Battlefield still has no competition...
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- Battlefield doesn't have many alternatives or direct competitors but why and for how much longer? Let's play the excellent Battlefield 5 and discuss. Leave a LIKE and a comment, thanks for watching.
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Still mourning. BF3 and BF4 were the golden days.
Bf1 is goat all day long
@@carlosthemandalor3650not in my book tbh
Bf1 bro. You forgot mfin BF1
Bf3 will always be number 1
Bf4 100% for me. I want my AEK baby
I'm surprised Jack didn't bring up World War 3. Its a failure, but it attempted to do battlefield
It was fun, but honestly a hassle to update with the peer to peer system. It tended to be pretty slow
Wasted potential due to it's lack of identity. First they charged money for purchasing the beta, then after a year they made it free and yet again they are reworking it because they don't have idea what direction the game should be going, for the 3rd time or more... lost all hopes, too much crap - bugs, dead matchmaking, poor performance. Not even worth mentioning anymore when you got game like Battlebit around
I played it and the game itself is good. Gunplay, vehicles, maps, everything. What killed it is poor management, marketing and that idiotic third party launcher.
@@edyslavico3761farm51 even sold the ip and game, I dont even know if farm is doing anything right now, hopefully the studio wont shut down
What ever happened to BattleBit? I remember all the BF content creators drooling over that game for a few months and then the hype just went quiet…
The fact that Jack can have such a detailed one-sided conversation while playing at such a level of concentration is astounding.
It’s called easy plays
He's been playing games for ages im sure its second nature now
I think he's doing a voiceover and just pretending he is commentating live. The gameplay often cuts while he continues exactly what he was saying. Sorry to ruin the illusion.
@@jamessutton2126 Very true, he could also be cutting in his actual game play voice over in between his explanations.
@@jamessutton2126that’s the thing that separates good and bad players us good players can have a conversation with ease and still do better than you while focusing on
Im an old guy, I remember BF2 special forces, night vsion, grappling hooks! Remember Bad company 2? The destruction! BF3 tank battles! Thanks for sharing.
Yea that expansion blew my mind when it came out!
@@nnehila What a nostalgia
BF2 was a lifetime ago. It was no BS battlefield. Then BC2 destruction was just wow. Yeah we lost some features, but BF3 and BF4 brought some of it back. But by BF3 DICE started releasing broken messy games, that get fixed 2 years post launch just in time for DICE to abandon the game. Like BF2042 is just getting good now, and they are abandoning it.
Go back and play BF5 now. Game is great. On release it was a mess. Same with BF1. People praise BF5 now, but on release it was a mess.
@@Olterior BF1 was most certainly not a mess on release, it worked right out of box on both console and pc. They rest of what you said though, 100% agree.
Yeah dude we are old too
There is nothing like bf1! Visuals, real experimental rifles, the soundtracks, that over the top satisfactory headshot sound. Such a lovely game!
Agreed mate. And they also went into historical detail regarding regiments, weapons and armory used. It was awesome.
The last competent BF title.
That was the last great BF game. Although as it is now, much like with COD. Both games have just fallen so far behind everything else lately that its probably time to retire them.
I play BF1 almost everyday.
@@silent_fungus have a hard time finding a game on pc on the weekday. Weekends I have better luck. Make sure to jump back in when a tubow hypes it up again.
The first Homefront’s multiplayer had some Battlefield elements to it.
Man, I miss it.
And the shooting felt very unique compared to the classic shooters at the time. It was weird but also satisfying 😅 good times
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I remember immediately returning my copy to buy BF3 and play that with my friends because no one wanted to play Homefront. I did enjoy the multiplayer beta
Underrated multiplayer. I loved the battle point system. Getting the attack helicopter was sick
This game is so forgotten about
Battlefield V has some really beautiful, colorful, inspiring graphics. So many different interesting maps, you can find many great detailes, it's almost a pity for it to be no longer existent, because it's just an Artwork. The gameplay is important and very well done, but also the historic feeling, the music, the sounds of explosions, planes, soldiers and even flies are so well done. You have not only soldiers but also vehicles, tanks, plaines, stationary weapons, so many to chose from. Gorgeous maps such as the Pacific, Provence, Arres, Rotterdam... It is also a great beginner game. At first, players are just in awe. For example, I have never played in my life a game with a controller or a what would you call a "serious" game till I was 23 yo, then I started playing Battlefield V. My bf introduced me to the "gaming" world. It was my first game, I practiced, I enjoyed it so much as a newcomer, I then played other games like COD, and now I am back still playing BFV 6 years later. It is calming, it is fun, I can go full playing sweaty or just chilling on the maps, I meet the same players on my servers in Europe, it comforts me, it is not too toxic, it amuses me so much, I love it.
