@@jacobnunya808 Ish, @6:35 theres the shield/armor sigil fit. Keep in mind, the fitting window value includes the cargo. I think I looked into the hull tank but didn't think it got that high, I'll have to look at it again if I ever get another ganker to scan me :(
Ive always had a hatred for hisec gankers/wars, good to see someone giving them a hard time. I strictly live in 0.0 and havent had my main in highsec in half a decade probably, and im more worried about losing a hauler in highsec than i am in 0.0 lol
If only more people knew how to properly fit their ships in HS. I've only ever been spooked once while hauling stuff around, even through all the burn Jita's and Hulkageddons.
TIP: at ~4:30, where you considered not activating the kill right worrying he might leave, you easily could've, had you kept an eye on his velocity. Nados take a bit of a while to align, and while he was sitting at 0 speed, you could've easily activated the kill right AND still have enough time to lock it - even in a BS. Alternatively, bit safer, start locking it, and, if he still doesn't move/align, activate the kill right just before the lock completes. Otherwise - Good Job! Always nice to see people messing with the gankers
Yeah, felt like it was less time in the moment. Looking back at the video I was like “why didn’t I go for that? I had all the time”. But my delay did give him the opportunity to look like an idiot trying to loot the other wreck
Been wanting to make a follow up for a while. I even had a couple of other ideas that didn’t pan out in between like baiting a guy that was multi-boxing 20 some odd Nados with a Bowhead that we refit enroute (using my Nestor at a deep safe in between gates) after getting scanned. Unfortunately my brother took too long to uncloak and warp when he went through the gate and the dude warped all his ships back to station :(
Perhaps, though 99% of carebears would have no idea how remote reps work and wouldn't dare duel a corpmate and I'm guessing most pilots haven't figured out how easy those dailys can be. But as an alpha we can't do as much of the stuff we used to have so much fun doing as omegas (or endless pick a ship class 1v1 best of 5's on SiSi). But having those daily ships really makes those opportunities go fast. I would just use an alt, but since alpha accounts can't run multiple sessions from the same PC had to use plan B.
@@hikingphotog I've been playing a lot of Alphas testing what they can do in different areas of space and what not and I have to say there is a lot of game. If eve was only alpha, it would be quite a good game still even it it would be much smaller then what eve is today.
Thanks! We’ve been told we’re carebears with teeth. We like our hi-sec but have done our share of activities across the spectrum. The best way to learn how to counter a play style is to learn and practice that play style yourself.
The fitting window includes the cargo value... so the fitting itself is somewhere between 100-200m. Which is still worth less than the number of nado's required to take it.
6 yrs ago, back when I still played, I would sit on the jita undock and just pop whoever happened to go red. Now, if I ever return, I learn I can bait them with one of my alts.
That's the spirit! If my brother is home when we actually see a ganker active he'll get into his nado and passive lock them and wait til they go flashy when they take the bait on my hauler.
Apparently according to another comment here, closing out a conversation before logging out with a cheerful quib was paramount to trash talking and being a snob, who knew?
Newish player...I have been killed many many times but never understood the "activate kill rights" I just assumed it was ... that I was permitted to go after them without trouble from Concord. Am I missing more to this? Thanks
When a player illegally aggresses you, you gain a Killright in that player for 30 days. This gives you an option to set that player as “suspect” (aka yellow flashy) for 15 minutes so you or someone else can freely shoot them and try to blow up their ship. You also have the option to sell that Killright instead of using it yourself. This will display like you saw me do when I caught them with my Nightmare, I bought someone else’s Killright they had posted for 20 million. The theory behind selling the Killright is to recoup losses of the original victim.
Sadly I can't be bothered to play EvE anymore but I still like the videos :D (that was always the issue, the game felt so much better when watching videos of it than actually playing it). It's a good thing the gankers are fitted strictly to purpose of ganking barely mobile targets otherwise you might have been punished for going in close with a propless nightmare =)
Helps when you know how they are fitted, and that the mare has 100-150k ehp easily, with the dps to take them before they break range on the 24km long point. The gank Nado's also only load 1 round into each gun, so even if they shot back, they only get 1 shot then the guns are empty. I also took most of the shiny off of the ship beforehand just incase things somehow went south. It was the highest dps, thickest tank, battleship I had fitted at the time that I could fly as an Alpha (most of the rest had full racks of T2 guns).
Yup, only issue is when you don't get much time to make that go/no go decision and the scans come up empty. I've debated downgrading the tank slightly and fitting some cargo mods just to help confuse the unreliable scan results.
The misconception is that pilots feel Hi-Sec means "Safe Sec". If that were true, there wouldn't be a security rating system, and more importantly, you wouldn't be able to agress a neutral pilot at all, similar to what ccp has done for Alpha pilots. Truth is that CCP loves ganking and supports it in many ways. I'm particularly impressed at Jeremy for understanding and very smartly capitalizing on the fact that ganking isn't easy and gankers can be baited very easily. Whenever a Player say they hate hisec gankers because it's dishonorable, I simply have to stop myself and realize that they just don't understand what eve really is, what ccp wants it to be, and more importantly that they have intelligent options if they are even minimally aware of their surroundings. Gankers are doing players a true service by educating them. That's a fact.
I never even noticed the Alpha safety setting change, that helps for sure. I'm surprised they would have made that change with how much they've supported the ganking culture by minimizing any real hardship or penalties... "you are a criminal and you will be shot on site" actually means "go ahead and dock up and do all the business you want at the police station, we won't bother you one bit". While I do agree gankers have a potential to educate players, most players are oblivious to that education and don't learn anything. If the losses are large/often enough, they leave the game to never return and share their poor experience with friends who then don't even try it. Though I don't know if there's any real good solution to that either, just a byproduct of this particular in game career choice.
@@hikingphotog CCP does a terrible job of Educating new players. They eagerly learn how to go make isk a dozen different ways and ccp is good at that, but then they take their loot to Jita and lose it all. CCP should have a tutorial or some other introduction to Ganking for newbro's.
Or at the very least some basic intro to how basic game mechanics work like illegal aggression and looting. There's quite a lot of stuff in the game that players usually end up learning the hard way, which is not a great way to keep those newer players should they loose too much to a griefer.
