15:34 Whine whine whine. Geez the defense attorney is full of excuses. No one ever said you had to defend your client alone. Get a second chair! She acts like she never tried a case before!
She's an expert in defending rapists in criminal sexual assault cases. She was the attorney for Larry Nassar. I don't know what she's doing on a shooting trial 🤦🏼♀️
She's completely animated. She grabs at her head and clutches herself and flails her arms around whenever she wants to drive home how frustrated she is. (The adult version of a kid stomping their feet and holding their breath until they're blue in the face).
And wonder what happened to her co-counsel who seems to have disappeared after the day she had her "oops" inappropriate comment about killing herself and her subsequent break down at the end of the day.
@@mariannewaldman8713 Her co-counsel is now defending Mr. Crumbley. The cases were only very recently separated once Jennifer Crumbley decided to blame it on her husband thus causing a conflict of interest. Now she is alone and cannot afford a co-counsel.
@croach2194 James's lawyer is the same one he's had since the beginning. Jennifer's lawyer and James lawyers were partners in the beginning. They split the firm last year. Then they stopped both representing them late last year and each one is separately defending one of the parents. James has the better representation... by far 🤣🤣🤣 She did have co-counsel 2 days ago...a man who did nothing
On Monday she was much better. She had got herself together over the weekend. Now she is starting to fall apart again. She is overwhelmed. The case is too big for her.
Defense attorney is ridiculous. Can't roll with anything, is ill-prepared and using objections and bitching to cover for her lack of preparation. The judge has had to guide her and be her co-counsel to try to avoid a mistrial and grounds for appeal. Literally appalling.
Mrs. Crumbly DOES seem irrated by all accounts and what we have seen on video. What a selfish reaction. "This inconvenients me." Pretty sure I'd be inconsolable.
I think the defense is doing a horrible job and is extremely unprofessional… all she does is complain…. She does have help behind her. She has one or two paralegals behind her which is more then a lot of defense attys have during a trial…There are judges that would not allow an attorney to conduct themself in the way she has, objecting and complaining and making false accusations about the prosecution throughout the entire trial ..This judge wants to move this case along , but there are some judges that would not tolerate her behavior in their courtroom. The procesution has bent over backwards , trying to accommodate this woman.. She is a chronic complainer who acts like she’s the only atty who’s ever tried a case by themselves and nothing could be further from the truth. If she came to work prepared, it wouldn’t matter how many people were on the other side ..
@@maxineismyhero When Jennifer said, "I trust her," I got choked on my water. She's not only clueless about her kid, I see, but just a generally poor judge of character.
Man Alive! I thought the defense attorney was suffering from a wedgie when she dug her hands down into the back of her skirt to grovel around w/whatever was disrupting her train of thought.
The conduct of the defense attorney is losing her clients case, her argumentative attitude is not a good look for the jurors. Attorneys win cases not the evidence.
I don’t think she has any interest in winning the case. She got her money as nobody else would touch this case with a 10 foot pole. She’s going through the motions. She known to take these cases that nobody wants.
@@1w598selling their family home and their horses. They have nothing left. This attorney takes all the unwanted cases in Michigan. Their other option would have been a public attorney
Why Would Anyone Buy a 14 year old kid a gun? Hunting? But you don’t let them keep it and know how to get it other then when it’s time to use it! But you don’t buy you kid a pistol 🔫 and let him keep it with No lock 🔒 on it, I think it’s ok to let him learn how to use it or to go hunting with it,But,,both the parents knew he had full custody of the pistol 🔫. And you don’t hunt with a pistol 🔫 here in Michigan. I believe in having guns, But you don’t buy a kid a pistol 🔫 and let them keep it with out it being lock 🔒.
She is so unprofessional… this case is difficult already… why did she take a high profile case… that she had no manpower for…? The she expects everyone to cater to her… me, me, me… I need, I feel, I want… I think… 😟
She had a partner and they split so the partner can do her husbands case. However when this case first came to court, she was the same. Disorganized and whiny.
After hearing from the firefighter, my opinion is she gave him (the shooter) a gun in hopes that he would use it on himself. She planted the suicide seed when she lied about the friend that was sent for treatment. Also appears as she wanted sympathy from coworkers and acquaintances about her weird unstable child, and the issues that she had to deal with. why else would you sent copies of that massive warning sign (the math assignment) to people you’re not close to ?
Right, no shame at all! I would’ve been embarrassed to send that to my friends and boss. The only person who would’ve seen it is the pastor and psychiatrist. I wouldn’t even want my family to know about the drawing but she sent it to EVERYONE even the owner of the horse stable. She said this is what I’m dealing with as if she was the one suffering not him
Bingo! I've been saying the same thing since it first happened, regarding her hoping her son would commit suicide with that gun. She clearly didn't wanna be bothered with him & his dad anymore, with her new swinger lifestyle. She was totally planting seeds to the people around her & wanting them to feel bad for her. Knowing she lied about his friend committing suicide, reiterates my theory. You can even hear her say something in the back of the Police car about her son "turning the gun on himself", but it's difficult to hear it all.
The 3 of them should have been attending a good church regularly. In that region there are some wonderful churches. Ethan would have made some good friends & had a youth pastor to help him with his problems. The parents could have learned how to be parents from reading the Bible & being around other parents who would never abandon their kids to do selfish & frivolous things with their time & money.
The same thing happened throughout the Alex Murdaugh trial. If I'd have been the judge, I'd have told the hackers (who often drowned out what was being said) to leave the courtroom and stop disrupting the proceedings. Just like I had to stop watching the testimony in this trial when the teacher took the stand to relate her actions, immediately after she realized there was an active shooter in the school when someone within earshot of the microphone could be heard crying & sniffling back their snot throughout the testimony. This is a court of law. Not your living room! Get a grip, people!
I’m getting tired of this judge stepping in to ask questions instead of making the defense come up with a better question. It’s like she’s scared to ruffle any feathers. She’s scared the defense will raise her voice and start complaining. Get a backbone judge!! SMFH
It was a “gift” but the gun came with conditions, he could use it in the company of a parent , at a shooting range. He wasn’t handed the gun to do as he pleases.
@@JenniferLynnDicksonthis was covered yesterday FYI, it was in an unlocked cabinet where his father’s clothes were and he knew where it was and had access to both the gun and the ammunition in addition to the other two guns he didn’t take to the crime. They found the original box the gun came it hen it was purchased tucked in a kitchen island. The FREE gun lock came provided by the gun store was still in its original packaging and had never been used or opened. The guns were basically where he knew they would be unlocked and unsecured. The other 2 guns were in a safety case with the default gun combination lock of 000, which all three of them testified on separate interviews with police that they knew the combination for the case was still at 000. Very easy to get to and use if he had wanted to use them as well. I do believe that is the prosecutions point. They never made the effort to keep ANY of the guns they wounded out of Ethans hands.
It’s so obvious they were NOT running, they were terrified and already had a plan with their lawyer to come in the morning. Why did they bother hiring a lawyer if they were not going to be there?
