"Young men don't lose brothers well." Vietnam recon veterans recall those who didn't come home
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- Veterans of Vietnam’s long range reconnaissance patrols talk about the pain of losing friends in battle in ‘Shadows in the Jungle’ - Ep. 3 “The Men We Lost”
A lot of my father’s friends were Vietnam veterans. I grew up around these men. As I got older, the stories got more detailed and vivid. I’m nearly 50 years old and still can’t imagine going through that much as a 20 year old. I have the utmost respect for these veterans.
Same here Jim, just hearing their tale's would give me the shakes.
My brothef was in Vietnam in 1971 to 1972, he was military Policeman, and before he passed away he told me he wanted to be with his comrades. When he passed away. He never talked about Vietnam, i hope and pray he is with his comtades and at peace, we were very close, when he passed awaay, my heart and soul were torn from from me. Thats how close we were, hmay have been13 years older than me, but, he was the toungest boy and i was the youngest girl of the family. And i love and miss him and hope he is at peace.
Every time I watch a video of veterans nearly all of them, whatever their age, carry trauma and loss, and still show the heardbreak they've experienced. When will it ever be enough, when will we as a species stop the wars.
God bless u guys who served in this hellhole
The following are the last Airborne Rangers killed in action in Vietnam.
The were assigned to COMPANY H, 75TH RANGERS, LLRP, IST CAV DIVISION, USAV.
ELVIS W OSBORNE KIA 6-9-72
JEFFREY A MAURER KIA 6-9-72
JAIME PACHECO KIA 5-25-72
THOMAS E (BLINKY) SMITH KIA 2-20-72
I was in the same ranger class as Elvis, which was Apr-Jun ‘71. Supposedly he was the last tabbed ranger to die in Vietnam. That’s another memory that lingers long.
RIP, Soldiers.
Gary Linderer is an author too I believe I've read his books 15 years ago. Thanks for your service men. Appreciated.
He wrote Eyes Behind the Lines which is an excellent read I’ve read through it several times. My dad was a Ranger in the 75th Regiment 2nd Battalion and I was really interested in the Rangers growing up though I never tried to be one I wound up joining the Navy instead.
Everytime I watch these brave men tell theor stories of the loss of their youth and innocence, the loss of their brothers in arms, amd the long lasting invisible scars that cannot be seen, I thank God these men stood in danger's way and reminds me of how greatful I am.for everyone of these men...makes me realize how my dad suffered, being a nam vet himself. I never had asked him about his experiences during that time because it's too painful to re live, amd I'm 43 as of this post.....he's 84 now and winding down in health....bless all of our combat vets!!!
I have seen a whole bunch of these Vietnam vet stories, and every time the vet looks like he could have experienced the memory last week instead of 60 years ago. It seems even all those years have done little or nothing to dull those painful memories. I've heard some say "It's always 15 minutes away for us..." This must be why PTSD is so devastating for so many vets, and for such a long time, these memories don't fade much I think!
Fortunately with the millions of people that served during "war on terror", it seems to have spurred those in the psychiatric field to study the issue more intensively. And thanks to the efforts of many, the head-shrinkers seem to slowly be getting a much better grasp on the problem and how to treat it, which so many vets so badly need.
Before a cure can be developed, one must define the issue to its root cause. And one part of a meaningful definition of PTSD includes a presumption that it is based on a memory - but a memory whose volume is set too high. While this is surely a complete over-simplification of PTSD, a mental health professional or researcher using that simple presumption, can then begin to break the problem down to its roots; and while doing so, possibly gain a better understanding of what the elements of a cure might include.
Many new techniques have been tried in the battle to successfully treat PTSD. They include some treatments using VR technology to (voluntarily) place the patient in a milder re-creation of combat events that caused the painful memory. Re-enacting painful memories can enable the patient to re-visit the situation, in a safe and controlled environment - which, it is hoped, might give the patient more perspective and a better understanding of the trauma and how he/she can respond to it with new ways of thinking.