But these tornado 1.0 gankers really screw me over. They will shoot at stuff, kill it before I can, then try to loot it with a t1 industrial that almost always dies to AG. I don't know how they are making money. Some Safety guys tried to kill an Impel with 3 tornados. Failed miserably, and the 10b impel docked and logged off.
The only ships we use for this that can’t take multiple Nados are the frigates and interceptors, though they do have 16-20k ehp, so in theory as long as both hits weren’t too solid it’d be good.
It’s the new daily tasks stuff now. It used to be just I think 2 random “perform this action” entries for either skill points or evermarks that a lot of people weren’t doing. Towards the end most of them were abyssal related. I guess you could say they are daily quests, with ISK, Evermarks, and bonus Skillpoints as rewards.
Yall need to learn how to fit ships and not worry so much. Of all the times I've been hauling random stuff all over New Eden, I've only ever been spooked once, and that's coming from someone who routinely warped multiple freighters packed to the brim into Jita regardless of if there is a Burn Jita event or not. Heck, sometimes we would even wait to do our hauling into Jita until they started their gankfest because it was funner to bring billions in right under their noses.
@@hikingphotog Wdym? how can i fit my miasmos against 4 dudes with warp disruptor? i doubt theres a fit that can safe you as a solo player on a transport ship am i wrong?
Sry for the delay, never got the notification from the comment. I just loaded up Pyfa and that was easy peasy, I'm sure with a few tweaks it could be made better, but real quick I got a Miasmos to 39k ehp. Mids: 2x Republic Large Extenders, Gist-X EM Hardener, Multi-Spectrum Hardener II Lows: Dmg Control II, 3x True Sansha Reactor Controls Rigs: Thermal Shield Reinforcer II, 2x Extender II's
Generally I swap between 2-3 characters each time I log in, since I gave each character a different ship with loot. Though fairly certain a few years back the last time my brother and I did this we got blacklisted by quite a few gankers, which is fine by me if I never get scanned. Way back in the day when we were baiting gate camping vexor gangs, we even had a few so squirrely they would leave system or log off if one of us showed up. I at least still get routinely scanned no matter which account I'm on so I'm guessing I'm not blacklisted by the newer gankers yet.
Yep, as long as the target is a legitimate target (aka Suspect/Criminal/Duel flag etc). Only thing you can't use legally in HiSec is smartbombs, well, you can, you just better make sure there aren't any innocents around (I've used a smartbomb cruiser to catch a ganker's pod after we caught him at his deep safe). So I guess you can use anything you want in Hi-Sec as long as anyone effected by it is a legit target (except caps of course).
looks like boolshit. usually you have been locked by a high speed frigate which goes too close like orbiting 500m, then it sucks all your cap, jams your targeting. it also uses missles to destroy your drones if you have some. Next he will just saw your helpless ship with no damage to him and so your alfa skills will not help you at all, neither for tracking, nor shield booster. And btw active shields and specialized shields are on omega now.
I'm convinced that EDENCOM ships and their parts/dependencies are left to be so pricey because they may just be the perfect response to a gank fleet in highsec...but that's all speculation.
The big downside to EDENCOM ships in highsec is that all it takes is for someone to suspect flag themselves, warp to you cloaked, and then decloak while you're busy shooting things. The vorton will arc to the suspect even with green safety. Suddenly you're in a 1v1 against a target that is fit specifically to counter you
I'd be cautious - while the vorton guns follow safety settings (so won't do anything to get you Concorded) I have seen them latch on to various NPC targets around gates (source - once got into a fight with a Thunderchild on a hisec gate, and he managed to hit some faction police or navy ships on the gate). I suspect that's generally not a good thing to do.
It's not like I just went out and bought billions in random stuff to use as bait, this is just random stuff I already had that was collecting dust. If you make your cargo value too low they won't even bother with you cause its not worth their effort if they won't make enough off your wreck. Unless that is your plan, to properly tank your ship and then reduce how much cargo you carry would effectively guarantee you'd never get ganked.
it's always have 5+ gankers standing around there, so do not trying to do same with this bro if one shoot still not let you down, they can active all 5 tornado and you'll going to die 100% don't waste your isk to bait if you don't wanna giving out your isk
Its all a matter of reading the situation and having the right fit. As shown in the video, and the previous video, most of these fits have more than enough ehp to take on a handful of Nados. If all you cared about was tank then you can get quite a lot of these haulers to 40, 50, 60k ehp without much effort. Which then means I'm not dying to 5 Nados. Maybe you didn't see how little those hits were actually doing to my overall hitpoints. The one, yes, I lost most of my shields, but it was an armor tank, so it was effectively barely a scratch. But even if you see a dozen Nados on station, you need to see what they are up to. If you see one with a 5.0 or 0.0 (0.0 means they have never shot an NPC and never committed a criminal action, ever) security status, they aren't ganking. If they are all clustered in an unusual spot and have the same corp/alliance tag, with other support ships with them from the same corp/alliance, probably a war camp. Then you've got a subset of the gankers that only target Blockade Runners and T3/faction cruisers, but I clump them in with another group, the ones that ship scan. Since the ones that ship scan in addition to cargo scan will see lack of cargo mods and a generous number of tank mods and then they unlock you and check the next guy.
With baiting the gankers you make money by selling your killrights as public, but in general, there's a lot of ways to make ISK in the game, PvE, trading, manufacturing, space trucking, mining, PvP, planetary commodities, just to name a few.
When you are on the Killrights screen, you can make it public and set a value that someone would pay to purchase the killright in order to flag the pilot suspect.
The only ones that don't scan cargo are generally the ones that hit the T2 Blockade Runners, as they are immune to cargo scans, but they usually ship scan to check for fitting. As for ship scanning for fit, there are a lot of gankers that don't bother with that because its not a reliable result. Sometimes you'll get no modules, sometimes you'll get the whole fit. And when you only have a brief moment to make the call to gank or not, a lot don't bother. Though you can play that to an advantage in tanking a fit but still include typical hauling mods like cargo expanders and agility mods, so that if the scan picks up that module and not your tank, they'll think you are ripe for picking.
