Kaido does have, and used it against Gear 5 Luffy, though it was shown better in anime, subtle signs of red eyes just before Goofy Luffy about to run here n there and attack him with Lightning. Kaido always jumped straight to Luffy, keeping up with the ridiculous power.
If anything, Kaido proves how stupidly broken the addition of future sight to an already broken arsenal is. The one time he used it to flex on Luffy, he absolutely outplayed him.
Liam I believe you misspoke! Kaido in his fight against Luffy does indeed say “you’re not the only one who can see the future” which would imply Kaido does have future sight. I believe this happens in their 2nd confrontation on the roof after Luffy rides on Momo
He did use it to escape snake man by turning into his gigantic dragon form and mimicking Luffy bending attacks by bending his own body to bite Luffy followed by blasting him through onigashima with his aura breath.
Because of scaling, from wci to wano has a huge power cliff because the manga needed stronger characters to feel more like a challenge then the previous ones.
@@fwACE_99thats just a misunderstanding by powerscalers mainly due to the one scene of luffy getting knocked out by kaido. Oda actually did a pretty good job at figuring out a way for luffy to match up to kaido in a short time and it was with Ryou aka advanced armament haki. Since it was stated by many characters that kaidos scales were far too difficult to penetrate and that luffy needed ryou to actually deal damage to kaido. What supports this is the fact that at no point in the series did luffy ever get magically stronger without some serious training or unlocking a new ability. And realistically luffy only ever trained once during the timeskip, all of his other powerups were either very very gradual or he just unlocked new abilities.
One element that might make a difference is familiarity. Most of Zoro's fights are puzzles where he needs to understand how his opponent works before he can take them apart. With Katakuri he has a head start, because his powers are so similar to Luffy's to begin with.
Kaido literally used future sight against snakeman, kaido is just so fast and durable that he never really feels the need to use it. Also conqueror's has a massive speed boost as we saw with luffy easily dodging thunder bagua in his base despite barely dodging it before with just future sight
No that was because in chapter 1037 Luffy used gear 2 to dodge thunder bagua(you can see the pose before he dodges it) but in chapter 1001 Luffy was in base therefore slower.
I think you left out an important ability that does make Zoro have an attack that could go slightly in the direction of snake man. The inexplicable ability asura where he basically clones 2 extra of every sword and the body part holding the swords. Nobody knows how it works, but the clones are there for a reason, and I think having 9 swords being flung at you by the future greatest swordsman would be confusing and hard to avoid.
I feel like there were far more actually important variables in this that gave Katakuri the edge. Like with the time constraint, Zoro could straight up die for taking too long whereas Karakuri would just be getting hangry.
I've been binge watching the Blue Banana Podcast since I discovered it last week and the amount of times I've heard about Liam's life size Zoro statue is staggering
Feels like the value of future sight is necessarily dependent on how its used. Kaido, being the previously invulnerable monster he was had no need for something that wouldn’t change the way he fought. Even luffy’s original use of FS is just a copy of what katakuri does. Katakuri’s use of FS was the perfect blend with his paramecia, like the mochi he used it flexibly. Place me firmly in the “underrated” camp for future sight.
Katakuri’s power feels gimmicky at the highest level. He’s never gonna lose to people objectively weaker than him but won’t overcome those objectively stronger either. Zoro is linearly strong giving him the ability to hang with much stronger opponents but also be able to lose to weaker ones that can hard counter him and in this case Katakuri. That said Zoro has more room to improve and when the gap between his ceiling and floor closes he will propel to the truly elite level. Whereas Katakuri is so dependent on future sight if he choose to not use it in battle to hone the other aspects of his skill he will have a major handicap and likely have to start from scratch if he wants those skills to be relevant at a high level fight.
I think it's one of those situations where once an enemy is defeated, they're suddenly seen as a lot weaker than they really are. I'm sure that if Kizaru is really down for the count, we're going to have "Can post Egghead Zoro take on Kizaru?".
What dude said above me. Evidence: Beginning of Wano Bounceman Luffy (who is relative to Katakuri) got one shot AND speed blitzed. 3 weeks later he pulls up and manages to dodge Kaido's attack that PREVIOUSLY SPEED BLITZED BOUNCEMAN...in BASE. As well as clashing and tanking SEVERAL hits (again, previously got one shot). That means that in just 3 weeks Luffy got around 4x stronger and faster (or maybe more) which puts Luffy's BASE at above Katakuri. Plus he advanced all haki by I think his 2nd or 3rd fight, so he just gets even more powerful. To the point where base luffy could likely mid diff Katakuri. To tie this back to Zoro, I'm pretty sure Base luffy is relative to Zoro after the king of hell power up. Zoro might even be as strong as gear 2nd. The issue is that he doesn't also have future sight, but at this point his speed far surpasses Katakuri (especially being able to keep up with Flames off king and pretty much blitzing him). And Luffy confirmed that future sight is countered by pure speed. Against Katakuri only due to him being Awakened I believe Zoro would mid-high diff, since katakuri has crazy counters to Zoro but zoro outscales HEAVY atp in strength, speed, durability, and endurance. In conclusion: the infamous wano powercliff is real
@@ricksterrejust cuz luffy got stronger doesn’t mean everyone else did And we didn’t see luffys speed get any faster in base it’s just that he was calm during the raid while being enraged when he first fought kaido It’s been clearly established that you cant use observation haki if your emotions aren’t intact
@@ricksterreluffy needed to get a lot stronger because his opponent in wano was a yonko that is obviously a lot stronger than katakuri. Zoro now had to fight a commander so he got to first commander level (like katakuri). The characters did get stronger but that's because they fought higher ranked opponents not because beast pirates are above big mom pirates
I hate powerscaling. It all boils down to "my favourite character is better than your favourite character" more than anything else. Discussing how different types of powers and Devil Fruits of One Piece setting would work together or against each other can be interesting, but even that often leads to online arguments over meaningless things.
Yeah honestly at the end of the day the characters are as strong as Oda writes them to be, it's a story, not everything is going to make 100% sense to everyone. The fights are going to go the way Oda wants them to and I wouldn't want it any other way, people need to get over themselves tbh.
Powerscaling was making sense like years ago but right now there's so many annoying people that spin everything to agenda because like you said they like a character more than the other.
And how fighting techniques interact. Nami beat Ms. Doublefinger thanks to her unique knowledge of weather and Usopp's creation. Could she beat her without those? Probably not. Could she defeat her again? Probably (especially with Zeus) but now Ms Doublefinger is more aware of Nami's abilities and will fight accordingly.
I think the real situation with futuresight is that once it is introduced it's one of those things that becomes a real pain pervasively😅 As illustrated by Katakuri, I think you become basically unbeatable for 99% of opponents if they don't have futuresight and you have it to any noteworthy degree (i.e. a couple of seconds). So to preserve one's sanity, I think the when a known proficient futuresight user clashes with someone else it has to be assumed that they have atleast the level of futuresight required for it to be a non-factor, and that by Oda not drawing attention to it it implies it's not a noteworthy feature of the battle.
