It's an identity thing. The difference between having murdered someone and embracing it as apart of who you are and what you proactively do. There is a difference between planning a murder and killing someone to save yourself like Walt did in the pilot. He hadn't planned to kill anyone at this point in the show. Eventually he does though, pretty sure Gus is the first person he plans to kill and succeeds in doing so. Even when he kills these two drug dealers he does it to save Jesse.
You know Jesse's an adult right? Jesse made his choice, which ultimately screwed Walter's nice and safe retirement plan over and over, which made Walter more susceptible to participating in drug businesses. So no, Jesse was never Walter's.
Jesse did know Walter when he was a high schooler, but he hated him because he was a tough grader. Not really "getting him young" when they don't like you
@A_Random_Rat he still clearly has way more power over Jesse than another adult would. The fact that in the past it WAS kid Jesse and adult Walt seeps into their future relationship completely
Walter was not listening either. Usually this marks his internal dialogue of saving his own skin. I give the both of them credit however because conflict resolution is hard and you rarely see the bright side when you're smack dab in the middle of it The part that makes this awkward is how Jesse is asking for a favor in partner territory. You can't welch on collaborative efforts, even while it is uncomfortable. Walt needed to bring him outside for a cigarette, discussing terms and options. Hopefully helping him see reason in the process By bringing up the murderer thing, he renegs. Like while it's wholesome, it sort of puts it on Jesse to be moralistic about it with a dash of double standard. Both he and Jesse are murderers by this point, and Jesse is right, those plans are masterful when it's Walt's idea What Walt needed to do is walk him through the bloodlust, comparing apples with each other. Think about how it feels again to murder someone, the guilt, the animality, the risk. Help him see the anger for what it is These events led to him needing to kill Gayle, putting the dog down so to speak, which rotted Jesse's soul. When it's revenge, it's justified right?
Revenge is of no use if it ruins ur current steady life. Walt and jesse had everything during this phase of this show. If jesse had listened to walt everything would have been better. One can't blame walt for not giving jesse the poison to kill dealers. @@ramblincapuchin9075
None of these people are good. That’s the point of the show. They just commit more crimes to cover up their previous crimes, and act like they have some moral high ground while they sell a drug that ruins lives
Walt should've offered to execute the plan down the road, when the timing would throw Gus off their tracks. The dealers can't die this soon, no matter how clean the operations are Gus will know. If they'd waited long enough- a year, 15 months-they would've had a shot to get away with it. And in the meantime they could prepare strong contingency plans for in case Gus somehow found out. I have literally set a google calendar event in nine months that just said 'Key car' to remind me to key my neighbor's car to get them back for something. The other benefit of that approach is you can calm down a lot in that time and you may not feel the need to do it at that point. I never keyed my neighbor's car, they calmed down in the nine months.
Jesse looks thirsty for revenge. He felt guilty for putting Combo on that corner to get killed. And now he's going after the guys who caused his drug addiction and his mental deterioration.
I was always in between loving Jesse or HATING Jesse. Without a doubt exactly the way we were supposed to feel about him. The acting and writing of this show is so far above anything I've ever seen in a TV series. Has to be one of the very best ever.
This is one of those scenes where it's hard to feel its importance until the plan is executed. The same thing happened with the scene where the Nazi gang are planning the prison executions.
I honestly forgot about this scene and I’m currently watching it for the third time. I feel a little bad for not remembering this scene but I suppose it’s not easy for someone to remember every scene in a show that has five seasons worth of 40 minute episodes.
Most shows tend to be most memorable in the last 2 seasons, for better or worse. Also, this is sandwiched between some pretty crazy things happening in big scenes
Walt was a man of power. A machiavellian type who only cared about his own interests. And killing them dealers over a kid wasn't of his interests. On the other hand, jesse was way shallow minded who didn't know his interests and was only emotional. He's addiction made it worse so a junkie will always be have more extreme and sudden emotions
Both guys were right here in my opinion. Jesse was morally correct, killing the dealers meant the kid could be set free and it would get rid of 2 people who have done no good in this world. On the other hand, Walter was correct about how this entire ordeal would not help them at all. It would jeopardize their job and strain their relationship with Gus (and it did) and if they continued on their merry way, they could've safely continued pedaling meth. It was really just a matter of what they believe was right. It is however, ironic that Walter said no to this revenge ploy and yet his last moments involved a revenge ploy against Jack's gang.