True, though I never believed that it was impossible to defend against, but that it is the most stupid thing ever, yes sir. It should be punished way better, it’s terrorism at its best (from an in-game perspective of course)
Sitting in high sec for 10 years should be punished alot more. Either by reducing your isk income to 5% or by simply not allowing you to do sites there anymore. High sec care bares hurt eve economy, you just hord stuff while never wanting to risk anything, therefore inflating prices because you never have to buy a second mod of what you never Lose. You should thank pirates for keeping your game alive, cheers.
So you are saying that Null/Low keeps the whole economy running? Like mining and manufacturing? There's many different ways to play the game, some enjoy different parts of the game more than others, that doesn't make any particular way to play the game the wrong way to play. If Hi-Sec carebears are so dangerous to your livelihood, then just do it all yourself out in Low/Null on your own, cause you know how the game was intended to be played and then you would stick it to those guys and they wouldn't get your iskies. If all your friends did the same, then in theory they would have to leave Hi-Sec in order to be relevant, right? They always say the best way to vote or change any policy is to do so with your wallet, so just never buy anything from Hi-Sec ever again and then you're set.
@@babbaderbozz nah, that doesn't make any sense at all. I live in wh and null, I also do a lot of pirating and by that I mean real pirating, asking ransom to let them live. Yet, people living all the time in high sec never bothered me, it's their choice and the impact on the economy is non existen tbqh
Got him a few times the last couple weeks. I don’t know what he was expecting against a sigil since it’s one of the thickest T1 haulers without much of an attempt to tank it
bruh all scott 21 guy does is gank jita station. Got blaped by him and his buddy in a bling ship by due to me accidentally warping to station instead of my instadock.
Sad panda... :( If I'm ever flying anything fragile enough to get popped by a couple nado's I'll usually turn on all the resists whenever I'm in space cause its not worth the risk. I've seen them hit a lot of blinged out ships so I'm always curious what their baseline hit or don't hit limit is. Since a lot of blinged out ships have blinged out defenses. Also comes in handy to have bailout bookmarks straight through to the other side of the station to instawarp just in case.
He was one of the customers last time around :) Its usually just him and Satrundra, they don't hit regular stuff anymore, mostly Blockade Runners and bling fit cruisers that land short or autopilot for some reason, probably even has my accounts blacklisted. But I've got a plan hatching to get him again.
Gankers are not - by definition - griefers. Ganking is supported gameplay in EVE online; griefing is forbidden and, when proved, sternly punished by CCP. I'm surprised this error slipped through the net. It isn't a matter of opinion; it's a matter of (CCP) fact. No offence intended.
I must disagree to an extent, as griefers primary purpose is to exploit and have fun at the expense of newer players (sounds an awful lot like certain types of gankers too). One of the main outcomes of griefing is that the players leave the game, which also happens to be a common outcome to newer players that get ganked. So no, I was not using the term in error in relation to these types of gankers. To each their own, tomato tamoto.
As an official HS ganker - we make way too much isk to be bothered about a few tanky haulers and KRs.... Be careful of my triple alpha setup which will break your tanky haulers :)
Which one are you? I'll be sure to give you a shot next time I see you. If I was worried about 3 Nado's I wouldn't be out there with 1b when there's half a dozen or more Nado's on grid. I think the thinnest fit hauler I have is 25k, which would only die to 3 Nado's if they all landed perfect hits. Most of my haulers are 40k+, with several at 60-70k easy. When I've got my account active on Omega, if I've got a lot of stuff to haul, I just use my Bustard with 200k ehp (400k if I overheat). Though one of the guys I recently baited won't cash in his measly 35m KR and won't undock in anything bigger than a Thrasher while the KR is still active, so its having a net positive for all those new players that might have been the next sealclubbing victim. Otherwise yeah, there are still too many new or under-experienced players out there that put way too much stuff in ships that are not fit properly.
It really was, if I had caught them with my original plan it would have gone a lot smoother, but catching the one guy early threw me off. But yeah, I was probably saying the same things to myself when I watched the replay. I def know better, and have done better countless times, I dunno.
The fitting screen includes cargo values so take that and minus 800’ish million. These are also passive fit so they aren’t as high they could be with active/overheated
Those T2 Transport ships can get way up there. I think the Bustard gets 200k with active resists, and 400k if you overheat, yeah, that's not going down easy at all and it can hold quite a lot.
For this time around passive was picked because it's more believable from an auto-pilot standpoint. For regular travel/warp baiting, yeah, active fits are best. There isn't time for cap warfare to take effect in the few seconds the gank lasts.
Too bad only my neutral alts are allowed into highsec anymore. Never been on the bait side of station ganking.. but I have done station ganking. Few things I've managed to alpha on undock. (There are plenty more) Blockade Runners Deep Space Transports Recon Cruisers T3 Cruisers Freighters Jump Freighters I miss the 1st generation Post-Citadel Thanny.. I also miss skynet, but that's unrelated. (Note the Freighters and JFs were with nyx not thanny)
I'm guessing you were station ganking out in Null with a cap? That would be the only way I would see that you might be able to alpha through a freighter. Its been a while since I played around on Sisi with dreads so I don't remember what they had as far as alpha output. Though there are still quite a few gankers that specifically just target blockade runners and T3/faction cruisers in Jita.
@@hikingphotog I live in lowsec. Sat on station undock with Thanatos that had 3k scanres. When they changed carriers for the citadel expansion the rocket volley had much higher alpha than it does now. (They nerfed carriers pretty hard since then) I was able to alpha through blockade runners, deep space transports, T3s, and more. One guy tried to tackle me with arazu and open cyno.. but I alpha'd him before he could get cyno lit. After the alpha got nerfed I swapped to nyx. I'd wait on undock with a rookie ship and if a freighter or JF would try to undock and warp to highsec gate.. I'd light cyno, drop the Nyx and alpha it with fibos.
I hear there are plenty of guys in Jita that will double or triple anything you send them. A 2mil Comorant is your best ship? With 3 civie afterburners... any amount of ISK can't fix that. What are you doing fighting Trigs in a civie destroyer?