Not really. For most, having future sight would be a hindrance in a fight instead of helping. You need to also be able to make use of your future sight. What good does it do me to be able to see 2-3 seconds in the future if I do not have the reaction speed to utilize it? Can you imagine the concentration even needed for someone to be focused on combat, but also deal with and take into account flashes of the future that they keep repeatedly seeing whilst in combat? It is not like they have prior knowledge of what is gonna happen upon which they act. They learn now, what's gonna happen...now. (get the pun? because the in-between time had already passed by the time I was writing the second now). You could argue that all who have future sight are capable enough to use it mid-combat without it being a hindrance. However, Kaido doesn't. If Kaido could use future sight repeatedly mid-combat and have it not be a malus to him, he would have. The fact that the strongest creature in existence did not spam an ability he obviously had is pretty much proof enough that even if one does have it, it doesn't mean they can use it to OP levels.
It’s a tricky match up for sure. I think if Zoro as he is now where to fight katakuri as he was when he fought Luffy, I’d say for sure, Zoro wins but I feel that’s ignoring Katakuri as a character. I garentee if Katakuri where to encounter the strawhats again, he will have leveled up his game. Maybe combining armorment Haki with his mochi body to increase his durability. Wouldn’t that be f***ing broken.
i think katakuri is a better fighter than king, but king is just simply way more durable and has a few more powerful attack imo, and zoro’s amount of attack he can take is crazy high so i doubt kat could take him down
Theory: Zoro vs Katakuri will end the same way Vin Diesel and The Rock's fights do in Fast and Furious...with a contract saying neither can ever lose again and they will have a convenient outlet to part ways each time.
7:32 I’d just like to add that Kaido used future sight against luffy to dodge lightning, they used the same animation effects as they did with katakuri
I feel like the reason people overestimate observation haki is because it was the first advanced haki we saw used in a tough fight against our mc. I think people underestimate it because of how powerful advanced conquerers haki is. I think that future sight is neat but people had a lot more time to ruminate with it rather than advanced conquerers which we only just recently got. And the power scalers in the op fandom have been running around with the idea that the top tiers in op all have future sight and that's what makes them the best.
For me that is the hard Confirmation that he is able to do it as well.(I think he more or less just chose not to use it since his main goal was to have epic death witch sadly didnt happen for him). Or Luckly for us.
I think people underestimate Zoro's hand to hand combat. Don't get me wrong, I don't think he can beat someone like sanji in hand to hand combat, but I do think he can keep up ( especially due to his far superior strength ) .
0:25 - Man, One Piece fans certainly have some strange takes. Like, I still can't get over how many people were legitimately convinced that Caesar Clown would join the crew, because "the crew needs a scientist" or some nonsense. Edit: Also, a lot of people already said this, but yeah, Kaido has Future Sight, he just doesn't use it that much, presumably to make fights more interesting.
Katakuri was by the side of the emperor whole his life, I doubt that he was never told that one can infuse oneself or weapons with CH thus he was simply unable to do it. Like Kaido said, "what will this knowledge give you?" (or something like that). Knowing that it is possible does not necessarily imply that everyone can do it. Probably every first crewmate with CH (Katakuri, Reilegh etc) at some point becomes aware of this feature but in the end, it is all about their capability to actually apply it. Hence, Katakuri, though being one of my favorite characters, would not be able to learn advanced CH from Zoro whereas Zoro might still learn advanced OH.
I personally think the Speed difference is decisive here, especially with Kat having Long-Range attack options (Zoro can't just wait for Kat to close distance to land shots). On the other hand, mid-fight adaptations can go any direction Oda wants it to go. Due to that, speculation doesn't matter
Katakuri needs to have semi logia effects Like mochi can be cut , but if you just mold it like clay itll just return to its original mass and shape And katakuri must return with advanced conquering haki And ryuo too I think itll be a stallmate Unless both of them go all out But both of them are too tough to die by one another Like how marco isnt strong enough for king and queen but cannot be defeated by them
I love that GrandLineReview completely disassociates awakening(the ability to make things into your devil fruit substances) and turning your non-logia body into your devil fruit substance to manipulate and move out of the way of attacks.
I've seen some dumb One Piece theories over the years, but thinking that Ulti, the second weakest Tobiroppo, could beat Katakuri, could be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Must have been bait.
One piece power creep is crazy, it's insane how Zoro's bounty (and maybe strength) has already surpassed Katakuri's even though the straw hats have been together for like a year
Take it as the straw hats are people who find themselves in numerous fights and push through to get the win. Essentially if anyone in one piece keeps doing the same successfully, then no matter what starting point you were at power wise, you could reach top tier levels as long as you don't hit a wall.
People just think that katakuri is weaker than king by default just because of His lunarian heritage and being Kaido's right hand man, at least Liam knows well, Katakuri has All three of Haki which he has mastered in rigorous combat and has even unlocked Future sight, while king can barely put standard observation and armament haki to good use King is lunarian so what, katakuri has genes from big mom, WHICH ARE HELLA STRONG, and There's a slight chance that he might even have buccaneer genes, Big mom isn't as big as the giants, and she sure ain't human to be born that size, At Least Kaido was fairly normal sized in his childhood King has a mere basic ancient zoan, while katakuri has awakened one of the most versatile devil fruit in the Series. And oh Katakuri is hella smart, if Zoro can figure out how to beat King with all that flame shit, Then I don't think there's a question that katakuri can do the same. So Alber loses, katakuri becomes the absolute king And also if you didn't notice it enough before, ASIDE FROM RAYLEIGH AND ZORO KATAKURI IS THE ONLY CONFIRMED VICE CAPTAIN TO HAVE CONQUERORS HAKI
I maybe mistaken. But kaido was predicting luffy moves at one point during their fight. He even commented on luffy use of future sight. I took it to mean that it doesn’t matter because luffy can’t hurt him and that he too can use future sight. As he proceeded to dodge luffy attacks . Luffy noticed that kaido was dodging his advanced armament blows
I'm a zoro fan, so I can't really make a reasonable decision on this matter. That being said it would be a very close match. It would take only a few if not just one hit for zoro to win but with future sight there's just no telling when zoro could land that hit. In the long run its all just hypothetical because I doubt that this fight will ever happen. If big mom is gone/dead then it would come down to who will take command of her pirate crew. The first or second son.
just to be told, Ashura mode overwhelmed Kaido and was very fast even for him, it was kaidos speed n agility (which isnt something ud say he has but he does like, he was a yonko!) so zoro enters ashura and even future sight cant have him dodge and katakuri gets one shot! IF ZORO IS ABLE TO FIND HIM THAT IS!
The Katakuri slander is insane. Hitting Kaido with an attack is nothing noteworthy. This dude Kaido was tagged by litteraly every attacks and made a point to not dodge at all. Because using your logic here Snake man was tagging Kaido hybrid form having that man screaming for his life. Yet Snake man could Barely touch Katakuri Katakuri stronger than Kaido confirmed ?
