Love him or hate him one thing about Sid is he’s brutally honest whether it hurts your feelings or not and that’s one thing I like and respect about him.
He's not "grown-up", he doesn't have much to say: 18:49 "A Change is a change, right, so if something changes, it is different, it has to be, obviously, it can't be the same, otherwise .. . And the next question?"
Just great to hear him sober and equally great to not hear Nancy at all. He was always thoughtful, just struggled to articulate his thoughts, heroin didn't improve that. He understood the world, he clearly spent a lot of time listening to John. He mirrors John a lot and then expands on those ideas himself. Shame he didn't listen to John when it really counted, but as he said here, he cannot do something he doesn't want to do. His journey was his own. John has long struggled with not being able to save Sid from himself (or from Nancy's influence), when in reality he never did a chance of achieving that. John did the right thing by offering to help, drawing his line in the sand and then getting on with his own life which was already complicated enough. John was always there for him if he needed him, but there were bright lines (no heroin and therefore no Nancy). John was right to not facilitate his addiction, it was Lydon tough love before tough love became a thing. It's exactly as his parents taught him.
A very perceptive high flyer. He wasn't a dummy, but definitely an addict. So are many rockers. This interview should be preserved; Life goes on with you or without you. C'est la chose.
This guy did have a point though about society, he was smarter than people thought he was. From what I understand he could actually play the bass, he would stay up all night practicing and he would end up mastering it the next day. Yeah its a shame the drugs got to him and he never had a positive influence in his life to tell him no but he lived his life the way he lived it and left behind a legacy that will forever be remembered amongst all the greats. He is the Prince Of Punk !
Beautifully well spoken guy. He wasn't a moron, he played the moron. I have the same idea as Sid about grown ups, they do my head in with their rules I'm over 30 now and haven't grown up.
Papa Lazarou I still don’t understand what that means. Sounds like One of those words those antifa high school drop outs use to sound smarter. Globalist. Lol. Ya I live in a globe. Not a flat earth
Interesting Sid said one way the band changed since he joined is the songs got faster. Lydon said on an interview the key to their sound was the songs weren't fast, they were actually slow and that's why the album sounded so explosive. You could also hear Lydon fed up at sound check of their last gig a song was too fast.
Everyone slags his bass playing off, but from this I can recognise a number of sex pistol songs. He is not bad in this recording. Maybe the drugs made him bad at it.
Sid knew a lot than what most people think or give him credit for. The public perception would only hear about what they saw or heard on Mainstream. There was no Internet back then things like interviews such as this one was rare for the public compared to today's time's. I would have loved to have known what his religious views were.
It's a natural inclination but also very alienating. I think a small segment of every society is born to be this way and it might have some kind of evolutionary purpose.
So brilliant, he got away with murder. So brilliant he could play 3 or 4 notes on the bass guitar. Wow he's my hero!!! Oh let's not forget how he could shoot heroin threw his arm, that's some brilliant shit that is..
Sid always sounds like a copy of John Lydon when he speaks. The intonation in his voice and the sarcasm is like listening to Lydon. Listening to Sid is always like listening to a child. I suppose he was one still at only 20.
Great One ....SID was so lovely.....love him!!!!LEGEND´S never die but so many died now like Lemmy and David Bowie...that make me sad and sick:(((( They was all LEGEND´s like SID
This interview was definitely not conducted in August 1977 as the death of Marc Bolan is mentioned which occurred on 16th September. This is the only occasion I've heard Sid talk using John Lydon's speech patterns (or vice versa) in certain places.
Actually, I'm quite impressed with his vocabulary and eloquence. But then, this IS the first time I'd heard him being so articulate and coherent. If ever there was a person who never should have fiddled with dope! He had the potential.
To everyone who hates on Sids musical ability and intellect rewind to 10:00 and he gives you your answer. Also every true punk knows it was all about the anti musician.
It's strange that people believe Sid would still be here if he hadn't met Nancy. Some people just haven't got it in them to live a long life and he was always one of those. He was obviously a very damaged boy. I could never understand why this image was built around him that he was unintelligent in particular. I'm not claiming he was overly intelligent either but you only have to listen to him speak: behind the posing braggadocio he was quite clearly of an average intelligence. The problem with his relationship with Nancy was that it created a folie adeux. If it hadn't been Nancy however, he would have found his end in someone similar. My feeling is that Nancy possibly had either a bi-polar disorder and / or a psychotic illness and this was compounded by a personality disorder. Sid never seemed to have a psychiatric illness but did seem to have a personality disorder. Personalities such as this do tend to (subconsciously) seek each other out. When such personalities get together they compound each other and the results can be disasterous. The difficulty for those around such people is that the bond between the two individuals is massive and based in a (subconscious or not) recognition of a shared pathology leading them to become solipsistic in regards to their relationship. You can see a similar dynamic in serial killing couples like Brady and Hindley for example. Sid had all the components in place from his childhood that would result in what happened to him: a physically rootless existence, a drug addicted, weak or emotionally absent parental figure, no other stable adult figures in his life. Such a profile can cause massive damage. He had an unstable personality which probably lead to his strong adoption of a fantasy ego persona: the punk rock star. Bowie had always talked about getting psychologically lost in his Ziggy Stardust persona; for John Beverley, the "Sid Vicious" character was such a confusion in extremis. Of course he was scathing of adults: he was not equipped to become one either psychologically or emotionally and never had anything but a negative experience with adults. There was never going to be a way out for such a person: he ended up completely subsumed and lost in an invented character because, what ever there was left of John Beverley was a million miles away behind layers of drugs, fame and fantasy. So, no, Nancy wasn't to blame. She was just as doomed in my opinion, but, if Sid hadn't met her, it would have been someone or something else damaging that he sought out to fill the void. I suspect the reason why people who knew him prior to joining the Pistols couldn't equate that person with what he became was due to a few factors: firstly, they were kids themselves, and kids tend to be less analytic and more accepting of things at face value. Secondly, Sid - or John - hadn't reached crisis point: A few differing stressors occurred to him in quick succession in the 6 months following late 1976: First, he was remanded in young offenders institute following the incident at the 100 Club festival (friends talk of a change occurring in following this event) , secondly, he fell under the collective wings of Vivienne Westwood and Malcolm McLaren (again, poor adult figures) and, lastly, he then not only became famous on joining the Pistols, but notorious also. This collection would be massive for anyone; for an individual with a weak and unformulated ego it was devastating.