@@hikingphotog I was with my corp (Use The Bottle) and we took an acceleration gate to a trig infested area. I thought since i was with them i would be fine and get to benefit from the loot, but there were more than we thought and I was destructed.
So that begs the question....what do you even do in eve for that whole time? Station trade and ship spinning? This has been a mechanic for like 8 years. 🤷
I will second fearless, the primary aspect of this video is a mechanic that has been part of the game for quite a while, the killrights. And I wasn't trying to explain killrights in this video, it was a followup to the previous video about how to bait the gankers and take advantage of the killright system. And ganking has been in the game since the beginning, but thankfully with the introduction of killrights at least the victims had some recourse. Its not just restricted to HiSec, you can get griefed and ganked all over the place, just in HiSec Concord will arrive shortly to apply punishment. Unless you were referring to the bits that everyone should know like autopiloting, passive tank modules, cargo/ship scanning, warping through gates, fitting for maximum tank/ehp, Omega/Alpha status, alpha Nados, daily tasks/quests... If everything in this video was that foreign to you after 20 years, I'd say you need to expand your ingame experience and knowledge of how the whole ecosystem works. After barely 5 years of game experience (we started in 2010) my brother and I had taken the time to understand most aspects of the game from industry, mining, scanning, missions, LP, factions, wormholes, hi-low-null sec, pve, pvp, the good old towers (the POS's, aka space sticks, before the new structures), wars, and everything that ties it all together. If you thought the commentary in this video was bad, you should go watch the first one... that was probably the cheapest microphone in existence and absolutely no audio filters applied in post. I'd love to hear what kind words you have for that one.
my account alsmot 20y and I never attack a single player in EVE. No brainers and poor soul humans think that is just a game. But by fact that is their narutal side in a game. They just cowards in real life. And in game they show look who Im. Currently any PvP is unbalanced on side of players who attack first. I think soon things will be changed. Since more new players come. And developers will understand that need changes to keep players in game. But for that need fare PvP system. This year EVE have another chance for another life. I think gankers will have big changes in their easy gank life.
What gave you the impression I never activated an ewar on a player before? Def didn't do your homework before making such a bold statement. Maybe I got distracted between the first guy and the 2nd guy, maybe I forgot that my lock time would have been faster than his align/warp time... though your timestamp is after I killed the 2nd guy.
Ah, yeah, most of my actual time spent playing was years ago. Since then they've come out with the Killmarks on ships (which I'm sad weren't retroactive) and they overhauled the new player experience significantly which included the new Activities Tracker (which also wasn't retroactive, I wish it was, I'd have a lot of rewards to claim). Heck up until a few months ago as far as the game was concerned I never minded or manufactured anything either. So you made the assumption that because the Activities Tracker popped up that I'd never done any PVP in the decade before they put that in game. After the POS's got switched for Citadels and most of our core group of shenanigan friends left the game my accounts have been Alpha more often then not, and you can't use a lot of the really fun stuff as an Alpha so I've been essentially lurking in EVE for the last few years. But there's also the killboards to show my carebear status as well, between our accounts, we've got a kill/loss total of 1600 kills (150b) and 60 losses (12b), just what I'd expect from your run of the mill carebear wouldn't you say?
If you mean the Air Activity tracker pop up, I have done loads of the requirements in the past but none show in the tracker, it would be possible to have hundreds of kills using ewar and still show none, don't know when that was brought in the game.
For those looking for the original, here it is with all the fitting advice and guide even for Omegas:
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Did you ever cover a hull tanked sigil? With a very cheap alpha fit I can get over 50K ehp.
@@jacobnunya808 Ish, @6:35 theres the shield/armor sigil fit. Keep in mind, the fitting window value includes the cargo. I think I looked into the hull tank but didn't think it got that high, I'll have to look at it again if I ever get another ganker to scan me :(
Ive always had a hatred for hisec gankers/wars, good to see someone giving them a hard time. I strictly live in 0.0 and havent had my main in highsec in half a decade probably, and im more worried about losing a hauler in highsec than i am in 0.0 lol
If only more people knew how to properly fit their ships in HS. I've only ever been spooked once while hauling stuff around, even through all the burn Jita's and Hulkageddons.
TIP: at ~4:30, where you considered not activating the kill right worrying he might leave, you easily could've, had you kept an eye on his velocity. Nados take a bit of a while to align, and while he was sitting at 0 speed, you could've easily activated the kill right AND still have enough time to lock it - even in a BS. Alternatively, bit safer, start locking it, and, if he still doesn't move/align, activate the kill right just before the lock completes.
Otherwise - Good Job! Always nice to see people messing with the gankers
Yeah, felt like it was less time in the moment. Looking back at the video I was like “why didn’t I go for that? I had all the time”. But my delay did give him the opportunity to look like an idiot trying to loot the other wreck
As a newbro it makes me so happy to see a blinged out t1 industrial confuse gankers. Love the content man
People are always scared of putting 100-200m worth of faction mods on their cheap ships, but if it keeps it alive and stops ganks, then why not.
Yes! So glad we get a follow up. More videos like this!
Been wanting to make a follow up for a while. I even had a couple of other ideas that didn’t pan out in between like baiting a guy that was multi-boxing 20 some odd Nados with a Bowhead that we refit enroute (using my Nestor at a deep safe in between gates) after getting scanned. Unfortunately my brother took too long to uncloak and warp when he went through the gate and the dude warped all his ships back to station :(
Your intro was the cutest carebear thing I've ever seen anyone admitting to doing!
Perhaps, though 99% of carebears would have no idea how remote reps work and wouldn't dare duel a corpmate and I'm guessing most pilots haven't figured out how easy those dailys can be. But as an alpha we can't do as much of the stuff we used to have so much fun doing as omegas (or endless pick a ship class 1v1 best of 5's on SiSi). But having those daily ships really makes those opportunities go fast. I would just use an alt, but since alpha accounts can't run multiple sessions from the same PC had to use plan B.
@@hikingphotog I've been playing a lot of Alphas testing what they can do in different areas of space and what not and I have to say there is a lot of game. If eve was only alpha, it would be quite a good game still even it it would be much smaller then what eve is today.
This is awesome! Love the way you play my man.