@@notforyou2893 Kaido tanked the attacks and katakuri evaded em, there is a difference, plus kaido doesnt use future sight! and Katakuri wasnt that durable too! And when i said zoro attacking Kaido, i meant when he cut him in Asura form hitting kaido and making a cut like Kozuki Oden, it is a big feat!
@@SamanyuDKumar Kaido have future sight. When Luffy was using Snake man he was hitting Kaido so hard he was screaming for his life then said don't assume you are the only one who can see the future then he also started dodging in his dragon form. Snake man is the form Luffy was using to keep up with Katakuri as Bound man couldn't attack with enough speed. Yeah Katakuri is no joke if Kaido had to start dodging attack from Luffy. You mention Zoro being relative to oden which is nonsense. When oden attacked Kaido he knocked him out of his transformation. When Zoro did it Kaido was bored .
My logic is that while Zoro is strong enough to beat mochi man, Katakuri is unmatched in skill and experience. He's got so many decades on Zoro in sheer amount of experience that Zoro can't touch him. Zoro's used conquerors haki maybe 3 times while Kata has it on lock
@meraj5393 key word is experience, not time. Buggy spent a few decades chilling in the east blue, while Katakuri was Big Mom's favorite attack dog. Probably the only reason his bounty isn't in the 2 billion range is that he's more useful to her on the island watching out for attacks
Unfortunately experience means very little in the world of One Piece. Luffy has more or less beaten many characters who were twice his age and twice as experienced. Shanks became a Yonko six years ago and he's also younger and technically less experienced than Kat. Everyone's growth rate and peak are different and unfortunately for Kat, Zoro's ceiling is a lot higher. Do I think Kat could possibly beat Zoro? Maybe. But by the end of the story Zoro will eclipse Kat and all of Kat's experience and years gap will go out the window to someone who achieved more power in less time
1:17 his studio is spacious, well lit up with white walls *shock*, I always imagined it being a small dark room because of the dark theme background he has in the videos
Wano really broke the one piece powerscale by giving Luffy absolutely stupid boosts in power, making base Luffy be stronger and possibly faster than G4 bounceman and then got more boosts on top of that, and Zoro still hangs around his power. So you can either think all Wano characters are stronger than Katakuri or the more logical bandaide to this issue is Katakuri was weaker in his fight with Luffy because he had no will to fight, and is actually much stronger than we saw
Can you make a video about what will happen to the Charlotte Family and Whole-Cake Island if Big Mom actually is dead? (Or returns ''weaker/loss of title'')
And maybe a video about how Smoker's Logia-Fruit is the only logia that cant manipulate existing smoke and how he only can turn his body to smoke, not create it endlessly or shoot it and cut it off from his body like other logias
Zoro is simply out of Kat league now . Kat could barley take a few hits from pre Wano Luffy so KoH or Asura would end him fast. Additionally Zoro can atleast handle Kings speed and blitz Kaido once so he will eventually land a hit on Kat.
Yeah REGARDLESS of whether anyone reads the Future... King of Hell Black Rope Dragon Twister used more than a few times until a SINGLE SLICE is Landed Just Right... GAME OVER.... you know? Or He juat gets lost and then Katakuri eats donuts and captures Lost Zoro when he's offguard.... But Enma and the Tátsūmákí technique with ANY of that Green DEATH Conquerors' Hákí and I call that PROBABLY Game Over within 20 seconds if he Maybe Dodges it once or even twice.... But HOPEFULLY Kat's on Team JoyBoy when we next see him....
Kaido does have future sight. But, the thing about future sight is that when a character is using it, that character is seeing the future in first person, obviously. So, if a character is using future sight, they would have to face the correct direction when using it, so their "eyes in the future" can see what's about to happen a couple of seconds in the future. And then the character has to understand what they saw when using future sight in order for that person to use it effectively. For example; when Katakuri was fighting Snake Man, Katakuri had a hard time understanding why he kept getting hit. And that's because Snake Man attacks kept hitting Katakuri outside of his field of view. So when Katakuri peeked into the future, he had no idea why he kept getting hit. It was only until Katakuri decided to use future sight in different directions to see what was going on. And that's when he saw in the future that Snake Man's attack were hitting him outside his field of view at the very last second. And once he realized how exactly he was getting hit, then he was able to counter. That's basically how future sight works. I think future sight would be more effective against Zoro since Zoro's attack are far more straightforward than Snake Man's attacks. Zoro usually attacks an opponent from the front, and usually anime slice dash passed an opponent when Zoro is trying to deal a finishing moves. Zoro's moves are powerful, but usually straightforward. And because Zoro is a more straightforward fighter and not a tricky technical fighter, than future sight, should work well against him. Since Katakuri should see every single attack that Zoro dishes out. But, just as Liam said, this fight could go either way.
It's ok that chimney was part of Gold Rodgers crew at one point so it doesn't count. Don't worry Zoro fans your boy is still on his impressive winning streak. Keep it up.
Kaido says to luffy "I hope you don't think you're the only one who can see the future" In Chapter 1042 I assumed that was him confirming he had future sight.
Zoro would hit Katakuri. We have to remember thar he blitzed flame off king and hybrid Kaido. Kaido in his base form blitzed and one shot someone relative to Katakuri. Zoro wins easily.
My girlfriend works for a company that distributed those coffee cans and brought me a box of them. I had a collection of different cans stacked up in a triangle. Had all the emperors including Whitebeard, Blackbeard, Shanks, Big Mom, Kaido, and a several other characters.
I’d love to see a Yonko crew match up analysis. Big Mom vs Beast pirates would be neat to analyze. We definitely never got to see it, closest was Perospero. Who would counter who?
I am still salty that we never saw Smoothie in combat. Or even know what Compotte's devil fruit does, even though she was referred as 'a monster' by Vito. Big Mom's crew definately feels strongest overall pirate group we have seen so far in so many regards. Mirror Fruit and Book-Book Fruit alone are quite hax abilities if used intelligently.
I'm gonna lean Katakuri for a bit of an odd reason, because part of the story arc of Whole Cake Island involves him overcoming his weakness to his perfectionism (such as his snack break,) so under the terms you provided I'd say his biggest limitation is a fraction of those imposed on Zoro, between two people who are largely otherwise evenly matched. (Since, whether intentionally or no, the entire Zoro endgame in Wano was a giant mind screw with no resolution.)
If any real power scaling were to be done here, I guess that what it really comes down to is who had the stronger commander? Kaido or Big Mom? If you start with the premise that King is above Katakuri, then Zoro wins easily. So for this to really be a fight you need to first establish that Katakuri is going to be a generally more powerful fighter than King which is difficult as they both have so few showings. I think we all know Zoro will eventually be the strongest yonko commander out there, but he's not there yet, so it's just a matter of where he is on the scale, which is likely above King and Shiryuu with Ben Beckmann and Katakuri as the unknowns.
Hahaha the clip of the one piece tcg match between Katakuri and Zoro was hilariously surprising since I’m an avid enjoyer of said game. I also happen to follow that particular content creator, The Strongest Wizard, and have been to those local tournaments. Small world.
I feel like Katakuri wouldn't learn as fast as Zoro since well, Plot Armor and the fact that Katakuri is way older than Zoro making it harder for him to learn anything.
