

    • @mtaylor3771
      @mtaylor3771 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@giseleademers we don’t know if he is in purgatory, therefore we must assume he is and pray for his release…. If he is already in heaven, then our Lord will apply our prayers to some other souls who are in need of prayers.

  • @timotheospetros
    @timotheospetros 8 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Great riposte.
    And special thanks to Messrs Salza and Siscoe for letting us know there's nothing diabolical about the 'infighting' and 'division' they have with their 'Pope'! :)

  • @cindysnipes6777
    @cindysnipes6777 8 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Thank You Father Cekada.
    Your videos are always filled with great information & resources. I respect your vast knowledge in this subject & others also.
    I never fail to learn great truths & insights into our Catholic Faith from your work. God Bless.

  • @DT-cz2sl
    @DT-cz2sl ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I wish they wouldn't call it the SSPX. I wish they would call it the John the 23rd society because that's really what it is. They use his mass.

  • @dariogagliano4218
    @dariogagliano4218 8 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    It's quite sad to see SSPX and sedevacantists fighting each other when both are clearly motivated by their love for the Catholic Church. The SSPX is itself treated with great disdain by the ecclesiastical hierarchy, I don't understand why they would attack sedevacantists so much. I consider myself closer to the SSPX position, but sedevacantists just love the Catholic Church and want to restore it to its full greatness.

    • @comicsans1689
      @comicsans1689 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The SSPX hate Sedes because all of the NOrdites think the SSPX are all Sedes. The SSPX are effectively Sedes, but with the added bonus of paying lip service to the current antipope in Rome.

    • @ingridlinbohm7682
      @ingridlinbohm7682 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes I once sent my children to the local new order Catholic parish school with the understanding that our children would not go to the new mass. This they allowed. We had a new Head of school who was amazed to see a line of children leaving the school because of the new mass happening at that time. I was called into the Heads office to explain the agreement with the school. I explained that we were SSPX. The Head asked if we believed that Benedict XVl was the Pope. I said yes it's just that we mostly ignored him! Later two of our children were sent to the SSPX school, one was home schooled and one is in a special needs school. The local parish school kept their word I am glad to say although it was better than most Catholic schools. I am not sedevacantist myself because I feel it provides no solution for correcting the disasters but I can see why people are. It is a pity that Bishop Fellay has not really prudent in handling the situation. Hopefully he getting wiser. Still I could gain by being wiser too.

    • @comicsans1689
      @comicsans1689 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ingridlinbohm7682 How can you claim that Benedict XVI was Pope, but then mostly ignore him? That goes against Catholic teachings. Sedevacantism does not inherently propose a solution to the crisis, but it's the only theologically consistent position to hold. If we hold fast, pray, and have faith, God will deliver us. Perhaps it is not within our lifetimes, but the church will eventually exit its eclipse and either we receive a new, valid pope, or Christ returns.

  • @frankpontone2139
    @frankpontone2139 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I'm not even a sedevacantist but kudos, once again, to Rev. Cekada for making a very informative video exposing the constant instability of the SSPX.

  • @crizreuter
    @crizreuter 8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    YOU DECIDE:
    Option #1 ~ Pope Paul IV, Aquinas, Liguori, Bellarmine, de Sales, The Catholic Encyclopedia, Canon Law (188.4) & others.
    Option #2 ~ Torquemada(?), Cajetan, Suarez.
    If you chose option #1, welcome to sedevacantism! Proceed here ----->⛪️
    If you chose option #2, don't do anything uncomfortable. Stay here ----->🕋
    Or go here if it's closer ----->🕍

  • @arbiterveritatis1063
    @arbiterveritatis1063 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Since the 80's, SSPX has wasted the perfect opportunity to gather disaffected trads from the cesspool of the conciliar church. The endless dialogue with Rome, the dashed hopes, the veering from a barely concealed sedevacantist, to the "accommodationist" position. They played right into the hands of the divide and destroy strategy of the clever sticks in the Vatican hierarchy. It is exhausting to try to reconcile the slow deconstruction of Church teaching and practice over the past 50 some years, with an increasingly uncompromising, hysterical contention that JPII and Francis are true Popes. And so we find ourselves today with a "pope" who clearly and incontrovertibly has repudiated Roman Catholicism, despises it. But those who have been brought down in little steps, continue to argue that he is a true pope. The "spin" goes on and on.

