I never though i'd see the day where computer hobbyists start having and making the stuff to maintain interest in the classic 8 bit machines that made modern computers possible. Just like car hobbyists care keeping classics alive, computer hobbyists are doing that and going beyond to create NEW classic 8 bit systems and support.
I agree! I don't personally have the skill to refurbish old machines or work with these "new" ones. But I see kids like my nephew and niece disconnected on 'where computers came from' IE. they just tap around with Netflix on pads or cheap games. When I was in grade school we were taught to program in BASIC to help understand the technology we knew we would be using as adults and its been really helpful with my home and work computers to be able to fix or tweak little things.
Yep! It seems the kids of yesterday who had those old classic computers (and consoles too) are now full grown adults with money of their own! New software AND hardware comes out almost weekly and that's great.
@@Makkenhoff A friend of mine's mom used to do medical transcribing from home on her Commodore 64 well into the Windows 95 age. Why? Because, at the time, it met all of her needs for that task and also one of the best programs made for that task were made specifically for the C64. She kept different files on different floppies and kept them safely stored (and duplicated) in organized boxes. From a programming point of view, those 8 bit systems were great because it was easy to "scrape the metal" and interact directly with the hardware instead of having to go through one or more additional layers to get to the hardware, slowing the program down.
While I don't own or have any experience of these retro computers (eg the PET), I find the 8 bit guy's videos absolutely fascinating! Keep up the good work! Marius from Poland...
As a Finnish guy with Russian ancestors who has a fascination with old technology, I find 8-Bit Guy's videos informative and entertaining as well. Love to Poland from the gloomy north :)
My first home computer in 1979 was a PET 2001 8K Ram with the chicklet keyboard and cassette drive. Which at the time was $750. I got it after getting a job as a Computer Operator and later a Programmer for it, on a Digital PDP 11/70 system producing the White Pages for New York Telephone which itself could only address 64K, That was fun writing programs to produce the telephone books for all of NY and later New England when we became NYNEX, all with an address limit of 64K.
I remember using NYNEX White Pages back in the day! Although people found various creative uses for it's pages besides looking up numbers... Especially the ones permanently attached to phone booths...
David, I respect you for the consistency and quality of your content. It may not be for everyone, even I something don't feel like watching a new episode, but I always know pretty much exactly what I am gonna get, no annoying sponsors, no bs, just straight to the point.
Yes. Watching a certain channel that has lots of "tips" can get annoying with the commercials... David is always just "here's the thing." And I love that.
He truly is one of the best modern youtubers! I don’t think I’ve seen a single video of his that wasn’t entertaining, on top of that I find myself viewing these videos more than once.
@@hobblinharry I wish more creators had crypto wallets or some kind of self-hosted donation pages. I simply cannot do Patreon in my country, not to mention other concerns.
Well, it's good to see it living on in yet another form, but I don't see a big advantage over emulation because the physical PET's main appeal for me is the iconic trapezoid monitor. I will wait for a convincing replica of that. - The PETSCII games showed in the video I find fabulous, and their artistically pleasing packaging as well.
That's still a hefty price point for just the motherboard.. $361 after shipping to the USA. And you need either an empty pet, or source a keyboard replacement and monitor.
The little 'rings' are there to help quiet down the mechanical keyboard. I actually used those on my CODE keyboard, but later removed them since I like the click and I didnt have an infant in the house anymore.
I don't understand everything you say, @The 8-Bit Guy, especially when it comes to very specific hardware terms, but I love your videos, you make complicated things understandable and as a 41-years-old grown up with the C64 + 5 1/4 " floppy drive, there is so much nostalgia. Fortunately I was very interested and kind of good in basic and later on in IC-programming, your videos are THE source of my personal healthcare. Thank you so much and please go on and on and on.
Love these old recreation boards. As the prices of originals continues to go up, for someone like me that wants to dabble but doesn't want to go in the deep end, it makes things accessible. Granted, they may not be cheaper than the originals in all cases, but with less headaches.
Glad you liked it :D .. Not bad for a pre-production PCB huh (only one mod.. did u spot it?) The 'retail' version is 99.99% the same, the most noticeable difference is the longer buttons for RESET & SD Menu function.
Honestly, I'm surprised that he has 1 million subs, but also surprised her does not have more!! Been following you for years and freaking love you're content! Keep it coming man!
Stuff like this is really cool. As someone who was never even close to this tech (im 15) i find it really interesting to see how computers started, and now how people are keeping the old stuff alive.
I am glad I follow you and LGR, mainly because LGR makes me wax nostalgic for PCs of the 80's and 90's, and you actually show me a different side of those decades that I didn't even know existed. Also, it's cool that these 8-bit and 16-bit boards live on and new software continues to be developed for them.
Those little O rings are to slightly reduce the travel of Cherry MX keys, mostly to prevent the key from bottoming to reduce deck clack. They are entirely optional.
