Every time Neace says 'you deserve this' I feel like he's talking to me. I think it's actually really important to acknowledge when you deserve the shit you get in the game by not playing it right
Seeing this game through the eyes of a Challenger player and the split second macro decisions Neace is able to make is honestly a treat to see. As a gold player myself, I would've thrown this game minutes ago. It really does show you that waves/exp is way more important than the shiny kill you see running around all the time.
I tell people to watch LCS pro games so they can see how much some of the best players in the world focus cs more than anything else. There was a game the other day where Ruler had something like 300 cs at 26 min as Sylas. Got no kills or assists in early game, but was still an item ahead of everyone else for most of the game.
I haven’t yet watched this video, but I’m about to, if I don’t see everything you just mentioned I’m gonna downvote your comment, yeah how about that XD
I started playing garen and find him incredibly fun, I have 70% in 100 games in mid gold.. I just learned the 3 auto e stride proc. Plus learning more about the Jax matchup is nice to see!
Huh, so I get the feeling when people talk about "Elo Hell" is that there is a certain amount of game understanding in your lobby going on and the problem is the player in "Elo Hell" doesn't know when the team is actually making the right decisions and when not, blindly following them. I'm low - mid gold atm., not gonna pretend otherwise but this game was really a good example of this where I could see a lesser player with no coaching following up these crooked teamfights that where going on all the way throughout, leaving this insanely valuable map pressure behind, possibly losing the game very fast. Now that teamfight in the end there, where Garen joined and took the whole thing home was an example of a decent call you'd wanna follow up on but recognizing that subtle difference in a split second and not arriving too late is an odd skill to master.
WOW Such an INCREDIBLE coaching - Great way to show how to play the long game and what do it in a late game situation. Everything fron the itemization to the marco was So advanced in this game that im 100% saving this to my LoL play list for garen. tysm neace for showing this on ur channel =D!!!
As a Jax main, having played both Jax into Garen and vice versa a lot, it amazes me that Garen players don't know that they can literally just activate their Q, run on top of the Jax to bait the counter strike, THEN use the Q and full combo. That way Jax doesn't get the bonus damage from his E and you still get to use your damage + silence from your Q
Very strong pick ! It was trundle and jax who made me gold first time in 2018 before i stopped playing. Im back again tho. But in 2018 trundle with guinsoo... was no joke
Hey Neace - I agree with almost all you say, but the one section at 11 min where you’re feeling that Garen should ALWAYS start with an auto, and then a Q I think maybe is a bit linear thinking. If it’s always an auto into a Q then jax can always prep his E accordingly. Whereas, if sometimes he changes it up on jax - throwing out a Q as his opener, it silences jax and can catch him off guard if the plays prior have been Auto into Q. Just a thought! As I’ve mentioned, great coaching as always! Agree with most of what you say.
At 10:35, is there some explanation that I'm missing? The student's reasoning for going straight for the Q makes sense to me, and it's what I would do in that matchup too. Neace sounds like he's just saying "Auto Q" out of habit, but it gives Jax more time to react with E, and if Garen lands the auto but gets his Q blocked, that's worse than just landing the Q. If I did start with an auto, I would rather go auto-E and save Q for after Jax's E.
I think its less about this matchup and more the habit he should always have. I could be wrong, but I think Neace would rather him learn the muscle memory and drive the point home rather than getting an extra Q in this game. Also in this matchup if you auto first and can bait jax's E and then as soon as counterstrike ends he can just auto Q him.
@@jifx7385 That's pretty much what I'm saying, though. It sounded like Neace was trying to teach a habit, but I don't think that habit is appropriate for the matchup. And what you're saying about baiting Jax's E is basically the same as what I was saying too. IF Garen starts with an auto, it's better to go for E next and maybe bait Jax's Counterstrike so Garen can save Q for afterward. But if Garen wants to land Q up front, he should be trying to surprise Jax and land it immediately.
@@MrL1193 Nope. Auto Q always. Your Q doesn't immediately land, you can cancel it like any other AA. Auto, Q, cancel Q animation to not get dunked into his E, after E follow up with your Q and E.