  • @ThiagoSantosdeMoraes
    @ThiagoSantosdeMoraes 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Father, where can we read these lists of SSPX disputes? In your blog?

  • @Makeitliquidfast
    @Makeitliquidfast 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It seems nothing has been resolved and the division only grows, my dear Lord help us please. Amen

  • @timothymacdonnell9079
    @timothymacdonnell9079 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the education. I’m fairly new to this, but the infighting seems silly. It’s like there was never a united front against the Vatican.

  • @lupus_croatiae
    @lupus_croatiae ปีที่แล้ว +3

    six years later Salza bashes SSPX hahaha

  • @ponir.v7584
    @ponir.v7584 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Conflict is intrinsic of humanity, specially humans concerned about truth and beliefs.

  • @ajfreitas946
    @ajfreitas946 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Excellent contents.

  • @martinmoller5591
    @martinmoller5591 8 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Thank you so much, father!!!

  • @chopineuler5854
    @chopineuler5854 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fr. Cekada. Im interested in the missal you use. It seems to me that Its not the 1962. If so, where can i get it. Thanks for the info on this video, it gives a historical perspective that is crucially needed.

    • @WorkofHumanHands
      @WorkofHumanHands  8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      +Chopin euler We use the pre-1955 version. The people's missals we recommend are the St. Andrew's and the Father Lascance, available from Bonaventure Publications.

    • @psychedelicpython
      @psychedelicpython 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      eBay usually has several old Catholic Missals that are 1955 and prior. I’ve gotten a couple that are in really condition for not a lot of money from eBay.

  • @edwinkubena9944
    @edwinkubena9944 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It was sede vacante when Bergoglio consented prior to gov requests to close churches thus ceding authority to the gov

  • @vampiro664
    @vampiro664 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great video father.

  • @patc1309
    @patc1309 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Anyone know the name of the song? I love it!

    • @petegalvs
      @petegalvs 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Teddy Bear's Picnic

    • @patc1309
      @patc1309 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@petegalvs Thank you!

  • @Khamug
    @Khamug 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    You being a former SSPX priest divide Catholics into sedevacantists and non-sedevacantists, and compare the conflict with the infighting of traditionalists. But if someone accepts Francis as a Pope, he is not Catholic.

    • @AJ-ox8xy
      @AJ-ox8xy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I have transitioned from Novus Ordo to traditional R&R to Sedevacantist because of the division in the Church between those that attempt to rationalize Heresy and Heretics. If you proclaim Francis is not a Pope, but Benedict or even JohnPII was an authentic Pope, then you are illogical and or ignorant as to the progression from the Traditional Catholic faith and the New Order we have today.
      Those who accept Vatican 2 and the Popes elected underneath it, can not be authentic if we accept the faith as it was practiced for centuries before Vatican 2. Especially if you understand the infiltration of Modernists into the Church.
      A Pope can not willingly lead the Church astray otherwise they give up their authority and serve the god of this world. Thus if we believe in Christ's Word and understand the Church can not be led astray, that means the only conclusive position an authentic honest faith seeking Catholic can determine is the Holy See has been vacant for decades and Rome/Vatican overtaken by imposters, which is plain to see if you pay attention to the inner workings and dealings of those in the Vatican.
      This was all brought about with Vatican 2 being implemented, the modernists took over the hierarchy and have controlled the Church as a means for Globalists across the world to piggy back off of and lower the morality along with increase the division among Christians and Catholics.
      Thus every Pope after Pius the 12th must have been elected by those Globalists through the Modernists sects with the goal of every new Pope lowering the morality and further reducing the authority and reputation of the Church with scandal and watered down teaching, that increased confusion among the laity.

  • @2c3n1
    @2c3n1 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Great video! Keep em coming. There's a lot more lies, hypocrisy, and just plain garbage found in Salza/Siscoe's new book.

    • @lyn1136
      @lyn1136 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +2c3n1 Read "Work of Human Hands" by Fr. Cekada, and you will get the complete rest of the garbage of the Conciliarist plot, which began in the last days of the 18th Century warned by the Voice-Vision to Pope Leo XIII.