Other treatments that are even more radical, include the use of drugs (even psychedelic drugs such as Ayahuasca) in a controlled setting. While the way it works is not fully understood, there are many patients who have benefitted greatly from it, even sometimes gaining an entirely new way of thinking about the trauma, and actual relief from the agonizing effects of their traumatic life events.
The point here, of course, is not that a drug trip is an easy way to treat PTSD! The point is, when old methods of treatment fail, those brave souls in the psychiatric/psychological field who can devise and test new treatments, may be the only hope for creating an effective treatment for PTSD.
In the ongoing struggle to find some sort of effective, long term solution for this truly devastating psychological condition, to give up the search is simply not an option. Because not only has 20 years of war on terror created thousands if not millions more veterans desperately in need of a solution. The ongoing Russo-Ukraine War has created perhaps millions more victims, who will only grow in number with each passing day!
God Bless these men, those that were lost and their families. What this country has done to these men after they were answered the call is unforgiveable. Some men give some, some give all. I will never forget! Nor forgive those trespasses!
Vietnam vets are and always will be my heroes. Reason i joined usmc infantry 2nd batallion 9 th marines. 87 to 91 semper fi
1/9 b co 3mardiv 67 68 semper fi brother di bo chet
God bless aol of you. My Uncle LRPP'd for the Air Cav. That's all he would ever say about the experiences. Oh yeah, said he LRRP'd with some great guys. He's gone now, Agent Orange did what no NVA could.
There is a new PTSD model that is proposed. Instead of based on fear, it is thought survivor guilt and morale compromise haunts our post combat vets.
War never changes. Get over it!
I met a homeless guy once who couldnt have been taller than 5 feet. Long silver hair, and definitely several drug problems. Had a woman his age and a little dog, and he did nothing but travel apparently. Said he was recon in vietnam and he was sent into the jungle sometimes for months on end, solo, and was expected to survive and come back living off whatever he could. He told me about some basic survival stuff like taking a metal spike and tapping on it in mud to get worms for sustenance, and if you take two sticks, wrap em in tin foil, and place it between your tent and the campfire, you can funnel hot air into your tent to stay warm. I asked him why he chooses to live the way he does and he says he spent so much time surviving alone and training for it he cant imagine living any other way, and he cant hold a job while taking the drugs he needs to keep his trauma away. He seemed content with his lifestyle so I didnt pry further, I was just grateful for the conversation
Was he marine recon? Or an army lrrp?
Absolutely unacceptable for Military Leaders and Politicians to put our men in harm’s way so unnecessarily…
I hope they are paying for what they’ve done to Southeast Asia, and a whole generation of Americans and their families in the afterlife, but what do I know…
What a Fucking War that must have been..... Some give their lives so others can live theirs..
This is why it's important to only go to war for good reasons, and to always seek a peacefully solution. Ope, did someone say oil? Tally ho, brethren!
Spoken like a true civilian who needs protection
@@Madinfidelprepper more like a combat vet who lost brothers in the sandbox for exactly 0 reason.
God must have let his friend live for those 4 days to deal with his eternal soul. I bet his friend has quite the story for him some day up there.
True American heroes.Welcome home gentleman.
"Blessed are the peacemakers. For the will be called the children of God". Matthew 5:9
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Sucks that the men responsible for this are most likely dead of old age and were never held accountable. It’s crazy how much the government today is doing the same.
“Try to stop us, we dare you”
-US Government
Heavy fuckin metal
Crazy what humans will do with emotions, trained since adaptation to kill. Better than this, only the fault of those to sent these poor souls here to hell on earth.
Where is that insanely badass thumbnail picture from?
Sorry were your lose
Sorry for your loss spelt it wrong sorry
@@TrickShotersGaming ta wojna była niepotrzebna którą zresztą USA przegrały
@@masterson25No this war wasn’t lost by those who fought it, it was lost by the politicians and the greed of money they made off the war machine.
@@asmodeus1274 Enough of the sentimental BS. None of these guys should have been in Vietnam in the first place. They were invaders and aggressors in someone else's country that did nothing to the US or Americans. Everyone wants to blame President Johnson, McNamara, the politicians or an unsupportive American public for that debacle. If these guys had both the brains and guts...they would have refused service in Vietnam. It was not their war.