What I truly despise is what he said, looking at the LP gained (+13) and went "this is what I don't like to see" and you were 100% right with your reply Neace, "start playing better then". That's soooo true, many people are guilty of this, they play like sh*t but then feel entitled to the +18/+19 LP whenever they win. Improve your performance, play better, carry your team, and make sure you're the best player on your team even when you loose, even you, reading this, don't bring yourself down cuz you're hardstuck silver, if you put the effort in, you can climb, at least to low diamond EASILY, I know you can do it, you know you can do it, Faker wasn't born already a League God, he trained for it. Now go and knock it out of the park💪
Until the system literally keeps you down for months. When you get a loss streak filled with all the usual griefing and you are having deathless games yet still go -22LP and only +11? It's disheartening to say the least. "Imagine your perfect win conditions..." lol, for starters it's 10 people playing and taking the match seriously, aka what we queue up to do in ranked! But when that's not even a reliable base line, when the algorithms don't pick up the adc crow hopping in base since they lost turret, when we get the support bots, when the jg proudly types "ur a jerk, i'm not ganking u" and such? It's true we can only control our performance, but this is a team game. If the team's not there? There's only so much an individual can do.
@@Undomaranel except the guy's performance actually deserve the low lp gain. I don't wanna be mean, but his trading sucks for someone playing garen in plat. Jax is also an extremely telegraphed champ to go against. His only engage is literally a jump onto you, it won't come from anywhere else. Yet the guy missed a ton of chances, like neace said, auto q e and run with phase rush. The whole point of that rune is to get short trades in YOUR favor and dip out. Yet he fails constantly to proc it because he doesn't auto-q. I honestly think his playstyle would work better with conq or grasp.
@@Undomaranel I get where you're coming from, but still... I don't fully agree, trust me, I have been playing since season 3, and I'm comfortably hovering around D1/masters, I've seen it all, and majority of the times it's just a case of people being bad at the game, sure, you'll get the griefers from time to time and whatnot, but they're really not as common as your brain has been wired to think they are. Now, I used to see it like you, and say stuff like "it's the system that keeps me down" until I managed to hit diamond/masters, once I did and went back smurfing in silver/gold, it all made sense to me, and my way of thinking completely switched to "man, I truly was just trash". Again it's all just psychological, most people think they're better than they actually are and that they should easily climb up the ladder, and blame the "system" when it doesn't happen, cuz putting the blame on external factors it's easier than actually putting in the effort to improve. Think of Chill Neace for example, he took a hardstuck bronze account, the account was f*cked, but he managed to effortlessly climb to gold 1 (at the moment of writing), and he's not even tryharding, he's playing every champ A-Z off meta so yeah... I'm not at all sold on this "system conspiracy", both based on my personal experiences and other stuff I see, like Chill Neace. Sometimes I wish everyone would climb just to realize... They were the ones holding themselves back all along (btw, this said, I don't want you to feel attacked, I just explained why your way of viewing it, is completely wrong)
See the problem is I can't remember the last time I was carried. Legit I either carry to win, or i'm barely flat k/d and we end up losing after 35 min game....... As a man who works full time, has a home in the country on 5 acres of land, I am far too busy to play a thousand league matches when I know for a fact where I stand. Yes i started climbing easily but it still takes all my time and effort and then you juts get trash teammates because why? I don't play every single fucking day like a robotic basement dweller?
No the Jax matchup is easier for garen because your spin goes through his E… so he jumps and you both spin and w to avoid the lockdown length and auto q to win trade
@@slimfastsubaru2043 I feel like it always runs out before Jax stun stops… i something’s q during the middle part of gardens e to get the movement speed, but closer to the end
man I feel like I need to play a split pushing champ, I jungle as main role but theres a few people who do that who can also split. I try my best doing it with Hecarim but he doesn't feel like he has good enough mobility / damage to do it.
well yeah? he wants to be a higher rank. and neace is teaching him to be a higher rank by "playing better". instead of chasing shit and wasting time he should win more games.