Read the op comment and realise that John Beverly was doomed from the beginning and intelligent enough to make his own decisions. Him being with Nancy or any other messed up chick wouldn't have made a difference and he was too fucked up to be with someone better, he would have dragged that person down to his level.
Thank you for this. A very intellectual and interesting analytic regarding a video on TH-cam for once. I agree with you very much, but mostly I just wanted to say thanks. 👍🏼
@L Salinas : Sid's birth name is John Simon Ritchie! The last name Beverley was his stepfather's and not his own whist Sid Vicious was a joking nickname that meant the exact opposite!
When Sid talks about his disdain for grown ups and movies he sounds like Holden Caulfield lol. But this is really an amazing interview. Sid was truly one of a kind, RIP kiddo.
..I spotted the "Catcher in the Rye" reference you made, and you're spot on with that one, indeed..most of the interviews I've heard with Sid, he talks about, his disdain with adults, and those in authority, and his desire to always be that of a child and remarks about living a shortened life span..this interview is much more coherent, and relaxed..other people, that have known him, swear that they can't draw a strait line between John Beverly and the Sid Vicious persona..
Just great to hear him sober and equally great to not hear Nancy at all. He was always thoughtful, just struggled to articulate his thoughts, heroin didn't improve that. He understood the world, he clearly spent a lot of time listening to John. He mirrors John a lot and then expands on those ideas himself. Shame he didn't listen to John when it really counted, but as he said here, he cannot do something he doesn't want to do. His journey was his own. John has long struggled with not being able to save Sid from himself (or from Nancy's influence), when in reality he never stood a chance of achieving that. John did the right thing by offering to help, drawing his line in the sand and then getting on with his own life which was already complicated enough. John was always there for him if he needed him, but there were bright lines (no heroin and therefore no Nancy). John was right to not facilitate his addiction, it was Lydon tough love before tough love became a thing. It's exactly as his parents taught him.
I like Lydon a lot. He was a prick sometimes but he’s alright. The love he had and still carries for Nora is absolutely beautiful. I like Sid too. He was honest and thoughtful. He became an arsehole after the heroin ruined him. I feel sorry for how his short life turned out.
It would be better for Nancy to close the bathroom door to blow her nose. At least she didn't run her mouth like Yoko when the person people were interested in was talking(so far at least).
Absolutely Very Interesting It's Just Comes To Show How Sid Was So Underestimated...Sid Was So Absolutely So Intelligent Of This Reality Asylum So Far Ahead From This Stupidity Moral Boring Establishment Nanny Stature And Naturally Sid Was Fully Aware Of All Of This... Rest In Peace Sid The Legend Lives On 😎🔗❤🔒🖇
First introduced to Sid through my brother in 79' just after he passed. Immediately loved his look. I was 13. He were angry n' fucked up. Didn't believe it for a second. I wasn't. But he appealed. Been a fan since. On ya Sid.
Finally, I think people who romanticise Sid to the extent that they think he was "a sweet boy" or "great" or would like to have known him and hung out with him are deluding themselves. The chaos that both inhabits and surrounds such a damaged personality would have made such associations very unenjoyable indeed. Unless one would enjoy constant antagonism, violence, aggression, dirt, squalor, discomfort, depression, self harm and chaotic hard drug use then, trust me, you would not enjoy hanging out with Sid, or find him a "sweet boy". I'm not talking about John Beverley here of course : you can still hear the last remnants of Beverley in an interview such as this. Rather, I'm talking about the "Sid" persona which he, initially, adopted and then quickly subsumed him. Remember, this all happened very very quickly: from the adoption of "Sid" to death was less than eighteen months! Indeed, in a sense, "Sid" was simply John Beverley's suicide not. I don't mean intentionally but I do mean inevitably. So, no, whatever John Beverley was, "Sid" was not a "sweet boy" and I doubt most of us would have liked to hang out with him. Don't let the romantic notions of an archetype fool you: this was dark.
