This is a great conversation. My opinion is - if you have something going there - even if you are just making it - you are better off being there. If you came home you have to have the money - or land - otherwise it is just as bad here. If you managed to buy a home in the US you can sell and bring the money home but buy land and build a home immediately. Sometimes it works for people returning. It's home and even if it's tough you do not feel like a visitor. But sometimes it does not work. There are things that work better in the US. Sense of self is higher - a particular sense of your rights as a human being is more or less respected - except of course - you are black in America! (😂). I have friends who came back after twenty five years with children - and they are doing very well. I have friends who came back - and could not make it - and had to go back to the US - and if they did not leave matters well, they find themselves having to start all over again - on food stamps and social security. Whatever you do, COME BACK WITH a U.S. PASSPORT! You can have duel citizenship now. Don't cut off your road back to the States even if just to visit. And then for those of you in your fifties or approaching - remember much of this is just mid life crises - we are going through the same here - and you will just carry it back with you and find the same. If you are settled in the US, make peace with being there. If you are feeling depressed, home will not take it away. If however - you are struggling - and life has lost its meaning - get your kids to University - they are American now - and then come home. You have one life. You can be rich and miserable. Or on a farm at home, eating your own food - poor - but happy. The question of happiness you have to answer for yourself. But poverty - and I mean where you cannot even eat your own food - is just as depressing here, as it is in the US. I came home and I am very, very happy. I travel freely, with my own money - I feel like I'm a Kenyan - I stand for Kenya - I argue my corner anywhere in the world as though I am a full human being from somewhere on this Earth - and I live and die with our political situation, whatever it is - because I am Kenyan and I fight for it, and it matters and I vote. These things make me happy. I was in the US and the UK for a long time but never got papers and was always an outsider. But. I had land here. Without land things may have turned out very different. Now I'm like my parents (deceased) - and I've sent my daughter abroad for her education - and she can decide her own life. I am happy here. One thing - for people like you Lucy - I'll just generalize - you have integrity and we miss people like you here at home - we used to all be like this twenty years ago - hard working, honest and educted - and our passport was the weightiest Black African Passport abroad. For you all - become American. You are there. If you have papers, you are American. It will alleviate your depression. Be American, and work on being the America you want to see. Be proud of the constitution - and raise your voice where you see America is going wrong - and it is on a long path on the wrong side at the moment - unaware completely of what itself America stands for - freedom, and the rights and dignities of human beings, simply because they are human. America has a high calling. Be that America. Remind them. You are American. You will always be Kenyan - come for holiday, extended - and then go back. You have done well. And you can speak to us from there about what we need to be doing here - to respect people, to respect democracy, to demand Government policy on minimum provisions of health, education, housing, water and access to Law - afterall - we forget - ideally WE are government, looking after ourselves - but here in Kenya we still have a colonised mind-set - and so Government is something other than us - something foreign - to be abused by corrupt politicians and feared by ordinary wanainchi. I think - more than anything - the freedom to be who you are in this world - determines whether or not you are happy. And then we die. Die happy. I've really enjoyed these videos - thank you - and I wish you well.
Thank you Kenny. First off, let me just say I love that people are taking their time to leave these long and detailed messages chipping in to the conversation. I truly appreciate that. I like the points you raised - especially having American papers. It would not be wise if you completely abandon the US before you get proper documentation- unless of course you have no intentions of returning. Owning investments back home is important as well. Everyone’s definition of happiness is different. There are very many people who live a minimalist lifestyle and are very happy. Thank you for this- I know it will help many who are struggling with making the decision of whether to leave the US or stay
Sometimes I wish I was born in an African country. As a Black American, it's really hard to find my identity. I am learning more about my family origin. But, sometimes, I wish I can just say I am going back home (to another country). Thanks for sharing! I enjoy understanding things from someone of a different background from me. I have a friend who is from Haiti and seems to feel the same as you. I told my friend, even though we were born different places, we still face the struggle in America.
Its just because your roots aren't original to America. America is the dream of most young Africans due to its endless opportunities 'allegedly', but as spirits we are, we aren't truly at peace away from our origins and at certain points in our existence, no where will feel like home apart from where we originally belong. However, your dream of living in an African country can come true with careful and meticulous research as to where you fit in or do a DNA test to ascertain where you belong. Trust me when you visit there, you will truly come alive (from experiences of others). Best of luck.
