As a swede who has done my fair share of babysitting, I can confidently confirm that the MÅLA paints have two purposes: Kids can eat it without dying and it comes off when you inevitably have to put the little ones in the tub and hose them off :D
thank you so much I have wondered for decades every time I go in ikea and see stuff for kids "do swedish people actually buy this for their kids?" now i know the answer
IKEA Måla paint is tempera, not acrylic. It has a completely different binder that is designed to be child-friendly and washable (mostly). The reactivation and lifting is part of the nature of this binder, not a faulty feature.
I kept thinking if only Jay would use an acrylic medium like GW's Contrast or Lahmian, or perhaps Liquitex Matte. Quite the feat to paint with a product that will reactive to the moisture on your finger tips or crack and flake off if roughly handled once dry.
That explains why it was so bad. I only have minimal experience in painting miniatures- as in I've painted one. But I've also repainted Pokemon figurines. It feels very different from painting miniatures, they're larger with more flat surfaces. I had to use my regular acrylic paint, which isn't paint for young children, but isn't fancy stuff; because I needed a palette more colorful than the Star Wars Legion paint set. The main difference was that I couldn't get a small amount of paint out at once and a bit more water was needed. Any problems with my Pokemon figurines are the result of me, not my tools. It would be interesting to see Jay try the same challenge again with the tubes of entry level acrylic paint you can get at general craft supply stores. What's the difference between acrylic and acrylic meant for miniature painting?
I work at Ikea, MALA is the kids line of product so the Paint has got to be safe enough for little children to use and not ruin the whole home lol, so basically you can consider it more as a toy than real paint... That said, i believe the work you did with this miniature is still pretty good considering what you were working with - a "toy Paint" basically! Cheers
I don't think those are even acrylics but some kind of water-based paint that doesn't dry water proof. Try leaving the space marine in a glass of water and see if the water strips the paint.
It's made so that toddlers can get the paint in the mouth without doing harm. It's meant for really small children, kindergarten stuff. Not meant as hobby paint.
not gonna lie, the washed out grimdark look comes across really good, a millennia of service and war, perfectly portrait by having to paint it literally with blood and sweat
My art teacher used to say: A good artist will make a masterpiece with the best material. A great artist will make a masterpiece with any material. Yep. Called it 10:42 But for real, those paints aren't even mediocre, they are quite bad even to make effects and washes. You painted a space marine with literal finger paint, and it turned out presentable. Very enlightening experiment.
I love these types of experiments since it always shows just how good the actual artist is! Horrible paints but still looks fantastic because of pure skill!
You were freaking hilarious showing the broken down Ikea furniture while narrating it as "...clean aesthetics; rugged, durable construction." 😂😂😂 And I appreciate you taking time to try different paints, so I know what not to buy!
Cool video, got some good laughs out of it. I like how you're fair with it and actually go a little further and found out what the product can actually be used for.
I recently stumbled about some awesome wall paints from a local furniture megastore. 250ml for 3 bucks and contrary to typical craft paint they are loaded with pigments to a point that thinning them by a factor of 4 to 5 still doesnt destroy the consistency or coverage. They even work trough an airbrush and mix with other colors without turning into greyish brown sludge. That said i did mix in some of my homebrew magic medium/thinners to adjust consistency and flow regular water probably ruins it just like any other paint if you add too much. For anyone interested it was "Poco Abtönfarbe" from the simmilarly named furniture store Poco but i guess those paints are available in many Hardware stores as well.
I'm glad you acknowledged that not all craft paints are total crap. I use them much much more than I admit ( especially on terrain) and there are a lot of paints out there that are totally serviceable
this cheap paint experiments series is my favorite. I'd love to see how options most people would have locally available to them (such as hobby lobby/Michaels) brands would compare.
we have a store in the UK called The Works that sells cheap acrylic paint I use for terrain. its not great but does the job and costs about the same as a GW pot for a 200ml tube
The reason you had the problem is that it's poster paint, sometimes called tempera. That's designed to be used on paper or board, and to mix even after drying. It's not acrylic paint, more like an opaque version of watercolour paint, similar to gouache.