Wholesome. Also true!
If you haven’t played it yet BF1 is also more than worth it and delivers an even greater cinematic experience than BFV in my opinion. Anyhow enjoy
@@Khofax I have and I love it! Thank you none the less! I can’t and won’t choose which is better, I enjoy wholeheartedly both games, depwnding on the mood. Battlefield 1 is really awesome
You play on Xbox ?
yeah bfv is very vibrant and pretty where as bf1 I feel captures war better as the lighting and colors are more grim and dark, both look very good though
Battlebit was the closest one in my opinion.
Still waiting for it to hit consoles..
Has so much potential
yeah agreed, real shame it died tho
Except for immersion
@@lpk822the devs killed it. Wouldn’t listen to feedback and ideas the fan base had were shut down constantly by that 1 dev who thought he knew better.
What happen to that game?
I hated Battlefield 1942 for such a longtime when it came out. It was ruining our Friday nights post-work MP sesh. Wolfenstien was still fresh at that point, with a healthy player base, delivering that Q3-paced shooter gameplay (but with the MP40 instead of the Railgun). But. Everyone wanted to play this Battlefield-thing, which looked sluggish in comparison. And why did it need vehicles? “That’s not what a shooter is all about…”.
Then one evening I bit the bullet and stepped up to try it: instant fan for life.
When you switch off a game on your machine but you can’t switch it off in your head; that’s the mark of a very special title. How many of us have gone to bed (as it’s getting light outside) still replaying moments from that evenings BF session.
When BF works it’s lightning in a bottle.
TLDR
Enemy territory is one of my favourite games ever played. "firing for effect!"
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@@llllllllllllllllllllllIlIwasnt even that long bro
This was me with BF2. I made really good friends with a group of guys on BF2 back in 2009. We still talk regularly to this day and some of us have met each other in person. We would all stay up super late during the summer off school playing BF2 and various BF2 mods like Sandbox. Those were the days! Good times.
LOL right before you destroyed the statue, I thought to myself "He should try to destroy that statue."
mission success!
Jack casually carrying his entire team while chatting with us. Brilliant.
Tbf, the game running that smooth on those settings does help.
Cheers
It's edited to look that way. He does a voiceover.
@@dongyschlontong-ck5xg It's not voiceover bro, there are many parts of the video that he talks about the gameplay itself
It's a voice over 😂 "It's not because he talks about gameplay" 🤦🤦🤦🤦
@@AcerProRokerInc gameplay itself, talking about what he was doing at the moment and the reactions he had 😮💨
Surprised no ones done a Warhammer 40k BF type game. That would be awesome
THANK YOU, I've been saying this on BF videos for ages a HD remake of BATTLEFIELD VIETNAM or BATTLEFIELD 40K glad I'm not the only one
Waaaaaagh!
No it wouldn't be
@@llllllllllllllllllllllIlI heretic
Battlefield Vietnam would be a good remake.
From South Africa, loving BFV. Unfortunately it's always 120ms for me to play on Singapore servers 😢. Loving it more than 2042 right now!
Love the content Jack!
BROOOOOOOO!!!!!! i still jump on from time to time on Bf1 and i play EU servers ... no one plays on the SA ones ...
I play on SG servers and I'm in Malaysia (right next to SG) and it's dead. I waited in an empty lobby for 15 minutes and only one guy joined, who then Immediately left. Man i wish this game was so much more popular in Asia
BattleBit and World War 3 were the closest, shame their potential was killed by their own devs (then again, pretty much same happened with Battlefield itself)
yeah WW3 got the feeling of BF4 with BF5 movement style and squad call in.. just no destruction
but they just cant get the server and player on it
@@5at5una Whilst the destruction is super cool, I think at the moment the tech just can't provide us large scale destruction without compromising on gameplay. If they were to do a 24/32 player BF game like they did BC2 I think the quality of gameplay would be better and destruction could be turned up. With 64+ players it's better to have no destruction and use those resources in making sure the netcode is solid.