I’m from Senegal and I think all countries to Africa have the same reality and then go back to Africa supposed planning the process for me firstly Agriculture, real estate, or even continue to work on what you did in the USA to make it a business, secondly make sure you go sometime in the vacation there and finally years by years you have a good plan ❤
My take is, before any action: 1) consult God and get divine advice on where to settle (spiritual strategy) 2) Have a lifestyle strategy to cope in any environment whether abroad or home. 3) Decide when enough is enough e.g your money, investments, achievements,friends, networks etc (career strategy) Lastly Spend less, earn more and save, you need a good chunk of money to live comfortably in any part of the world.
Great points, you're right, we need to get prepared before making such a big move. ‘Spend less, save more, decide when enough is enough..’ Thank you for participating in the conversation 😊
Good conversation! Live twitter forum would be ideal so that there is a back and forth! - Healthcare - Financial Security - Safety and security - Lifestyle adjustments (takes 5-7 years to readjust) - Familiy ties- some have already established families in the diaspora These are just the surface variables, and a tip of the iceberg!
Thank you for joining my Christmas Day LIVE! Yes, family ties is a big one, access to medical services is easier here though still expensive We will continue these conversations on matters that affect us as immigrants living in the diaspora and I appreciate your participation 😊
I am going back home to Africa in the next few months. Came here as a Teenager and enjoying Africa each time I visit. So will retire in Africa after retiring in a few months and 40 years
As a Kenyan man, we come from a shaming society and the stigma of going back home is incredibly real. Many of us who came to the US by way of Harambee from the entire village the EXPECTATION from the village is depressing. We feel indebted to help and it is also expected to help the village. Going back and the only thing you have done in your village is dig a borehole you will be seen as a failure. Either way they will see you as a FAILURE. It doesn’t matter what achievements you’ve attained unless the locals can see tangible achievements they don’t count. Example, they will guilt trip you into owning a home in Kenya even when you don’t want to or need it. Let’s talk more
My Kenyan sister--- a Ghanaian who is close to moving back to Ghana in 2 to 3yrs after 26yrs in the U.S ...listening to your reasons about what others will think about you should be the LAST on your worry list. Dont let others ppl opinions control your life. The most important is ...invest back home..A house and some kind small business you can run when you move back home to earn some income. For example restaurant business, or buy a couple of used cars and hire ppl to do uber or taxi will you supervise for income etc. And before you leave...invest in different investment portfolio like stocks, private 401k etc Even now our african american cousins are running to Africa because they are tired of rat race and racism and they see the writing on the wall about the direction this country. But for the african disapora anytime you bring such topics up is like a taboo and they start making all kind of negative comments
Besides 401k, i'd advice on a business in America also. Dollars converted to Kenya shilling goes far. Maybe $1500 from 401k and $800 from an asset. That's good.
The stress in America doesn't get better. The source of that stress is systemic. Whatever you can't change you remove yourself from the situation. The only thing we've control of are ourselves. Thats why there's a prevalence of high rate of mental illnesses in America. So, once it kicks off, it can only get worse as one constantly battles with the same circumstances that created the depression in the first place. Loneliness triggers depression and unfortunately Loneliness is part of the individualistic culture. The counseling or therapy is laughable because it doesn't provide solution to your real struggle but manipulate your psychological perception of your issues. It might help for a few weeks and reality kicks in when you get back to the rat race. I am moving back to Africa. Just stay in a city you don't have too much family members and old friends to bother you. You can even live in any city within your country without families knowing you're back to the country except you tell them.
Good points. For the therapy for me , I hope it won’t be long term , it gives me an outlet to rant / vent .. but I know that ultimately to have to be the one making the necessary adjustments to my life
Hi Lucy. Don’t worry about what people will say if you wonna go back home, it’s will be your decision and nobody else. ‘Webare planning to go back in a few years but I don’t wonna cut ties here, I can come 2-3 months and work to keep my license. It can be very tough to go back home if you have not prepared. Just start planning now. You look good btw.
@@esthernjuguna75 Hi Esther! Thanks for reaching out🥰 I’m better than I was last week🙏🏽 Thanks for pointing out that point on not cutting ties completely. Good idea to maintain license - cz you never know. We are blessed to have dual citizenship- so we kind of have 2 homes. Thanks for watching!