PROPERTY OF THE US GOVERNMENT..
We have lost Jimbo.
Major James Harrison, Force Recon Amphib USMC. 25 Rodeo Bronc Buckles.
MVD AZ.
Khe Shahn, Pleiku, Tet. POW MIA Recovery.
FOUR (4) times Dick Clark American Bandstand Dick Clark 60's. Dance to the BACK BEAT
I can’t imagine a life full of haunting memories of dead comrades lying next you. Thank you, all of you 🤧🫡🫡💔🇺🇸
I’m sorry for your heart break guys. But thank you for serving. Respects
serving what, he's a terrorist. you probably support Hamas too
To my friend and mentor who I loved and respected. SFC Leon J Fields who took a 20 year old inexperienced SSG under his wing and taught him how to overcome his fears and be aleader especially in combat
He died December 13th 1968.
RIP Friend
I will never forget the men to the right and left of me. They are always with me forever!
GOD HAS ALL OF THE BEST LRRP’s
CSM Chapa
Just LOOK at their eyes while they talk? "I Would" trust these dudes 100%! I grew up with these Vets! and their Fathers, and Grand Fathers! I Knew them well! as a kid from their service years.
VIETNAM VETS DIDN’T GET A HOMECOMING…..still pisses me off to this Day
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE 🙏🙏🇺🇸. 🇺🇸 🇺🇸
In Viet Nam I saw way to many killings 24 hours day and night, bombs, mine fields, the rain, the heat of the jungle, this was over 50 years ago, I am still a mess us kids at age 20 killing in Nam was a f.. nightmare. We came back to our country, who treated us like shit .For those of us who made it back to the USA, we were hated for doing a war job we were forced to do
Were you in the army or marines?
@@robertisham5279 Marines Semper Fi.
@@ratter531 Oh what year?
@@robertisham5279 1967 to 1970 3 tours I am still a mess this very moment Nam was beyond hell. I am age 71 now I will never be normal no one came back from Nam normal. As I watch this brother speaking I am in a river of tears,
@@ratter531 Wow were you by any chance in 1/9th marines? Were those tours consecutive?
My uncle Steve did TWO TOUR OF DUTY in Vietnam/Cambodia.
Night sweats, nightmares still haunts.
Hey William, is your uncle still around?
In Korea,I have met quite a few Viet war vets in my life. 1 common and the most remarkable thing about them altogether is that they don't talk. You don't even know they were there. For example, there was a bus driver in my work place. A guy next to him rougly tells you that he was a commando and had been deployed to nam,etc. No one has no idea what those guys did there or what they have been through. They just don't talk.
Much love brother, much love. OEF/OIF
The dead linger long in both the heart and the mind. My former Ranger platoon leader went out to rescue a team in trouble. The helicopter crashed and as far as I know they all died. I still see the LT in my mind’s eye. Best officer I ever had and a West Point grad.
Never forgotten. They are not lost as long as you remember them. You great men will see them again. Thank you for your service gentleman. From a Iraq war Army vet to you . Thank you
My brothers, much love and respect from an OLD MARINE. Never forget. NAM 69-70.
It is so hard to lose beloved friends. God bless them.
Welcome Home Brothers let me say this as a Vietnam Veteran survivors guilt is a real sob I live with it everyday n it doesn't get any easier these 50 plus years later
Im not american, but thank you so much for your service!
It happened. You were there. Nothing can be done about it now. It is ok. God loves you forever.
Brave men, haunted by their memories
Vietnam rangers have some of the absolute Gnarliest stories,
RTW
The despair in the first mans eyes nearly brought me to tears when I saw him
our enemy is the government on both side's
For the past few years, I always try to thank the veterans for their service to the nation in Vietnam. One of the ways that I am able to identify those persons is the caps/hats that they wear, proudly. I cannot imagine what any type of war would be like, and I’m so fortunate that I never had to go or serve.
Hug a Vet next time you meet one. Best Wishes from Sunny South Australia M8.