Third interview and I'm not hearing the 'high intelligence' people keep attributing to Sid. I like his rebellious attitude about society -- something I share -- but that's where the interest ends.
Brilliant interview which " Completely Dispelled The Myth " Of Sid Vicious and " Actually Highlighted His Intelligence " !!! And His " Chillingly Accurate Prophecy" Of his death is even now " Very Compelling " !!! From Adrian Browne 1965
i don't blame him for a lot of the things he says. People like to reminisce about the old days but i feel like there isn't much to like about the 70s. There aren't many good 70s movies or shows really. Most are quite boring and sort of creepy. Also, racism and homophobia was much more normalized back then. At least some of the music and fashion was good tho
70s was hella creepy. The decor was all strange and brown and yellow and the weather in the winters in the U.K. looked to be really cold and foggy. It’s when those pedos like SaVILE started their evil exploits along with Harris and Cyrill Smith etc. just makes me shudder tbh.
He had nothing except for a heroin habit and fame for doing nothing., the 70s version of a Kardashian. He couldn't play for shit, couldn't sing, and was only put in the band because he looked good.
@@BobbyGeneric145 : You obviously don't know anything about the real Sid except for the mythical lies that have been spread around for the last 40 years!
I couldn't agree more with Sid's take on films. I have zero interest in seeing some fake form of reality. It's the same reason I've never watched tv shows like breaking bad. I have no interest in seeing some false or pseudo interpretation of reality, especially one like breaking bad represents. Meth is a shitty, horrible drug that ravages people.
Sounds like you have no imagination, it's fiction and it's dark and not to be taken literally. It's not some kind of propaganda. Tell you what, If I ever write scripts for films or shows I'll write some kind psuedo-interpretation to piss you off.
I just wish someone could make subtitles for this interview. english is not my first language and i can‘t understand a lot of it because of his accent. But i really want to know what Sid was talking about. more people in the world would understand if there were subtitles~
Bless you, he hardly has an accent! Don't go to Newcastle, even other people from England can't understand them! You writing in english is really good though.
By the way, I understand the attraction that kids have for Sid. He's an archetype: looks good and died young. Kids are hypnotised by this archetype and romanticise those figures that seem to inhabit the image. It's only the James Dean scenario being acted out again and again. By the same token, adults should realise that a character such as Sid should be pitied not idolised. Everything he was as a public figure happened to and was inflicted upon him; it wasn't something he initiated. The Kamikazie image was a mirage and a symptom of a pathology and early psychological / emotional abuse. He was the complete opposite of someone in control of his life. I suspect that people wouldn't idolise any other abused child who ends up dead at 21. Well, what's the difference here? Like I say, the attraction kids have to such a story is understandable, we all go through it in one way or another: I did. But, most of us, do get to grow up and get older. But, wiser?..... Maybe!
The kids idolise people like Sid Vicious because just like Sid said, Adults lose touch with what’s really happening as soon as they grow up. The kids understand how shit the world really is, so kids want to live to the extreme and die, get the most out of life as quickly as possible, experience what it’s got to offer and leave.
Well, at the end of the day you've got bills to pay. Growing up it's about being able to aford all of that and it comes along with responsability. Where are all the punk kids now? Working to pay the bills, whether you like it or not. Punk dream was a teenage dream of rebelion, but that's it. At the end of the day you can try having a job that you truely love and sometimes is not that easy. You eat everyday. Reality is a pretty fucking shit but there is nothing we can do about ir
@@MUSIC4TRUTH.... Anarchy doesn't exist. Unfortunately, we are all part of the system. We would like to destroy the system, that's different, but when you are grown up your parents doesn't feed you anymore. And you have 2 options, you can starve to death or you can work to buy food. We all feel the rage against reality, that's punk, but has the world changed since the 70's? No. Even if we changed the system you would need to hunt your own food and survive on your own. You need to find freedom in other things, small things in daily life, but responsability is always there. Growing up sucks but it's part of life
@@MUSIC4TRUTH.... homie I’m a punk but not so much an anarchist- I can almost guarantee you’ve got/have owned a pair of doc martens. I can guarantee you watched this video on a smart phone, expensive computer or games console. Not much anarchy in buying big brands
I ok Sid your missing the point ,people loose touch because they grow up ,and what would you know about that ? You really are a punk try looking up the urban meaning. Rest in peace young man things would have gotten easier if you let go of your poppy
He was an interesting character. And dying young cemented him like this, forever. The only thing I hate about him is the animal cruelty he dealt out. I loathe that.
@TheNaomiengland Got a great (and funny) story about Sid's padlock but am sworn to secrecy...it'll be in Ted's new book which she's still working on ;)
Love this interview. The real Sid. 💯 On form. Saying it as it is..Noticed the sound of the rolling bass of Anarchy in the U.K.. R.i.P punk Rock 🧷 Ledgend.
The ONLY song from the original '77 release of NMTB where Sid plays bass is Bodies but that doesn't mean he didn't play on other studio recordings, rehearsals, soundcheck sessions and live gigs: seek and you shall find!