When it comes to cheap acrylics, a little life hack that's probably won't work that well for minis, but might be worth a shot is adding cornstarch to the paint. It's a trick artists use when painting. Minnie's might be a bit too small for it but it might make for an interesting short
you might try to check out on the wall paint sample testers. they are very cheap, (for example goodhome is 1.5 gbp per 50ml pot ), and there's wide variety of colours and types . I never tried them on minis, but they are quite useful for painting terrain pieces and buildings on the cheap. And since they are supposed to go on house walls they tend to be quite durable.
I started with apple barrel paints and was very hesitant to get citadel because I like what I was getting out of them on my DnD minis, but I put them head to head on a Blood Angel and thats when I noticed the difference in quality of the coverage
Hi there! this is the first EonsofBattle vids I've ever seen and the most shoking for me is the paper coverring the light... are you telling me just with a paper you turn a regular lamp on a really nice fount of painting light?
Have you done any other apple barrel cheap craft paint video? I really do like watching pro painters use really bad\ weird paints to attempt good minis. What about using posca paint markers to paint a mini or straight up testors enamel paints for model cars? Or even Nail polish?
Squidmar already tried this, and apparently this channel called Geek Gaming Scenics. Haven't watched that guy's video. Glad to see someone else try! It's always fun watching these kind of experimental videos!
Would love to see this become a series. Between this and the Apple Barrel video I'm curious as to your thoughts on other non-miniature acrylic paint brands. Stuff like Winsor & Newton, GOLDEN, Artists Loft, Amsterdam, etc. I've got a couple GOLDEN High Flow Acrylic paints, specifically their Fluorescent Blue and Green. They seem to work well but I'm curious about other brands. Maybe just raid a Michaels or something.
I actually use a lot of the apple barrel paints. They are super cheap and apply far better than one would expect. I mostly use it for terrain but the blues and black are good enough for model use.
I think using a matt varnish between paint payers would help build the opacity. it works for me when using blue liquitex ink, as its water activated and just rubs itself off when washing over it.
I'm so used to DankPods blowing out my ear drums whenever he reads something in all caps that I immediately took off my headphones when you read IKEA in all caps
When it comes to cheap paints that (sort of) work. Palmers isn't the worst, their colors are nice enough but a little thick and need some water to thin them down (valejo thinner medium wasn't quite doing it)
@@KairosVI They've been out of the basic brown wood Billy bookcases for several years now. I was looking to replace all the older bookcases I had acquired over the years (from other stores) along with buying a few more so they would all match.
Extra points for saying "paint" with holding up MÅLA. 'tis the direct translation, you see. måla = [to] paint. But paint as in the liquid you paint with, that's not måla, that's målarfärg or just färg (direct translation of that is also "colour"). Swedish & English are closely related but sometimes it gets weird in the details. Most excellent ending. Paper is indeed the intended medium. Trying it on a mini was brave and IMO you did awesome. The end result is all the more impressive for having used paints so decidedly *not* ment for plastic models. The way the paints re-activate and wash away in just a couple of strokes with a wet brush? Possibly the best feature of Måla! Very much a feature, not a bug. It is so, so good when cleaning up after the kids managed to flip their thickly painted paper on to the floor.
Hey EOB; I have a request/question for you. You have shown us that most of the colours are quite sub par but would they work (and produce passable results) on a more simpler paint scheme like the ancient Ultramarines blue&yellow and the similar?
As a swede who has done my fair share of babysitting, I can confidently confirm that the MÅLA paints have two purposes: Kids can eat it without dying and it comes off when you inevitably have to put the little ones in the tub and hose them off :D
🤣🤣🤣
thank you so much
I have wondered for decades every time I go in ikea and see stuff for kids
"do swedish people actually buy this for their kids?"
now i know the answer
IKEA Måla paint is tempera, not acrylic.
It has a completely different binder that is designed to be child-friendly and washable (mostly). The reactivation and lifting is part of the nature of this binder, not a faulty feature.
Ah, that absolutely explains it. It's basically finger paint.
I kept thinking if only Jay would use an acrylic medium like GW's Contrast or Lahmian, or perhaps Liquitex Matte. Quite the feat to paint with a product that will reactive to the moisture on your finger tips or crack and flake off if roughly handled once dry.
"MÅLA-series has everything, what a child needs..." should indeed give a strong hint on what the target audience is for this product. 😄
That explains why it was so bad. I only have minimal experience in painting miniatures- as in I've painted one. But I've also repainted Pokemon figurines. It feels very different from painting miniatures, they're larger with more flat surfaces. I had to use my regular acrylic paint, which isn't paint for young children, but isn't fancy stuff; because I needed a palette more colorful than the Star Wars Legion paint set. The main difference was that I couldn't get a small amount of paint out at once and a bit more water was needed. Any problems with my Pokemon figurines are the result of me, not my tools.