Imo the "tutorial" should also be taken out for new players because it doesnt teach them anything, but just how to over commit and how AI enemies doesnt care about how weak they are, it teaches new players alot of different ways to int and thats it
How to break loss streak. Keep playing, eventually you'll win. I was try harding games and I kept losing. I was literally getting 15+ kills in games and still losing. Eventually I just gave up and started playing for fun, like my team mates. And I won a game while my end score 0-14. Did the least amount of damage, had the lowest cs.
@@kregman6928 I dont think you understand what I meant I mean yeah your 100% true but I was referring to him playing ranked for "fun" and him saying this "I just gave up and started playing for fun, like my team mates. And I won a game while my end score 0-14. Did the least amount of damage, had the lowest cs"
What the fuck? Garen with phase rush and ghost?????? No wonder he got fucking soloed while being a single kill ahead. He deserves +13 LP just from his shitty rune setup amd summoner spell choice. Kid should have went second wind dorans and grasp and unflinching / legend alacrity. HE SHOULDNT BE TRADING WITH JAX UNTIL LEVEL 3. He should have went W second and time it with the stun.
My god this man has a serious case of brain delay holy shit man. Seeing you whip these kids into shape makes me smile especially because if you look at any other game, players with years of experience are really good. This is the only game where someone with 10+ years of experience fall for the same tricks. I 100% believe this garen would die level 1 face checking a bush with shaco boxes.
No Wards usage, potato reflexes in lane... it's absurd that this player is platinum. At the end of the day climbing is all about spamming games and having time
You don't need sweeper if your win con is to split push and stall the game. You need vision for ganks. If anything he could swap to Blue trinket for farther out vision on rotations.
I was suprised when Neace said he was gold. He looked confused all game, none of his combos were crisp. Didn't understand q auto reset... def seems boosted.
how is the dude playing so mindlessly like that and is in plat? omg should've played in NA to flex higher ranks or smth you will see people not abusing auto's when possible only below silver in EUW, the mindless chases and 0 game plan
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Every time Neace says 'you deserve this' I feel like he's talking to me. I think it's actually really important to acknowledge when you deserve the shit you get in the game by not playing it right
Seeing this game through the eyes of a Challenger player and the split second macro decisions Neace is able to make is honestly a treat to see. As a gold player myself, I would've thrown this game minutes ago. It really does show you that waves/exp is way more important than the shiny kill you see running around all the time.
U got me in 1st half when u started : seeing it from challenger view i was like finally some challenger here,,,, and then u said Neace lol,,, u got me
U got me in 1st half when u started : seeing it from challenger view i was like finally some challenger here,,,, and then u said Neace lol,,, u got me
I tell people to watch LCS pro games so they can see how much some of the best players in the world focus cs more than anything else. There was a game the other day where Ruler had something like 300 cs at 26 min as Sylas. Got no kills or assists in early game, but was still an item ahead of everyone else for most of the game.
I haven’t yet watched this video, but I’m about to, if I don’t see everything you just mentioned I’m gonna downvote your comment, yeah how about that XD
Neace is a masters not challenger
15:00
“The one with the silence bubble above it’s head!”
*silenced LB clone dies*
no she doesn't. the clone teleported right before dieing back to the true silenced LB. look closer.
@@bleezy2160 touch grass
0:13 love that voicecrack xD looking forward to this video
I need a sound bite of the "mmmm you give me anxiety" that plays every time I do something dumb lol
I started playing garen and find him incredibly fun, I have 70% in 100 games in mid gold.. I just learned the 3 auto e stride proc. Plus learning more about the Jax matchup is nice to see!
Huh, so I get the feeling when people talk about "Elo Hell" is that there is a certain amount of game understanding in your lobby going on and the problem is the player in "Elo Hell" doesn't know when the team is actually making the right decisions and when not, blindly following them. I'm low - mid gold atm., not gonna pretend otherwise but this game was really a good example of this where I could see a lesser player with no coaching following up these crooked teamfights that where going on all the way throughout, leaving this insanely valuable map pressure behind, possibly losing the game very fast.
Now that teamfight in the end there, where Garen joined and took the whole thing home was an example of a decent call you'd wanna follow up on but recognizing that subtle difference in a split second and not arriving too late is an odd skill to master.