Thank you Kenny. First off, let me just say I love that people are taking their time to leave these long and detailed messages chipping in to the conversation. I truly appreciate that. I like the points you raised - especially having American papers. It would not be wise if you completely abandon the US before you get proper documentation- unless of course you have no intentions of returning. Owning investments back home is important as well. Everyone’s definition of happiness is different. There are very many people who live a minimalist lifestyle and are very happy. Thank you for this- I know it will help many who are struggling with making the decision of whether to leave the US or stay
Thank you for updating us but let us come and try America first before we say it is hard while others are building flats,big cars etc just because they live in America # never give up
Welcome to America. Sure thing, these videos are not to discourage anyone to come to the US, it’s just for your information, I’m just sharing my reality and experiences. Everyone’s journey is different. Trust the process
You can never save Africans from themselves. The Western media propaganda networks brainwashed them. The slave and neo colonial mentality has strong chokehold on them.
Hey, sis ❤ how are you doing? You're glowing ✨️ Everything you said is true. I feel sorry for those who choose to remain in America. They'll suffer tremendously.
Thank you. Everyone’s journey is different. Some people are successful and are okay with staying here. For those who are not, there is the option of going back home and investing there- may be live a happier more fulfilling life?
FACT all of us will all go through our highs n lows in life. And if you have never had your very low while you are mature they will come. Things not going well doesn't matter if you are abroad or back in Kenya common denominator you once was leaving well now you are struggling with no money. There are Managers or CEOs or an ordinary Kenyan who have just lost his/her jobs goes through the same. Why feel now that you are abroad you are unique???. When things are not working it's like gambling know when to stop digging the hole or when to leave the gambling table. That's where in Kenya we say know when to leave your mansion or 3 bedroom and rent a single room in Eastland n hibernate. If you are beaten once you live to try another day. If you don't have this mindset one will end in depression n alcoholism. One bible verse says there is nothing new in this world. Each action or decision anyone makes was once done or said by someone else. No one will be reinventing the wheel.
'There is nothing new in this world. Each action or decision anyone makes was once done or said by someone else. No one will be reinventing the wheel.' Very true. Thank you for this.
I think the general consensus among immigrants to the USA is that they'll earn whatever they do there and go back home to retire where the cost of living is as low as 10% based on lifestyle and other factors
We humans are emotional beings and it's natural that what people say might get to you. In that case, don't settle in areas too close to your family or you can have a house or settle in other African countries as well and do business there where nobody knows you. I understand and knows the pressure of family members or close ones. Sometimes they will pull you down especially when you're successful. So keep out of sight and live life to the fullest.
Thank you for your comment. Not saying that all family members back home are out to drain you financially. Some are really supportive and want you to succeed, but from the comments and feedback, many people would rather live far away from their families back home.
sunk cost fallacy. people feel theyve invested heavily and are more reluctant to abandon course. even though in some cases up and leaving is more beneficial unfortunately people dont realize atleast not on time that the current costs (not limited to monetary values) far outweigh the benefits of hustling throughout
For real.. and by the time some people decide to up and leave, it may be too late. I feel like people should strategize early in the game if the end result is moving back home, instead of "getting fed up " and leaving abruptly due to frustrations. Thanks for your comment
This is a great conversation. My opinion is - if you have something going there - even if you are just making it - you are better off being there. If you came home you have to have the money - or land - otherwise it is just as bad here.
If you managed to buy a home in the US you can sell and bring the money home but buy land and build a home immediately. Sometimes it works for people returning. It's home and even if it's tough you do not feel like a visitor. But sometimes it does not work.
There are things that work better in the US. Sense of self is higher - a particular sense of your rights as a human being is more or less respected - except of course - you are black in America! (😂).
I have friends who came back after twenty five years with children - and they are doing very well. I have friends who came back - and could not make it - and had to go back to the US - and if they did not leave matters well, they find themselves having to start all over again - on food stamps and social security.
Whatever you do, COME BACK WITH a U.S. PASSPORT!
You can have duel citizenship now. Don't cut off your road back to the States even if just to visit.
And then for those of you in your fifties or approaching - remember much of this is just mid life crises - we are going through the same here - and you will just carry it back with you and find the same.