@@hollymeredith4148 When you’re going to police, you go there! Not to an Art Gallery you’ve never been to before!! Oh, and that also 1 reason she’s found guilty on all 4 charges. But you keep defending her. You have 60 as I count.
@@Dijabril They have the texts to their lawyer and the lawyer said she had been arranging things for a morning appt at the court. Why do people not understand they were terrified of death threats and of losing their phones again? They even have the texts of her talking about going to see the horse farm girl. They were just trying not to be confronted by the public. What the news or other officers know is not always what the actual people involved with the arrangements know.
@@hollymeredith4148 Get Real. You drive to nearest Police station and turn yourself in!! Keep your smoke and mirrors. They were not wanted by INTERPOL! 🤦🏽♂️
@@hollymeredith4148 Get Real. You drive to nearest Police station and turn yourself in!! Keep your smoke and mirrors. They were not wanted by INTERPOL! 🤦🏽♂️
The defense attorney just keeps going… Not that that should be the attention of the trial but I kinda look forward to see how bad she’s going to act from day to day
I’m so glad that my now adult children are no longer in elementary, middle and high school. I do believe that our school personnel and School officers would have been way more proactive and protective of our students and their school environment, if this scenario had all played out in our school districts. I know because they were very strict and suspension was swiftly done for school violations that were of varying degree that wasn’t even at this level. No tolerance at our school. Period.
The counsellor said there were no disciplinary problems with Ethan. They were worried he was suicidal and you can only suspend for disciplinary reasons. Given the parents behaviour and their refusal to take him home and the information the school did not have about the gun, they did all they could.
Worst part of this trial is the Defense attorney.....and the Judge placating to her. Defense attorney always plays the victim, blames everyone else, wasting time....... it's highly repulsive
They said he has a medical condition or sensitivity, and was not wearing it to be disrespectful. The attorney mentioned it before he started, but sometimes it is hard to hear them.
Definitely. She has gained a lot of weight and she doesn’t appear, on other days of the trial, to even brush her hair. Not sure if that is on purpose or not.
@@BLUEGREEN65well the defence and judge were caught on mic discussing the defence buying the defendant warm clothes then they worked out they could be heard on the mic This judge is so unprofessional
@@loopy1159 the judge wasn’t discussing clothes. The defence was sending a voice note about the clothes. The judge simply warned her that the cameras were on. The judge was most likely made aware of two other hot mic situations the defence attorney had earlier in the day - one on the phone about sliding her car in to a ditch on the way to court and not being able to support her daughter who had nobody to sit with at lunch because she ‘has enough going on’ along with a few other things that I’d be embarrassed to be caught saying on a live stream… and I can’t remember the other one but it was in the first half of the day before this.
Shannon is still so busy with preparation she is not even listening. I felt sorry for her sitting all by herself before court. Ir ia much too big a trial for one person. I do not know whether she should have anticipated that. I think the information from the parents to Ethan immediately when they heard indicates they knew more about his mental health than they admitted to. How can something a witness himself says be hearsay? Both prosecutor and defence female lawyers need to learn to leave their hair alone when addressing witnesses if not all the time.
@@Brooke00755 The separation of the two cases left her without assistance. I do not know how she thought she could manage a huge precedent setting trial like this alone.
They don't have me completely convinced that they were planning to run. They could easily make the argued that they needed a few days to wrap their minds around what was happening. However, whether they were running or not doesn't speak to whether they were negligent and complicit in the shooting.
@@christyg3013that text is in the next livestream @1:33:33 it was the text right after she told her boyfriend that they were being charged with involuntary manslaughter.
Ms. Shannon isn't likeable, appears to be either incompetent, or way over her head. When moms Crumbley gets convicted she'll appeal..Ineffective counsel.
She’s not ineffective. While I feel that her client is responsible she has a difficult case to prove. It’s easy for non-lawyers who don’t know all the complexities of law to slam her.
For everyone saying the parents were not to blame In a journal found by police in his backpack, the shooter wrote his parents wouldn’t listen to his pleas for help.
@@63076topher All I know is I don't want to watch any of her son's trial. I heard enough to know he's a monster. His parents are a couple of completely despicable characters, too! All mom cares about is how many calories there are in a PB & J sandwich, compared to a baloney sandwich! They all make me sick.
@@isabellind1292 I am talking about what came out the second part of this day after the defense decided she did not want to keep a ruling she made in their favor. Not trying to spoil it if you have not seen it.
@@dyaneweber5884he's sticking up for himself against the nut job defence. Good on him it's about time. The judge will be lucky if it's not a mistrial she's helping the nutter instead of staying impartial They are both unbelievable unprofessional and rude
I think it's more for everyone involved, there are threats to everyone, judge, proscuters, Mrs. Crumbley, defense, parents, witnesses, jury. It's a high profile.
No She's getting paid it's her job. If she didn't scare that dude off with her erratic behaviour , she would have had help. She's so rude and the judge is working with her which is even more unprofessional than the defences bizarre childish antics
Likely the best available. If you think this is bad, the Law and Crime stream is atrocious! White exposure is off the charts and the mics are worse places picking up all the shuffling papers far worse than this stream.
The judge is very biased towards the defence side. she practically ignored the testimony of the building guy that turned them in, very rude to be reading through his testimony.
1:20 This attorney needs to stop with the “ I’m doing this on my own” shit…she’s been an attorney for a long time, but she took on this case and after defending Larry Nasser she absolutely knew what this case would entail! She’s constantly trying to make the court give her leeway and consideration because she’s working the case alone - that’s HER choice…. I guarantee she has paralegals, secretaries or assistance….She is just a whiney baby who acts like she’s fighting the GREAT STATE with all its infinite resources….shes had this case for over two years and should be prepared for anything , any witness, any evidence ….shes ridiculous…..and I don’t understand why she thinks her outburst, interruptions and yelling is professional or beneficial to her case in any way……although I will say the Judge is coddling her and seems like she’s connecting with her on some “ sisterhood of Female attorneys” crap….
That and the fact that the parents supplied the gun. The kid begged and begged for help and the parents ignored it all, even when the school was concerned. They didn't have the time to get him to therapy. They are really dumb people, but I'm not sure if it's enough to convict her. She will be testifying and I'll be interested to hear what she has to say.
Good point. In my opinion minors should never be considered adults since the reason they are considered children is because their brains are not fully developed. Committing a horrendous act does not mean they suddenly have fully developed brains. And this child gave ample warning that his brain was troubled.