WOW Such an INCREDIBLE coaching - Great way to show how to play the long game and what do it in a late game situation. Everything fron the itemization to the marco was So advanced in this game that im 100% saving this to my LoL play list for garen. tysm neace for showing this on ur channel =D!!!
Damn NEACE went in hard with this one lol great coaching though
As a Jax main, having played both Jax into Garen and vice versa a lot, it amazes me that Garen players don't know that they can literally just activate their Q, run on top of the Jax to bait the counter strike, THEN use the Q and full combo. That way Jax doesn't get the bonus damage from his E and you still get to use your damage + silence from your Q
Thank you for this
31:35 They are like AI xD best thing ive ever heard Neace say
Thanks, I'd missed that. Laughed a bit too much
I’ve been climbing with trundle jungle since I’ve learned some good macro. A lot has to do with your videos. Thank you brother
Very strong pick ! It was trundle and jax who made me gold first time in 2018 before i stopped playing. Im back again tho. But in 2018 trundle with guinsoo... was no joke
Damn the ending was intense.
@18:35 sounds like Neace giving dating advice
15:00 that was damn fucking hilarious
Hey Neace - I agree with almost all you say, but the one section at 11 min where you’re feeling that Garen should ALWAYS start with an auto, and then a Q I think maybe is a bit linear thinking. If it’s always an auto into a Q then jax can always prep his E accordingly. Whereas, if sometimes he changes it up on jax - throwing out a Q as his opener, it silences jax and can catch him off guard if the plays prior have been Auto into Q. Just a thought!
As I’ve mentioned, great coaching as always! Agree with most of what you say.
At 10:35, is there some explanation that I'm missing? The student's reasoning for going straight for the Q makes sense to me, and it's what I would do in that matchup too. Neace sounds like he's just saying "Auto Q" out of habit, but it gives Jax more time to react with E, and if Garen lands the auto but gets his Q blocked, that's worse than just landing the Q. If I did start with an auto, I would rather go auto-E and save Q for after Jax's E.
I think its less about this matchup and more the habit he should always have. I could be wrong, but I think Neace would rather him learn the muscle memory and drive the point home rather than getting an extra Q in this game. Also in this matchup if you auto first and can bait jax's E and then as soon as counterstrike ends he can just auto Q him.
@@jifx7385 That's pretty much what I'm saying, though. It sounded like Neace was trying to teach a habit, but I don't think that habit is appropriate for the matchup. And what you're saying about baiting Jax's E is basically the same as what I was saying too. IF Garen starts with an auto, it's better to go for E next and maybe bait Jax's Counterstrike so Garen can save Q for afterward. But if Garen wants to land Q up front, he should be trying to surprise Jax and land it immediately.
@@MrL1193 Nope. Auto Q always. Your Q doesn't immediately land, you can cancel it like any other AA. Auto, Q, cancel Q animation to not get dunked into his E, after E follow up with your Q and E.
His stridebreaker came up at the last second in the fight. If he’s mashed it, he might have gotten it off quick enough.
Today I learned that the back of the fountain heals faster than the front :0 35:20
What I truly despise is what he said, looking at the LP gained (+13) and went "this is what I don't like to see" and you were 100% right with your reply Neace, "start playing better then". That's soooo true, many people are guilty of this, they play like sh*t but then feel entitled to the +18/+19 LP whenever they win. Improve your performance, play better, carry your team, and make sure you're the best player on your team even when you loose, even you, reading this, don't bring yourself down cuz you're hardstuck silver, if you put the effort in, you can climb, at least to low diamond EASILY, I know you can do it, you know you can do it, Faker wasn't born already a League God, he trained for it. Now go and knock it out of the park💪
Until the system literally keeps you down for months. When you get a loss streak filled with all the usual griefing and you are having deathless games yet still go -22LP and only +11? It's disheartening to say the least. "Imagine your perfect win conditions..." lol, for starters it's 10 people playing and taking the match seriously, aka what we queue up to do in ranked! But when that's not even a reliable base line, when the algorithms don't pick up the adc crow hopping in base since they lost turret, when we get the support bots, when the jg proudly types "ur a jerk, i'm not ganking u" and such? It's true we can only control our performance, but this is a team game. If the team's not there? There's only so much an individual can do.