Makes no sense. I know by fact Sid loved movies. Night of the Living Dead and Texas Chainsaw Massacre he watched over 100 times. If he knew who Russ Meyers was he wouldn't have No.
the drugs really dulled who sid vicious really is. he was much more than what we mostly saw of him.
I Agree
Yes especially in flesh and soul as see in that American TH-cam b n white vid with Nancy and dead boys singer ect
Love him or hate him one thing about Sid is he’s brutally honest whether it hurts your feelings or not and that’s one thing I like and respect about him.
He's not that honest, he admits it in the first two minutes
He's not "grown-up", he doesn't have much to say: 18:49
"A Change is a change, right, so if something changes, it is different, it has to be, obviously, it can't be the same, otherwise .. . And the next question?"
He makes me sick. Ever since I watched that documentary where someone talked in detail about how he brutally killed someone’s pet cat…ugh.
Just great to hear him sober and equally great to not hear Nancy at all.
He was always thoughtful, just struggled to articulate his thoughts, heroin didn't improve that. He understood the world, he clearly spent a lot of time listening to John. He mirrors John a lot and then expands on those ideas himself.
Shame he didn't listen to John when it really counted, but as he said here, he cannot do something he doesn't want to do. His journey was his own.
John has long struggled with not being able to save Sid from himself (or from Nancy's influence), when in reality he never did a chance of achieving that. John did the right thing by offering to help, drawing his line in the sand and then getting on with his own life which was already complicated enough.
John was always there for him if he needed him, but there were bright lines (no heroin and therefore no Nancy). John was right to not facilitate his addiction, it was Lydon tough love before tough love became a thing. It's exactly as his parents taught him.
@@geslinam9703 But ya just cant get enough of him can you?
A very perceptive high flyer. He wasn't a dummy, but definitely an addict. So are many rockers. This interview should be preserved; Life goes on with you or without you. C'est
la chose.
It’s kinda eerie hearing him say that’s why I’ll die before I’m twenty four if not sooner.
Sid sounds hella intelligent tho
He was. He was a clever guy who played stupid & who did stupid things.
This is a bloody good interview!
Can't believe Nancy wasn't around to butt in and cut him off
She is there in the background...
@@thesecondTH-cam she probably just 💉 up some dope and was quieter than usual 😄
Odd, sitting here in 2020 listening to Sid talking in 1978.
Thought I was the only one!
The audio is from August 1977.
I wish we had the 70s again.I would like to meet him.❤
2020 is so bad😳
@@lejlatiric7037 What language do you speak??
Why do you find it odd?
This is a much different Sid to the public persona. Lucid, inquisitive. Very interesting.
This guy did have a point though about society, he was smarter than people thought he was. From what I understand he could actually play the bass, he would stay up all night practicing and he would end up mastering it the next day. Yeah its a shame the drugs got to him and he never had a positive influence in his life to tell him no but he lived his life the way he lived it and left behind a legacy that will forever be remembered amongst all the greats. He is the Prince Of Punk !
Yes!! This right here.
Prince of Punk
Perfect title for him..
Love your words..
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Rest in Powder
John
☠️💣☠️
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The recordings of his playing say otherwise. Glen Matlock leaving was the death blow to this band.
Godfather Joey RAMONE
President Johnny RAMONE
King Johnny Lydon
Prince Sid vicious
Jester Steve Jones n DEE DEE
He was a hell if a lot more articulate than I was at 20.
Beautifully well spoken guy. He wasn't a moron, he played the moron. I have the same idea as Sid about grown ups, they do my head in with their rules I'm over 30 now and haven't grown up.
Fukin right . Same
Papa Lazarou pollution rocks man. And deforestation rules !!!!
Papa Lazarou I still don’t understand what that means. Sounds like One of those words those antifa high school drop outs use to sound smarter. Globalist. Lol. Ya I live in a globe. Not a flat earth
cringe
He was a moron
I always come back to this interview. I could listen to him talk all day 🖤
He went to school with some of my mates mums in High Brooms, Tunbridge Wells, he was a really shy fellow according to them
Lol
He was really well spoken. His use of the english language was great haha
When Sid and Nancy died, they were respectively 21 and 20. I was stupid at that age also. Well, not that stupid but still. They were kids.
Nancy didn’t have the comfort of “dying” she was brutally MURDERED by Sid??.
@@misterr279 he almost certainly didn’t do it
@@misterr279 It's possible that he didn't do it because he was so fucked up on drugs that he would have been passed out the entire night
He probably did kill her. They were in love but had an awful domestic violence relationship.
@@theblackwholemy Probably didn't even realize it, blacked out and didn't remember from all the drugs and booze
He was actually a pretty articulate dude, a little bitter maybe for a 20yr old kid but definitely honest.
Rest in Peace Sid and Nancy! Long live the Sex pistols. Great interview!
very great to see this able to be listened to, its pretty damn rare, and a great deep conversation/Interview
Sid's nihilism was an honest approach to the fundamental pointlessness of existence
Interesting Sid said one way the band changed since he joined is the songs got faster. Lydon said on an interview the key to their sound was the songs weren't fast, they were actually slow and that's why the album sounded so explosive. You could also hear Lydon fed up at sound check of their last gig a song was too fast.