AGREED! that’s double dipping for sure. Same as BS statutory rape charges. It’s law because their brains are not fully developed so they can’t make responsible decisions and be held accountable. Yet we charge kids as adults for murder /other crimes all the time. Our criminal law/judicial system is a joke. Like giving Ariel Castro life + 1,000 years for his heinous crimes. Seriously? Or letting Raymond riles sit on death row for 49 years. People just want to see someone pay, cops want to burn someone for the crime and the media wants the juiciest story. Shes innocent until proven guilty except she’s been in jail for 2 years and is shackled like a serial killer. They can’t catch the smart criminals so they’ll snag anyone they can. Sonow what should we expect these parents of victims of school shootings, where the shooter died to demand the shooters’ parents be tried? No way could they have foreseen this. If ANYONE should have taken notice it was the school. They are trained to look for these things. The SCHOOL is who failed the victims. Kids spend 40+ hours at school a week. I have school age kids and I 100% would be blaming the school if this happened here, blaming the TRAINED people who should notice this.
Jury’s decision are based on evidence and how the court actors show the evidence. Based on that theory….the defense attorney and her demeanor is going to convict her client. She is wicked and appears to not have a great deal of experience.
To add to that point, they gave him alcohol and Xanax to medicate his depression. They knew what was going on. They KNEW!!! We cannot look at this evidence and say they didn’t know he was mentally challenged and went on to place a deadly weapon in his hands unmonitored. We haven’t even touched on his deranged notebook detailing his kill plan
This court proceeding is not professional or controlled by the Judge, prosecutors, and defense attorney. Lots of red flags for an appeal. Wonder how their words and actions will all be taken into account when the jury deliberates this case and can figure out the ebb and flow of what their decisions will come to an unanimous verdict.
@Annie497 Follow the law She's having a luv fest with the defence She may as well be sitting at the defence table. Absolute unprofessional and she's lucky not to cause a mistrial. Worst judge ever
Everyone hating on this defense attorney but really she’s got the easiest job in the room. She collects $200k to represent a case nobody else would want to touch and she has no incentive to do the work. She’s playing this field pretty well if you ask me. And she gets more money with appeals
Who's paying the defense attorney $200K on Jennifer's paltry wages whose husband was a dead beat who couldn't get out of bed in the morning? Did she represent her pro-bono? Or did she use the monies she asked her husband to open a Gofundme account for because she wanted to tug at everyone's heartstrings by claiming they had no money to feed her horses to pay for her attorney?
Just because the news and prosecution framed it that they were on the run, doesn't make it so. Evidence is showing they were not trying to run. They were receiving threats and also had the right to leave their home before they were ever charged. The burner phone- they were told to get by police after theirs were taken. They left their home long before the warrant went out. Parents are not usually charged for school shootings so they would have no reason to believe they would be charged. Their attorney was trying to connect with the prosecution yet she was ignored. This is why it's important to not listen to a narrative and wait until all facts come out in trial.
🇨🇦 mom & grandma here 🙋🏻♀️ we would have gave them back to you, lol in a chat room I’m in there was a couple that w found out they were pregnant, they made plans and moved to Canada, they were terrified to send their kids school in the US and they preferred our safer schools and gun laws. We have firearm crime here, but nothing like down South. It breaks my heart when there’s a school shooting. We hunt, have firearms, just have stricter rules.
The attorney needs to keep her voice down and mute the microphone. Everyone there can hear her talking to her client. Frankly, I think she wants everyone to hear her. I think it’s being streamed by a pool videographer who disseminates it to all the interested media. She is very unprofessional, in my opinion.😮
I think the parents should only be charged with medical neglect for refusing to get him checked 2x for head injury, but has the state given him an MRI now and with failing to secure the firearm. It’s very obvious Ethan fooled everyone and the parents only had two hours to process a drawing on a math paper. Why would she ever think it meant more than about the argument the night before? She was worried about it enough to start talking to others about it. She was concerned. Ethan knew he “almost” got caught, so he decided to do it then. The parents didn’t chose this, not are they a danger to the public, it’s the opposite, they are in danger.
@@63076topher Maybe he had asked for help earlier in his life, but in the video the night before he apologizes to his parents for tricking him into trusting him. So he hid his mental health danger from them in order to get them to buy him a gun. Also, parents would destroy their relationship with their kid by reading their journal. And who didn’t just purge all their exaggerations in their teen journals? Kids wrote all sorts of things that are not true in their journals. But, I see an intentional effort of Ethan here to blame his parents. I think getting parents held accountable for bad parenting for his childhood and also the childhoods of all other school Shooters, was his intent. I think it definitely was thought out and his deviant plan actually worked. His parents are the first being held accountable for this. This will wale some parents up and possibly get help for other kids like him. I think this was his plan and it was why he was hinting that the shooting “had to be done” and he thought it was the only way to use his life to do something worthwhile, for the good of society. Why else would he think it was good to shoot people? Why would he think this would have some sort of positive impact? It’s horrific, but look what is happening to his parents and the national awareness of parental negligence and mental health awareness. I think he thought this out that far and he exaggerated in his journal and also dropped those school Hints to make the adults at that school suffer more. Like he fooled them all. “Wake up people, and pay attention to suffering kids and red flags.” Sure his parents sucked and were negligent, but I doubt any truth about his endless cries for help bc of what he said in his video. The video contradicts the journal.
@@hollymeredith4148 Lies he would it tell his friend text his parents and write in the journal that he wanted he did not. We have proof of moms lies about the afar taking away his gun the night before listen to her cross examination she said they took away the shooting range AND THE GUN less than a minute later she said she didn’t say they took away the gun. She lied about being asleep when police came to arrest them HER phone was used to text the lawyers.
@@63076topher His story in his journal doesn’t match his apology to his parents for tricking them into trusting him. He clearly wrote one thing in his journal, blaming his parents, but lied to them that he was fine to get the gun. It’s so obvious. Talking about ghosts and poltergeist activity actually can be messing around and/or real, and not indicating psychosis. I’ve played Ouija board and then had a toilet flush on its own in a room when I was alone. So that is a thing. I’ve had objects move and other things also. So have other people. Not crazy. People do have activity like that. People that haven’t, obviously it sounds crazy.
They were negligent it is a crime to neglect a child but how many times have you heard cps actually taking children for this reason, when it was said that about her son to the detective that he deserves to suffer that shows right their who she is. I think charging with manslaughter no, but neglect and fleeing from police instead of going right then and there to turn themselves in, I mean obviously they were in Detroit Canada bridge isn’t far from their whatsoever I get and I’ve been to the point where I want to run as I had people attacking me on social media people I had no clue existed but the end justifies the means
What points has she made? Restating obvious text messages and asking “correct” is not making an argument. She has failed to refute any assertions made by the prosecution and that is why they’re not interjecting much because she’s not making any points in her cross
I believe the lawyer said he has a sensitivity to light. So I believe the brim of the hat assists him. It’s not meant to be disrespectful. Better than wearing sunglasses as at least you can still see his eyes.
Why isn't anyone not check the backpack? I mean school staff, detectives, and especially the so call parents who bought him a gun?? 😵💫 It's really no-brainer!
@@angyQ6379 they didn’t flee either. They got away from their residence and town because of the media and the devastation. They could not possibly have stayed at their home. They had contacted their attorney and agreed they would turn themselves in which was being worked out with the prosecutors.