@@Undomaranel except the guy's performance actually deserve the low lp gain. I don't wanna be mean, but his trading sucks for someone playing garen in plat. Jax is also an extremely telegraphed champ to go against. His only engage is literally a jump onto you, it won't come from anywhere else. Yet the guy missed a ton of chances, like neace said, auto q e and run with phase rush. The whole point of that rune is to get short trades in YOUR favor and dip out. Yet he fails constantly to proc it because he doesn't auto-q.
I honestly think his playstyle would work better with conq or grasp.
@@Undomaranel I get where you're coming from, but still... I don't fully agree, trust me, I have been playing since season 3, and I'm comfortably hovering around D1/masters, I've seen it all, and majority of the times it's just a case of people being bad at the game, sure, you'll get the griefers from time to time and whatnot, but they're really not as common as your brain has been wired to think they are. Now, I used to see it like you, and say stuff like "it's the system that keeps me down" until I managed to hit diamond/masters, once I did and went back smurfing in silver/gold, it all made sense to me, and my way of thinking completely switched to "man, I truly was just trash". Again it's all just psychological, most people think they're better than they actually are and that they should easily climb up the ladder, and blame the "system" when it doesn't happen, cuz putting the blame on external factors it's easier than actually putting in the effort to improve. Think of Chill Neace for example, he took a hardstuck bronze account, the account was f*cked, but he managed to effortlessly climb to gold 1 (at the moment of writing), and he's not even tryharding, he's playing every champ A-Z off meta so yeah... I'm not at all sold on this "system conspiracy", both based on my personal experiences and other stuff I see, like Chill Neace. Sometimes I wish everyone would climb just to realize... They were the ones holding themselves back all along
(btw, this said, I don't want you to feel attacked, I just explained why your way of viewing it, is completely wrong)
See the problem is I can't remember the last time I was carried. Legit I either carry to win, or i'm barely flat k/d and we end up losing after 35 min game.......
As a man who works full time, has a home in the country on 5 acres of land, I am far too busy to play a thousand league matches when I know for a fact where I stand. Yes i started climbing easily but it still takes all my time and effort and then you juts get trash teammates because why? I don't play every single fucking day like a robotic basement dweller?
Will do sirr! *gets ready for 8 hour shift*
“I promoted you” 😂😂
I love a good Garen coaching sesh so much
awesome video, period. coaching DOES work
of course!
this was such an informative guide. thank you.
I decided to take a break in lol but after watching this i might aswell suffer again laying it
Damn… when he whiffed that Leblanc after the silence
Am I misremembering or did Garen used to be able to Q through Jax E? I remember thinking it was an easy match up bc of that.
No the Jax matchup is easier for garen because your spin goes through his E… so he jumps and you both spin and w to avoid the lockdown length and auto q to win trade
You can q then e before you actually q. then cancel e a lil early to q when Jaxes e is done but that's it you can Bait his e.
@@slimfastsubaru2043 I feel like it always runs out before Jax stun stops… i something’s q during the middle part of gardens e to get the movement speed, but closer to the end
loved the coaching as usual 👍👍👍
And this kids is why Neace is called the King of Macro.
As much as I dislike Garen coachings (as there are a lot of them) it amuses me immensely seeing Neace stressing with a Garen student
man I feel like I need to play a split pushing champ, I jungle as main role but theres a few people who do that who can also split. I try my best doing it with Hecarim but he doesn't feel like he has good enough mobility / damage to do it.
Diana does massive dmg to turrets if u wanna try that
neace: coaches his every move,
neace at the end of the game: "play better bro"
well yeah? he wants to be a higher rank. and neace is teaching him to be a higher rank by "playing better". instead of chasing shit and wasting time he should win more games.
@@Familyguy808 I agree. I'm just being humorous my guy.
i hate it when they "Yeah yeahh" like why do you yeah you should say yes sir you are right not "yeahhh" otherwise you wouldn't need a couch
No amount of challengers on the planet can get out of a platinum losers queue
@@burstmage6982 No such thing, you just have shit mental and this comment proves it.