I was a resident in Portland, Oregon at the VA Hospital and Oregon Health Science University. I will never forget the Hero’s in the Hospital…. The Wars never end for these men and women….. These Wars end 7:59 when their last child dies, because that is when the War ends for those most affected……. We need leaders who try to not get us into these conflicts unless it is absolutely necessary…. Time for us to quit fighting for people who refuse to fight for themselves……
One of my cousins was assigned to a fire base on top of a small mountain in Vietnam. At night the VC would climb the mountain and try to kill them…. When he came home he could not sleep unless he has a rifle lying on his chest. RIP Leslie, I know Vietnam changed you, you deserved better , RIP cousin.
“Young men don’t lose brothers well” should be the quote of the century because it’s damn sure the fucking truth.
AMEN! and Old men don't lose kids well.
Amen.
Maybe old men should be teaching young men not to be chumps and pawns of their dysfunctional Government and really think for themselves. We would have a lot less of this "losing" BS.
@@topgeardel you’re special, aren’t you?
@@MrIzzy11B Of course I'm special. And so were the 60000 Americans your Government disgustingly sacrificed in Vietnam for absolutely no legitimate reason. Your Government didn't think they were special.
I served with a lot of Vietnam vets for nine years in late 70’s to mid 80’s with one being a Medal of Honor winner and only once did I ask what they experienced, none talked about it because the men I served with were all Infantry and saw the worst of it. I’m now 67 years old and it makes me cry knowing what they went through. I got lucky and missed all the conflicts from 1977 to 1986. The pain of lost men in a war that made no sense since the Political class so easily threw the life’s of these young men away. America needs to quit fighting other countries war. GOD bless to all who served in this war and made it home. Your stories have forever changed my life.
Truly these LRRP Soldiers did a very difficult job in Vietnam. Going deep into enemy territory. To recon and observe the troop movements of the NVA and VC. Showing true courage and bravery whilst out on patrol. Thank you for your service in the Vietnam War. 💪👃✨
Thank You Sir.
Real SF
True American Heros. Thanks for your service. May God walk with you for the rest of your life's.
Amazing stories.. heartbreaking to hear! Gary's books including "Eyes of the Eagle" are some of the best history of these brave men!
God Bless them all with His most gracious mercy.
Thank you for your service men
And many of those who came home got treated like crap by the public. 😢
Read a few of Gary Linderer’s books. Really good. Really good.
Me also. Six Silent Men is a series by three different guys in the 101st. Gone Native is another great one.
I am amazed at all the names I've remembered, penned onto pages, of men who existed, that I've never met. I heard the name Looney, then heard Souza, and I remembered Gary, and there he was.
REST IN PEACE LURP DOUG 2 TOURS V NAM
GLENDORA CA..
RIP GREATEST Generation and Their SON's!
I was privalaged to grow up with these Men as Hero's, teachers, neighbors, bosses, FAMILY and BUDDIES! Thank You! "I'm Sorry" my generation and "I" Gave away "your blood" scrifices for FREE.
God bless these men. Thank you for my freedom.
I agree, bless these men but your comment about freedom makes no sense.
They were fighting the VC in Vietnam - it had nothing to do with your freedom!
It had to do with the freedom of the citizens of South and North Vietnam
You fought self-trained farmers and non-military people. No war are "fun times" but stop victimizing yourselves.
The country you fought for are only praising you with medals, but those that need actual help do they get it? Those with traumas and injuries, are they well taken care of? Another question is, should you really force a certain goverment in someone else's country?
Excellent production. I could listen to their stories and hear that everlasting pain. God bless you and your fallen friends.
I am a 54 year old Englishman, I have no military service to my name. However, I am involved with military charities raising money for those that have served, that are in need. My minor contribution. All of my family served, Grandfather, Father,Uncles etc, in one form or another. And the sacrifice made by all who serve, especially those mentioned here ,so young, in such horrendous circumstances should never be forgotten, cast aside or belittled. As a Cousin across the pond, I forward our utmost admiration, respect and revrence to the memory of these poor souls, and those that carry that burden. Sadly thats all I can offer.