@@angyQ6379where’d he get it from? The sky? It was a joint decision by the parents to purchase him the gun. Text messages show that Jen asked her husband if we got it and the amount. She was in on the purchase
I'm thinking if she is found guilty it should be the max 5 years in view of the fact there are four victims families. With time served credited and time off for good behaviour she will soon be out and the families will feel they have had some sort of justice.
@@lanielouwrapsthis will set presidense. Loot at the boy that stabbed the 13 year old to death, and his mom tried to was the blood out of his jeans, she charged. Parents won’t let the school discipline their kids, them they better step up and be parents, teach their kids right from wrong, be involved in their lives, hold their kids accountable and be accountable themselves.
I like the defense attorney. I however think the sui*ide comment was terrible and there’s times she does get a little disrespectful to the court. However there’s so much more here. The prosecutor has been horrible to her specifically Karen( nice name). Search Oxford shooting whistleblowers.
15:34 Whine whine whine. Geez the defense attorney is full of excuses. No one ever said you had to defend your client alone. Get a second chair!
She acts like she never tried a case before!
She's an expert in defending rapists in criminal sexual assault cases. She was the attorney for Larry Nassar. I don't know what she's doing on a shooting trial 🤦🏼♀️
Crumbley cannot afford a second chair. Shannon Smith is not a public defender, she has been hired by Crumbley.
@@croach2194 she had another lawyer sitting by her in day 1 and 2. Did he quit?
@isabelamogosanu7777 was she really the attorney for Nassar?!
@@deannamarie8389 yep you can Google it yourself. Shannon Smith.
The defense attorney acts like a child throwing a tantrum instead of acting professional.
What kind of law do you practice?
Why doesn’t the judge rein in the child???
This judge is too laid back. Judge Judy wouldn't allow these shenanigans.
Shannon is very well liked. Check out her website
The prosecutor is a prick
Do defense attorneys generally act this way? What can't she deal with?
Seems that she can’t deal with ANYTHING geeez
Because they have a defensive mentality. It's a show for the jury to emphasize their role of defend & fend for their client.
She's completely animated. She grabs at her head and clutches herself and flails her arms around whenever she wants to drive home how frustrated she is. (The adult version of a kid stomping their feet and holding their breath until they're blue in the face).
the defense attorney has anger issues. "im not doing this with you!" god she sounds so miserable to work with.
I think that's why she IS working alone. 😅😅😅
no kidding loli think she forgets this is live lol@@elanawilliams6148
@@elanawilliams6148haha! true! 😂
the defense attorney is insanely obnoxious
You said it!😮
She’s in the wrong line or work. Trial attorney does not seem like a good fit for her personality and style.
She appears a bit scattered, but i wouldn't say obnoxious.
Defense attorney is just so WHINNY she has had over 2 years to prepare for this case and can't seem to follow basic principals.
And wonder what happened to her co-counsel who seems to have disappeared after the day she had her "oops" inappropriate comment about killing herself and her subsequent break down at the end of the day.
Love that they got all her antics on video with sound! 😂
@@mariannewaldman8713 Her co-counsel is now defending Mr. Crumbley. The cases were only very recently separated once Jennifer Crumbley decided to blame it on her husband thus causing a conflict of interest. Now she is alone and cannot afford a co-counsel.
@croach2194 James's lawyer is the same one he's had since the beginning. Jennifer's lawyer and James lawyers were partners in the beginning. They split the firm last year. Then they stopped both representing them late last year and each one is separately defending one of the parents. James has the better representation... by far 🤣🤣🤣 She did have co-counsel 2 days ago...a man who did nothing
@@mariannewaldman8713he looked totally embarrassed
Has this defense attorney not learned her lesson about not talking so loud with cameras on?
I missed it. What'd she say this time?
On Monday she was much better. She had got herself together over the weekend. Now she is starting to fall apart again. She is overwhelmed. The case is too big for her.
Yesterday when she was yelling about how soup is the only food that goes down her esophagus. I lost my marbles, she's a hoot.
Only soup for the esophagus because she can't stomach the truth. Did the judge mention if she wanted to try her home cooked soup
@@croach2194not really it's all an act and the judge is falling for it hook line and sinker
Defense attorney is ridiculous. Can't roll with anything, is ill-prepared and using objections and bitching to cover for her lack of preparation. The judge has had to guide her and be her co-counsel to try to avoid a mistrial and grounds for appeal. Literally appalling.
What about the whining guy on the prosecutor?
I think its about time he stuck up for himself. The defence and the judge are unprofessional @@carolynsears1710
To be emotionally erratic and a defense attorney is insane 🥴
And her comment in front of the VICTIMS and the jury the other day about killing herself bc she couldn’t get a PowerPoint to work!!!! 😵 😮😮
@@k8mcawesome Woah. Relax. Lol
Mrs. Crumbly DOES seem irrated by all accounts and what we have seen on video. What a selfish reaction. "This inconvenients me." Pretty sure I'd be inconsolable.
This defense lawyer is absolutely AWFUL......
Crumbley's attorney has the sound of desperation, not confidence "No, wait, stop, unfair, help!"
And “sorry”
She is apologetic. I don't know if this woman is guilty or not but her lawyer is a mess. @@gegibethea8940
Why does defense attorney talk so loud? You hear everything she says to her client.
her hands driving me nuts!
@@melissaforbing7095Her hands? What do you mean.
I think the defense is doing a horrible job and is extremely unprofessional… all she does is complain…. She does have help behind her. She has one or two paralegals behind her which is more then a lot of defense attys have during a trial…There are judges that would not allow an attorney to conduct themself in the way she has, objecting and complaining and making false accusations about the prosecution throughout the entire trial ..This judge wants to move this case along , but there are some judges that would not tolerate her behavior in their courtroom. The procesution has bent over backwards , trying to accommodate this woman.. She is a chronic complainer who acts like she’s the only atty who’s ever tried a case by themselves and nothing could be further from the truth. If she came to work prepared, it wouldn’t matter how many people were on the other side ..
Wah wah wah. "I don't want this court to be mad at me." This defense attorney is such a baby.
Right? What professional keeps saying this?
Whilst making everyone mad at her for whining about not wanting everyone to be mad at her. You can't make this s**t up 😂
@@maxineismyhero When Jennifer said, "I trust her," I got choked on my water. She's not only clueless about her kid, I see, but just a generally poor judge of character.
Man Alive! I thought the defense attorney was suffering from a wedgie when she dug her hands down into the back of her skirt to grovel around w/whatever was disrupting her train of thought.
The conduct of the defense attorney is losing her clients case, her argumentative attitude is not a good look for the jurors. Attorneys win cases not the evidence.
I don’t think she has any interest in winning the case. She got her money as nobody else would touch this case with a 10 foot pole. She’s going through the motions. She known to take these cases that nobody wants.
@@Bav92 Where did she get money? I'm sincerely wondering how she's getting paid.