It would be interesting to see Jay try the same challenge again with the tubes of entry level acrylic paint you can get at general craft supply stores. What's the difference between acrylic and acrylic meant for miniature painting?
I think it's actually gouache paint, not tempera but i might be wrong
That feeling when Jay painted a marine better with terrible paints than you did with professional ones
Shut
I feel personally attacked
Did you have fun doing it? Nothing else matters.
"I'm in this comment and I don't like it"
It's a serious kick in the balls
In the dark grim future, there's only meatballs and affordable DIY furniture.
I had this experience 3 years ago. One of the worst painting experiences I've had still to this day. 🤣 You nailed it though
That was the first video of yours I saw. Thought of you when I saw this one.
As a Swedish influencer, you have some sway with IKEA, don't you?
Look at me I made this video first
@@henrikwannheden7114 oh i wish hahaha
I'd love to see you collab with Jay and Nick at somepoint Emil!
The presentation, great editing, and those smooth chair turn transitions, just elevate the video and make it so much more visually appealing
Right? He is so dang funny it doesn't really matter what the subject matter is. I laughed maniacally at the gam gam bit.
You'd almost think that the paints are designed to reactivate, so when your child spills, it's easy to clean up :))
I work at Ikea, MALA is the kids line of product so the Paint has got to be safe enough for little children to use and not ruin the whole home lol, so basically you can consider it more as a toy than real paint... That said, i believe the work you did with this miniature is still pretty good considering what you were working with - a "toy Paint" basically! Cheers
I don't think those are even acrylics but some kind of water-based paint that doesn't dry water proof. Try leaving the space marine in a glass of water and see if the water strips the paint.
These are probably tempera paints. The instructions say they might stain but sometimes can be washed off. This makes sense for children's paint.
Yep look like children's poster paints to me.
@@theheslops439 it's pretty much that
It's made so that toddlers can get the paint in the mouth without doing harm. It's meant for really small children, kindergarten stuff. Not meant as hobby paint.
not gonna lie, the washed out grimdark look comes across really good, a millennia of service and war, perfectly portrait by having to paint it literally with blood and sweat
Yeah. And the storm lord symbol looks like it was painted on by the soldier wearing the armor.
My kids use those paints, and when I saw the title, my first thought was that you were going to struggle with the white 😄
My art teacher used to say: A good artist will make a masterpiece with the best material. A great artist will make a masterpiece with any material.
Yep. Called it 10:42
But for real, those paints aren't even mediocre, they are quite bad even to make effects and washes. You painted a space marine with literal finger paint, and it turned out presentable. Very enlightening experiment.
Man, I love your content! The swooping of all the paints off sold the whole vid already. Great stuff!!!!!
Fun video, this channel has become one of my instant watch when uploads channels. Look forward to more!
200 thin coats. 😁
Nice paintjob, Jay. 👍
I love these types of experiments since it always shows just how good the actual artist is! Horrible paints but still looks fantastic because of pure skill!
"Rugged, durable construction."
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I have to say though, what you came up with is excellent. Dude... you took a toy and turned it into awesome!! Well done!
Just call it grimdark and it's an absolute win
I really appreciate your valiant effort! That model actually looks really good considering.
ok, next Video an IKEA Space Marine Army 1500 Points Blue/Yellow Marines painted with IKEA paints ? 😅😅
that would be hilarious, with tiny little IKEA decals on the shoulders
i think it would be an interesting video painting with the blackest black you can buy and the whitest white to see what kind of designs would be cool
This was a fun one for sure. Always cool to see what other paints do.
That red going down looked like Ninjon painting with his blood 😂
I got a warhammer ad before watching this
I FELT that heavy sigh while you were free-handing lol
Excellent vid!
You were freaking hilarious showing the broken down Ikea furniture while narrating it as "...clean aesthetics; rugged, durable construction." 😂😂😂 And I appreciate you taking time to try different paints, so I know what not to buy!
Cool video, got some good laughs out of it. I like how you're fair with it and actually go a little further and found out what the product can actually be used for.
Dude you literally have the best intro. Love your videos.