BFV has been excellent... I haven't left it. I would pay $100 for a 10 map expansion pack for BFV - along with new weapons and vehicles.
Yes that would be so fun! Don't even need new weapons just new maps. Would be easy money for EA
same !!!!
that would be a dream
Same but for BF 1
I wish bf5 had 120+ players and delete the limits on conquer! Is so annoying when you die after cross the line
Give us the CTE back with map editor. If dice can't be bothered to make maps, the community will, I'd like to see a procedurally generated city map too.
It's a missed opportunity for DICE to not have a map editor. It allows a community to engage and enhance.
BF5 needs 2 Eastern Front maps, what an underlooked game
I was there Jack... 3000 years ago when BF1942 released... i was immediately hooked. i loved being just a normal soldier in a big battle.
There’s nothing better. It’s hands down my favorite game franchise for all the reasons you listed. The immersion, the variety maps, vehicles, aircrafts, ships, boats, watercraft, class load-outs, the music, the game play, the gun play, the necessary team play, and last but not least the destruction. Seeing the next best version of such a game on a modern engine could take the top spot in FPS gaming for the next decade if done right.
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Try squad, if u dont mind realism
It's crazy just how long BF5 has stayed relevant! What a great game.
Definitely overhated when it came out, and it only got better.
Apparently people think "overhated" = great
@@NRobbi42 Not overhated at launch, it came out broken and unfinished, while trying to change history. Now it's great.
I'm on bfv a couple hours every day still love it
@@badass6300 "Trying to change history" lol found one
@@NRobbi42what?? It was a disaster for years
I think there is no "competition" because the market is already filled with BF itself, people don't feel the need to play something that is almost BF but is not BF. Jack mentioned many examples of games that have incorporated the BF style of gameplay with their own "thing": oh this is Star Wars BF; oh this is Roblox BF; oh this is milsim BF, etc. Even the spot for "World War I/II BF" is filled (very well btw) by BF itself. To this day (even with BF2042) EA still does the BF formula well enough to make it relevant. Maybe if in the next iterations of BF EA and Dice keep making mistakes, someone else will make a decent game that looks basically exactly like the BF that we know today and then we'll have real competition for BF's spot in the market.
Also with how often they release new games, graphically the 2/3 most recent games almost always look almost as good as the most recent game. Case and point BF1, BF5 and BF2042 look very similar graphically. So If I want my BF fix in a WW2 setting or WW1 setting, I already have Battlefield games with decent populations to play with. Problem is that most BF players are arcade shooter players first, so stuff like Squad are too different from core gameplay of BF. Same reason why COD and Counter-strike are both FPS shooters, but have wildly different playerbases.
I hate what EA has done with DICE and Battlefield, but it works for them. Each BF gets bad reviews on launch, then they work on fixing the game, then EA tells them to go make new game yesterday.
I agree. And I am saying for a long time now, the BF crowd seems to die out. I guess younger players are no longer that much attracted to BF mechanics. That hurts sales and revenue compared to other AAA games. And it is a shame. BF evolved 25 years ago and back then there was at least a few similar games. E.g. Enemy Territory (RTCW ET). I played this about till 2005 and switched then to BF BC2.
This is a really good point well made. However, to play devils advocate for a minute - Healthy competition is how this specific genre will flourish. If one company/dev has the monopoly, you will see lack of effort because no one is even in the same league. It is like playing Poker with yourself lol. My view is that a big dev needs to go into direct competition with them to stop EA getting complacent. I also think that they have over complicated the mechanics for the past 2, trying to concentrate on visuals over everything else. This is just my view though, for what it is worth. I am yearning for a battlefield with gunplay & vehicles from BF4, map design from BF3 and visuals from BF1. No specialists, no 2 clips before going to an ammo dump (That's what engineers are for), no bugs at launch & just a fun sandbox game.
Imagine Dice spending a year making updates for all their old games. Maps, weapons, classes, etc
I'll wager it would win back many disaffected players.
@@truthseeker9454genuinely doubt it, although I’d like to see it, but given the vitriol in this community most would probably find an excuse to get mad about it.
I’d pay for BF1 dlc. Nothing will make me play any newer BF games.