@@1w598selling their family home and their horses. They have nothing left. This attorney takes all the unwanted cases in Michigan. Their other option would have been a public attorney
Reason to fight to get retrial. Ineffective council
yeah exactly, apparently she defended Larry Nassar and that says a lot @@Bav92
YO, defense lawyer - it’s called ‘doing your job’
Why Would Anyone Buy a 14 year old kid a gun? Hunting? But you don’t let them keep it and know how to get it other then when it’s time to use it! But you don’t buy you kid a pistol 🔫 and let him keep it with No lock 🔒 on it, I think it’s ok to let him learn how to use it or to go hunting with it,But,,both the parents knew he had full custody of the pistol 🔫. And you don’t hunt with a pistol 🔫 here in Michigan. I believe in having guns, But you don’t buy a kid a pistol 🔫 and let them keep it with out it being lock 🔒.
She is so unprofessional… this case is difficult already… why did she take a high profile case… that she had no manpower for…? The she expects everyone to cater to her… me, me, me… I need, I feel, I want… I think… 😟
She had a partner and they split so the partner can do her husbands case. However when this case first came to court, she was the same. Disorganized and whiny.
After hearing from the firefighter, my opinion is she gave him (the shooter) a gun in hopes that he would use it on himself. She planted the suicide seed when she lied about the friend that was sent for treatment. Also appears as she wanted sympathy from coworkers and acquaintances about her weird unstable child, and the issues that she had to deal with. why else would you sent copies of that massive warning sign (the math assignment) to people you’re not close to ?
Right, no shame at all! I would’ve been embarrassed to send that to my friends and boss. The only person who would’ve seen it is the pastor and psychiatrist. I wouldn’t even want my family to know about the drawing but she sent it to EVERYONE even the owner of the horse stable. She said this is what I’m dealing with as if she was the one suffering not him
That could very well be.
Bingo! I've been saying the same thing since it first happened, regarding her hoping her son would commit suicide with that gun. She clearly didn't wanna be bothered with him & his dad anymore, with her new swinger lifestyle. She was totally planting seeds to the people around her & wanting them to feel bad for her. Knowing she lied about his friend committing suicide, reiterates my theory. You can even hear her say something in the back of the Police car about her son "turning the gun on himself", but it's difficult to hear it all.
The 3 of them should have been attending a good church regularly. In that region there are some wonderful churches. Ethan would have made some good friends & had a youth pastor to help him with his problems. The parents could have learned how to be parents from reading the Bible & being around other parents who would never abandon their kids to do selfish & frivolous things with their time & money.
The amount of coughing in this courtroom is absolutely insane
Really? I didn't even notice any. Lol
The same thing happened throughout the Alex Murdaugh trial. If I'd have been the judge, I'd have told the hackers (who often drowned out what was being said) to leave the courtroom and stop disrupting the proceedings.
Just like I had to stop watching the testimony in this trial when the teacher took the stand to relate her actions, immediately after she realized there was an active shooter in the school when someone within earshot of the microphone could be heard crying & sniffling back their snot throughout the testimony.
This is a court of law. Not your living room! Get a grip, people!
I’m getting tired of this judge stepping in to ask questions instead of making the defense come up with a better question. It’s like she’s scared to ruffle any feathers. She’s scared the defense will raise her voice and start complaining. Get a backbone judge!! SMFH
Totally
They gifted him a gun then said he stole it how do you steal your own GIFT
He "stole it" from the gun safe that didn't even have a passcode on it. It was still on the factory setting of 000
@@isabelamogosanu7777 wasn't in a safe - was in a drawer
It was a “gift” but the gun came with conditions, he could use it in the company of a parent , at a shooting range. He wasn’t handed the gun to do as he pleases.
@@JenniferLynnDicksonthis was covered yesterday FYI, it was in an unlocked cabinet where his father’s clothes were and he knew where it was and had access to both the gun and the ammunition in addition to the other two guns he didn’t take to the crime. They found the original box the gun came it hen it was purchased tucked in a kitchen island. The FREE gun lock came provided by the gun store was still in its original packaging and had never been used or opened. The guns were basically where he knew they would be unlocked and unsecured. The other 2 guns were in a safety case with the default gun combination lock of 000, which all three of them testified on separate interviews with police that they knew the combination for the case was still at 000. Very easy to get to and use if he had wanted to use them as well. I do believe that is the prosecutions point. They never made the effort to keep ANY of the guns they wounded out of Ethans hands.
@@JenniferLynnDicksonmy mistakes. Thanks
“One man show” that is not the court or prosecutors issue. It’s yours Miss Defense.
The Crumbley’s were found on da run by an alert citizen! If you’re innocent ask for police protection from the threats against you.
It’s so obvious they were NOT running, they were terrified and already had a plan with their lawyer to come in the morning. Why did they bother hiring a lawyer if they were not going to be there?
@@hollymeredith4148 When you’re going to police, you go there! Not to an Art Gallery you’ve never been to before!! Oh, and that also 1 reason she’s found guilty on all 4 charges. But you keep defending her. You have 60 as I count.
@@Dijabril They have the texts to their lawyer and the lawyer said she had been arranging things for a morning appt at the court. Why do people not understand they were terrified of death threats and of losing their phones again? They even have the texts of her talking about going to see the horse farm girl. They were just trying not to be confronted by the public. What the news or other officers know is not always what the actual people involved with the arrangements know.
@@hollymeredith4148 Get Real. You drive to nearest Police station and turn yourself in!! Keep your smoke and mirrors. They were not wanted by INTERPOL! 🤦🏽♂️
@@hollymeredith4148 Get Real. You drive to nearest Police station and turn yourself in!! Keep your smoke and mirrors. They were not wanted by INTERPOL! 🤦🏽♂️
I’m beginning to think this defence attorney went to the Darrel Brooks school of law 🤦🏻♀️
Same thought. “Grouns!”
lol “reason for the substain”
Stop it! 😂
Man, when it comes to this Defense Attorney, Shannon Smith, i think Thanos said it best...."Your demeanor is that of a pouty child" LOL sheesh....
Just heartbreaking for the victims and their families reliving their worst day of their whole world. My heart breaks for them all 💔💔
her hands flailing all over the place is extremely annoying! her acting like she has never been in a trial before is even more obnoxious!
Holy crap she’s nuts what a horrible defense attorney
FYI: I have two sets of headphones. The pair that is called the J90 Pro improve the sound dramatically.
The defense attorney just keeps going… Not that that should be the attention of the trial but I kinda look forward to see how bad she’s going to act from day to day
I can't stop watching her. This trial would be boring without her. Lol
Defense attorney is such a whiny baby
I’m so glad that my now adult children are no longer in elementary, middle and high school. I do believe that our school personnel and School officers would have been way more proactive and protective of our students and their school environment, if this scenario had all played out in our school districts. I know because they were very strict and suspension was swiftly done for school violations that were of varying degree that wasn’t even at this level. No tolerance at our school. Period.
I doubt anyone gets suspended for drawing a picture.