Thanks! We’ve been told we’re carebears with teeth. We like our hi-sec but have done our share of activities across the spectrum. The best way to learn how to counter a play style is to learn and practice that play style yourself.
doing lords work.
It’s a rough and lonely life but the work needs done
865.7 million on a Sigil fit, you guys are beasts and heroes!
The fitting window includes the cargo value... so the fitting itself is somewhere between 100-200m. Which is still worth less than the number of nado's required to take it.
6 yrs ago, back when I still played, I would sit on the jita undock and just pop whoever happened to go red. Now, if I ever return, I learn I can bait them with one of my alts.
That's the spirit! If my brother is home when we actually see a ganker active he'll get into his nado and passive lock them and wait til they go flashy when they take the bait on my hauler.
The safest! Hehe 🤣🤣 I was surprised at no threats this time around!
Apparently according to another comment here, closing out a conversation before logging out with a cheerful quib was paramount to trash talking and being a snob, who knew?
Ladies and gentlemen, this is what we call the "got 'em!"
Glorious ganker content.
Just doing my part
That’s the eve gameplay I like to see 😂
I only wish our early shenanigans 10+ years ago were on video... we used to have soooo much fun.
good guys we need more of u guys here in eve :)
Unfortunately good guys are the minority these days.
Newish player...I have been killed many many times but never understood the "activate kill rights"
I just assumed it was ... that I was permitted to go after them without trouble from Concord.
Am I missing more to this? Thanks
When a player illegally aggresses you, you gain a Killright in that player for 30 days. This gives you an option to set that player as “suspect” (aka yellow flashy) for 15 minutes so you or someone else can freely shoot them and try to blow up their ship. You also have the option to sell that Killright instead of using it yourself. This will display like you saw me do when I caught them with my Nightmare, I bought someone else’s Killright they had posted for 20 million. The theory behind selling the Killright is to recoup losses of the original victim.
this is why i always preferred null sec. HS is a anxiety inducing place.
Only anxiety inducing if you don't now how to handle the griefers.
random recommended. this game will always be mysterious to me. but as a retired Elite Dangerous player, i feel the hatred for gankers.
The great mystery of the algorithm
This is a very satisfying video😊
Good to hear and I'm glad to be of service.
Sadly I can't be bothered to play EvE anymore but I still like the videos :D (that was always the issue, the game felt so much better when watching videos of it than actually playing it). It's a good thing the gankers are fitted strictly to purpose of ganking barely mobile targets otherwise you might have been punished for going in close with a propless nightmare =)
How so? Only ways i see this situation going is Nados lose, Mare lives, easily.
Helps when you know how they are fitted, and that the mare has 100-150k ehp easily, with the dps to take them before they break range on the 24km long point. The gank Nado's also only load 1 round into each gun, so even if they shot back, they only get 1 shot then the guns are empty. I also took most of the shiny off of the ship beforehand just incase things somehow went south. It was the highest dps, thickest tank, battleship I had fitted at the time that I could fly as an Alpha (most of the rest had full racks of T2 guns).
Great video
Thanks!
that why as a ganker my self i use cargo scanner and ship scanner never take a bait, is easy to see a bait when u see their fit
Yup, only issue is when you don't get much time to make that go/no go decision and the scans come up empty. I've debated downgrading the tank slightly and fitting some cargo mods just to help confuse the unreliable scan results.
@@hikingphotog for experience you have a leash 2 times scan time for fit 1 for cargo , and if slow maybe 3 times
The misconception is that pilots feel Hi-Sec means "Safe Sec". If that were true, there wouldn't be a security rating system, and more importantly, you wouldn't be able to agress a neutral pilot at all, similar to what ccp has done for Alpha pilots. Truth is that CCP loves ganking and supports it in many ways. I'm particularly impressed at Jeremy for understanding and very smartly capitalizing on the fact that ganking isn't easy and gankers can be baited very easily.
Whenever a Player say they hate hisec gankers because it's dishonorable, I simply have to stop myself and realize that they just don't understand what eve really is, what ccp wants it to be, and more importantly that they have intelligent options if they are even minimally aware of their surroundings. Gankers are doing players a true service by educating them. That's a fact.
I never even noticed the Alpha safety setting change, that helps for sure. I'm surprised they would have made that change with how much they've supported the ganking culture by minimizing any real hardship or penalties... "you are a criminal and you will be shot on site" actually means "go ahead and dock up and do all the business you want at the police station, we won't bother you one bit".
While I do agree gankers have a potential to educate players, most players are oblivious to that education and don't learn anything. If the losses are large/often enough, they leave the game to never return and share their poor experience with friends who then don't even try it. Though I don't know if there's any real good solution to that either, just a byproduct of this particular in game career choice.
@@hikingphotog CCP does a terrible job of Educating new players. They eagerly learn how to go make isk a dozen different ways and ccp is good at that, but then they take their loot to Jita and lose it all. CCP should have a tutorial or some other introduction to Ganking for newbro's.
Or at the very least some basic intro to how basic game mechanics work like illegal aggression and looting. There's quite a lot of stuff in the game that players usually end up learning the hard way, which is not a great way to keep those newer players should they loose too much to a griefer.
Thanks for removing the rival gankers that interfere with our ganking operation. You've done us gankers a great service.
Which ones are you? Though I will say a couple already shifted to using ship scanners as well so they don't fail as often.
I always use ship scanners. But my targets are a bit bigger than the t1 industrial ships, I can do around 110k damage with my most expensive setup.
But these tornado 1.0 gankers really screw me over. They will shoot at stuff, kill it before I can, then try to loot it with a t1 industrial that almost always dies to AG. I don't know how they are making money. Some Safety guys tried to kill an Impel with 3 tornados. Failed miserably, and the 10b impel docked and logged off.
You can tank one Nado right ? Because most of best Jita Gankers have more than one Nado to kill Blockade Runner
The only ships we use for this that can’t take multiple Nados are the frigates and interceptors, though they do have 16-20k ehp, so in theory as long as both hits weren’t too solid it’d be good.
I’m working n getting the account that is still Omega into at least one blockade runner as those are just as easy to tank against a couple Nados
what is the opritunity system thing you mentioned???