Watching Season 3 back it’s kind of fucked up that Walt just brushes Combo’s death aside and literally could give two shits… Really telling about both Walt’s character and Jesse’s.
Gus wouldn't. Ricin just looks like a bad flu and doesn't show up on a toxicology. He has way bigger things to worry about than a couple local dealers, so if he heard about it at all he'd probably just write it off as a coincidence. Even if he *did* have suspicions, it's already done and he has way bigger fish to fry, so he'd at most leave it be until the cartel's dealt with.
he probably would, (they needed to take Gale off the way sooner or later, but if they used the ricin, would have been obvious)but that's not the problem, Jesse was a loose cannon who was just causing problems for the sake of it, remember he was stealing from the lab without understanding the repercussions that might have on Walter and him, so, even if he had used it and do what he wanted, he later would have started another problem in the lab
Jesse was ultimately the downfall of it all because he wanted to play "Lets have morals" in the drug trade business just so he could look at himself in the mirror everyday and try and convince himself he was not a bad guy.
This is correct except for the fact that Jesse was not trying to “convince himself he wasn’t a bad guy”, because he literally admitted he was a bad guy. Jesse was an idiot who did legitimately care about children and who was driven by revenge, and that’s what caused everyone’s downfall.
@@parkerboy795 they needed to take Gale down, the dealer and then Gale would have been quite suspicious for Gus ad Mike, they would have find out sooner or later
Giving Jesse a soft spot for kids was a good way of humanizing him in the early part of the series when you were kinda still on the fence about which direction his moral compass was pointing and just how far he could lose himself in this world before it cost him his soul.
I love how Walt just tries to convince Jesse it’s a bad idea like he just finally found a job that pays well and wants peace lol
Murder is not part of your 12 step program 😂 lol he says it so nonchalant
He knew he was gaslighting tf out of him at that very moment lmao
i like how walt says he's not a murderer even though he literally fucking is lol
It's an identity thing. The difference between having murdered someone and embracing it as apart of who you are and what you proactively do. There is a difference between planning a murder and killing someone to save yourself like Walt did in the pilot. He hadn't planned to kill anyone at this point in the show.
Eventually he does though, pretty sure Gus is the first person he plans to kill and succeeds in doing so. Even when he kills these two drug dealers he does it to save Jesse.
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@@jotarokujo5132 At this point Walt isn't a murderer, he's a killer. There actually is a difference, killing in self-defense isn't murder
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@@jotarokujo5132 don't you have anything better to do that trying to dumbfound people with a higher intellect than you?
If you removed Walt's ego he was pretty damn rational, almost to a fault. It's scary what it can do to a person...
He would have been unstoppable, we saw a small glimpse of it in felina of what he was capable of without his enormous ego.
what was that@@nathanrudd2327
Ego ego ego. Is that all you idiots see?
If you removed his ego he wouldn't have been in this situation in the first place
You guys acting like you dont have an ego lol
"Get em young, and they're yours forever."
Literally talking about himself and Mr. White.
You know Jesse's an adult right? Jesse made his choice, which ultimately screwed Walter's nice and safe retirement plan over and over, which made Walter more susceptible to participating in drug businesses. So no, Jesse was never Walter's.
Jesse is like 24/25. His brain is fully developed or very nearly. He is a full-grown adult, not a kid like who he's referring to.