  • @BujangMelaka90
    @BujangMelaka90 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Francis is no Catholic

  • @user-lg4zi2sx7i
    @user-lg4zi2sx7i 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The music is hilarious lol

  • @berrycatholicboys225
    @berrycatholicboys225 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would still like to hear how and when you turned to sedevacantism. I had asked it before. I think it would be good to hear

    • @WorkofHumanHands
      @WorkofHumanHands  8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +Berry Catholic Boys Hate to do a book plug, but I give the basic outlines in the Preface to Work of Human Hands. Once I figured out that the New Mass was evil (destroyed faith and was sacrilegious), the problem was how to reconcile that with the fact that it came from those who apparently possessed authority in the Church. The subsequent reasoning is found at the beginning of this article: www.traditionalmass.org/images/articles/TradsInfall.pdf

    • @berrycatholicboys225
      @berrycatholicboys225 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Rev. Anthony Cekada
      Thank you for sharing that one. It is ok to do a book plug. I like to read so I will look forward to enjoying it.

    • @psychedelicpython
      @psychedelicpython 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Berry - Father Cekada has a video of an interview that TR Media did that I think you might find interesting. Father Cekada has some other informative books out about the novus ordo mass. I got one not long ago by Father called 'The Problems With The Prayers Of The Modern Mass which I'll read soon (after I finish a different book called Dressing With Dignity).

    • @berrycatholicboys225
      @berrycatholicboys225 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Isabella A Rossellini thank you

    • @lyn1136
      @lyn1136 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Berry Catholic Boys: Title is "Work of Human Hands" 12 You Tube videos, index and 20-page bibliography of priceless references. Second printing.

  • @99tubalcain
    @99tubalcain 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is the piece behind you inspired by the Voynich manuscript?

    • @WorkofHumanHands
      @WorkofHumanHands  8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      +LyovMyshkin I doubt it. It's an antique tapestry my father received as a gift from his employer.

  • @johnhixson7040
    @johnhixson7040 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Brilliant as usual by Father. I've said the same thing before in the face of such criticism but it was just my opinions. This video has facts . Things I had never heard of.The Salza book seems to be a rehash of all the old SSPX canards I've heard over the years like the defense of their own annulments . The SSPX seems to think they are THE Church and Fellay the pope. Lets hope not. I'd rather have no pope then Fellay .

  • @MarkWilliams-gy9bi
    @MarkWilliams-gy9bi 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I think Bishop Williamson's comments and theories are not nutty, they are interesting.

  • @coachchris548
    @coachchris548 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'll stay on the ark. The Holy Roman Catholic Church,the Holy Spirit will guide Holy Mother Church

  • @hoisec2013
    @hoisec2013 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Como gastan polvora en chimangos!

  • @britishsubject8722
    @britishsubject8722 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    What do you feel about the execution of Protestants by Bloody Mary? A triumph of the faith?

    • @ponir.v7584
      @ponir.v7584 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What do you feel about the execution of Catholics by Queen Elizabeth I? A triumph of the faith ruled by the british queen?

  • @LifeIsShort2Eternity
    @LifeIsShort2Eternity 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great and necessary information. Only wish it were delivered with more dignity. We are speaking of The Sacred Faith - regardless of personalities. Spoofing detracts from the importance of the message. Clever, yes, at times, but not inspiring. Fr. Cekada is better than that.

  • @donapril2931
    @donapril2931 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mr. Cekada only succeeded here in demonstrating that the reactionaries of the SSPX were as likely as the reactionaries of the sedevacantist movement to fight amongst themselves. Just as the Protestants fractured and shattered into hundreds of little dissatisfied groups, so too the radical traditionalists have and will continue to rebel at the perceived heterodoxies of other traditionalists.

    • @norbertx9415
      @norbertx9415 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The Novus Ordo provided the grist.

    • @comicsans1689
      @comicsans1689 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      All of this perfectly illustrates the need for a valid Pope. For we are scattered sheep without our shepherd.

    • @donapril2931
      @donapril2931 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@comicsans1689 The Pope is perfectly valid. We may not agree with everything he does, we may not like everything he says, but there is no reasonable basis on which to challenge his validity.

    • @comicsans1689
      @comicsans1689 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@donapril2931 So none of the public acts of heresy and apostasy by the Vatican II antipopes don't bother you?