@The 8-bit Guy One thing that I did when the keyboard ribbon broke in my TI-99/4A was I soldered male pin headers to the main board and the keyboard PCBs in order to use a 40-pin, 40 conductor IDE cable and used the same half of each connector on the ends to connect the keyboard to the mainboard there. The same method would work here as well instead of the individual groups of wires seen here.
I always know it's going to be a good day when David posts a new video. Today was no exception! Fingers crossed that the same will happen for 8-Bit Keys soon!
I have access to a glow forge laser cutter through my college, it'd be fairly trivial to make an acrylic case, all you'd need to provide would be the various pieces in a vector format (or a high resolution raster image I could vectorize)
When I consider a custom case for the minipet, my brain goes to something like the Apple II that you can put a monitor on top of. And then it hits me: screw down the monitor and that's basically an original PET. I have no imagination.
although, the monitors used with Apple II were substantial; at least 12". I think PET monitor was 9" or smaller(?) Sorry to be pedantic, but guessing wrongly is practically good as being imaginative, in my experience anyways... 🙄
As others have pointed out, the rings are for noise reduction. More specifically- they stop the keys bottoming out and hitting the PCB which is where the majority of the noise tends to come from.
I’ve got a 3D printer and would love to try my hand at a design, though I don’t have a large 3D printer (yet-waiting on the Prusa XL). However, this could be done in multiple pieces and still be pretty strong when joined together using tabs or screws. I also think that printing it in smaller pieces would be better because then it’d be more accessible to more people without access to a large printer.
When you get the Prusa XL, you will have to do a review on what you think. I have the CR-10S Pro V2 and it's a bundle of issues from time to time. I swear I'm fixing it as much as I am printing with it.
@@helldog3105 Will do. I’ve found the Prusa i3 Mk3S+ to be really reliable, provided it’s assembled correctly, which I didn’t the first time around, but even then, it keeps on going and produces great prints. The great thing about Prusa is you’ve got live chat support available whenever you need it, and IMO it’s well worth the money to have someone ready to be there. Like you, I want my hobby to be “3D printing”, not “3D printers”
Sweet revision, that is a cute little speaker onboard. ;) Do kind of wish for more video output options but I guess they're trying not to stray too far from the original hardware foundation. I love all this game software, kind of stuff I always wanted to see on the PET. I remember doodling on a PET in the early 90s and thinking approximate graphics were possible, love that Lemmings clone. Love to see something like SanctuaryRPG on the PET to anyone making homebrew. :D You know in hindsight the whole reversed font set method seems kind of redundant and wasteful for precious ROM space. Seems like the kind of thing a VDP should have been able to muster natively, inverting a character graphic in real time. Nice game update Dave, lovely improvements. I hope somebody can help you out with a new shell, would love to see a scaled down Mini-PET myself.
Woah.... I remember how utterly amazed we were my 3D monster maze, even on a ZX81.... but seeing it run on a "real computer" is still quite a sight even today.
No, its not a paid promotion As long as its transparent that it was free but arent under obligation, then it isnt. Even though they sent it to you, you didnt have to make a video about it, but you like it and chose to do so. Thanks for all your quality content.
A toner transfer method would be perfect for labeling these keys. Print the mirror image of the key letter onto the wax paper backing from any sticker by using masking tape to stick it to a sheet of paper and running it thru a laser printer. The toner is now only loosely adhered to the wax paper. Spray a light coat of rattle can clear coat on the key and allow to dry until just tacky but not wet. Then press the wax paper against the tacky key and burnish to transfer. Then finish with a final clear coat to seal it in. The results are often very professional looking.
They do, I purchased them to make a blue switch keyboard more quiet in a work environment in which I got a colleague that hated it's sound with a passion
@@fabiosemino2214, I doubt the rings had any effect on blue switches. The noise of blues comes from the construction of the switch, not from the key reaching end of travel which is the only thing the rings affect.
Stumbled across this randomly. I never knew this was a thing, but you video was so interesting I watched til the end. When I think of retro things I like most jump to NES/SNES/Sega etc, the obvious ones. But it is good to know the community extends to cool things like this :3. If I had more space/money this would be a cool hobby O:
I love your videos! I miss my commodore days. So many good memories. It's dang near impossible to find one around here at a reasonable price, but the search continues.... :)
If you get a product for free in exchange for promoting it, it is technically a payed promotion, but there isn't anything wrong with that, it just means you should disclose it, which you did. Nice informative 'payed promotion', great little project. I really like how they keep it simple, but did some very meaningfull additions for making the machine usable.
Paid promotion or not I think you made it clear of your relationship with them and FWIW that's cool. I think it's obvious why they would want to get you involved with their product and you gain some value from it as well. So all in all it's good. I'm no hobbyist nor am I really interested in buying that platform but I find it very cool to see the work you do with the hardware/keyboard and programming. Really enjoy that content and really enjoy the channel. Thanks so much for sharing, great stuff as always.
If you wanted to have custom labels for a keyboard, I have seen peel n stick sheets you can buy to design your own key labels and print. They fit over the keys nicely. I’ve been meaning to get a few for myself, since its so difficult to memorize all those shortcuts. Too bad I don’t have a color printer though. Is there a better video circuit on this board than the mini?