I recently stumbled about some awesome wall paints from a local furniture megastore. 250ml for 3 bucks and contrary to typical craft paint they are loaded with pigments to a point that thinning them by a factor of 4 to 5 still doesnt destroy the consistency or coverage. They even work trough an airbrush and mix with other colors without turning into greyish brown sludge. That said i did mix in some of my homebrew magic medium/thinners to adjust consistency and flow regular water probably ruins it just like any other paint if you add too much.
For anyone interested it was "Poco Abtönfarbe" from the simmilarly named furniture store Poco but i guess those paints are available in many Hardware stores as well.
I'm glad you acknowledged that not all craft paints are total crap. I use them much much more than I admit ( especially on terrain) and there are a lot of paints out there that are totally serviceable
this cheap paint experiments series is my favorite. I'd love to see how options most people would have locally available to them (such as hobby lobby/Michaels) brands would compare.
J, the bravest man braveing the worst paints known to man. Nothing but heroism in this video
First video by this guy I've ever seen, I really enjoyed it! I love the positivity!
Oh man it still looks so good xD well done, really fun video, would love to see what you can do with acryla-gouache
Have you try Mr color paint? I've seen many gunpla collector use that kind of paint .
Also love your content ❤️
Also tamyia, AK are also model paints he "missed".
@@GreenBlueWalkthrough I use AK for my minis. Is fine
we have a store in the UK called The Works that sells cheap acrylic paint I use for terrain. its not great but does the job and costs about the same as a GW pot for a 200ml tube
Yes I use them too. Also I cheated and got a dulex cookie colour that is similar to Zandri dust.
Shame I can't post you another like for the duck masterpiece 🌟
Appreciate the positive attitude and quality information on other paint favorites. Would love to see some brush technique videos!
Well, so much for that IKEA sponsorship 😅
Triggered when Jay tapped the green and said red lmfao. The finish job is bloody awesome!
The reason you had the problem is that it's poster paint, sometimes called tempera. That's designed to be used on paper or board, and to mix even after drying. It's not acrylic paint, more like an opaque version of watercolour paint, similar to gouache.
When it comes to cheap acrylics, a little life hack that's probably won't work that well for minis, but might be worth a shot is adding cornstarch to the paint. It's a trick artists use when painting. Minnie's might be a bit too small for it but it might make for an interesting short
I love being Swedish and being able to know what IKEA names mean
Love the ikea colour sceme in the studio.
you might try to check out on the wall paint sample testers. they are very cheap, (for example goodhome is 1.5 gbp per 50ml pot ), and there's wide variety of colours and types .
I never tried them on minis, but they are quite useful for painting terrain pieces and buildings on the cheap. And since they are supposed to go on house walls they tend to be quite durable.
I started with apple barrel paints and was very hesitant to get citadel because I like what I was getting out of them on my DnD minis, but I put them head to head on a Blood Angel and thats when I noticed the difference in quality of the coverage
Hi there! this is the first EonsofBattle vids I've ever seen and the most shoking for me is the paper coverring the light... are you telling me just with a paper you turn a regular lamp on a really nice fount of painting light?
In spanish, Mala means "bad" hahaha
11:01 sooo familiar lol.
That marine looks better than some of my stuff lol
(p.s. without titanium white I'd be lost)
I wonder how the experience would have been if you tried mixing them with some kind of acrylic medium?
I'm not going to try it though...
It ended up looking really good
It's so calming to watch someone paint with the proper 👍
Have you tried Duncan’s Two Thin Coats range yet? If you have what video was it cause I might have missed it
Have you done any other apple barrel cheap craft paint video? I really do like watching pro painters use really bad\ weird paints to attempt good minis. What about using posca paint markers to paint a mini or straight up testors enamel paints for model cars? Or even Nail polish?
Squidmar already tried this, and apparently this channel called Geek Gaming Scenics. Haven't watched that guy's video. Glad to see someone else try! It's always fun watching these kind of experimental videos!
Would love to see this become a series. Between this and the Apple Barrel video I'm curious as to your thoughts on other non-miniature acrylic paint brands. Stuff like Winsor & Newton, GOLDEN, Artists Loft, Amsterdam, etc.
I've got a couple GOLDEN High Flow Acrylic paints, specifically their Fluorescent Blue and Green. They seem to work well but I'm curious about other brands. Maybe just raid a Michaels or something.