The counsellor said there were no disciplinary problems with Ethan. They were worried he was suicidal and you can only suspend for disciplinary reasons. Given the parents behaviour and their refusal to take him home and the information the school did not have about the gun, they did all they could.
@ellyrussell6814 my son and his friend got suspended for talking about a video game.
Dystopian world.@@deannamarie8389
true@@croach2194
Oh my God she is such a baby… I don’t want to get in trouble? How old are you?
Worst part of this trial is the Defense attorney.....and the Judge placating to her. Defense attorney always plays the victim, blames everyone else, wasting time....... it's highly repulsive
Take the Hat off
They said he has a medical condition or sensitivity, and was not wearing it to be disrespectful. The attorney mentioned it before he started, but sometimes it is hard to hear them.
I have seen so many trials, NEVER have I seen an attorney like this defense,
doesn't help that this judge is hugely enabling...,..WOW!
Note: defense attorney took the time to curl her hair for the cameras, but doesn't have time for preparation for the trial.....
Did the judge just say that? 2:44-45? Hey judge wake up!!! Oh my gosh! Can’t believe she actually said that.
Jennifer has totally changed in appearance.
Definitely. She has gained a lot of weight and she doesn’t appear, on other days of the trial, to even brush her hair. Not sure if that is on purpose or not.
Also, when someone is in jail and then have to appear in court, where do they get their clothes from?
@@BLUEGREEN65well the defence and judge were caught on mic discussing the defence buying the defendant warm clothes
then they worked out they could be heard on the mic
This judge is so unprofessional
@@loopy1159 the judge wasn’t discussing clothes. The defence was sending a voice note about the clothes. The judge simply warned her that the cameras were on.
The judge was most likely made aware of two other hot mic situations the defence attorney had earlier in the day - one on the phone about sliding her car in to a ditch on the way to court and not being able to support her daughter who had nobody to sit with at lunch because she ‘has enough going on’ along with a few other things that I’d be embarrassed to be caught saying on a live stream… and I can’t remember the other one but it was in the first half of the day before this.
Shannon is still so busy with preparation she is not even listening. I felt sorry for her sitting all by herself before court. Ir ia much too big a trial for one person. I do not know whether she should have anticipated that. I think the information from the parents to Ethan immediately when they heard indicates they knew more about his mental health than they admitted to. How can something a witness himself says be hearsay? Both prosecutor and defence female lawyers need to learn to leave their hair alone when addressing witnesses if not all the time.
I caught that too. I know that judge is annoyed with her.
The prosecution has been throwing stuff at her last minute for two years. Trust me there’s more to the story.
@@Brooke00755 The separation of the two cases left her without assistance. I do not know how she thought she could manage a huge precedent setting trial like this alone.
@@croach2194 You might be right.
Yes she should have anticipated it. This isn't her first major trial. She was Nasser's lawyer.
3:13 ohhhh myyyy GOSH Her tantrums are so aghhhhhhh
They don't have me completely convinced that they were planning to run. They could easily make the argued that they needed a few days to wrap their minds around what was happening. However, whether they were running or not doesn't speak to whether they were negligent and complicit in the shooting.
Text messages she said “We’re on the run again.” What is confusing about that statement 😐
@@luckylady2992 I don't recall hearing about that text. Where was that?
@@christyg3013 go back and listen to her texts with her lover. She told him they were on the run
I mean, they could be hiding from press. But why is she deleting messages? It makes it seem like they are going to run.
@@christyg3013that text is in the next livestream @1:33:33
it was the text right after she told her boyfriend that they were being charged with involuntary manslaughter.
Ms. Shannon isn't likeable, appears to be either incompetent, or way over her head. When moms Crumbley gets convicted she'll appeal..Ineffective counsel.
Way in over her head and blaming others for it.
She’s not ineffective. While I feel that her client is responsible she has a difficult case to prove. It’s easy for non-lawyers who don’t know all the complexities of law to slam her.
Ms Smith seems very high strung and you’re right it’s not doing her client any favors.
If she does appeal, she will have to go with a court appointed lawyer as she spent everything on this lawyer. $200,000.00 from what I’ve read.
@@croach2194 she should've had a second chair.. but her greed won't allow it.
For everyone saying the parents were not to blame
In a journal found by police in his backpack, the shooter wrote his parents wouldn’t listen to his pleas for help.
I wouldn't doubt his mother knew he was torturing and killing small animals and why she didn't want him around her horses.
@@isabellind1292Have you gotten to one of the reasons she may be going to the barn yet? It was never mentioned but not sure if it was a excuse used.
@@63076topher All I know is I don't want to watch any of her son's trial. I heard enough to know he's a monster. His parents are a couple of completely despicable characters, too! All mom cares about is how many calories there are in a PB & J sandwich, compared to a baloney sandwich! They all make me sick.
@@isabellind1292 I am talking about what came out the second part of this day after the defense decided she did not want to keep a ruling she made in their favor. Not trying to spoil it if you have not seen it.
Guilty
I’m not sure who is more incompetent- the defense or the judge- terrible!!!
It has been a different type of trial. Crazy like a fox?
Totally
The prosecution team seems pretty non-collegial. The lady prosecutor is better, but the guy strikes me as pretty arrogant.
I so agree with this! He is rude and snappy. To me horrible unprofessional
Marc comes off as a arrogant prick
yes, he constantly interrupts defense and even judge, then when he is speaking snaps "I'm not finished"
@@dyaneweber5884he's sticking up for himself against the nut job defence.
Good on him it's about time. The judge will be lucky if it's not a mistrial she's helping the nutter instead of staying impartial
They are both unbelievable unprofessional and rude
Omg all those officers for two people who didn’t physically commit a crime? That’s f-ing ridiculous.
I think it's more for everyone involved, there are threats to everyone, judge, proscuters, Mrs. Crumbley, defense, parents, witnesses, jury. It's a high profile.
Has it occurred to anyone that maybe the prosecutor is being less than professional with his witness order, etc?
No
She's getting paid it's her job.
If she didn't scare that dude off with her erratic behaviour , she would have had help.
She's so rude and the judge is working with her which is even more unprofessional than the defences bizarre childish antics
He is not required to tell her who he is calling. It’s a courtesy to even give her a possible list.
@@curlyqnpr and now he asked today and she isn’t either 😂
@@loopy1159 😂😂😂
I’ve been listening for days. I’m still annoyed that the sound isn’t better. Can’t someone do something about that?
Likely the best available. If you think this is bad, the Law and Crime stream is atrocious! White exposure is off the charts and the mics are worse places picking up all the shuffling papers far worse than this stream.
@@Ebiru2387 And Law and Crime has that annoying beep through all the breaks.
Agreed sound is horrible and it's infuriating
Defense atty acts like an entitled brat!
The judge is very biased towards the defence side. she practically ignored the testimony of the building guy that turned them in, very rude to be reading through his testimony.
I am a one man show, whose fault is that Miss Smith??