If you are settled in the US, make peace with being there. If you are feeling depressed, home will not take it away.
If however - you are struggling - and life has lost its meaning - get your kids to University - they are American now - and then come home. You have one life. You can be rich and miserable. Or on a farm at home, eating your own food - poor - but happy. The question of happiness you have to answer for yourself. But poverty - and I mean where you cannot even eat your own food - is just as depressing here, as it is in the US.
I came home and I am very, very happy.
I travel freely, with my own money - I feel like I'm a Kenyan - I stand for Kenya - I argue my corner anywhere in the world as though I am a full human being from somewhere on this Earth - and I live and die with our political situation, whatever it is - because I am Kenyan and I fight for it, and it matters and I vote. These things make me happy. I was in the US and the UK for a long time but never got papers and was always an outsider.
But.
I had land here.
Without land things may have turned out very different. Now I'm like my parents (deceased) - and I've sent my daughter abroad for her education - and she can decide her own life. I am happy here.
One thing - for people like you Lucy - I'll just generalize - you have integrity and we miss people like you here at home - we used to all be like this twenty years ago - hard working, honest and educted - and our passport was the weightiest Black African Passport abroad.
For you all - become American. You are there. If you have papers, you are American. It will alleviate your depression. Be American, and work on being the America you want to see. Be proud of the constitution - and raise your voice where you see America is going wrong - and it is on a long path on the wrong side at the moment - unaware completely of what itself America stands for - freedom, and the rights and dignities of human beings, simply because they are human. America has a high calling. Be that America. Remind them. You are American. You will always be Kenyan - come for holiday, extended - and then go back. You have done well.
And you can speak to us from there about what we need to be doing here - to respect people, to respect democracy, to demand Government policy on minimum provisions of health, education, housing, water and access to Law - afterall - we forget - ideally WE are government, looking after ourselves - but here in Kenya we still have a colonised mind-set - and so Government is something other than us - something foreign - to be abused by corrupt politicians and feared by ordinary wanainchi.
I think - more than anything - the freedom to be who you are in this world - determines whether or not you are happy. And then we die.
Die happy.
I've really enjoyed these videos - thank you - and I wish you well.
Thank you Kenny.
First off, let me just say I love that people are taking their time to leave these long and detailed messages chipping in to the conversation. I truly appreciate that.
I like the points you raised - especially having American papers. It would not be wise if you completely abandon the US before you get proper documentation- unless of course you have no intentions of returning.
Owning investments back home is important as well. Everyone’s definition of happiness is different. There are very many people who live a minimalist lifestyle and are very happy.
Thank you for this- I know it will help many who are struggling with making the decision of whether to leave the US or stay
Wisdom ❤❤🎉
@@LucymwangiUSA💯🤗
@@JOHNDANIELS254 thank you
Sometimes I wish I was born in an African country. As a Black American, it's really hard to find my identity. I am learning more about my family origin. But, sometimes, I wish I can just say I am going back home (to another country). Thanks for sharing! I enjoy understanding things from someone of a different background from me. I have a friend who is from Haiti and seems to feel the same as you. I told my friend, even though we were born different places, we still face the struggle in America.
Its just because your roots aren't original to America. America is the dream of most young Africans due to its endless opportunities 'allegedly', but as spirits we are, we aren't truly at peace away from our origins and at certain points in our existence, no where will feel like home apart from where we originally belong.
However, your dream of living in an African country can come true with careful and meticulous research as to where you fit in or do a DNA test to ascertain where you belong. Trust me when you visit there, you will truly come alive (from experiences of others).
Best of luck.
The struggle is real. I appreciate your comment
You must overcome the FEAR of being thought of as a FAILURE. And it’s okay to FAIL but have a PEACEFUL LIFESTYLE.
💯
I’m from Senegal and I think all countries to Africa have the same reality and then go back to Africa supposed planning the process for me firstly Agriculture, real estate, or even continue to work on what you did in the USA to make it a business, secondly make sure you go sometime in the vacation there and finally years by years you have a good plan ❤
Thank you for this. Many people are now developing escape plans to go back home
My take is, before any action:
1) consult God and get divine advice on where to settle (spiritual strategy)
2) Have a lifestyle strategy to cope in any environment whether abroad or home.