Jesse did know Walter when he was a high schooler, but he hated him because he was a tough grader. Not really "getting him young" when they don't like you
@A_Random_Rat he still clearly has way more power over Jesse than another adult would. The fact that in the past it WAS kid Jesse and adult Walt seeps into their future relationship completely
@@brownjonny2230safe retirement plan is crazy. He’s selling meth, not opening a 401k
This was the beginning of the power struggle between Walt and Gus over control of Jesse.
take it easy we're not making a western here
Sorry uncle Jun 😆
Jesse not listening to Walter here changed the course of the entire show
Walter was not listening either. Usually this marks his internal dialogue of saving his own skin. I give the both of them credit however because conflict resolution is hard and you rarely see the bright side when you're smack dab in the middle of it
The part that makes this awkward is how Jesse is asking for a favor in partner territory. You can't welch on collaborative efforts, even while it is uncomfortable. Walt needed to bring him outside for a cigarette, discussing terms and options. Hopefully helping him see reason in the process
By bringing up the murderer thing, he renegs. Like while it's wholesome, it sort of puts it on Jesse to be moralistic about it with a dash of double standard. Both he and Jesse are murderers by this point, and Jesse is right, those plans are masterful when it's Walt's idea
What Walt needed to do is walk him through the bloodlust, comparing apples with each other. Think about how it feels again to murder someone, the guilt, the animality, the risk. Help him see the anger for what it is
These events led to him needing to kill Gayle, putting the dog down so to speak, which rotted Jesse's soul. When it's revenge, it's justified right?
Revenge is of no use if it ruins ur current steady life. Walt and jesse had everything during this phase of this show. If jesse had listened to walt everything would have been better. One can't blame walt for not giving jesse the poison to kill dealers. @@ramblincapuchin9075
@@ramblincapuchin9075 Jesus Christ, bro it’s a TV show go outside
To be fair if Walt had listened and helped kill the dealers they would have gotten away with it.
I love how Jesse cares so much about his FRIEND. Jesse is a good soul.
None of these people are good. That’s the point of the show. They just commit more crimes to cover up their previous crimes, and act like they have some moral high ground while they sell a drug that ruins lives
He only cared about him after he was dead. Jesse was a selfish soul.
Jesse was incensed here. There was no stopping him at all. Walter never had a chance at convincing him not to.
Walt should've offered to execute the plan down the road, when the timing would throw Gus off their tracks. The dealers can't die this soon, no matter how clean the operations are Gus will know. If they'd waited long enough- a year, 15 months-they would've had a shot to get away with it. And in the meantime they could prepare strong contingency plans for in case Gus somehow found out.
I have literally set a google calendar event in nine months that just said 'Key car' to remind me to key my neighbor's car to get them back for something. The other benefit of that approach is you can calm down a lot in that time and you may not feel the need to do it at that point. I never keyed my neighbor's car, they calmed down in the nine months.
The ironic part is, if Walter had done as Jesse asked, the kid would still be alive, and the whole arrangement with Gus wouldn't have fallen apart.
Walter "I'm not a criminal" and "I'm not a murderer".
Jesse looks thirsty for revenge. He felt guilty for putting Combo on that corner to get killed. And now he's going after the guys who caused his drug addiction and his mental deterioration.
I was always in between loving Jesse or HATING Jesse. Without a doubt exactly the way we were supposed to feel about him. The acting and writing of this show is so far above anything I've ever seen in a TV series. Has to be one of the very best ever.
Anyone else not remember this scene?
This is one of those scenes where it's hard to feel its importance until the plan is executed. The same thing happened with the scene where the Nazi gang are planning the prison executions.
I honestly forgot about this scene and I’m currently watching it for the third time. I feel a little bad for not remembering this scene but I suppose it’s not easy for someone to remember every scene in a show that has five seasons worth of 40 minute episodes.
Most shows tend to be most memorable in the last 2 seasons, for better or worse. Also, this is sandwiched between some pretty crazy things happening in big scenes
I understand jesse its relatable.
This is the exact moment Walt and Jesse talk about using their ricin to take down the killers of Combo.
Wish it was the moment you came up with a new joke..