Everyone slags his bass playing off, but from this I can recognise a number of sex pistol songs. He is not bad in this recording. Maybe the drugs made him bad at it.
Drugs make people bad at everything,and turns them into bores.
He’s actually quite articulate and definitely able think logically. Shame the drugs got him
He didn't like civilization.and how it ran. I can see his point.
Sid knew a lot than what most people think or give him credit for. The public perception would only hear about what they saw or heard on Mainstream. There was no Internet back then things like interviews such as this one was rare for the public compared to today's time's. I would have loved to have known what his religious views were.
Now I know why people didn't like him .Because he was honest!!!!!!!!!
True
Sid playing some ramones songs on his bass
Sid playing ALL the Ramones songs on his bass.
Yep
Nothing wrong with that.
Sid was brilliant. The guy could see through all the bullshit in society and called it like it was. The more people like that the better.
It's a natural inclination but also very alienating. I think a small segment of every society is born to be this way and it might have some kind of evolutionary purpose.
@@damienholland8103
Most of the intelligent and insightful people don't reproduce so....
SuperStrik9 do not glorify Sid Vicious
So brilliant, he got away with murder. So brilliant he could play 3 or 4 notes on the bass guitar. Wow he's my hero!!! Oh let's not forget how he could shoot heroin threw his arm, that's some brilliant shit that is..
@@choieng why not?
Dying before you get to be an adult? Yeah, I see the appeal, being an adult, for way too long, it's kinda crappy.
sid was a whole lot smarter than people said he was.
Sid was definitely a whole lot smarter than people said he was.
Yes he was. Well spoken kid.
@@desertrose1226 Really?
Sid always sounds like a copy of John Lydon when he speaks. The intonation in his voice and the sarcasm is like listening to Lydon. Listening to Sid is always like listening to a child. I suppose he was one still at only 20.
I love Sid he's so funny
It's nice to hear something that paints him as a human being and not a cartoon character.
I like the cartoonish aspect,same with Johnny.
Rotten said it best " Vicious....Poor Sod..."
Punk legend forever.
Great One ....SID was so lovely.....love him!!!!LEGEND´S never die but so many died now like Lemmy and David Bowie...that make me sad and sick:(((( They was all LEGEND´s like SID
@@danielaschwarz1971 he kill a cat just to see what it felt like.....lovely guy...
@@The000clash000 Sid was a lovely guy before the hard drugs and Nancy took it out of him!!!
This is the syd that lydon loved
Not the syd who was a junkie and started believing his own hype
John never should've let him join the band
Sid Vicious was a fucking brilliant man, not much like him left.
This interview was definitely not conducted in August 1977 as the death of Marc Bolan is mentioned which occurred on 16th September. This is the only occasion I've heard Sid talk using John Lydon's speech patterns (or vice versa) in certain places.
Missed it, what timestamp if that wouldn't be too much of a trouble?
@@pttheuk Dunno, listen to it again for yourself!
@@crose7412 can't be bothered, too lazy, on what occasion did Sid mention it?
@@pttheuk I'm too lazy to answer you.
@@crose7412 no-no, first of all, you're too much of a sod!
Actually, I'm quite impressed with his vocabulary and eloquence. But then, this IS the first time I'd heard him being so articulate and coherent. If ever there was a person who never should have fiddled with dope! He had the potential.
He should never have fiddled with Nancy either.
Sid was playing Ramones bass licks :D I heard "Now I wanna Sniff Some Glue" :D
Absolutely.
To everyone who hates on Sids musical ability and intellect rewind to 10:00 and he gives you your answer.
Also every true punk knows it was all about the anti musician.
@Abu Hajaar : You know nothing about the punk rock scene!
@Anderson Cooper it was on live
His comments about work are spot on. More people need to be honest about how they feel working in jobs they hate
Wouldn`t make any difference and be boring as hell to hear.
It's strange that people believe Sid would still be here if he hadn't met Nancy. Some people just haven't got it in them to live a long life and he was always one of those. He was obviously a very damaged boy.
I could never understand why this image was built around him that he was unintelligent in particular. I'm not claiming he was overly intelligent either but you only have to listen to him speak: behind the posing braggadocio he was quite clearly of an average intelligence.
The problem with his relationship with Nancy was that it created a folie adeux. If it hadn't been Nancy however, he would have found his end in someone similar. My feeling is that Nancy possibly had either a bi-polar disorder and / or a psychotic illness and this was compounded by a personality disorder. Sid never seemed to have a psychiatric illness but did seem to have a personality disorder. Personalities such as this do tend to (subconsciously) seek each other out. When such personalities get together they compound each other and the results can be disasterous. The difficulty for those around such people is that the bond between the two individuals is massive and based in a (subconscious or not) recognition of a shared pathology leading them to become solipsistic in regards to their relationship. You can see a similar dynamic in serial killing couples like Brady and Hindley for example.
Sid had all the components in place from his childhood that would result in what happened to him: a physically rootless existence, a drug addicted, weak or emotionally absent parental figure, no other stable adult figures in his life. Such a profile can cause massive damage. He had an unstable personality which probably lead to his strong adoption of a fantasy ego persona: the punk rock star. Bowie had always talked about getting psychologically lost in his Ziggy Stardust persona; for John Beverley, the "Sid Vicious" character was such a confusion in extremis. Of course he was scathing of adults: he was not equipped to become one either psychologically or emotionally and never had anything but a negative experience with adults. There was never going to be a way out for such a person: he ended up completely subsumed and lost in an invented character because, what ever there was left of John Beverley was a million miles away behind layers of drugs, fame and fantasy.