    • @donapril2931
      @donapril2931 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@comicsans1689 I take exception to many things said and done since the Council, but that does not mean that they were not done under valid papal authority. What you consider apostasy and heresy is not considered that by the Church. So, does the authority rest with you, an individual, or with the whole Church to declare what is and is not apostasy? Martin Luther also felt that the Pope was guilty of heresy. He split the Church, as the Sedevacantists have.

  • @thestraightway3088
    @thestraightway3088 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    High handedness has no place in our Church. If indeed as I suspect the messages to Fr Gobbi from Our Blessed Mother are genuine, she loves JPII so deeply & called him the spark from Poland. This video didn't provide a sense of peace nor unity. Continuous questing for truth should not become mired to a he said she said mentality. Peace.

    • @theparodymaker1801
      @theparodymaker1801 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @The Straight Way Indifference such as your attitude is far worse than the high handedness you mentioned. Indifference ultimately leads to ignorance and weakness in one's faith.

    • @NashRespect
      @NashRespect 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Did you really watch 24 minutes of this video thinking it was about peace and unity, and not about dealing with a particular hypocritical argument against sedevacantism?

  • @theromanbaron
    @theromanbaron 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Except for 600 Priests, hundreds Of Seminarians and at least 2 million Faithful.... don’t forget the Mang chapels throughout the World. What of the silly Sedevecantists Father? As for you? Very cute feudal and small bitter fruit. We have a new superior General now. As you know...

    • @WorkofHumanHands
      @WorkofHumanHands  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Right-o! And SSPX probably ordained three times that number of priests, but where oh where did they go? Bounced from the outfit for not following the party line du jour or defected to the Novus Ordo. Not exactly a great harvest in the Econe orchard, eh?

    • @theromanbaron
      @theromanbaron 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Rev. Anthony Cekada Father, thanks for you response. You threw me off... I didn’t expect a response.
      Regarding Ordinations, we send them all over the world. For instance, the society is working on St. Michaels priory in Africa. There is massive growth for them in the Philippines. I don’t see why God would Will that to happen, and if sedevecantism was true, allow y’all to have very low Numbers.

    • @theromanbaron
      @theromanbaron 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Rev. Anthony Cekada Plus, i do know that all 16 Priests ordained this year were young men who came from the seminary. So they were Formed by the Society. I do know of Novus ordo priests who flee their diocese for the sspx, but then we have another issue of the validity of
      The New Rite Ordinations.
      1. The new rite isn’t the Roman rite, so if cannot be compared to the Roman rite, this includes using documents regarding the Roman rite.
      2. Since we Both believe the Novus ordo is it’s own rite, we have to see that the Byzantine rite also is its own rite with its own Form for Ordinations... Therefore, how can we say the Novus ordo is invalid if it Kept the Invocation Of the Office Of the priest, and the Holy Ghost?
      Anyways, I appreciate your time to answer me, Father. I sincerely enjoy a lot of your
      Material and I think you’re a wonderful theologian. I am just a common “Spixxie” so, that’s where we can draw the line to disagree.

    • @WorkofHumanHands
      @WorkofHumanHands  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Pentecostalism also enjoys "massive growth," so that's not much of an indicator. But SSPX does have tremendous success formula: saying it "recognizes" the pope, but never getting around to actually being SUBJECT to him. This is the Gallican goose that never fails to lay golden eggs.

    • @gloriam9941
      @gloriam9941 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I would rather be a sedevancantist than an heretic. For the SSPX everything is wrong in the concilar church except the Pope. Nice logic! lol

  • @edwinkubena9944
    @edwinkubena9944 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I can’t follow Bergoglio
    Don’t think he is Christian
    Nor Catholic

  • @Loudes012
    @Loudes012 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    To say the seat of Peter is vacant is to be against the message of Fatima.
    I admire that sedavancantists love the Roman Rite but the truth is there has to be a pope.
    Otherwise we would say Our Lady of Fatima's message is a lie and her prophecies are a lie.
    She said that in the end a pope will consecrate Russia.
    So you Fr.Anthony need to evaluate the truth again.God has not lied in Fatima in spite of the Pope's who have failed in saying the true Mass and obeying Fatima's requests.

    • @WorkofHumanHands
      @WorkofHumanHands  6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks for your comment, Mr. Espin. You might want to view the rest of my videos on the pope question to get the full perspective. God bless you!