The thing with the ability to see the future in just a couple of seconds is that there are things you may not be able to avoid (you may be able to react but not have enough time to get out of the way). Say you know a nuclear bomb 500 meters from you (I know this is extreme) will explode in the next 3 seconds. Sure you can start running but the blast will still catch you if you cannot get outside of its blast radius within the next 3 seconds. Or this could end up like the Charles vs Hakari fight if Zoro in his current form can attack or launch an attack faster than Katakuri's reaction speed or in such a way that he ends up having a blind spot or no way to evade. Zoro definitely can throw a barrage of attacks so broad in scope that the opponent's only move is to tank it, in that sense, running away can be taken out as an option and would make the future sight not as effective but only good at making you "feel" pain twice.
Idk, Zoro's feats,his great attack potential,his reflexes,he has a faster attacks like death lion song and he blocked king when king used his speed mode,and he is one of the MC so he has more plot armor and his promise to luffy.... I will always bet on Zoro.
They way I see it is like this Kat went high diff with WCI luffy. Then a stronger version of luffy in wano was one shot by base kiado. Then a stronger version on kiado (hybrid) was then parried and blitzed by (wano) Zoro.the idea that (wano) Zoro isnt stronger than (WCI) luffy is crazy. People really say “but but future sight” like it really matters. The facts are Zoro in wano isnt getting speed blitzed like WIC luffy. Ask King if moving really fast works. And Zoro is most likely the most durable mofo in the series with one of the highest APs in the series. The attacks that Zoro will be throwing at kat leaves no room for error, whereas we’ve seen Zoro tank stronger attacks than we’ve seen Kat dish out. unkess kat is throwing out thunder buguas, and ocean sovereignty left right. One attack that put down luffy and the other would’ve ended the wano arc. Zoro v Kat. Zoro wins
I do think Katakuri is stronger than King, Queen, Jack and the Tobi Roppo individually. Kaido and Big Mom are roughly equal in strength to each other but Smoothie, Cracker, and Perospero have largely proven themselves useless- either losing to sub commander level fighters or being too incompetent to take part in the battle to begin with, but something has to be keeping the BM and Beast pirates comparable to keep Kaido from just wiping out Big Mom like how he attempted to against Whitebeard and I think Katakuri is the piece that keeps them both even. Also if the BM and Beast pirates have fought even once that nearly confirms that Katakuri is stronger than one of these fighters at the very least since he is confirmed to have never lost prior to Luffy.
that last point is actually extremely valid cause that could mean that Katakuri was already on the level of King (maybe) and therefor if Katakuri was to continue getting stronger after Luffy it may be bending towards Katakuri's side (though for plot reasons probably Zoro will best him in the end, if it isnt going to be a match point tie)
You forgot that Katakuri has the power of awakening, he can immobilize Zoro and then he can use him as a punching bag or he can choke Zoro out of breath with too many Mochi just like he did with Luffy or he can directly take Zoro's swords. Not to mention Katakuri can attack almost any angle with hig speed
Yeah but Zoro has speed feats comparable to King and above WCI Snakeman Luffy by quite a bit. Considering he was able to keep up with flames off king with ease, Katakuri's speed wont be an issue. Even if he tries to immobilize zoro, zoro could just cut his mochi up to get out of it (I don't know how but 0 sword style goes crazy)
7:35 Kaido does have future sight, he fought Luffy's Snake man mode by looking into the future and dodging him in his dragon form while drunk. He also said "is this how you do it?'
Kaido actually does have future sight. He even used it blind, stinking drunk, so he's probably really good at it.
Nah kaido just fights better drunk
Yeah bros a 1 handed Aussie 😂
@@IndoorGarden420He said he had it.
Kaido does have, and used it against Gear 5 Luffy, though it was shown better in anime, subtle signs of red eyes just before Goofy Luffy about to run here n there and attack him with Lightning. Kaido always jumped straight to Luffy, keeping up with the ridiculous power.
@@lonewolf9325that Gear 5 moment was anime original. In the manga, Kaido used future sight against Gear 4 Snakeman to dodge Luffy's punches
If anything, Kaido proves how stupidly broken the addition of future sight to an already broken arsenal is. The one time he used it to flex on Luffy, he absolutely outplayed him.
Liam I believe you misspoke! Kaido in his fight against Luffy does indeed say “you’re not the only one who can see the future” which would imply Kaido does have future sight. I believe this happens in their 2nd confrontation on the roof after Luffy rides on Momo
He does have future sight
Yeah, pretty sure he had it, although from what the panels showed, as well as the fact that he doesn't seem to use it much, it isn't the best.
100% has future sight
luffy rides on momo 😮
He did use it to escape snake man by turning into his gigantic dragon form and mimicking Luffy bending attacks by bending his own body to bite Luffy followed by blasting him through onigashima with his aura breath.
The fact that people claim that ulti is stronger then katacuri based on the 1 headbutt she threw at luffy combined with her durability is crazy
She's not even the strongest tobi roppo.
Because of scaling, from wci to wano has a huge power cliff because the manga needed stronger characters to feel more like a challenge then the previous ones.
@@fwACE_99thats just a misunderstanding by powerscalers mainly due to the one scene of luffy getting knocked out by kaido. Oda actually did a pretty good job at figuring out a way for luffy to match up to kaido in a short time and it was with Ryou aka advanced armament haki. Since it was stated by many characters that kaidos scales were far too difficult to penetrate and that luffy needed ryou to actually deal damage to kaido.
What supports this is the fact that at no point in the series did luffy ever get magically stronger without some serious training or unlocking a new ability. And realistically luffy only ever trained once during the timeskip, all of his other powerups were either very very gradual or he just unlocked new abilities.
@@adammk8473Post ts u mean
@@adammk8473 what does all of this have to do with my point, you could've summarized this
One element that might make a difference is familiarity. Most of Zoro's fights are puzzles where he needs to understand how his opponent works before he can take them apart. With Katakuri he has a head start, because his powers are so similar to Luffy's to begin with.
Counter Argument : Zoro also loses his greatest weapon and would be at a steep disadvantage if he fought Katakuri
He is white
Very True
@@sephikong8323 haven't thought about this 🤔
Kaido literally used future sight against snakeman, kaido is just so fast and durable that he never really feels the need to use it. Also conqueror's has a massive speed boost as we saw with luffy easily dodging thunder bagua in his base despite barely dodging it before with just future sight
No that was because in chapter 1037 Luffy used gear 2 to dodge thunder bagua(you can see the pose before he dodges it) but in chapter 1001 Luffy was in base therefore slower.
Conquerors isn't a speed boost at all. It boosts attack power.
Wait, didn't Kaido have future sight? He told Luffy in the fight that he's not the only one with it. Am I wrong?
He did
Yes he has it
Yes and he wasn’t using it against zoro
You're right ! he has it !
I think you left out an important ability that does make Zoro have an attack that could go slightly in the direction of snake man. The inexplicable ability asura where he basically clones 2 extra of every sword and the body part holding the swords. Nobody knows how it works, but the clones are there for a reason, and I think having 9 swords being flung at you by the future greatest swordsman would be confusing and hard to avoid.