So, no, Nancy wasn't to blame. She was just as doomed in my opinion, but, if Sid hadn't met her, it would have been someone or something else damaging that he sought out to fill the void.
I suspect the reason why people who knew him prior to joining the Pistols couldn't equate that person with what he became was due to a few factors: firstly, they were kids themselves, and kids tend to be less analytic and more accepting of things at face value. Secondly, Sid - or John - hadn't reached crisis point: A few differing stressors occurred to him in quick succession in the 6 months following late 1976: First, he was remanded in young offenders institute following the incident at the 100 Club festival (friends talk of a change occurring in following this event) , secondly, he fell under the collective wings of Vivienne Westwood and Malcolm McLaren (again, poor adult figures) and, lastly, he then not only became famous on joining the Pistols, but notorious also. This collection would be massive for anyone; for an individual with a weak and unformulated ego it was devastating.
Sid would still be here if he hadn't met Nancy
Read the op comment and realise that John Beverly was doomed from the beginning and intelligent enough to make his own decisions.
Him being with Nancy or any other messed up chick wouldn't have made a difference and he was too fucked up to be with someone better, he would have dragged that person down to his level.
Nice breakdown, thanks for your time on this one.
Thank you for this. A very intellectual and interesting analytic regarding a video on TH-cam for once. I agree with you very much, but mostly I just wanted to say thanks. 👍🏼
@L Salinas : Sid's birth name is John Simon Ritchie!
The last name Beverley was his stepfather's and not his own whist Sid Vicious was a joking nickname that meant the exact opposite!
When Sid talks about his disdain for grown ups and movies he sounds like Holden Caulfield lol. But this is really an amazing interview. Sid was truly one of a kind, RIP kiddo.
..I spotted the "Catcher in the Rye" reference you made, and you're spot on with that one, indeed..most of the interviews I've heard with Sid, he talks about, his disdain with adults, and those in authority, and his desire to always be that of a child and remarks about living a shortened life span..this interview is much more coherent, and relaxed..other people, that have known him, swear that they can't draw a strait line between John Beverly and the Sid Vicious persona..
I Prefer Holden Caulfield ,that being said neither exist any more do you know what I mean EHHH...
I find this interview very relaxing. I've been fascinating in Sid Vicious since the 8th of January 2019.
I'm fascinated with Sid too.
Jason Reese me too. And Nancy also.
This was recorded late September '77 because he mentioned Marc Bolan's car crash.
Just great to hear him sober and equally great to not hear Nancy at all.
He was always thoughtful, just struggled to articulate his thoughts, heroin didn't improve that. He understood the world, he clearly spent a lot of time listening to John. He mirrors John a lot and then expands on those ideas himself.
Shame he didn't listen to John when it really counted, but as he said here, he cannot do something he doesn't want to do. His journey was his own.
John has long struggled with not being able to save Sid from himself (or from Nancy's influence), when in reality he never stood a chance of achieving that. John did the right thing by offering to help, drawing his line in the sand and then getting on with his own life which was already complicated enough.
John was always there for him if he needed him, but there were bright lines (no heroin and therefore no Nancy). John was right to not facilitate his addiction, it was Lydon tough love before tough love became a thing. It's exactly as his parents taught him.
I like Lydon a lot. He was a prick sometimes but he’s alright. The love he had and still carries for Nora is absolutely beautiful. I like Sid too. He was honest and thoughtful. He became an arsehole after the heroin ruined him. I feel sorry for how his short life turned out.
"" He mirrors John a lot "" or maybe John mirrors Sid
he was only 20 here! so he was intelligent he just didn't care
It would be better for Nancy to close the bathroom door to blow her nose. At least she didn't run her mouth like Yoko when the person people were interested in was talking(so far at least).
12:03
If Sid was around for the Sid & Nancy movie he would've hated it!🤣🤣
Rip. Sid 🙏
Absolutely Very Interesting It's Just Comes To Show How Sid Was So Underestimated...Sid Was So Absolutely So Intelligent Of This Reality Asylum So Far Ahead From This Stupidity Moral Boring Establishment Nanny Stature And Naturally Sid Was Fully Aware Of All Of This... Rest In Peace Sid The Legend Lives On 😎🔗❤🔒🖇
He was the only bloke, with any anarchy left.
And he's dead and the others aren't. Brilliant..
Sid was really beautiful and kind hearted before Nancy and the drugs took it out of him. ...So sad
@@danielaschwarz1971 stop sugarcoating, he was pretty cool but he wasn’t some fucking angel he was punk
Thanks for this vintage interview. Absolutely great.
He's brilliant!....like performance art....bloody hilarious!....I laughed the whole way through!
A true anarchist
Absolutely Brilliant Classic Memorable Interesting Interview 😎🔗❤🔒🖇
My late uncle use to say “l’m here for a good time. Not a long time”. He passed in 2000.