Thank you for sharing, we can remember that mad bastard Texan thanks to you. Mateship is forever, Lest We Forget
Thank you for your service and taking the time to share. Sorry for what you have had to sacrifice and witness. I truly wish you guys the best moving forward in your lives and 🙏 for all the men, women, children and parents that are affected by war.
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUVE DONE. MUCH RESPECT.
I could not begin to understand what the men went through over there my dad was a Marine and tunnel rat and I always wondered why he kept his feet so clean and was the way he was he had PTSD very bad and agent Orange 100% and i was born when he come back from over there and if that stuff they sprayed got in to your body could it effect his children they even said it got in to your DNA how would you go about being checked for it by your doctor or go to the VA medical center
Respect to these men
I love how the author of this video deletes/censors my responses to comments by others. Kind of hypocritical that happens since these veterans were supposedly fighting for people like me to have such a right
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Sorry guys. Don't what else to say. Live well.
Heroes! Everyone of them!
Much respect to these people who came before me. You all deserved so much better from your country. The way you were treated when you came home is absolutely criminal after what you had to endure. I luv each and every one of you and i pray for you all to have peace
Marine to our walk of all brothers our page is use fathers 54 years home Young men don't lose brothers well Semper fi
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OUR FAMILYS
The Vietnam war was a fresh memory as teenagers in the 70's and 80's, as a child I can recall the news of the early 70's and the flag draped coffins it sometimes showed. When it was our turn to join the Armed forces it, was the invasion of Panama and the Gulf War it has been a never ending cycle ever since.
My grandpa landed on Omaha Beach on Dday and had nightmares about his deployment thru Germany till he died at 74. The cost of war has been well documented on a personal level since the Great War and there’s still nothing that’s even remotely comparable to being in war, great thanks to all those that put yourselves in harms way for this country.
I hate this Vietnam veteran BS and drama. I'm a proud Vietnam/Draft resistor. There would be none of this garbage if all those guys resisted going to Vietnam. They allowed a dysfunctional Government to dictate their conscientious and choices. Nothing special or noble about that. They did not belong in Vietnam. It was not their fight. It was an Asian civil war for independence after decades of colonialism by France and Japan. Do Americans relate to independence, colonialism and civil war? Vietnam did nothing to Americans or the USA. These guys were nothing more than invaders and aggressors in someone else's country that did nothing to the US. We still have to put up with that war's BS 50 years later b/c of them.
They are not heroes or someone's victim. They are simply survivors of an American disaster they allowed themselves to participate in.
Did it make you feel good to put them down, to make yourself look better?
@@justinhensley3315 Yea, it does make me feel good to stand up to total BS. You should try it sometime. Maybe some younger people will read my posts and develop some critical thinking about allowing themselves to get sucked into future "Vietnams". These people sure didn't do it...did they?
It's an uphill battle since these clowns did not keep this country from getting into the same BS wars...like Lebanon, Somalia, Iraq and Afghanistan. And, lest we forget...don't keep Ukraine and Taiwan off that list yet.
@@topgeardelLOL it made you feel so good that you had to give yourself a lame thumbs up.
@@asmodeus1274he's telling you 100 % truth. Take it or leave it. Or get freedom fried.
@@albertcovington9942wtf are you blathering on about?
These men were so mistreated.....by our hippy citizens and the US Government.
I remember as a child....early 70's seeing graffiti from this time that read....USA...My Country Right or Wrong. Darn right.
No. We. Don't. Was. Never. Easy. Made me. Very. Angry. Bob13
I don't direct this comment towards any particular conflict; but I just wish our leaders treated violence with the seriousness it demands.
These are brave men; they're warriors. These kind of men don't need me to speak on their behalf.
As a citizen, when I hear loudmouth "war hawks" on either side of the aisle I just want to vomit. We have a few of them in the federal government today, maybe more than a few. As they tough-talk on the talk shows and in some cases literally write messages on bombs for the camera I feel something uglier than disgust.