@@connorbranscombe6819 I hear you. It's sad, really. I played games like MOHAA, SH and BT many years ago. Those were some of the best times I've ever had online. Those games had bugs and were vulnerable to cheats, but the player community banded together to laugh about the bugs and ban the cheaters.
These more modern games have stunning graphics and some amazing features, but it seems players complain about *everything.* It's either too much this or not enough that. I'd honestly hate to have the job of trying to please them.
I just know I'm done with chasing specs and always having to buy more expensive hardware to play the latest games. I think there are a lot of others who feel that way, too -- hence the large number of players still playing BF 1 and BF V. I'm among them. I'd pay for new content for those games as long as my computer can run them; I think others might as well. Peace, brother!
I think the simple reason Battlefield doesn't get any competition is because it doesn't make enough money as hero shooters or simpler shooter games.
Most FPS games seem to have a heavy emphasis on lootboxes and cosmetics and make a stupid amount of money of them, while being more simple to make gameplay wise (Overwatch, Valorant, COD, etc.)
Theres a lot going on in a BF game so I figure its hard to design servers that handle it all, especially given the graphical fidelity. I imagine that's why Battlebit can do it with 200+ players. And tbh, I feel like if another big publisher tried it, it would be too much of a risk since they would try to keep costs low and still manage to be worse than older BFs. Maybe, idk
You nailed it, "too much risk" vs how much money it costs to make vs how much money they HAVE to make. cheers
I think it does not have a ton of competition is because it has a grip on a lot of the fans of the genre with the whole combined arms thing. They also do it relatively well. This is complete speculation, but I think that they don't want to try because they think they will fail? I do think that Battle.bit did the gameplay justice though!
2042 has competition because it’s pretty mid. But, yah, BFV (and BF1) have no equal.
You’re 100% right! BF4 was the best game ever made.
yeah but it really doesnt
Where??
Mid?
@@snarl3027 BF3 was better overall, BF4 had the better mechanics but worse maps
I finally deleted BF2042 from my PS5. The new map is uninspired. I'm re-downloading BFV now.
sad to see you go, have fun bfv o7
That's exactly what I did. I BF1 and BF5 are still kickin.
Smart choice. 2042 is a disgrace to the franchise
Enlisted is another alternative as long as you count the bots for it's large scale warfare. It's only 10v10, but each player can have 9 controllable soldiers each.
Unfortunately the grind is comically long. It's a worse version than war thunder and that's saying something.
I gave Enlisted a chance and it was quite fun. However, I was getting sick of the huge grind feeling. As soon as you thought you were going somewhere, you had to start grinding from scratch yet again with another side. I do have to say it is a fun take where you can control a squad online. Just so dang grindy.
Rising Storm 2 has alot of things that make bf games great, it does have large maps, squads, classes and helicopters too.
nice video. as a nowadays very casual gamer, i don't have the insights into the more detailed gameplay mechanics or history of a game. quite interesting to hear an "experienced" view on modern gaming and thoughts on why the industry is how it is atm.
We need a full scale Battlebits...or atleast a console port.
A series like Hell Let Loose can thrive in different timelines because they have a solid foundation as is. But that's committing to a more sim-shooter type game.
The only thing I have against that is pc would then be ignored and no consideration to how any changes would impact pc players like nerfs and things
I love battlefield, even with its flaws, since BC2 and watching your vids, Level cap, etc. I love the immersion, even when not playing well. Side note..I will never NOT be amazed how you play so well and do commentary at the same time.
I love bf5. It was the best squad game with your mates, without the sweat of sbmm. Sniping and tank busting was so much fun. I’m a console player and it looks like Helldivers has that same squad/mates feel?
Nah bf3/bf4
Good to see you back, Jack.
It’s amazing how nonchalantly you can decimate a team whilst talking about games and such. Gg’s!
Damn, what an amazing map you were playing on. It has so many different vibes and settings and flows really nice. Wild how good this game still looks 🤯
Been playing so much battlebit... Really looking forward to their big update coming soon
You mentioned Quake and Unreal Tournament towards the end, and I've been wondering recently about what happened to the arena shooter genre, as I never really got to experience it and feel like I would really enjoy those kinds of games. I'd love to hear your thoughts on that topic as well.
Imagine the return of arena shooters! Boo yaa!