1:20 This attorney needs to stop with the “ I’m doing this on my own” shit…she’s been an attorney for a long time, but she took on this case and after defending Larry Nasser she absolutely knew what this case would entail! She’s constantly trying to make the court give her leeway and consideration because she’s working the case alone - that’s HER choice…. I guarantee she has paralegals, secretaries or assistance….She is just a whiney baby who acts like she’s fighting the GREAT STATE with all its infinite resources….shes had this case for over two years and should be prepared for anything , any witness, any evidence ….shes ridiculous…..and I don’t understand why she thinks her outburst, interruptions and yelling is professional or beneficial to her case in any way……although I will say the Judge is coddling her and seems like she’s connecting with her on some “ sisterhood of Female attorneys” crap….
How can they try the shooter as an adult and then turn around and try to convict the parents bc he’s a minor?
They are trying him as an adult because of the crimes. Although he is still a minor with regards to his age.
That and the fact that the parents supplied the gun. The kid begged and begged for help and the parents ignored it all, even when the school was concerned. They didn't have the time to get him to therapy. They are really dumb people, but I'm not sure if it's enough to convict her. She will be testifying and I'll be interested to hear what she has to say.
They are going to. He convicted because they tried to. Hide after it happen
Good point. In my opinion minors should never be considered adults since the reason they are considered children is because their brains are not fully developed. Committing a horrendous act does not mean they suddenly have fully developed brains. And this child gave ample warning that his brain was troubled.
AGREED! that’s double dipping for sure. Same as BS statutory rape charges. It’s law because their brains are not fully developed so they can’t make responsible decisions and be held accountable. Yet we charge kids as adults for murder /other crimes all the time. Our criminal law/judicial system is a joke. Like giving Ariel Castro life + 1,000 years for his heinous crimes. Seriously? Or letting Raymond riles sit on death row for 49 years. People just want to see someone pay, cops want to burn someone for the crime and the media wants the juiciest story. Shes innocent until proven guilty except she’s been in jail for 2 years and is shackled like a serial killer. They can’t catch the smart criminals so they’ll snag anyone they can. Sonow what should we expect these parents of victims of school shootings, where the shooter died to demand the shooters’ parents be tried? No way could they have foreseen this. If ANYONE should have taken notice it was the school. They are trained to look for these things. The SCHOOL is who failed the victims. Kids spend 40+ hours at school a week. I have school age kids and I 100% would be blaming the school if this happened here, blaming the TRAINED people who should notice this.
The defense attorney asks the dumbest question.
Jury’s decision are based on evidence and how the court actors show the evidence. Based on that theory….the defense attorney and her demeanor is going to convict her client. She is wicked and appears to not have a great deal of experience.
Defense attorney could be a double for Pam on The Office..
I thought the exact same thing. From a far she’s a dead ringer but not up close
Except, I like Office Pam.
Pam is likeable
@LisaH921 yeah I know right!!
Give her a break ,she s on her own fighting to keep her client from jail time. She s doing her best 🥺
It's her job she's getting paid big bucks
I'd be asking for my money back
She's a dud
Well said!
if this is doing her best, i'd hate to see what her worst is! 😳
This verdict will set a precedent! Careful what you wish for.
I agree!!
A precedent that if you give your mentally ill child a firearm then you can be held criminally liable? That's a good a legal precedent.
To add to that point, they gave him alcohol and Xanax to medicate his depression. They knew what was going on. They KNEW!!! We cannot look at this evidence and say they didn’t know he was mentally challenged and went on to place a deadly weapon in his hands unmonitored. We haven’t even touched on his deranged notebook detailing his kill plan
The defense attorneys voice is SOO whiny and annoying !! Ugh ..I would pull my hair out not having to listen to that cry baby
Defense is suchaaaaa baby
i hate this judge
Why?
This court proceeding is not professional or controlled by the Judge, prosecutors, and defense attorney. Lots of red flags for an appeal. Wonder how their words and actions will all be taken into account when the jury deliberates this case and can figure out the ebb and flow of what their decisions will come to an unanimous verdict.
@Annie497
Follow the law
She's having a luv fest with the defence
She may as well be sitting at the defence table.
Absolute unprofessional and she's lucky not to cause a mistrial.
Worst judge ever
exactly!! shes just letting them yell and bicker at each other. shes being walked all over. @@ellyrussell6814
Since when a hat is allowed in court
He was given permission. He may be a cancer patient who has a wig and uses the hat to keep the wig on.
Everyone hating on this defense attorney but really she’s got the easiest job in the room. She collects $200k to represent a case nobody else would want to touch and she has no incentive to do the work. She’s playing this field pretty well if you ask me. And she gets more money with appeals
$200? That's it? I'm sincerely wondering how she's getting paid, or who's paying her?
200k lol
Who's paying the defense attorney $200K on Jennifer's paltry wages whose husband was a dead beat who couldn't get out of bed in the morning? Did she represent her pro-bono?
Or did she use the monies she asked her husband to open a Gofundme account for because she wanted to tug at everyone's heartstrings by claiming they had no money to feed her horses to pay for her attorney?
Just because the news and prosecution framed it that they were on the run, doesn't make it so. Evidence is showing they were not trying to run. They were receiving threats and also had the right to leave their home before they were ever charged. The burner phone- they were told to get by police after theirs were taken. They left their home long before the warrant went out. Parents are not usually charged for school shootings so they would have no reason to believe they would be charged. Their attorney was trying to connect with the prosecution yet she was ignored. This is why it's important to not listen to a narrative and wait until all facts come out in trial.
I agree! But the state has to try and make it appear that way to the jury
What a shame she's being protected unlike those who were slaughtered because she would rather hook up than help her child
Was she in jail or house arrest?
She's been in a jail along with the worthless POS husband after they were caught down in downtown Detroit about to flee to Canada.
Jail
Jail
Them bracelets ain't from the dollar store.
🇨🇦 mom & grandma here 🙋🏻♀️ we would have gave them back to you, lol in a chat room I’m in there was a couple that w found out they were pregnant, they made plans and moved to Canada, they were terrified to send their kids school in the US and they preferred our safer schools and gun laws. We have firearm crime here, but nothing like down South. It breaks my heart when there’s a school shooting. We hunt, have firearms, just have stricter rules.
And we’re back!
Wow is this judge indulgent with the wacky defense lawyer
Just jumping on in CA time. What I miss?
Are you supposed to be recording private conversations between attorney and client? Maybe it’s ok but it just feels wrong.
The attorney needs to keep her voice down and mute the microphone. Everyone there can hear her talking to her client. Frankly, I think she wants everyone to hear her.
I think it’s being streamed by a pool videographer who disseminates it to all the interested media.
She is very unprofessional, in my opinion.😮
She was warned early on to be conscious of the microphones and her voice volume when speaking with her client. Her problem!