I'm surprised you didn't have to assemble these paints. ;)
How do you avoid the liquitex white getting an oily feel? I've tried a bunch of different thinning mediums.
What was that book with all the space marines in it? it looked awesome
Out of curiosity, what were the ink brands you showed near the beginning of the video? That blue paint looked incredible...
is the IKEA mala paint airbrush able and what's used for thinner water or acrylic mr color tinners
I use a lot of those apple barrel paints. it allows me to have a huge range of colors for cheap. I still use GW paints for base coats.
I actually use a lot of the apple barrel paints. They are super cheap and apply far better than one would expect. I mostly use it for terrain but the blues and black are good enough for model use.
Question: have you Ever tried Gouache with acrylic shud be super Matt on a mini?
I think using a matt varnish between paint payers would help build the opacity. it works for me when using blue liquitex ink, as its water activated and just rubs itself off when washing over it.
"IKEA, I trusted you"
> as a Scandinavian - "why??"
Best Patreon segue so far.
My man made a pretty decent space marine using finger paints
I'm so used to DankPods blowing out my ear drums whenever he reads something in all caps that I immediately took off my headphones when you read IKEA in all caps
you know you are a warhammer painter when your duck has better shading then design
I use apple barrel to paint my miniatures, it's a bit thick but you know what ya do there so.
What book was that that you used for reference
When it comes to cheap paints that (sort of) work. Palmers isn't the worst, their colors are nice enough but a little thick and need some water to thin them down (valejo thinner
medium wasn't quite doing it)
So now you store the paints on the Billy Bookcase? 😎🤠
i moved last week and they were all out of Billy in black!!!! i just couldnt bring myself to get the billy in white T_T
@@KairosVI They've been out of the basic brown wood Billy bookcases for several years now. I was looking to replace all the older bookcases I had acquired over the years (from other stores) along with buying a few more so they would all match.
Jay what’s that book you have with all the chapters in it? Looks sick
Extra points for saying "paint" with holding up MÅLA.
'tis the direct translation, you see. måla = [to] paint. But paint as in the liquid you paint with, that's not måla, that's målarfärg or just färg (direct translation of that is also "colour"). Swedish & English are closely related but sometimes it gets weird in the details.
Most excellent ending. Paper is indeed the intended medium. Trying it on a mini was brave and IMO you did awesome. The end result is all the more impressive for having used paints so decidedly *not* ment for plastic models.
The way the paints re-activate and wash away in just a couple of strokes with a wet brush? Possibly the best feature of Måla! Very much a feature, not a bug. It is so, so good when cleaning up after the kids managed to flip their thickly painted paper on to the floor.
You didnt show Green Stuff World Paints in the opening sequence, have you tried their line yet?
I’m neither into war gaming nor miniature painting, but I still enjoy your content. Especially videos like these.
Hey EOB;
I have a request/question for you.
You have shown us that most of the colours are quite sub par but would they work (and produce passable results) on a more simpler paint scheme like the ancient Ultramarines blue&yellow and the similar?
You made a decent marine out of crap 👍 This reminds me about my beginning in the hobby with czech tempera paints Kohinoor
I think I already know the answer but what's with the paper over the lamp?
would that not be good for blood when the coat is so thin?
Would you consider doing one with just Apple Barrel paints, since they're cheaper than these, and you said there's at least one you like?
oh, forgot to ask... dis you get an allen wrench with your IKEA paints?
"its a little bit too watery for my taste"
sounds like you ate it xD
Coat d'arms didn't make the list?
the model looks amazing
This was really fun! I love your channel and presentation!
New Merch. Jay's 40K Duck. (This is not a joke I'd buy the heck outta something that's has Ducks in 40K
These edits and cuts were amazing my man 👏🏾 👏🏾 I'll be back for more
Could u do a video on non metallic painting
Jay, brilliant and hilarious video! You do more to make the hobby approachable than perhaps any other youtuber!
Hi Jay, love your experiments with non-conventional mini paint tools!
Almost looks blanchistsu! Love it
Hah, I love that Applebarrel Black paint too, it's so good for what it is.
I'm curious how artist acrylic paints (something like Arteza) would fair against miniature brand paints?
Great results! These are the only paints we can get in Sweden so would like to see more of these kind of videos.
Amazing Video. Is that a 3d shoulder pad?