It’s possible he could tank direct hits in that form also
Asura has never been shown to give zoro speed it’s really just a powerboost
Yeah it would
I feel like there were far more actually important variables in this that gave Katakuri the edge. Like with the time constraint, Zoro could straight up die for taking too long whereas Karakuri would just be getting hangry.
I've been binge watching the Blue Banana Podcast since I discovered it last week and the amount of times I've heard about Liam's life size Zoro statue is staggering
well, if you buy a statue for i dunno.. 2000dollar.. you might as well brag about it :D
@@schippes24 I neither blame him nor am I complaining 😂
Feels like the value of future sight is necessarily dependent on how its used. Kaido, being the previously invulnerable monster he was had no need for something that wouldn’t change the way he fought. Even luffy’s original use of FS is just a copy of what katakuri does. Katakuri’s use of FS was the perfect blend with his paramecia, like the mochi he used it flexibly. Place me firmly in the “underrated” camp for future sight.
Katakuri’s power feels gimmicky at the highest level. He’s never gonna lose to people objectively weaker than him but won’t overcome those objectively stronger either. Zoro is linearly strong giving him the ability to hang with much stronger opponents but also be able to lose to weaker ones that can hard counter him and in this case Katakuri. That said Zoro has more room to improve and when the gap between his ceiling and floor closes he will propel to the truly elite level. Whereas Katakuri is so dependent on future sight if he choose to not use it in battle to hone the other aspects of his skill he will have a major handicap and likely have to start from scratch if he wants those skills to be relevant at a high level fight.
Yes good points
I think it's one of those situations where once an enemy is defeated, they're suddenly seen as a lot weaker than they really are. I'm sure that if Kizaru is really down for the count, we're going to have "Can post Egghead Zoro take on Kizaru?".
That's a strawman argument there's real evidence and reasoning why people say theirs a wano power cliff and that zoro scales above Katakuri.
What dude said above me.
Evidence:
Beginning of Wano Bounceman Luffy (who is relative to Katakuri) got one shot AND speed blitzed.
3 weeks later he pulls up and manages to dodge Kaido's attack that PREVIOUSLY SPEED BLITZED BOUNCEMAN...in BASE. As well as clashing and tanking SEVERAL hits (again, previously got one shot). That means that in just 3 weeks Luffy got around 4x stronger and faster (or maybe more) which puts Luffy's BASE at above Katakuri. Plus he advanced all haki by I think his 2nd or 3rd fight, so he just gets even more powerful. To the point where base luffy could likely mid diff Katakuri.
To tie this back to Zoro, I'm pretty sure Base luffy is relative to Zoro after the king of hell power up. Zoro might even be as strong as gear 2nd. The issue is that he doesn't also have future sight, but at this point his speed far surpasses Katakuri (especially being able to keep up with Flames off king and pretty much blitzing him). And Luffy confirmed that future sight is countered by pure speed. Against Katakuri only due to him being Awakened I believe Zoro would mid-high diff, since katakuri has crazy counters to Zoro but zoro outscales HEAVY atp in strength, speed, durability, and endurance.
In conclusion: the infamous wano powercliff is real
@@ricksterrejust cuz luffy got stronger doesn’t mean everyone else did
And we didn’t see luffys speed get any faster in base it’s just that he was calm during the raid while being enraged when he first fought kaido
It’s been clearly established that you cant use observation haki if your emotions aren’t intact
@@ricksterreluffy needed to get a lot stronger because his opponent in wano was a yonko that is obviously a lot stronger than katakuri. Zoro now had to fight a commander so he got to first commander level (like katakuri). The characters did get stronger but that's because they fought higher ranked opponents not because beast pirates are above big mom pirates
I hate powerscaling. It all boils down to "my favourite character is better than your favourite character" more than anything else. Discussing how different types of powers and Devil Fruits of One Piece setting would work together or against each other can be interesting, but even that often leads to online arguments over meaningless things.
This is so true, especially with One Piece.
I guess people are going to say Usopp no diff Akainu because Usoland is their favorite character .
Yeah honestly at the end of the day the characters are as strong as Oda writes them to be, it's a story, not everything is going to make 100% sense to everyone. The fights are going to go the way Oda wants them to and I wouldn't want it any other way, people need to get over themselves tbh.
Powerscaling was making sense like years ago but right now there's so many annoying people that spin everything to agenda because like you said they like a character more than the other.
And how fighting techniques interact. Nami beat Ms. Doublefinger thanks to her unique knowledge of weather and Usopp's creation. Could she beat her without those? Probably not. Could she defeat her again? Probably (especially with Zeus) but now Ms Doublefinger is more aware of Nami's abilities and will fight accordingly.
I think the real situation with futuresight is that once it is introduced it's one of those things that becomes a real pain pervasively😅 As illustrated by Katakuri, I think you become basically unbeatable for 99% of opponents if they don't have futuresight and you have it to any noteworthy degree (i.e. a couple of seconds). So to preserve one's sanity, I think the when a known proficient futuresight user clashes with someone else it has to be assumed that they have atleast the level of futuresight required for it to be a non-factor, and that by Oda not drawing attention to it it implies it's not a noteworthy feature of the battle.
to dumb it down, Zoro wouldnt win by future sight even if he did obtain it (still could very much win though)
Not really. For most, having future sight would be a hindrance in a fight instead of helping. You need to also be able to make use of your future sight. What good does it do me to be able to see 2-3 seconds in the future if I do not have the reaction speed to utilize it? Can you imagine the concentration even needed for someone to be focused on combat, but also deal with and take into account flashes of the future that they keep repeatedly seeing whilst in combat? It is not like they have prior knowledge of what is gonna happen upon which they act. They learn now, what's gonna happen...now. (get the pun? because the in-between time had already passed by the time I was writing the second now).
You could argue that all who have future sight are capable enough to use it mid-combat without it being a hindrance. However, Kaido doesn't. If Kaido could use future sight repeatedly mid-combat and have it not be a malus to him, he would have. The fact that the strongest creature in existence did not spam an ability he obviously had is pretty much proof enough that even if one does have it, it doesn't mean they can use it to OP levels.
Nice effect with the lights making one green and the other purple
kaido does have future sight but he only used it once just to flex on luffy lmao
7:33 holup, did I hear Kaido does not have future sight?
It’s a tricky match up for sure. I think if Zoro as he is now where to fight katakuri as he was when he fought Luffy, I’d say for sure, Zoro wins but I feel that’s ignoring Katakuri as a character. I garentee if Katakuri where to encounter the strawhats again, he will have leveled up his game. Maybe combining armorment Haki with his mochi body to increase his durability. Wouldn’t that be f***ing broken.
its weirdly the perfect matchup
Yes also gear 5 Luffy vs Kaido when Luffy use the lightning ⚡️ Kaido used future sight to dodge the attack
i think katakuri is a better fighter than king, but king is just simply way more durable and has a few more powerful attack imo, and zoro’s amount of attack he can take is crazy high so i doubt kat could take him down
i think thats why the whole haki timer on enma was brought up
@@thetruecakehead true, i think i just be commenting too early sometimes
"Offscreened Ulti"
Hurts so bad after jujutsu kaisen
Kaido definitely has future sight. It was even used during his fight with luffy
I love how unbiased and technical this video is!