    • @margielyons6282
      @margielyons6282 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      A Pope who has been elected in Tradition. When the Catholic Church is again being controlled by those who advocate Truth and Tradition, and who have returned the Tridentine Holy Mass to the Altars, they, of course, will finally fulfill Our Lady's Request for the Consecration of Russia to her Immaculate Heart. 🌲⭐🌲⭐

    • @theparodymaker1801
      @theparodymaker1801 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @James Espin I think it is you who needs to re-evaluate your narrow-minded thinking and see the truth for what it really is. Recognizing the Pope and the legitimacy of the Novus Ordu Mass should be more important because you say there has to be a Pope means I accept the deterioration and breakdown of my morality that was based on the true teachings and dogma of the RCC. It also means that I am continuously committing a mortal sin every time I attend the NO Mass and accept francis' teachings and modernist teachings since everything is opposite the teachings of the True Church. For you maybe this is acceptable but for me, it doesn't. I don't want to lose my self-worth defending heretics and anti-Christ popes.

    • @Loudes012
      @Loudes012 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@theparodymaker1801 The message of Fatima is all about the Pope.Of course the apparitions were meant to call man back to God.The culmination of the apparitions was in 1929 requesting the Vicar of Christ in union with all the Bishops, consecrate Russia.
      To say the Seat of Peter is vacant, once again denys the message of Fatima.
      Sedevacantists continue in error.Why ignore the the Miracle of the Sun.
      Why ignore the vision of Tuy.Why ignore the Third Secret.
      I really hope Sedevacantists see the light!

    • @jimmyhun91
      @jimmyhun91 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Loudes012 Father Cekada has addressed Fatima in one of his articles. You should read around the issue more.

  • @kbeautician
    @kbeautician ปีที่แล้ว

    Lol

  • @deshawnwashington3446
    @deshawnwashington3446 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lay migrant workers, haha!

  • @lucasehrnreiter2141
    @lucasehrnreiter2141 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    does no one know the Catholic faith. it's heresy deny the Pope wake up.

    • @amascia8327
      @amascia8327 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Lucas Ehrnreiter... Dear brother: Jorge Mario Bergoglio is a heretic! Have you not noticed? The "pope" is not Catholic, eh! He has long ago left the Catholic Church. Pray for him.

  • @lucasehrnreiter2141
    @lucasehrnreiter2141 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    father you do not realize that you wouldn't be a priest if you didn't have Bishops and your Bishop would have to come from the Pope so you're not a priest technically If you deny the power of the Pope. Where do your bishops come from you should know this from your catechism of your faith. this shows you are in heresy. you made backstab the sspx but we're just trying to hang on to the truth. even though the Pope's might be invalid it is ours not to judge. God has put him in charge of our faith and our church so we will do God's will. you may have good intentions but as a Catholic priest you are leading down people to hell because of false teachings. I respect all of what you do but I just want to help you realize what you are doing. technically denying what God himself said. Peter Upon This Rock I will build my church. he was putting Peter head of his church no matter how bad it gets I just want you to know this father no disrespect intended.

    • @madmoiselle007
      @madmoiselle007 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Lucas Ehrnreiter Vatican 2 sect is not Catholic

    • @madmoiselle007
      @madmoiselle007 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Lucas Ehrnreiter Bergolio is the one leading people to hell with his false teachings and denial of catholic dogma! Get out of that sect cause it’s not Catholic
      You have a communist “Pope”who rejects the notion of hell, believes in ET, embraces sodomites, calls the old testament a myth, protects pedophile priests, claims that all religions hold a pathway to God and heaven etc etc, what other proofs do you need ?
      When will enough be enough ?

    • @alsacemoselle
      @alsacemoselle 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Lucas, you need to study more my friend.

  • @joewhlm
    @joewhlm 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Blah, Blah, Blah...and the SSPV hates you. As for me I will stick to Father Gregory Hess thank you very much.

    • @PapalSoldier
      @PapalSoldier 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      +joewhlm You need to follow what the Church teaches, NOT MAN.

    • @lyn1136
      @lyn1136 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +joewhlm Fr. Hesse had one foot in the door but just couldn't make it to the next step. Everyone at Conference tried with him. It is concluded that his Freemasonic Bishop held the typical threat over him.