I think the parents should only be charged with medical neglect for refusing to get him checked 2x for head injury, but has the state given him an MRI now and with failing to secure the firearm. It’s very obvious Ethan fooled everyone and the parents only had two hours to process a drawing on a math paper. Why would she ever think it meant more than about the argument the night before? She was worried about it enough to start talking to others about it. She was concerned. Ethan knew he “almost” got caught, so he decided to do it then. The parents didn’t chose this, not are they a danger to the public, it’s the opposite, they are in danger.
So he lied in a journal found by police in his backpack, the shooter wrote his parents wouldn’t listen to his pleas for help.
@@63076topher Maybe he had asked for help earlier in his life, but in the video the night before he apologizes to his parents for tricking him into trusting him. So he hid his mental health danger from them in order to get them to buy him a gun. Also, parents would destroy their relationship with their kid by reading their journal. And who didn’t just purge all their exaggerations in their teen journals? Kids wrote all sorts of things that are not true in their journals. But, I see an intentional effort of Ethan here to blame his parents. I think getting parents held accountable for bad parenting for his childhood and also the childhoods of all other school
Shooters, was his intent. I think it definitely was thought out and his deviant plan actually worked. His parents are the first being held accountable for this. This will wale some parents up and possibly get help for other kids like him. I think this was his plan and it was why he was hinting that the shooting “had to be done” and he thought it was the only way to use his life to do something worthwhile, for the good of society. Why else would he think it was good to shoot people? Why would he think this would have some sort of positive impact? It’s horrific, but look what is happening to his parents and the national awareness of parental negligence and mental health awareness. I think he thought this out that far and he exaggerated in his journal and also dropped those school
Hints to make the adults at that school suffer more. Like he fooled them all. “Wake up people, and pay attention to suffering kids and red flags.” Sure his parents sucked and were negligent, but I doubt any truth about his endless cries for help bc of what he said in his video. The video contradicts the journal.
@@hollymeredith4148 Lies he would it tell his friend text his parents and write in the journal that he wanted he did not. We have proof of moms lies about the afar taking away his gun the night before listen to her cross examination she said they took away the shooting range AND THE GUN less than a minute later she said she didn’t say they took away the gun. She lied about being asleep when police came to arrest them HER phone was used to text the lawyers.
@@63076topher His story in his journal doesn’t match his apology to his parents for tricking them into trusting him. He clearly wrote one thing in his journal, blaming his parents, but lied to them that he was fine to get the gun. It’s so obvious. Talking about ghosts and poltergeist activity actually can be messing around and/or real, and not indicating psychosis. I’ve played Ouija board and then had a toilet flush on its own in a room when I was alone. So that is a thing. I’ve had objects move and other things also. So have other people. Not crazy. People do have activity like that. People that haven’t, obviously it sounds crazy.
I just got back. R they just starting?
Oh dear
I’ve not seen anything so unprofessional female John prior 😂
Why is that guy smiling so much
Pam Beesly the attorney sure does whine a lot
Unrelated, but how do you gain weight while you're in jail? Mrs. C must have unlimited funds to blow on doritos and snickers.
I think she’s been on meds/ anti-depressants. Same as Ethan . Both got big as a house.
Exactly ! She and her son have both gained weight in a short period of time, 2 yrs isn’t that much time to eat up to 60 lbs gained
snack shop
That person hacking needs to step out
Ahh we’re back !
The defense attorney is showboating and it’s so obvious
I bet she put those glasses on, to match Jennifer.
Is this today’s case
How hard would it be to get her a new trial due to inadequate defense? I guess not very.
Maybe that’s the strategy?? I can’t imagine any other reason to act like such an immature whiny brat
Believe me, if she is convicted, that will just be one of the appeals.
I've seen worse.
She doesn’t have the money to hire another lawyer. She will end up with a court appointed lawyer if that happens.
It works both ways
The judge has been helping the defence the whole way thru
I'm wondering if she's a real judge
Defense attorneys usually whisper to their cluents, this one is yelling to try and manipulate peosecution
They were negligent it is a crime to neglect a child but how many times have you heard cps actually taking children for this reason, when it was said that about her son to the detective that he deserves to suffer that shows right their who she is. I think charging with manslaughter no, but neglect and fleeing from police instead of going right then and there to turn themselves in, I mean obviously they were in Detroit Canada bridge isn’t far from their whatsoever I get and I’ve been to the point where I want to run as I had people attacking me on social media people I had no clue existed but the end justifies the means
Zoom can fix the witness issue. It's 2024 did we learn nothing from the pandemic
for being alone i think the defense attorney is doing a good job contrary to many comments against her
What points has she made? Restating obvious text messages and asking “correct” is not making an argument. She has failed to refute any assertions made by the prosecution and that is why they’re not interjecting much because she’s not making any points in her cross
she's making point that prosecutors are over zealous and trying to make an exemple of that couple for the kids actions@@luckylady2992
She's good at making objections and getting her way
She’s extremely unprofessional.
Well said!
What ever happened to Courtroom etiquette? Why is he allowed to have a hat/ cap on???
I believe the lawyer said he has a sensitivity to light. So I believe the brim of the hat assists him. It’s not meant to be disrespectful. Better than wearing sunglasses as at least you can still see his eyes.
I think the defence Lawyer has a thing about Acting in a Drama Group?? Or. Miming? Or simply trying to Fly!
#rulesofevidencefordummies
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Why isn't anyone not check the backpack? I mean school staff, detectives, and especially the so call parents who bought him a gun?? 😵💫 It's really no-brainer!
School said by law they couldn't. 🤦🏻♀️
NO REASONABLE SUSPICION
100% Guilty. Sentenced to Time Served.
Longer than that.
Not guilty, period.
She gave him the gun and then fled from cops 😂
She did not give a gun. That is not a fact presented.
@@angyQ6379 they didn’t flee either. They got away from their residence and town because of the media and the devastation. They could not possibly have stayed at their home. They had contacted their attorney and agreed they would turn themselves in which was being worked out with the prosecutors.
@@angyQ6379where’d he get it from? The sky? It was a joint decision by the parents to purchase him the gun. Text messages show that Jen asked her husband if we got it and the amount. She was in on the purchase
They did gift him the gun for xmas I believe
Guilty….sentenced to time served
I'm thinking the exact same thing.
I'm thinking if she is found guilty it should be the max 5 years in view of the fact there are four victims families. With time served credited and time off for good behaviour she will soon be out and the families will feel they have had some sort of justice.
I agree , hopefully mr.crumbley gets the same.
God sees the cheaters.
What other parents of school shooters are guilty?
@@lanielouwrapsthis will set presidense. Loot at the boy that stabbed the 13 year old to death, and his mom tried to was the blood out of his jeans, she charged. Parents won’t let the school discipline their kids, them they better step up and be parents, teach their kids right from wrong, be involved in their lives, hold their kids accountable and be accountable themselves.
I like the defense attorney. I however think the sui*ide comment was terrible and there’s times she does get a little disrespectful to the court. However there’s so much more here. The prosecutor has been horrible to her specifically Karen( nice name). Search Oxford shooting whistleblowers.