I believe Kaido used future sight in his fight with Luffy, but also said it is very draining.
Theory: Zoro vs Katakuri will end the same way Vin Diesel and The Rock's fights do in Fast and Furious...with a contract saying neither can ever lose again and they will have a convenient outlet to part ways each time.
With the level of advancement Kaido possesses, he obviously has future-sight.
Also katakuri has conquerors he doesnt have 'conquerors infusion'.
Wth is conquerors infusion heard of conquerors haki
@@IndoorGarden420Advanced Conq
7:32 I’d just like to add that Kaido used future sight against luffy to dodge lightning, they used the same animation effects as they did with katakuri
Not only that, kaido explicitly says to luffy that he can use future sight in his thieving dragon form, he used it to avoid the black mamba attack
I feel like the reason people overestimate observation haki is because it was the first advanced haki we saw used in a tough fight against our mc. I think people underestimate it because of how powerful advanced conquerers haki is. I think that future sight is neat but people had a lot more time to ruminate with it rather than advanced conquerers which we only just recently got. And the power scalers in the op fandom have been running around with the idea that the top tiers in op all have future sight and that's what makes them the best.
if kizaru had future sight he'd be unbeatable
I've seen the opposite from my experience. I've seen most powerscalers say that adv coq is what makes a character a high tier
The editor had a field day with this one😂 (notes Girantina)
Kaido had Future sight.(When Luffy used it against him he stated and i Quote"Dont think you are the only one who can see into the future").
For me that is the hard Confirmation that he is able to do it as well.(I think he more or less just chose not to use it since his main goal was to have epic death witch sadly didnt happen for him). Or Luckly for us.
Kaido used future sight in 1042 I thought.
I think people underestimate Zoro's hand to hand combat. Don't get me wrong, I don't think he can beat someone like sanji in hand to hand combat, but I do think he can keep up ( especially due to his far superior strength ) .
Oh if serious I see him beating Sanji as he is stronger than black foot sanji
I refuse to believe he doesn't have some aikido skills
he did fight sanji without swords during the davy back fight
@@alicepbg2042 I know right , that's why I strongly believe that he can at the least keep up .
@@IndoorGarden420 But what about Ifrit jambe Sanji? I'm sorry but Zoro need his sword for this one and even with that, it not sure that he'll win.
0:25 - Man, One Piece fans certainly have some strange takes. Like, I still can't get over how many people were legitimately convinced that Caesar Clown would join the crew, because "the crew needs a scientist" or some nonsense.
Edit: Also, a lot of people already said this, but yeah, Kaido has Future Sight, he just doesn't use it that much, presumably to make fights more interesting.
Katakuri was by the side of the emperor whole his life, I doubt that he was never told that one can infuse oneself or weapons with CH thus he was simply unable to do it. Like Kaido said, "what will this knowledge give you?" (or something like that). Knowing that it is possible does not necessarily imply that everyone can do it. Probably every first crewmate with CH (Katakuri, Reilegh etc) at some point becomes aware of this feature but in the end, it is all about their capability to actually apply it. Hence, Katakuri, though being one of my favorite characters, would not be able to learn advanced CH from Zoro whereas Zoro might still learn advanced OH.
that is purely based on an "if" factor, though Oda may end up surprising us
Zoro managed to learn advanced Conquerors in the same arc that he awakened it, bro is actually a beast
Zoro doesnt have acoc tho
"A steaming pile of Conqueror's Haki"!!? xD xD
I love this guy!
I personally think the Speed difference is decisive here, especially with Kat having Long-Range attack options (Zoro can't just wait for Kat to close distance to land shots). On the other hand, mid-fight adaptations can go any direction Oda wants it to go. Due to that, speculation doesn't matter
I mean zoro is definitely faster than kat but ok?
I believe Sanji is more durable than Zorro but would lose to Zoro in
a fight. I believe Sanji would defeat katakiri
Kaido has future sight, he said it to Luffy, something like: You think you are the only one who can see the future?
Yeah i wanna say that too😏😅
The better matchup is katakuri vs king. That Muhammad Ali part was funny af though 💀
Katakuri needs to have semi logia effects
Like mochi can be cut , but if you just mold it like clay itll just return to its original mass and shape
And katakuri must return with advanced conquering haki
And ryuo too
I think itll be a stallmate
Unless both of them go all out
But both of them are too tough to die by one another
Like how marco isnt strong enough for king and queen but cannot be defeated by them
Lol katakuri I used to hate when he would eat mochi and doughnuts omg that big arse mouth like a pelican
what do you mean ryuo? That's just the word wano people have for haki. You mean advanced armament?
@@distributistsshrekvideo yeah sorry not fully in tune
Dude I love these kind of videos, and picturing Kat with advanced conquerors got me hype, this matchup is closer than I thought
7:33 didn't kaido use future sight once in his fight with luffy ,but i believe he doesn't like using it[flirty drunk kaido chapter 1042]
I love that GrandLineReview completely disassociates awakening(the ability to make things into your devil fruit substances) and turning your non-logia body into your devil fruit substance to manipulate and move out of the way of attacks.
Kaido did demonstrate future sight against luffy and even said he can do it too
0:18 Lmao this got me 😂.
They right tho 😳
Zoro fans like
Ong
Zoros wins though
@@meltdown2264with what proof?
@@alexbrandao8062he has better feats read the manga
@@wearemusichq1417narative broski
I've seen some dumb One Piece theories over the years, but thinking that Ulti, the second weakest Tobiroppo, could beat Katakuri, could be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Must have been bait.
Who do you think is the strongest swordsman after mihawk currently in the story ?
Is it fugitora the one from the 5 elder or anyone else ?!
Dwayne ''the rock'' johnson
maybe shanks?
"Both are first commanders of an emperor of the sea"... actually false😂 katakuri is unemployed
One piece power creep is crazy, it's insane how Zoro's bounty (and maybe strength) has already surpassed Katakuri's even though the straw hats have been together for like a year
Take it as the straw hats are people who find themselves in numerous fights and push through to get the win. Essentially if anyone in one piece keeps doing the same successfully, then no matter what starting point you were at power wise, you could reach top tier levels as long as you don't hit a wall.
People just think that katakuri is weaker than king by default just because of His lunarian heritage and being Kaido's right hand man, at least Liam knows well,
Katakuri has All three of Haki which he has mastered in rigorous combat and has even unlocked Future sight, while king can barely put standard observation and armament haki to good use
King is lunarian so what, katakuri has genes from big mom, WHICH ARE HELLA STRONG, and There's a slight chance that he might even have buccaneer genes, Big mom isn't as big as the giants, and she sure ain't human to be born that size, At Least Kaido was fairly normal sized in his childhood
King has a mere basic ancient zoan, while katakuri has awakened one of the most versatile devil fruit in the Series.