It’s the new daily tasks stuff now. It used to be just I think 2 random “perform this action” entries for either skill points or evermarks that a lot of people weren’t doing. Towards the end most of them were abyssal related. I guess you could say they are daily quests, with ISK, Evermarks, and bonus Skillpoints as rewards.
Now this is entertainment :D
Thanks! Fly safe!
Make gankers lose it all.
That's the idea, though its far from making them lose much more than a little bit of time and a pittance of iskies.
Thats why my friends are afraid of jita because of the gankers
Yall need to learn how to fit ships and not worry so much. Of all the times I've been hauling random stuff all over New Eden, I've only ever been spooked once, and that's coming from someone who routinely warped multiple freighters packed to the brim into Jita regardless of if there is a Burn Jita event or not. Heck, sometimes we would even wait to do our hauling into Jita until they started their gankfest because it was funner to bring billions in right under their noses.
@@hikingphotog Wdym? how can i fit my miasmos against 4 dudes with warp disruptor? i doubt theres a fit that can safe you as a solo player on a transport ship am i wrong?
Sry for the delay, never got the notification from the comment. I just loaded up Pyfa and that was easy peasy, I'm sure with a few tweaks it could be made better, but real quick I got a Miasmos to 39k ehp.
Mids: 2x Republic Large Extenders, Gist-X EM Hardener, Multi-Spectrum Hardener II
Lows: Dmg Control II, 3x True Sansha Reactor Controls
Rigs: Thermal Shield Reinforcer II, 2x Extender II's
When doing this regularly, I wonder how often you would have to switch over to alts, due to many of them putting you on contacts not to gank.
Generally I swap between 2-3 characters each time I log in, since I gave each character a different ship with loot. Though fairly certain a few years back the last time my brother and I did this we got blacklisted by quite a few gankers, which is fine by me if I never get scanned. Way back in the day when we were baiting gate camping vexor gangs, we even had a few so squirrely they would leave system or log off if one of us showed up.
I at least still get routinely scanned no matter which account I'm on so I'm guessing I'm not blacklisted by the newer gankers yet.
you can warp scram in high sec?
Yep, as long as the target is a legitimate target (aka Suspect/Criminal/Duel flag etc). Only thing you can't use legally in HiSec is smartbombs, well, you can, you just better make sure there aren't any innocents around (I've used a smartbomb cruiser to catch a ganker's pod after we caught him at his deep safe). So I guess you can use anything you want in Hi-Sec as long as anyone effected by it is a legit target (except caps of course).
@@hikingphotog I thought bomb launchers also won't work in hisec, is it true?
looks like boolshit. usually you have been locked by a high speed frigate which goes too close like orbiting 500m, then it sucks all your cap, jams your targeting. it also uses missles to destroy your drones if you have some. Next he will just saw your helpless ship with no damage to him and so your alfa skills will not help you at all, neither for tracking, nor shield booster. And btw active shields and specialized shields are on omega now.
My accounts were actually in Alpha when I recorded this less than a year ago. So everything I did in here was possible as an alpha.
Keep doing gods work
An effort is being made at the very least. Spread the good word to those less experienced so they too can haul their loot safe and secure.
I wanna see how a Thunderchild does against a catalyst gank fleet, coz those are the real problem.
Ooooooh, now if those skillbooks weren’t so prohibitively priced. Might be on to something here
I'm convinced that EDENCOM ships and their parts/dependencies are left to be so pricey because they may just be the perfect response to a gank fleet in highsec...but that's all speculation.
The big downside to EDENCOM ships in highsec is that all it takes is for someone to suspect flag themselves, warp to you cloaked, and then decloak while you're busy shooting things. The vorton will arc to the suspect even with green safety. Suddenly you're in a 1v1 against a target that is fit specifically to counter you
Its one of the downsides to people figuring out how to game the suspect flags, like all the fake duels on station.
I'd be cautious - while the vorton guns follow safety settings (so won't do anything to get you Concorded) I have seen them latch on to various NPC targets around gates (source - once got into a fight with a Thunderchild on a hisec gate, and he managed to hit some faction police or navy ships on the gate). I suspect that's generally not a good thing to do.
What is that fit you have on the sigil?
@6:32 I've got it shown, 40k ehp with an Alpha pilot
Are the fits saved somewhere?
ok scap that just noticed but 1.1 bil? fancy price tag
The fitting itself is just a fraction of that, since the fitting window includes the value of the cargo.
Hmm... i might reduce that cargo then.... not profitable
It's not like I just went out and bought billions in random stuff to use as bait, this is just random stuff I already had that was collecting dust. If you make your cargo value too low they won't even bother with you cause its not worth their effort if they won't make enough off your wreck. Unless that is your plan, to properly tank your ship and then reduce how much cargo you carry would effectively guarantee you'd never get ganked.
it's always have 5+ gankers standing around there, so do not trying to do same with this bro
if one shoot still not let you down, they can active all 5 tornado and you'll going to die 100%
don't waste your isk to bait if you don't wanna giving out your isk
Its all a matter of reading the situation and having the right fit. As shown in the video, and the previous video, most of these fits have more than enough ehp to take on a handful of Nados. If all you cared about was tank then you can get quite a lot of these haulers to 40, 50, 60k ehp without much effort. Which then means I'm not dying to 5 Nados. Maybe you didn't see how little those hits were actually doing to my overall hitpoints. The one, yes, I lost most of my shields, but it was an armor tank, so it was effectively barely a scratch.
But even if you see a dozen Nados on station, you need to see what they are up to. If you see one with a 5.0 or 0.0 (0.0 means they have never shot an NPC and never committed a criminal action, ever) security status, they aren't ganking. If they are all clustered in an unusual spot and have the same corp/alliance tag, with other support ships with them from the same corp/alliance, probably a war camp. Then you've got a subset of the gankers that only target Blockade Runners and T3/faction cruisers, but I clump them in with another group, the ones that ship scan. Since the ones that ship scan in addition to cargo scan will see lack of cargo mods and a generous number of tank mods and then they unlock you and check the next guy.
How do you make isk?