I still love Halo for example but one thing jack didn't touch so much on and off subject slightly is sandbox arena shooters. Man they're so fun and I miss the old school unreal tournament / quake / halo madness. Nonetheless BF is still king
He had talked about it in a video. Not sure which one. I would consider Halo a modern version of an arena shooter. But it is very different than quake and unreal with pacing
the 30 year olds want 5v5 cs like, or war like shooters they can't handle the quake shooters. It's just my take, they get bored of the die/respawn/die type game play but can do that if they are drinking water / food in a dayz type game -- weird huh? arena shooters are dead and most of us 'boomers' are sad about it, but what can you do? gotta just join the newer type of gamer and deal with it (hence why i forced myself to learn bf2042 / bb / cod (the horror) type games.
Lawbreakers happened
Great question, I think it comes down to development difficulty and time investment getting all the features working together in a combined arms focused game. Like the flying just does not feel quite right in 2042 vs bf4 and everyone noticed. When all the features don't mesh well it really breaks the immersion. It is rare for a single game dev studio to have the engine experience to iterate all those different features with destruction and an engine capable of handling all the vehicle mechanics/physics. It is like 3 games in one but each game is harder to make because it has to work with all the others. I imagine being the project manager for such a team would be very difficult to say the least, whatever the case I hope more great combined arms games with destruction come out and I would love to see new dev teams try to create games like this.
Love the video as always! Still wish you showed the ending K/D. :( Since you're amazing as always it'd be like 50-5. Haha
Anyone remember M.A.G ? Either 128 or 256 multiplayer maps back in ps3 days.
Yup! loved it
like so many great games, forsaken by time
Shame it never got a follow up
It was tried at one point with the game Frontlines: Fuel of War and I don't think most people ever even heard of it and this was 2008 right between 2142 and BC2. 🤷♂
I was in the Beta for that game. It had potential but was kind of stillborn. It was released in a very basic state and pretty much abandoned as the studio that made it (Kaos) moved on to Homefront. As a side note, many of the developers at Kaos previously worked on the Desert Combat mode for 1942 that inspired BF2.
It was interesting. Underwhelming at times, but I still played it a bunch.
Didn't hear a word you said :) Was enthralled in your game play! I wish I could be that good.
The Harry Potter under the stairs reference is great, Jack. That's why I watch your content, you always have a reference to popular culture. In my opinion the commentary you do is underrated. Keep it coming I'm all for it.
I would put ww3 in the list, but still isn't the same for sure
WW3 will never get off the ground. Devs really kinda fucked it on its launch sadly. They should have moved it to console when it had the hype.
Play Easy red 2!
In all honesty the vibe is more similar to OG battlefront, and the graphics arent great, but the game is fantastic. And the kid making it has made massive strides in the time ive had the game. Theres been several free dlc with tons of maps.
I was thinking the same thing got the game on xbox and have been having an absolute blast hope more people check it out
Was about to mention this title until I saw your comment.
Def something to checkout. Basically a budget-friendly bf game with full crossplay support!
that game is fucking terrible
@@FryCook87 who hurt you man
@@corndogfilms im being serious i played the thing with a friend and it was unbearable
Special type of guys can stroll around, taking on squads alone, while chatting about whats on their mind in a hectic game like Battlefield. Im so glad I found this video, I did not know about a lot of these other games like Battlefield
WW3 was a good battlefield style game, until they released it on Free-2-Play, changing the movement, sound (which was |EPIC) and gunplay, also the colur palette was enlivened which ruined the bleak atmosphere
Yup, game had potential, but ultimately fell pretty flat
Enlisted is among the list of games like battlefield
love that game
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I would Love Jack's PC set up his videos always look sooooooo crisp an clean! Definitely one of my favourite content creator's 👌
People tried to kill this franchise just to let make them get better. Instead, the next battlefield flows more and more ..
Battlefield has a huge engine, and Dice must reach to its limits so it can get near the recent COD and other tactical FPS Games that emphasize realism .
But I really doubt it because Battlefield has this kinda limited as teamplay game more then rush lone wolf like COD..
BFV was way underrated. I never understood the hate, i loved it the whole time,it has the best movement of all battlefield games, and its better than any COD in the last couple handfuls of years
Because of the woke propaganda BS with there being female soldiers in WW2
It came after bf1 people were sick from ww and it had many issues they wanted to put woke propaganda in it but then they fixed it and abandoned it to develop battleshit 2042 Angel does it again
I really have enjoyed it too specially the Fliegerfaust to ruin a pilots day 😂
It's a pretty good game now, but people were frustrated with how the live service aspects of the game rolled out. There was very little content and the devs kept rebalancing things, creating massive swings in how the game played. Then Dice pulled the plug out very quickly just as the game started to find its footing.