I do believe the last 20 some odd years have changed how America views war. I believe that, for the most part and for their own reasons, the average American is more in agreement on avoiding foreign wars than they perhaps ever have been.
There is terrible evil in this world, and we, no matter how hard we try, cannot change that. That has always been true.
And it has also always been true that political leaders have taken advantage of American's idealistic nature to send the finest men and women our nation can produce to do hard and horrible work, and used them quite badly.
I don't at all mean to denigrate the service and sacrifice of the soldiers, marines, sailors and airmen we've asked to do their duty. I just mean that for the love of God and your fellow countrymen, don't take this gravest of responsibilities lightly.
Any one from 9 div. / 50 th. Infantry E company LLRP year 1967 God Bless them. 😂
All of that gusto and all of that idealism, the sense that what you're embarking on is all for a " Great and just cause", gets swept away the moment the rear door opens and the smell preceeding the wave of simmering heat glares at you with full contempt , welcoming you to " sunny South East Asia".
Horizontal rains driven by winds so thick it appeared to be a solid wall of water off of a waterfall pushed by some enormous fan driving it all sideways.
Morning and evenings, ground fog would rise up from the heating up of the jungle floor with what few areas could reach down from 160 foot tall triple canopy overstory that were available to receive the warmth of the sun.
You'd see shapes, forms, some certain pattern or a slight whirl of mist or fog that would give barely a trace as to its origin and without any further motion, the entire world felt like it had un-loaded and directed everything they had on you.
They had in fact, done just that but they weren't counting on the counter fire.
People get consumed by whats going on immediately to the front of them in , especially during.
itense brief split seconds of time lived in milliseconds of a life .
Most would be speechless to see just how fast all of this takes place and even more still , might not have the compunction to continue.
Wars ugly.
It's a dirty, nasty, grimy, hot, humid, sweaty dull and routine yet intensely horrifying time frame that isn't what some may feel it is.
The varying shapes and forms that a human body can take on when subjected to shearing jagged steel and the caveman appearances of wounds suffered are ample evidence on ones own to be convinced that it can happen to you too , just by being in the wrong place at the exact precise wrong moment in time.
When medics go through the feild medic course, the combat medic badge portion to be qualiied to do that job , they already have acknowledged that , some of their charges, will go down and there is a very high odds they too will go down while doing what they are fully committed to do.
Bring them back home, one way or another.
Sometimes, the optimum outcome, doesn't always happen.
My brothers, who I got back and mostly to those who I couldn't,
I stand for you....
Every single one.
Awful, awful war…..
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Informative !
The guy in the thumbnail looks like Graves from modern warfare 3.
Cry for nothing fight for nothing
What a pointless war & losses
Really, brother means "slaughtering tribal people using spears wearing leaves for underwear using napalm and machine guns?"
The more you know i guess.
Imagine subjecting your own young people to this because of power games.
Neither do old ones.
Sky Soldiers!
Dumbest add ever
Very sad indeed
So fkin sad
Do you all know how to find Vietnam on a map?
would have been better without the stupid music, couldnt hear him at times
Welcome home,thank you all for your service.👊🏻🇺🇸
serving what, he's a terrorist. you probably support Hamas too
May my brothers rest in peace and may the ones still living their nightmares find peace. Semper Fi 3/3, 68-69 USMC RADIO operator. Made it home without to much damage to now have to deal with cancer from agent orange
Down but not out.
As a combat Vietnam Vet Army 67&68, I know your demons to well. It's always with us. I hope you're honoring our brothers who didn't return, by living a life they were unable too. They will not be forgotten. Welcome home!
One of the hardest thing I've seen was that they couldn't bond with new friends the same way back home they just can't relate. We are now at the point where nam vets are dropping off. I remember first hand stories of WW2 guys saying the same things. Brotherhood never changes.
I feel for them all.
I lost both my best friends before I was 25, and I dare say I've never healed.neithet were soldiers mind you. One died from a freak medical incident, and choked to death on a 40 yard walk to the shop. He was 22.
Ashley died from a drug use. He was celebrating the birth of his son and took some dodgy tablets.
Young men never recover from the loss of our friends.