3) Decide when enough is enough e.g your money, investments, achievements,friends, networks etc (career strategy)
Lastly Spend less, earn more and save, you need a good chunk of money to live comfortably in any part of the world.
Great points, you're right, we need to get prepared before making such a big move.
‘Spend less, save more, decide when enough is enough..’
Thank you for participating in the conversation 😊
Good conversation! Live twitter forum would be ideal so that there is a back and forth!
- Healthcare
- Financial Security
- Safety and security
- Lifestyle adjustments (takes 5-7 years to readjust)
- Familiy ties- some have already established families in the diaspora
These are just the surface variables, and a tip of the iceberg!
Thank you for joining my Christmas Day LIVE!
Yes, family ties is a big one, access to medical services is easier here though still expensive
We will continue these conversations on matters that affect us as immigrants living in the diaspora and I appreciate your participation 😊
I am going back home to Africa in the next few months. Came here as a Teenager and enjoying Africa each time I visit. So will retire in Africa after retiring in a few months and 40 years
@@alex3walexband3w19 you’ve been here for 40 years? All the best!
As a Kenyan man, we come from a shaming society and the stigma of going back home is incredibly real. Many of us who came to the US by way of Harambee from the entire village the EXPECTATION from the village is depressing. We feel indebted to help and it is also expected to help the village. Going back and the only thing you have done in your village is dig a borehole you will be seen as a failure. Either way they will see you as a FAILURE. It doesn’t matter what achievements you’ve attained unless the locals can see tangible achievements they don’t count. Example, they will guilt trip you into owning a home in Kenya even when you don’t want to or need it. Let’s talk more
This comment right here is THE TRUTH! Thank you for echoing my sentiments. Let's continue the conversation..
My Kenyan sister--- a Ghanaian who is close to moving back to Ghana in 2 to 3yrs after 26yrs in the U.S ...listening to your reasons about what others will think about you should be the LAST on your worry list. Dont let others ppl opinions control your life. The most important is ...invest back home..A house and some kind small business you can run when you move back home to earn some income. For example restaurant business, or buy a couple of used cars and hire ppl to do uber or taxi will you supervise for income etc. And before you leave...invest in different investment portfolio like stocks, private 401k etc Even now our african american cousins are running to Africa because they are tired of rat race and racism and they see the writing on the wall about the direction this country. But for the african disapora anytime you bring such topics up is like a taboo and they start making all kind of negative comments
@@mylesmills9666 ❤️❤️ on behalf of everyone who will read your comment and who is seeking such advice, thank you.
@@LucymwangiUSA You are welcome...
Besides 401k, i'd advice on a business in America also. Dollars converted to Kenya shilling goes far. Maybe $1500 from 401k and $800 from an asset. That's good.
@@TheChariot99 True. That's good advice. How about an online job or business?🤔
The stress in America doesn't get better. The source of that stress is systemic. Whatever you can't change you remove yourself from the situation. The only thing we've control of are ourselves. Thats why there's a prevalence of high rate of mental illnesses in America.
So, once it kicks off, it can only get worse as one constantly battles with the same circumstances that created the depression in the first place. Loneliness triggers depression and unfortunately Loneliness is part of the individualistic culture.
The counseling or therapy is laughable because it doesn't provide solution to your real struggle but manipulate your psychological perception of your issues. It might help for a few weeks and reality kicks in when you get back to the rat race.
I am moving back to Africa. Just stay in a city you don't have too much family members and old friends to bother you. You can even live in any city within your country without families knowing you're back to the country except you tell them.
Good points.
For the therapy for me , I hope it won’t be long term , it gives me an outlet to rant / vent .. but I know that ultimately to have to be the one making the necessary adjustments to my life
Hi Lucy. Don’t worry about what people will say if you wonna go back home, it’s will be your decision and nobody else. ‘Webare planning to go back in a few years but I don’t wonna cut ties here, I can come 2-3 months and work to keep my license. It can be very tough to go back home if you have not prepared. Just start planning now.
You look good btw.
@@esthernjuguna75 Hi Esther! Thanks for reaching out🥰 I’m better than I was last week🙏🏽
Thanks for pointing out that point on not cutting ties completely. Good idea to maintain license - cz you never know. We are blessed to have dual citizenship- so we kind of have 2 homes.
Thanks for watching!