@@benrockwell1503 I remember they made one big balance pass, and then reverted it. I didn't remember too much after
There's battlebit, proximity chat is so much fun
Sad that it’s basically dead outside of North America
It needs a console release
Dude I agree. I think if the next Battlefield incorporates the gunplay, proximity chat, and other features from Battlebit, it could be very successful.
This video had the same vibes as the guy who makes the train video, just instead of running around looking at trains you’re just mowing people down 😂
Hell Let Loose is my go to game. Haven't touched a Battlefield game in the last two years.
That game is amazing
I think that game is best for those that already played a ton of BF. I rather have a more casual game like cod or bf just to chill tbh
Haven’t played any other shooter after I picked up HLL
Battlebit is my vote. The graphics dont mean too much if ur still having fun
I love that project reality got a shout out. Still play it till this day and still one of the most cinematic and co-operative experience I have ever had.
Hell Let Loose is the go to ‘Battlefield’ style game right now. The best battlefield moments are from squad play, and HLL amplifies that on a large scale
I love HLL. But it's not a BF competitor due to the fact that it's more of a Mil Sim. Completely different feels.
Not even close to BfV
BV5 one of the greatest Battlefield games
I remember one game when I was a kid : Wolfenstein enemy territory. It was pure joy to play it. Very similar to the rush mode, more objectives turned game, but with classes and so on
From the perspective of a game developer, I can definitely say that the cost is part of the reason as to why developers and publishers aren't trying to make Battlefield like games. The cost means that a failure is way more painful, whilst a success is way less profitable.
I however believe that there are two main reason why developers don't want to take that gamble. The first one is that there are already two massive games in the genre that are so entrenched that trying to take customers away from them seems like an impossibility.
The other reason is kind of linked to that, and that is that gamers who play these kinds of games usually pick one and then play that game for a really long time. In genres like city builders for example, most players tend to play a lot of different city builders, which makes it an easier market to break into. In the FPS genre, players usually pick one line (CoD or BF) and then just play the newest or best game in that game series, which makes it a lot harder to break into that genre.
When I talk about "players" in this context, I'm talking about the "typical" player of that genre. Therefore none of this needs to apply to you. Also, this is just my best guess based on my experience, I could be wrong.
Battlefield: GI Joe, cell-shaded graphics, Joes VS Cobras.
Battlebit is a better battlefield ?
Nahhh
I liked bf5 alot. Was always surprised people hated it. It was still true BF. I still play it ✊️
Nothing has come close to them early planetside 2 years. Some insane battles to be a part of that i will always remember.
I LOVE YOU JACK! PLEASE MARRY ME!!! 💍
HOW DARE YOU.......I'll be his second wife
Battlefront 3 needs to be made but it needs to be more similar to the originals mixed with the first dice version.
I agree. Gaming for me always has had battlefield at the forefront. And although I used to switch to call of duty from time to time over the years, I have always been a battlefield fan. There is just something so unique in the classic battlefield bc2, bf3 and bf4 formula that kept me playing. The immersion of modern combat rifles, tanks, jets, choppers, being a trained soldier part of big armies, feeling like you REALLY were flying and parachuting out of choppers and buildings (something that bf2042 really lacks), the gritty feeling of war and cursing going on while fighting the other team, the squad play and conversations with random people playing together to push the objective. MAAAN I miss those fucking days...
Another problem is that a large number of games you mentioned are pc exclusive so there are even more limited options on console
Oh man flying the apache in Desert Combat was very hard in 1942, but extremely satisfying. modding for Battlefield back then was great.
I believe the hardest thing to do in games like this is making a large scaled map and making it balanced for the players. Also, having a lot of players together, with explosions and all, is hard to optimize on certain hardwares.
PlanetSide 2's gunplay and movement was straight up designed to feel like Battlefield's, to the extent that the infantry weapon values are directly copied over from Bad Company 2 (SOE just added extra zeros). To say that it didn't feel the same at launch is way off, because compared to the Battlefield games of the time it was quite similar. It's only the more recent Battlefield titles that have felt particularly different, since DICE has been adding extra movement and consistently fucking around with gunplay.