How old was he
@@smkxodnwbwkdns8369 l think he was in his early 40s. He was the youngest of 7 siblings and the first to go.
Didn't think Nancy was with him on the us tour?
"They were fucking great the spades at that college"!
"Ramones are my favourite group" ...Me too
First introduced to Sid through my brother in 79' just after he passed. Immediately loved his look. I was 13. He were angry n' fucked up. Didn't believe it for a second. I wasn't. But he appealed. Been a fan since. On ya Sid.
Sid was intelligent but the media tried to make him out to be a Dim with, which he certainly was not and played the media like a fiddle.Rip.
Would've liked to hear from Nancy. She's surprisingly quiet here.
Her nose ain’t.
Finally, I think people who romanticise Sid to the extent that they think he was "a sweet boy" or "great" or would like to have known him and hung out with him are deluding themselves. The chaos that both inhabits and surrounds such a damaged personality would have made such associations very unenjoyable indeed. Unless one would enjoy constant antagonism, violence, aggression, dirt, squalor, discomfort, depression, self harm and chaotic hard drug use then, trust me, you would not enjoy hanging out with Sid, or find him a "sweet boy". I'm not talking about John Beverley here of course : you can still hear the last remnants of Beverley in an interview such as this. Rather, I'm talking about the "Sid" persona which he, initially, adopted and then quickly subsumed him. Remember, this all happened very very quickly: from the adoption of "Sid" to death was less than eighteen months! Indeed, in a sense, "Sid" was simply John Beverley's suicide not. I don't mean intentionally but I do mean inevitably. So, no, whatever John Beverley was, "Sid" was not a "sweet boy" and I doubt most of us would have liked to hang out with him. Don't let the romantic notions of an archetype fool you: this was dark.
A horse thought and he died.
Third interview and I'm not hearing the 'high intelligence' people keep attributing to Sid. I like his rebellious attitude about society -- something I share -- but that's where the interest ends.
Beefheart1 I loved him
Hates TV? Isn't he always nodding out with the TV on?
Totally, totally TOTALLY correct 9:58
I do not like nancy
Nancy killed him,he was such a nice guy
Daniela - Yeah... so true. Nancy killed Sid.
Lol. No one but Sid killed Sid, get a grip :p
Nancy was dead before him...... his mum killed him
Brilliant interview which " Completely Dispelled The Myth " Of Sid Vicious and " Actually Highlighted His Intelligence " !!! And His " Chillingly Accurate Prophecy" Of his death is even now " Very Compelling " !!! From Adrian Browne 1965
i don't blame him for a lot of the things he says. People like to reminisce about the old days but i feel like there isn't much to like about the 70s. There aren't many good 70s movies or shows really. Most are quite boring and sort of creepy. Also, racism and homophobia was much more normalized back then. At least some of the music and fashion was good tho
70s was hella creepy. The decor was all strange and brown and yellow and the weather in the winters in the U.K. looked to be really cold and foggy. It’s when those pedos like SaVILE started their evil exploits along with Harris and Cyrill Smith etc. just makes me shudder tbh.
A working class Holden Caulfield.
Can you please transliterate the whole interview? I can't understand some things he says, I'm not a native English-speaker. Thank you very much.
AimeeVignes me too, can someone translate the line?
Yes. It can all be translated to “F**k Off!” Henehe.
I would do but I can't be arsed mate sorry
Try with TH-cam automatic subtitles
so young so cynical and yet he had it all
He had nothing except for a heroin habit and fame for doing nothing., the 70s version of a Kardashian. He couldn't play for shit, couldn't sing, and was only put in the band because he looked good.
so punk means playing good to you?
.....what a disaster
@@BobbyGeneric145 What of significance have you ever done in your life? When you die you will be forgotten in a week.
@@BobbyGeneric145 : You obviously don't know anything about the real Sid except for the mythical lies that have been spread around for the last 40 years!
sid did whatever he wanted to do and never got to spend any money his name made. cept for drugs.
Interesting interview. Thanks for posting.
I couldn't agree more with Sid's take on films. I have zero interest in seeing some fake form of reality. It's the same reason I've never watched tv shows like breaking bad. I have no interest in seeing some false or pseudo interpretation of reality, especially one like breaking bad represents. Meth is a shitty, horrible drug that ravages people.
it's fiction
Sounds like you have no imagination, it's fiction and it's dark and not to be taken literally. It's not some kind of propaganda. Tell you what, If I ever write scripts for films or shows I'll write some kind psuedo-interpretation to piss you off.
It's an art, in the same way that some
music has shock value and mythical lyrical content. Lol
half way through he plays the anarchy bass line you mugs...don't you know anythin?
8:11 That's the Anarchy bass line.
At least Sid Vicious was brutally honest i can relate to exactly what he's saying...
I was watching this and all of sudden ''it '' hit me : Sid died 44 years ago!!!...and I remember it ... Time, you know...
10 minutes in l couldn't agree more. I hate people, especially managers or manageress.
He was the most positive person ever bar none! He was a trip.
Yeah he even makes my husband seem happy and jolly!
I'd hate to see your definition of negative!