Thank you Kenny.
First off, let me just say I love that people are taking their time to leave these long and detailed messages chipping in to the conversation. I truly appreciate that.
I like the points you raised - especially having American papers. It would not be wise if you completely abandon the US before you get proper documentation- unless of course you have no intentions of returning.
Owning investments back home is important as well. Everyone’s definition of happiness is different. There are very many people who live a minimalist lifestyle and are very happy.
Thank you for this- I know it will help many who are struggling with making the decision of whether to leave the US or stay
Thank you for updating us but let us come and try America first before we say it is hard while others are building flats,big cars etc just because they live in America # never give up
Welcome to America. Sure thing, these videos are not to discourage anyone to come to the US, it’s just for your information, I’m just sharing my reality and experiences. Everyone’s journey is different.
Trust the process
You can never save Africans from themselves. The Western media propaganda networks brainwashed them. The slave and neo colonial mentality has strong chokehold on them.
Wueh! Huku mrudi kasongo akisonga 😂
Kasongo ye ye eeh, mobali na ngai..😂 you’ve made my evening 😂
Hey, sis ❤ how are you doing? You're glowing ✨️ Everything you said is true. I feel sorry for those who choose to remain in America. They'll suffer tremendously.
Thank you.
Everyone’s journey is different. Some people are successful and are okay with staying here. For those who are not, there is the option of going back home and investing there- may be live a happier more fulfilling life?
FACT all of us will all go through our highs n lows in life. And if you have never had your very low while you are mature they will come. Things not going well doesn't matter if you are abroad or back in Kenya common denominator you once was leaving well now you are struggling with no money. There are Managers or CEOs or an ordinary Kenyan who have just lost his/her jobs goes through the same. Why feel now that you are abroad you are unique???. When things are not working it's like gambling know when to stop digging the hole or when to leave the gambling table. That's where in Kenya we say know when to leave your mansion or 3 bedroom and rent a single room in Eastland n hibernate. If you are beaten once you live to try another day. If you don't have this mindset one will end in depression n alcoholism. One bible verse says there is nothing new in this world. Each action or decision anyone makes was once done or said by someone else. No one will be reinventing the wheel.
'There is nothing new in this world. Each action or decision anyone makes was once done or said by someone else. No one will be reinventing the wheel.'
Very true.
Thank you for this.
I have concluded going back home is a personal decision.........how you do it is upto every individual person
@@RachealKibaiya-r2p that’s fair. Thanks for watching
I think the general consensus among immigrants to the USA is that they'll earn whatever they do there and go back home to retire where the cost of living is as low as 10% based on lifestyle and other factors
Good point
Happy to see you laughing, have a great day
Thank you!😊
We humans are emotional beings and it's natural that what people say might get to you. In that case, don't settle in areas too close to your family or you can have a house or settle in other African countries as well and do business there where nobody knows you. I understand and knows the pressure of family members or close ones. Sometimes they will pull you down especially when you're successful. So keep out of sight and live life to the fullest.
Thank you for your comment. Not saying that all family members back home are out to drain you financially. Some are really supportive and want you to succeed, but from the comments and feedback, many people would rather live far away from their families back home.
America is draining
Facts! Especially lately..
sunk cost fallacy. people feel theyve invested heavily and are more reluctant to abandon course. even though in some cases up and leaving is more beneficial
unfortunately people dont realize atleast not on time that the current costs (not limited to monetary values) far outweigh the benefits of hustling throughout
For real.. and by the time some people decide to up and leave, it may be too late. I feel like people should strategize early in the game if the end result is moving back home, instead of "getting fed up " and leaving abruptly due to frustrations.
Thanks for your comment
I’m I’m working and fixing things back home so I can return back home there is no way I can live abroad for 20/30 years
@@kongoqueen5143 all the best!
You're a nurse in USA, mambo kama ni ngumu rudi Kenya wacha story mob
@@DantezUSA 🤣🤣kelele lazima, we need to vent. Lakini you have a point
😂😂😂
@@LucymwangiUSA 😂 nice Lucy you took that lightly 😂
@@tommillia7816it’s all good imagine..😅
There is no economic nor financial freedom in Africa for the most part.
What if you make money in America, invest in Africa then move back?
🤔
This is what most zambians have done here@@LucymwangiUSA