PlanetSide 2's major problem as a competitor to Battlefield, though, is that from about 2015 onwards (or whenever Higby and Smedley left the company) it has suffered from an increasingly severe identity crisis that has prevented refinement of the FPS aspect of the game (the bit that competes directly with Battlefield). It had a rushed launch because the studio ran out of funding, so it needed a lot of work to finish off all the different systems that would allow a massive scale FPS game to feel balanced. They have never completed the core sections of the game that would allow for a more consistently enjoyable FPS experience, so Battlefield players coming to that game very quickly find themselves frustrated by the complete lack of balancing and lose interest. Battlefield as a series (particularly recently) isn't perfectly balanced either but at least there has always been a recognition from the developer that this is an important aspect of the genre and something that needs continuous attention.
On many nights PlanetSide 2 will be the worst FPS game you have ever played because its players are given completely free reign to stack unlimited cards in their favour. In my 3000-4000 hours playing that game I have experienced many "fights" where there were over 100 enemy players vs just me, and literally 20 - 30 tanks + air support continuously shelling all exits to the spawn room. And the people who play like this will continue to play like this because the game rewards them for it.
I play this game so much that I always crave a new set of maps. I wish it had more content. I agree with Jack, there's just nothing as good as this
I'm a bit surprised that some say that BattleBit isn't immersive, they probably haven't actually played the game, just watched some one else play it. When you are playing on a server with 254 other players, hearing local voice comms from both friendlies and enemies, buildings getting leveled from all the explosions and players putting up fortifications where ever they want.
It's hard not to get immersed in it when playing. You'll have to tunnel vision hard on the graphics and ignore everything that's actually happening around you in the game.
Part of the success is most likely the accessibility, I doubt that BattleBit wouldn't have made it if you would've needed a NASA supercomputer to play it.
I still play BF1. Just the WW I emersion is unreal to this day
i wanted to get bf2042 but i don't have a good pc to run bfv smooth even so i thought i will just wait maybe i will upgrade my pc and then try them to have good experience Games like battlefield are hard to find i still play Bf4 bf1 and hardlines sometimes not bfv alot cuz pc lag but i am excited to see how the next bf game be i hope its bf4 and 3 combined be a dream come true also i love watching your videos your game looks really good and all those graphics and then + whatever you talk about i like hearing so its really good i enjoy it alot
This game was awesome, still sort of is - want to go back to it. This map in particular (coming from Rotterdam) was such a treasure
One game that is slept on is Polygon its free and its Battlefield/Call of duty mix and you can customize weapons and such. And there is maps from BF and other games. give it a try its fun
I believe that in today's society, many individuals have developed a lack of patience and a desire for quick solutions. This, when combined with economic pressures and investor expectations, can create a negative situation. Rather than rushing to complete tasks, it is important to take the time to do things properly and thoroughly, instead of settling for a half-hearted attempt. Sometimes, the simplest solutions are the best. I mean, they don't need to reinvent the wheel, just take some proper time with it. That's my thoughts on it :). Thanks for the great content :)
I miss the good ole days of 24/7 hardcore no minimap operation metro with Max tickets and getting 300+ kills per round because they were 2hrs long. Id stay bipoded out with a 240B and an Acog at the turn stalls having the opposite team pinned down just outside the entrances of the metro building
I don't think the finals gets enough love for exactly what it is. However I take your point that a domination style game mode would be sick though, just tricky imagining how weapons and classes can be balanced within the main game modes. Maybe 4 teams of 5 fighting over 3 objectives would work
I think battlefield is that perfect balance between visuals and gameplay. As a software dev (not game dev) I can say for a fact that the reason there isn't another battlefield is just money/time, creating a game like this from scratch would take so long and such a massive initial invesment that it's not worth it. Then you have to think about what exactly would you make so different to DICE that it wouldn't just be a clone of battlefield. At the end of the day DICE have the Game Engine, Experience, Staff count and they can recycle content from previous games.
I yearn for a Battlefield 1 2
No other multiplayer game has managed to capture the same level of emotion and epicness since then. Every game felt on multiple levels for me
Hey Jack gerat vid mate keep it up!
Battlefront (2015 and 2017) and Battlefield are made by the same devs using the same engine. They aren't that dissimilar but they aren't the exact same. I really would like to see a Battlefield like Star wars game as I think it could work amazingly.