With baiting the gankers you make money by selling your killrights as public, but in general, there's a lot of ways to make ISK in the game, PvE, trading, manufacturing, space trucking, mining, PvP, planetary commodities, just to name a few.
What do you mean post the kill for isk I don’t get that I’m new sorry
When you are on the Killrights screen, you can make it public and set a value that someone would pay to purchase the killright in order to flag the pilot suspect.
I dindn't know there's gankers that don't first scan a ship to see the cargo, let alone not knowing what fit it has. WTF?
The only ones that don't scan cargo are generally the ones that hit the T2 Blockade Runners, as they are immune to cargo scans, but they usually ship scan to check for fitting.
As for ship scanning for fit, there are a lot of gankers that don't bother with that because its not a reliable result. Sometimes you'll get no modules, sometimes you'll get the whole fit. And when you only have a brief moment to make the call to gank or not, a lot don't bother. Though you can play that to an advantage in tanking a fit but still include typical hauling mods like cargo expanders and agility mods, so that if the scan picks up that module and not your tank, they'll think you are ripe for picking.
Show this video to all the whiners who claim ganking is impossible to defend against and needs to be nerfed.
True, though I never believed that it was impossible to defend against, but that it is the most stupid thing ever, yes sir. It should be punished way better, it’s terrorism at its best (from an in-game perspective of course)
Last time around after the last video I even had a couple gankers tell me not to try everything I saw on the internet.
Sitting in high sec for 10 years should be punished alot more. Either by reducing your isk income to 5% or by simply not allowing you to do sites there anymore. High sec care bares hurt eve economy, you just hord stuff while never wanting to risk anything, therefore inflating prices because you never have to buy a second mod of what you never Lose.
You should thank pirates for keeping your game alive, cheers.
So you are saying that Null/Low keeps the whole economy running? Like mining and manufacturing? There's many different ways to play the game, some enjoy different parts of the game more than others, that doesn't make any particular way to play the game the wrong way to play. If Hi-Sec carebears are so dangerous to your livelihood, then just do it all yourself out in Low/Null on your own, cause you know how the game was intended to be played and then you would stick it to those guys and they wouldn't get your iskies. If all your friends did the same, then in theory they would have to leave Hi-Sec in order to be relevant, right?
They always say the best way to vote or change any policy is to do so with your wallet, so just never buy anything from Hi-Sec ever again and then you're set.
@@babbaderbozz nah, that doesn't make any sense at all. I live in wh and null, I also do a lot of pirating and by that I mean real pirating, asking ransom to let them live. Yet, people living all the time in high sec never bothered me, it's their choice and the impact on the economy is non existen tbqh
sadcringe but the voice puts a comedy spin on it!
Just trying to have some fun with it.
Haha gogela failed again i
Got him a few times the last couple weeks. I don’t know what he was expecting against a sigil since it’s one of the thickest T1 haulers without much of an attempt to tank it
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bruh all scott 21 guy does is gank jita station. Got blaped by him and his buddy in a bling ship by due to me accidentally warping to station instead of my instadock.
Sad panda... :( If I'm ever flying anything fragile enough to get popped by a couple nado's I'll usually turn on all the resists whenever I'm in space cause its not worth the risk. I've seen them hit a lot of blinged out ships so I'm always curious what their baseline hit or don't hit limit is. Since a lot of blinged out ships have blinged out defenses. Also comes in handy to have bailout bookmarks straight through to the other side of the station to instawarp just in case.
Loool I bet they were salty
Sadly not as salty as the first time around.
Just don't bait with Ivicek and his nado alts
He was one of the customers last time around :) Its usually just him and Satrundra, they don't hit regular stuff anymore, mostly Blockade Runners and bling fit cruisers that land short or autopilot for some reason, probably even has my accounts blacklisted. But I've got a plan hatching to get him again.
Gankers are not - by definition - griefers. Ganking is supported gameplay in EVE online; griefing is forbidden and, when proved, sternly punished by CCP. I'm surprised this error slipped through the net. It isn't a matter of opinion; it's a matter of (CCP) fact. No offence intended.
I must disagree to an extent, as griefers primary purpose is to exploit and have fun at the expense of newer players (sounds an awful lot like certain types of gankers too). One of the main outcomes of griefing is that the players leave the game, which also happens to be a common outcome to newer players that get ganked. So no, I was not using the term in error in relation to these types of gankers. To each their own, tomato tamoto.
As an official HS ganker - we make way too much isk to be bothered about a few tanky haulers and KRs.... Be careful of my triple alpha setup which will break your tanky haulers :)
Which one are you? I'll be sure to give you a shot next time I see you. If I was worried about 3 Nado's I wouldn't be out there with 1b when there's half a dozen or more Nado's on grid. I think the thinnest fit hauler I have is 25k, which would only die to 3 Nado's if they all landed perfect hits. Most of my haulers are 40k+, with several at 60-70k easy. When I've got my account active on Omega, if I've got a lot of stuff to haul, I just use my Bustard with 200k ehp (400k if I overheat).
Though one of the guys I recently baited won't cash in his measly 35m KR and won't undock in anything bigger than a Thrasher while the KR is still active, so its having a net positive for all those new players that might have been the next sealclubbing victim. Otherwise yeah, there are still too many new or under-experienced players out there that put way too much stuff in ships that are not fit properly.
you sersly need to learn to track those nados.. that was terrible xD
It really was, if I had caught them with my original plan it would have gone a lot smoother, but catching the one guy early threw me off. But yeah, I was probably saying the same things to myself when I watched the replay. I def know better, and have done better countless times, I dunno.
My 250 mil transport ship is rocking 100k of EHP, you are paying 1 bil for 20k?
Damn, I need to do some ganking.
The fitting screen includes cargo values so take that and minus 800’ish million. These are also passive fit so they aren’t as high they could be with active/overheated
@@hikingphotog Ah yeah, I forgot about that.
But still- I also am having passive fit, altho it is ganker jumper( or whatever it is called).
Those T2 Transport ships can get way up there. I think the Bustard gets 200k with active resists, and 400k if you overheat, yeah, that's not going down easy at all and it can hold quite a lot.