I just wish someone could make subtitles for this interview. english is not my first language and i can‘t understand a lot of it because of his accent. But i really want to know what Sid was talking about. more people in the world would understand if there were subtitles~
i didn't know you could turn on subtitles on youtube videos. thank you ;)
oyinbo pepe yeah guess it is not easy to do
oyinbo pepe it's auto-generated? maybe that's why.
Bless you, he hardly has an accent! Don't go to Newcastle, even other people from England can't understand them!
You writing in english is really good though.
remove the spaces
By the way, I understand the attraction that kids have for Sid. He's an archetype: looks good and died young. Kids are hypnotised by this archetype and romanticise those figures that seem to inhabit the image. It's only the James Dean scenario being acted out again and again. By the same token, adults should realise that a character such as Sid should be pitied not idolised. Everything he was as a public figure happened to and was inflicted upon him; it wasn't something he initiated. The Kamikazie image was a mirage and a symptom of a pathology and early psychological / emotional abuse. He was the complete opposite of someone in control of his life. I suspect that people wouldn't idolise any other abused child who ends up dead at 21. Well, what's the difference here? Like I say, the attraction kids have to such a story is understandable, we all go through it in one way or another: I did. But, most of us, do get to grow up and get older. But, wiser?..... Maybe!
Why u hear then mate if you pity him
The kids idolise people like Sid Vicious because just like Sid said, Adults lose touch with what’s really happening as soon as they grow up. The kids understand how shit the world really is, so kids want to live to the extreme and die, get the most out of life as quickly as possible, experience what it’s got to offer and leave.
@@xdef1ne the kids wear flares and 10 years later the adults do.....but sureley those adults WERE the kids of 10 years earlier!
"It's all a Load of Shit- Ya know what I mean"?
I know he was young but his childishness'd rather annoying
It is a shame the drugs ruined him.
He was enough inelegant to know that he ended up soon..
"I didn't need to go on the dole because I could ponce more than £10 in a week."
And there's comments saying he's really sharp. Fuckin hell.
£10 was a lot in the late 70s.
He was talking about Huey Green, who was Paula Yates' biological father. I HATE THE WORLD AND EVERYTHING IN IT!!! Said Sid.
Hughie
This interview is even more relevent now in 2020, just watch all the "grown ups" doing exactly what they are told.
Well, at the end of the day you've got bills to pay. Growing up it's about being able to aford all of that and it comes along with responsability. Where are all the punk kids now? Working to pay the bills, whether you like it or not. Punk dream was a teenage dream of rebelion, but that's it. At the end of the day you can try having a job that you truely love and sometimes is not that easy. You eat everyday. Reality is a pretty fucking shit but there is nothing we can do about ir
@@irial1990 the punk spirit is about freedom, anarchy is freefom.
@@MUSIC4TRUTH.... Anarchy doesn't exist. Unfortunately, we are all part of the system. We would like to destroy the system, that's different, but when you are grown up your parents doesn't feed you anymore. And you have 2 options, you can starve to death or you can work to buy food. We all feel the rage against reality, that's punk, but has the world changed since the 70's? No. Even if we changed the system you would need to hunt your own food and survive on your own. You need to find freedom in other things, small things in daily life, but responsability is always there. Growing up sucks but it's part of life
@@irial1990 I beg to differ
@@MUSIC4TRUTH.... homie I’m a punk but not so much an anarchist- I can almost guarantee you’ve got/have owned a pair of doc martens. I can guarantee you watched this video on a smart phone, expensive computer or games console. Not much anarchy in buying big brands
I ok Sid your missing the point ,people loose touch because they grow up ,and what would you know about that ? You really are a punk try looking up the urban meaning. Rest in peace young man things would have gotten easier if you let go of your poppy
' I'm incapable of doing something I don't want to do ' that's me its all aload of fkn shit.
And the best motivational speaker award goes to......
He was an interesting character. And dying young cemented him like this, forever. The only thing I hate about him is the animal cruelty he dealt out. I loathe that.
Yeah I don’t like that at all. He was a piece of shit for doing that. I love cats and couldn’t imagine anyone hurting them 😔
@TheNaomiengland Got a great (and funny) story about Sid's padlock but am sworn to secrecy...it'll be in Ted's new book which she's still working on ;)
What’s the book called?
Love this interview. The real Sid. 💯 On form. Saying it as it is..Noticed the sound of the rolling bass of Anarchy in the U.K.. R.i.P punk Rock 🧷 Ledgend.
He was quite well spoken, wasn't he.
I swear I would have married him.... I have had dreams of him since I was 4.
Is he playing holidays in the sun?
he only plays in Bodies... as far as i know... i bet you found the answer for yourself since
The ONLY song from the original '77 release of NMTB where Sid plays bass is Bodies but that doesn't mean he didn't play on other studio recordings, rehearsals, soundcheck sessions and live gigs: seek and you shall find!
LOL is Nancy violently blowing her nose at around 11:50? What is that?
she doesn't give a shit, it's a bit annoying to hear her while Sid's being very interesting
Makes no sense. I know by fact Sid loved movies. Night of the Living Dead and Texas Chainsaw Massacre he watched over 100 times. If he knew who Russ Meyers was he wouldn't have No.