I think a large part of it comes down to developers largely not wanting to make what already exists, alongside the business folk in charge of studios and publishers mostly only attempting to make competitors/imitators if they can do so on the ultra-cheap (see: Fortnite moving to battle royale after PUBG)
I unironically think that the only real way we’ll likely see competition emerge for Battlefield will either come from some random upstart studio in China, like what PUBG saw with Free Fire; or Embark making their own Unreal-powered competitor, that’d largely just use assets from The Finals (at least, to start things off). Developing games of this series’ scale is getting so expensive, that pretty much no other scenario seems possible to me
Jack casually killing players while discussing alternate games to Battlefield.
Also Jack: Destroys a statue minding its own business
RIP to the statue.
red orchestra 2 heroes of stalingrad is a good game, one of my favorites, a shame it isnt as popular as these other games
Hawk Ops confirmed will have an MP mode with no heroes, hopefully it will have dedicated servers where hosts have some control as well. Cautiously optimistic about it.
Where was it confirmed?
I'd still like to have a gamemode in BFV where everyone can get in a plane or tank, no spawn limits. Just the big open maps, just all out chaos
this game is still an excellent game, still playin since 2018..
I mean there is the Arma Franchise. King of the hill back in the day was somewhat close with combined arms and was able to do 100+ people per match. not the same feel though with levellution or the overall pace of battlefield but i do have alot of good memories of being a transport pilot and flying into the AO while dodging enemy fire
Hi Jack, In response to your question/video. In my opinion I feel Dice have such a great game engine and have been using and upgrading it for a very long time. I don't feel any other game engine could produce anything near the same experience. Ultimately I believe its the engine they use. Love your content thankyou for taking time to create. 👍
I feel like there aren't more games like Battlefield because they don't hold the average player's attention long enough. Like me personally, I played BF2042 and enjoyed it, had some fun, then after 20 hours I moved on to other games. Battlebit was really fun as well, but after around 15 hours I moved on from that one.
Meanwhile I'm 80 hours into Helldivers 2 and still going strong.
Without story or progression or something to keep people interested, I feel like people just move on once they have experienced everything the game has to offer.
That's not to say there isn't a certain type of gamer who won't invest thousands of hours in a game like this, but I think the "average" player doesn't spend enough time or money beyond the initial purchase to justify a studio trying to jump into the space.
I think the BF games are just a genre in the gray zone of gaming. They're good on their own but everyone wants an extraction shooter; or at least it seems that way.
I think BF is still fun and filled with so many unique moments that make it incomparable.
The biggest things that are hard to replicate has to be the visual fidelity combined with the destruction capabilities. Most indie games were based on engines that don't handle destruction very well like Unity. Dice definitely has proprietary systems that handled destruction very well up until 2042. That and a lot of developers want to try and set themselves apart from Battlefield. Red Orchestra 2 was pretty close minus the destruction elements and tried to balance arcade and milsim. I keep hoping with the voxel based advancements that Dice might take more advantage of more dynamic destruction. Destructible environments are super hard to simulate and optimize with the polygons they create. I used to try to make maps for Halflife 2: Deathmatch back in the day and that on it's own wasn't the easiest to optimize. That and the war eras to focus on have been done so much that it's hard to create interest and excitement these days, which has been a problem for a while. Trying to touch a more modern era and compete with BF3 and BF4 would be an extremely hard sell comparison wise.
First time long time, love this kind of content would love to see more gaming discussions/ramblings Jack, cheers 🫡
I’m nearing 900h of BFV on my elderly ps4 and each time I see a streamer play it or I’m sitting down myself for a few rounds, I have a grim on my face. Bad Company 2, BF3 & 4, BFV and then BF1. It’s crazy to say that Battlefield has been with me through most of my living life. Can they make it happen again? Let’s see
Battlefield 1 was the pinnacle of the game series battlefield 5 was there and was really really good but the fan base wanted a hyper realistic historically accurate game and if the devs just listened BF5 would’ve been among the best games still around.
battlefield 1 and 5 were two of a bazillion other shooter games i've ever played that were so good, currently about to get both on pc and relive some of this awesomeness, never gonna touch bf42 though
In addition to being an excellent commentary, the gameplay itself here is such a perfect showcase of Battlefield being Battlefield. :)