@@hikingphotogdo you choose passive over active so that a cap leach has less effect? Cant take your EHP if its not tied up with cap charge
For this time around passive was picked because it's more believable from an auto-pilot standpoint. For regular travel/warp baiting, yeah, active fits are best. There isn't time for cap warfare to take effect in the few seconds the gank lasts.
a T2 fitted tornado can alpha a gank tornado...
Yup, actually had to scout fit my Nado so I could still use it as an Alpha and with 4 gyros I can still one shot them.
Too bad only my neutral alts are allowed into highsec anymore. Never been on the bait side of station ganking.. but I have done station ganking.
Few things I've managed to alpha on undock. (There are plenty more)
Blockade Runners
Deep Space Transports
Recon Cruisers
T3 Cruisers
Freighters
Jump Freighters
I miss the 1st generation Post-Citadel Thanny.. I also miss skynet, but that's unrelated. (Note the Freighters and JFs were with nyx not thanny)
I'm guessing you were station ganking out in Null with a cap? That would be the only way I would see that you might be able to alpha through a freighter. Its been a while since I played around on Sisi with dreads so I don't remember what they had as far as alpha output. Though there are still quite a few gankers that specifically just target blockade runners and T3/faction cruisers in Jita.
@@hikingphotog I live in lowsec.
Sat on station undock with Thanatos that had 3k scanres. When they changed carriers for the citadel expansion the rocket volley had much higher alpha than it does now. (They nerfed carriers pretty hard since then) I was able to alpha through blockade runners, deep space transports, T3s, and more. One guy tried to tackle me with arazu and open cyno.. but I alpha'd him before he could get cyno lit.
After the alpha got nerfed I swapped to nyx. I'd wait on undock with a rookie ship and if a freighter or JF would try to undock and warp to highsec gate.. I'd light cyno, drop the Nyx and alpha it with fibos.
Hi jeremy, i just lost my best ship playing this game. Do you think you could gift me some isk please! IM DESPERATE. i subscribed.
Screen name is Lukas Horley😊
I hear there are plenty of guys in Jita that will double or triple anything you send them. A 2mil Comorant is your best ship? With 3 civie afterburners... any amount of ISK can't fix that. What are you doing fighting Trigs in a civie destroyer?
@@hikingphotog I was with my corp (Use The Bottle) and we took an acceleration gate to a trig infested area. I thought since i was with them i would be fine and get to benefit from the loot, but there were more than we thought and I was destructed.
I've played EvE for 20 years and I do NOT understand one thing you just did or said...
So that begs the question....what do you even do in eve for that whole time? Station trade and ship spinning? This has been a mechanic for like 8 years. 🤷
@@FearlessTrailhawk Not working with CCP's HS grief mechanics 🤣.. worst!
@@FearlessTrailhawk Oh and the speech of this guy is completely 1st grader quality with 2nd grade ability to explain things 🤣
I will second fearless, the primary aspect of this video is a mechanic that has been part of the game for quite a while, the killrights. And I wasn't trying to explain killrights in this video, it was a followup to the previous video about how to bait the gankers and take advantage of the killright system.
And ganking has been in the game since the beginning, but thankfully with the introduction of killrights at least the victims had some recourse. Its not just restricted to HiSec, you can get griefed and ganked all over the place, just in HiSec Concord will arrive shortly to apply punishment.
Unless you were referring to the bits that everyone should know like autopiloting, passive tank modules, cargo/ship scanning, warping through gates, fitting for maximum tank/ehp, Omega/Alpha status, alpha Nados, daily tasks/quests...
If everything in this video was that foreign to you after 20 years, I'd say you need to expand your ingame experience and knowledge of how the whole ecosystem works. After barely 5 years of game experience (we started in 2010) my brother and I had taken the time to understand most aspects of the game from industry, mining, scanning, missions, LP, factions, wormholes, hi-low-null sec, pve, pvp, the good old towers (the POS's, aka space sticks, before the new structures), wars, and everything that ties it all together.
If you thought the commentary in this video was bad, you should go watch the first one... that was probably the cheapest microphone in existence and absolutely no audio filters applied in post. I'd love to hear what kind words you have for that one.
You have 170m SP and never used an EWAR module on a player before (EWAR 1 appears at 5:39) . I did not know care bears of this level existed.
my account alsmot 20y and I never attack a single player in EVE.
No brainers and poor soul humans think that is just a game.
But by fact that is their narutal side in a game. They just cowards in real life.
And in game they show look who Im.
Currently any PvP is unbalanced on side of players who attack first.
I think soon things will be changed.
Since more new players come. And developers will understand that need changes to keep players in game. But for that need fare PvP system.
This year EVE have another chance for another life.
I think gankers will have big changes in their easy gank life.
What gave you the impression I never activated an ewar on a player before? Def didn't do your homework before making such a bold statement. Maybe I got distracted between the first guy and the 2nd guy, maybe I forgot that my lock time would have been faster than his align/warp time... though your timestamp is after I killed the 2nd guy.
I have EWAR 1, the mastery thing, on a 4 day old ganking account. You did not after years of playing.@@hikingphotog
Ah, yeah, most of my actual time spent playing was years ago. Since then they've come out with the Killmarks on ships (which I'm sad weren't retroactive) and they overhauled the new player experience significantly which included the new Activities Tracker (which also wasn't retroactive, I wish it was, I'd have a lot of rewards to claim). Heck up until a few months ago as far as the game was concerned I never minded or manufactured anything either.
So you made the assumption that because the Activities Tracker popped up that I'd never done any PVP in the decade before they put that in game. After the POS's got switched for Citadels and most of our core group of shenanigan friends left the game my accounts have been Alpha more often then not, and you can't use a lot of the really fun stuff as an Alpha so I've been essentially lurking in EVE for the last few years. But there's also the killboards to show my carebear status as well, between our accounts, we've got a kill/loss total of 1600 kills (150b) and 60 losses (12b), just what I'd expect from your run of the mill carebear wouldn't you say?
If you mean the Air Activity tracker pop up, I have done loads of the requirements in the past but none show in the tracker, it would be possible to have hundreds of kills using ewar and still show none, don't know when that was brought in the game.
Absolute king ty o7
Just doing my part, thanks much!