And oh Katakuri is hella smart, if Zoro can figure out how to beat King with all that flame shit, Then I don't think there's a question that katakuri can do the same.
So Alber loses, katakuri becomes the absolute king
And also if you didn't notice it enough before, ASIDE FROM RAYLEIGH AND ZORO KATAKURI IS THE ONLY CONFIRMED VICE CAPTAIN TO HAVE CONQUERORS HAKI
I maybe mistaken. But kaido was predicting luffy moves at one point during their fight. He even commented on luffy use of future sight. I took it to mean that it doesn’t matter because luffy can’t hurt him and that he too can use future sight. As he proceeded to dodge luffy attacks . Luffy noticed that kaido was dodging his advanced armament blows
I'm a zoro fan, so I can't really make a reasonable decision on this matter. That being said it would be a very close match. It would take only a few if not just one hit for zoro to win but with future sight there's just no telling when zoro could land that hit. In the long run its all just hypothetical because I doubt that this fight will ever happen. If big mom is gone/dead then it would come down to who will take command of her pirate crew. The first or second son.
just to be told, Ashura mode overwhelmed Kaido and was very fast even for him, it was kaidos speed n agility (which isnt something ud say he has but he does like, he was a yonko!) so zoro enters ashura and even future sight cant have him dodge and katakuri gets one shot!
IF ZORO IS ABLE TO FIND HIM THAT IS!
The Katakuri slander is insane. Hitting Kaido with an attack is nothing noteworthy.
This dude Kaido was tagged by litteraly every attacks and made a point to not dodge at all.
Because using your logic here Snake man was tagging Kaido hybrid form having that man screaming for his life.
Yet Snake man could Barely touch Katakuri
Katakuri stronger than Kaido confirmed ?
@@notforyou2893 Kaido tanked the attacks and katakuri evaded em, there is a difference, plus kaido doesnt use future sight!
and Katakuri wasnt that durable too!
And when i said zoro attacking Kaido, i meant when he cut him in Asura form hitting kaido and making a cut like Kozuki Oden, it is a big feat!
@@SamanyuDKumar Kaido have future sight.
When Luffy was using Snake man he was hitting Kaido so hard he was screaming for his life then said don't assume you are the only one who can see the future then he also started dodging in his dragon form.
Snake man is the form Luffy was using to keep up with Katakuri as Bound man couldn't attack with enough speed.
Yeah Katakuri is no joke if Kaido had to start dodging attack from Luffy.
You mention Zoro being relative to oden which is nonsense. When oden attacked Kaido he knocked him out of his transformation. When Zoro did it Kaido was bored .
My logic is that while Zoro is strong enough to beat mochi man, Katakuri is unmatched in skill and experience. He's got so many decades on Zoro in sheer amount of experience that Zoro can't touch him. Zoro's used conquerors haki maybe 3 times while Kata has it on lock
time isn't important buggy is older then zoro. he is definately not more experienced.
@meraj5393 key word is experience, not time. Buggy spent a few decades chilling in the east blue, while Katakuri was Big Mom's favorite attack dog. Probably the only reason his bounty isn't in the 2 billion range is that he's more useful to her on the island watching out for attacks
Unfortunately experience means very little in the world of One Piece. Luffy has more or less beaten many characters who were twice his age and twice as experienced. Shanks became a Yonko six years ago and he's also younger and technically less experienced than Kat.
Everyone's growth rate and peak are different and unfortunately for Kat, Zoro's ceiling is a lot higher. Do I think Kat could possibly beat Zoro? Maybe. But by the end of the story Zoro will eclipse Kat and all of Kat's experience and years gap will go out the window to someone who achieved more power in less time
I love that you have these type of videos for break week. I rewatch most of them through break weeks XD. Such great content. Thank you.
1:17 his studio is spacious, well lit up with white walls *shock*, I always imagined it being a small dark room because of the dark theme background he has in the videos
I think using enma is more taxing than using future sight. So its zoro that needs to end things quickly. Not katakuri
That Ali-kuri clip is awesome 😂
Wait, I thought kaido used future sight for a second during his fight vs luffy
Nice breakdown or the factors in this 1v1
Wano really broke the one piece powerscale by giving Luffy absolutely stupid boosts in power, making base Luffy be stronger and possibly faster than G4 bounceman and then got more boosts on top of that, and Zoro still hangs around his power. So you can either think all Wano characters are stronger than Katakuri or the more logical bandaide to this issue is Katakuri was weaker in his fight with Luffy because he had no will to fight, and is actually much stronger than we saw
Can you make a video about what will happen to the Charlotte Family and Whole-Cake Island if Big Mom actually is dead? (Or returns ''weaker/loss of title'')
And maybe a video about how Smoker's Logia-Fruit is the only logia that cant manipulate existing smoke and how he only can turn his body to smoke, not create it endlessly or shoot it and cut it off from his body like other logias
Zoro is simply out of Kat league now . Kat could barley take a few hits from pre Wano Luffy so KoH or Asura would end him fast. Additionally Zoro can atleast handle Kings speed and blitz Kaido once so he will eventually land a hit on Kat.
Yeah REGARDLESS of whether anyone reads the Future...
King of Hell Black Rope Dragon Twister used more than a few times until a SINGLE SLICE is Landed Just Right...
GAME OVER....
you know?
Or He juat gets lost and then Katakuri eats donuts and captures Lost Zoro when he's offguard....
But Enma and the Tátsūmákí technique with ANY of that Green DEATH Conquerors' Hákí and I call that PROBABLY Game Over within 20 seconds if he Maybe Dodges it once or even twice....
But HOPEFULLY Kat's on Team JoyBoy when we next see him....
Kaido does have future sight. But, the thing about future sight is that when a character is using it, that character is seeing the future in first person, obviously. So, if a character is using future sight, they would have to face the correct direction when using it, so their "eyes in the future" can see what's about to happen a couple of seconds in the future. And then the character has to understand what they saw when using future sight in order for that person to use it effectively.
For example; when Katakuri was fighting Snake Man, Katakuri had a hard time understanding why he kept getting hit. And that's because Snake Man attacks kept hitting Katakuri outside of his field of view. So when Katakuri peeked into the future, he had no idea why he kept getting hit. It was only until Katakuri decided to use future sight in different directions to see what was going on. And that's when he saw in the future that Snake Man's attack were hitting him outside his field of view at the very last second. And once he realized how exactly he was getting hit, then he was able to counter.
That's basically how future sight works. I think future sight would be more effective against Zoro since Zoro's attack are far more straightforward than Snake Man's attacks. Zoro usually attacks an opponent from the front, and usually anime slice dash passed an opponent when Zoro is trying to deal a finishing moves. Zoro's moves are powerful, but usually straightforward. And because Zoro is a more straightforward fighter and not a tricky technical fighter, than future sight, should work well against him. Since Katakuri should see every single attack that Zoro dishes out.
But, just as Liam said, this fight could go either way.