How is that a joke
Bravo Vinsent
this is the moment minerals@@julesmcgarry819
Where did Jesse get more ricen to poison them on their hamburgers? Walt poured it all over tucos burrito that got thrown on the floor.
Absolutely insane how a junkie could end up being a better person than Walter.
lol how is that insane? being a drug addict doesn't make you a bad person. being a bad person makes you a bad person
This is one of the most stupid things I have ever read on this place
Sobriety extremists, straight edgers but also drunks are some of the worst people I've ever met.
Doing drugs isn't a morality based action at all 😂 hope you don't have any prescriptions 😂😂😂
Walt was a man of power. A machiavellian type who only cared about his own interests. And killing them dealers over a kid wasn't of his interests. On the other hand, jesse was way shallow minded who didn't know his interests and was only emotional. He's addiction made it worse so a junkie will always be have more extreme and sudden emotions
Both guys were right here in my opinion. Jesse was morally correct, killing the dealers meant the kid could be set free and it would get rid of 2 people who have done no good in this world. On the other hand, Walter was correct about how this entire ordeal would not help them at all. It would jeopardize their job and strain their relationship with Gus (and it did) and if they continued on their merry way, they could've safely continued pedaling meth. It was really just a matter of what they believe was right.
It is however, ironic that Walter said no to this revenge ploy and yet his last moments involved a revenge ploy against Jack's gang.
Watching Season 3 back it’s kind of fucked up that Walt just brushes Combo’s death aside and literally could give two shits… Really telling about both Walt’s character and Jesse’s.
Walt gave zero fks about Jessie friend and even less about kids 😂😂😂
All Walt had to do was go along
Walt is actually right here
I fw jesse here he was tryna slide for his friend and stand on business lol
yeah u so gangsta messican u fw jesse bruh cuhh
@@dookcurruff9047 lmao you corny af i aint even mexican
Speak English dude
I wish he didn't tell walter and went through with it, i wonder if gus would have found out it was jesse
Its gus he probably would have found out anyway
Jesse would be dead, so he'd know.
Gus wouldn't. Ricin just looks like a bad flu and doesn't show up on a toxicology. He has way bigger things to worry about than a couple local dealers, so if he heard about it at all he'd probably just write it off as a coincidence. Even if he *did* have suspicions, it's already done and he has way bigger fish to fry, so he'd at most leave it be until the cartel's dealt with.
he probably would, (they needed to take Gale off the way sooner or later, but if they used the ricin, would have been obvious)but that's not the problem, Jesse was a loose cannon who was just causing problems for the sake of it, remember he was stealing from the lab without understanding the repercussions that might have on Walter and him, so, even if he had used it and do what he wanted, he later would have started another problem in the lab
Walter’s right. He and Jesse are nothing to these people, why rock the boat?
Jesse was ultimately the downfall of it all because he wanted to play "Lets have morals" in the drug trade business just so he could look at himself in the mirror everyday and try and convince himself he was not a bad guy.
This is correct except for the fact that Jesse was not trying to “convince himself he wasn’t a bad guy”, because he literally admitted he was a bad guy. Jesse was an idiot who did legitimately care about children and who was driven by revenge, and that’s what caused everyone’s downfall.
Them not having morals in the first place was their downfall.
In the end, the kid and both the drug dealers all died anyway
Jesse's logic was water tight. It was cheap of the writers to make Walt disagree just so they could surprise us with the twist
@jinglespringles840pretty sure it was sarcasm bro
@Bruce-j3fThis plan was pretty sound though. There would have been no way to trace it to him.
@@parkerboy795 they needed to take Gale down, the dealer and then Gale would have been quite suspicious for Gus ad Mike, they would have find out sooner or later
@@KellothKlinsmann This was before Gale, who definitely isn't a savvy criminal. Gus and Mike would have no way of knowing Jesse was involved.
Jesse gets too emotional.
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Giving Jesse a soft spot for kids was a good way of humanizing him in the early part of the series when you were kinda still on the fence about which direction his moral compass was pointing and just how far he could lose himself in this world before it cost him his soul.