I'm not sure losers queue exists tbh
Sounds like an excuse from bad players
@@andrewgreenhouse XD
then why is boosting a thing
When I see NA ranks they always make my jaw drop.
What's wrong with his game is that he is playing Garen
Wish we could see runes build at the beginning, Enjoyed the coaching.
Imo the "tutorial" should also be taken out for new players because it doesnt teach them anything, but just how to over commit and how AI enemies doesnt care about how weak they are, it teaches new players alot of different ways to int and thats it
Why Maw and not Wits End?
I would've lost this game.
2:01 2:14
omg his e cd is so low !!!
Need a permit for those 15:46
Why you change the title?
How to break loss streak. Keep playing, eventually you'll win. I was try harding games and I kept losing. I was literally getting 15+ kills in games and still losing. Eventually I just gave up and started playing for fun, like my team mates. And I won a game while my end score 0-14. Did the least amount of damage, had the lowest cs.
get carried. dont play ranked for fun thats for draft stop trolling.
This sounds like how to get tilted lol
@@slimfastsubaru2043 or a good way to gigga tilt your team mates.
@@sethdoeslegalmeth3162 tbh, if your teammates are getting tilted at your loss streak then the game was lost anyways xD
@@kregman6928 I dont think you understand what I meant I mean yeah your 100% true but I was referring to him playing ranked for "fun" and him saying this "I just gave up and started playing for fun, like my team mates. And I won a game while my end score 0-14. Did the least amount of damage, had the lowest cs"
What the fuck? Garen with phase rush and ghost?????? No wonder he got fucking soloed while being a single kill ahead. He deserves +13 LP just from his shitty rune setup amd summoner spell choice. Kid should have went second wind dorans and grasp and unflinching / legend alacrity. HE SHOULDNT BE TRADING WITH JAX UNTIL LEVEL 3. He should have went W second and time it with the stun.
If you can't get to Gold with garen you may just have to stay on ARAM or TFT
is anyone gunna be talking about the guys friends category names lol
Neace is the BEST
has this guy ever used ghost? he would have benefited so much more with ignite
My god this man has a serious case of brain delay holy shit man. Seeing you whip these kids into shape makes me smile especially because if you look at any other game, players with years of experience are really good. This is the only game where someone with 10+ years of experience fall for the same tricks. I 100% believe this garen would die level 1 face checking a bush with shaco boxes.
This was a treat to watch. Excellent late game macro
wat runes do u tAKE NOW AS GAREN
CAN SOMEONE PLZ COMMENT FOR ME
conq with resolve like second wind and something
like demolish
@@elementsgames6274 u sure
I like how your comment goes from normal typing to caps lock yelling mid sentence
summon arey
Sry i hav fat fingers
Is it a thing these days to take a surrender vote every time you die? In every video regardless of game state there's a dumbass surrender vote.
No Wards usage, potato reflexes in lane... it's absurd that this player is platinum. At the end of the day climbing is all about spamming games and having time
Wouldnt it be better had he swapped his trinket for a sweeper at some point?
You don't need sweeper if your win con is to split push and stall the game. You need vision for ganks. If anything he could swap to Blue trinket for farther out vision on rotations.
So Maw and Steraks don’t work together?
same with shieldbow
How to break loss streak… sell account
Wiggling with lock screen is so nauseating to watch lol
How is this gold/plat level. They look like bronze on my server
why can I not spend 80 dollars on a NEACE membership, and go to the corner NEACE PC Bang yet.
This person is friends with a lot of cuties...
He hardly ever uses W, pretty painful to watch lol
Day 27 of convincing Neace he is a Teemo one trick
🥸
Ur the best man
i play bronze players better than this
Yeah he seems like he's afraid to play into garen's strengths
Same
Maybe a boosted account
dont expect much from a garen player
I was suprised when Neace said he was gold. He looked confused all game, none of his combos were crisp. Didn't understand q auto reset... def seems boosted.
👌👌👌👌
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+13 lp
how is the dude playing so mindlessly like that and is in plat? omg should've played in NA to flex higher ranks or smth
you will see people not abusing auto's when possible only below silver in EUW, the mindless chases and 0 game plan