Don’t forget zoro also got bodied by mr 3 and Aoikiji. “I’ll never loose again” 🧢
1:42 you fucking katakuri face over the johnny bravo opening is perfect
Thank you for breaking this down logically instead of saying "Zoro no diffs"
It's ok that chimney was part of Gold Rodgers crew at one point so it doesn't count. Don't worry Zoro fans your boy is still on his impressive winning streak. Keep it up.
Zoro watches this video: he lets go of Emma. "Now I win, don't I, man on the internet?
One piece youtubers getting lost faster than Zoro when Oda takes a break
Kaido says to luffy "I hope you don't think you're the only one who can see the future" In Chapter 1042 I assumed that was him confirming he had future sight.
3:03 you forgot Kuma, and Kizaru when they appeared
Zoro would hit Katakuri. We have to remember thar he blitzed flame off king and hybrid Kaido. Kaido in his base form blitzed and one shot someone relative to Katakuri. Zoro wins easily.
that ending was gold thank you milord!~
My girlfriend works for a company that distributed those coffee cans and brought me a box of them. I had a collection of different cans stacked up in a triangle. Had all the emperors including Whitebeard, Blackbeard, Shanks, Big Mom, Kaido, and a several other characters.
I’d love to see a Yonko crew match up analysis.
Big Mom vs Beast pirates would be neat to analyze. We definitely never got to see it, closest was Perospero.
Who would counter who?
I am still salty that we never saw Smoothie in combat. Or even know what Compotte's devil fruit does, even though she was referred as 'a monster' by Vito.
Big Mom's crew definately feels strongest overall pirate group we have seen so far in so many regards. Mirror Fruit and Book-Book Fruit alone are quite hax abilities if used intelligently.
I'm gonna lean Katakuri for a bit of an odd reason, because part of the story arc of Whole Cake Island involves him overcoming his weakness to his perfectionism (such as his snack break,) so under the terms you provided I'd say his biggest limitation is a fraction of those imposed on Zoro, between two people who are largely otherwise evenly matched.
(Since, whether intentionally or no, the entire Zoro endgame in Wano was a giant mind screw with no resolution.)
will be a fitting mtachup if Katakuri has truly leveled up his game
If any real power scaling were to be done here, I guess that what it really comes down to is who had the stronger commander? Kaido or Big Mom? If you start with the premise that King is above Katakuri, then Zoro wins easily. So for this to really be a fight you need to first establish that Katakuri is going to be a generally more powerful fighter than King which is difficult as they both have so few showings. I think we all know Zoro will eventually be the strongest yonko commander out there, but he's not there yet, so it's just a matter of where he is on the scale, which is likely above King and Shiryuu with Ben Beckmann and Katakuri as the unknowns.
Zoro fans pulled up repping
Hahaha the clip of the one piece tcg match between Katakuri and Zoro was hilariously surprising since I’m an avid enjoyer of said game. I also happen to follow that particular content creator, The Strongest Wizard, and have been to those local tournaments. Small world.
I feel like Katakuri wouldn't learn as fast as Zoro since well, Plot Armor and the fact that Katakuri is way older than Zoro making it harder for him to learn anything.
i agree with the plot armor point but age doesnt really have a learning factor in one piece
The thing with the ability to see the future in just a couple of seconds is that there are things you may not be able to avoid (you may be able to react but not have enough time to get out of the way). Say you know a nuclear bomb 500 meters from you (I know this is extreme) will explode in the next 3 seconds. Sure you can start running but the blast will still catch you if you cannot get outside of its blast radius within the next 3 seconds. Or this could end up like the Charles vs Hakari fight if Zoro in his current form can attack or launch an attack faster than Katakuri's reaction speed or in such a way that he ends up having a blind spot or no way to evade. Zoro definitely can throw a barrage of attacks so broad in scope that the opponent's only move is to tank it, in that sense, running away can be taken out as an option and would make the future sight not as effective but only good at making you "feel" pain twice.
Idk, Zoro's feats,his great attack potential,his reflexes,he has a faster attacks like death lion song and he blocked king when king used his speed mode,and he is one of the MC so he has more plot armor and his promise to luffy....
I will always bet on Zoro.
This is why we don’t let one piece TH-camrs make powerscaling videos
Remember
No matter what you are comparing, the bias always wins
They way I see it is like this Kat went high diff with WCI luffy. Then a stronger version of luffy in wano was one shot by base kiado. Then a stronger version on kiado (hybrid) was then parried and blitzed by (wano) Zoro.the idea that (wano) Zoro isnt stronger than (WCI) luffy is crazy. People really say “but but future sight” like it really matters. The facts are Zoro in wano isnt getting speed blitzed like WIC luffy. Ask King if moving really fast works. And Zoro is most likely the most durable mofo in the series with one of the highest APs in the series. The attacks that Zoro will be throwing at kat leaves no room for error, whereas we’ve seen Zoro tank stronger attacks than we’ve seen Kat dish out. unkess kat is throwing out thunder buguas, and ocean sovereignty left right. One attack that put down luffy and the other would’ve ended the wano arc. Zoro v Kat. Zoro wins
Kaido Literally said he has future sight what?
Zoro = biggest plot armor in media history
Even though its a close fight, it doesnt stop the fact that they both make me buss 😫😫😫.
I remember kaido telling luffy“ur not the only one who can use future sight"...
I do think Katakuri is stronger than King, Queen, Jack and the Tobi Roppo individually. Kaido and Big Mom are roughly equal in strength to each other but Smoothie, Cracker, and Perospero have largely proven themselves useless- either losing to sub commander level fighters or being too incompetent to take part in the battle to begin with, but something has to be keeping the BM and Beast pirates comparable to keep Kaido from just wiping out Big Mom like how he attempted to against Whitebeard and I think Katakuri is the piece that keeps them both even. Also if the BM and Beast pirates have fought even once that nearly confirms that Katakuri is stronger than one of these fighters at the very least since he is confirmed to have never lost prior to Luffy.
that last point is actually extremely valid cause that could mean that Katakuri was already on the level of King (maybe) and therefor if Katakuri was to continue getting stronger after Luffy it may be bending towards Katakuri's side (though for plot reasons probably Zoro will best him in the end, if it isnt going to be a match point tie)
love your content
Zoro would just be like "okay how about an attack so big you can dodge!"
You forgot that Katakuri has the power of awakening, he can immobilize Zoro and then he can use him as a punching bag or he can choke Zoro out of breath with too many Mochi just like he did with Luffy or he can directly take Zoro's swords. Not to mention Katakuri can attack almost any angle with hig speed
though i would agree i believe Zoro would be able to get out of those situations if they were to come around
Yeah but Zoro has speed feats comparable to King and above WCI Snakeman Luffy by quite a bit. Considering he was able to keep up with flames off king with ease, Katakuri's speed wont be an issue. Even if he tries to immobilize zoro, zoro could just cut his mochi up to get out of it (I don't know how but 0 sword style goes crazy)
7:35 Kaido does have future sight, he fought Luffy's Snake man mode by looking into the future and dodging him in his dragon form while drunk. He also said "is this how you do it?'
kaido said "Youre not the only one that can see the future"
In the scaling world chopper while sleeping would low diff the mochi boy