My first idea for an external keyboard for a MiniPET would have been using an CAT 5 Ethernet cable, but it's 11 cables short. A DB-19 connector would match exactly, but it's quite rare to source these days. Then I thought about using a DB-25 printer cable or a DVI Cable. It's more pins/cables than required, but it's easily sourceable nowadays. Finally, I thought about HDMI cables. 19 pins. A perfect fit. And they even sell coiled Micro HDMI cables. Well, food for thoughts.
Hey I've been trying to find the games I played in grade school back in the early 90's on the Apple IIe. I've been through many ROM sites and still can't find them. The bulk of the games I found were possibly made by MECC, if I recall correctly. A small company out of Minnesota. There were games made to teach simple mechanics like levers, pulleys, and fulcrums. I think it was called Pizza2Go, and you solved the puzzles to unblock your route to delivering pizza. Usually to the likes of Dracula and the Mummy guy. And there was another game where you had like 3 floors set up and you had to move your robot from the start near the top, to the goal usually near the bottom. There were elevators to go up and down from floor to floor. If I remember correctly it was a math game, and you used addition and subtraction to move your robot around. You could play with a friend or against the computer. Lastly another game from I don't know what platform, but it had Atari like graphics. Lots of yellows and greys in use. In the game you play as a few criminals trying to break into a vault and make off with gold bars. To get to the vault you had to go through a maze and avoid the guards.
The o-rings for the key caps are primarily used to reduce the amount of distance needed to register a keystroke, in addition to sound reduction you noted. They’re good if intend to type quicker and gamers will use them (they come in different thicknesses) to register keystrokes quicker.
Thank you, YT algorithm! The PET 2001 was the first microcomputer I got to play with, when a coworker of my dad lent his to us for a week or so. Talk about life-changing, as I approach retirement age after a life-long career in IT. One funny thing: that board isn't all that "mini"!
Make a replica based on the original curvy PET which was demonstrated at CES or similar. There is a picture on Wikipedia. I have since learnt that case was a painted wooden mock up. The reason the case changed to flat sheet metal was that Jack Tramiel realised released that Commodores filing cabinet factory could produce those cheaply in house. The reason I recall the picture of the curvy Pet was that as a schoolboy in 1977 I took an feature about it in a Sunday Newspaper to show the Head of Maths to show him how much more advanced it was than the schools Busicom 2017.
Hi David! Printing the case in one piece can be quite difficult as most printers are around 10x10 inch but, I've recently seen a video of a guy that has been printing a 1:1 front panel of a Boeing 737's autopilot and he made it in three pieces with sliders that where glued together and there was almost no sign of the connection! Unfortunately I can't find in my YT's history, but I guess you've got the point ;)
@@jemert96 yeah, you're right (I know I'm not having a skill), but also - David has enough of friends/followers that someone could slice the model into pieces and add a necessary joint points :)
Are there any MOS Technologies, Kim 1 reproductions? Red 4 address, 2 Op code O-9, A-F LED Displays, the edge card I/O connections to 2 I/O chips, 1 K RAM, 1 MHZ 6502. A short description of the Kim-1: The KIM-1 hardware consists of a 6502 CPU, some memory (just over 1Kb in a standard system), and two chips in the 6502-family called the 6530 RIOT chips. These chips provided support for input/output functions, some timer features, and each had some ROM containing the KIM-1’s monitor program. The display comprised six 7-segment displays, and input was via a hex keypad with some extra functions. A cas- sette interface was available to save and load programs to tape. The KIM-1 could also drive a serial port (slowly) to connect to a terminal (VDU and keyboard). Memory expansion kits were available (adding 4Kb of RAM meant a version of BASIC could be used). Another kit was available to display 16 lines of 32 upper-case charac- ters on a TV, and take input from a keyboard. The main way to program it was with machine language op codes and data. To run the program, you entered the start address and pressed the Go button. Go start Executing the Op codes.
Couple takeaways here. I take it shift and run/stop(on every Commodore I used, that would automatically type "LOAD" and press enter for you if you wanted to load the first file on tape) doesn't work on a PET? I've never used one. I never realised this, I assumed "Tynemouth, USA", but the place this comes from is just an hour from here in a car.
On the PET that combination tries to load from disk drive by default. Assuming it is the later ROM with disk drive support. So if you want to load from cassette, then you need to type it manually.
Huh, guess it makes sense. Home computers default to home storage and office ones default to office storage. Or at least that's how tapes and disks were here.
The key rings prevent the key from bottoming out hard plastic to hard plastic. It also has the side-effect of reducing total travel time, which can improve typing speed a little bit, since you lift up slightly faster.
how about using an old IDE ribbon cable as the keyboard cable? it is 1:1 pass through and the ATA-133 cables have those extra 40 pins to shield cross talk.
Hi! I just watched your video and saw that you were looking for someone who works with acrylic and lasers. I own a laser and have worked quite a bit with acrylic. I would be happy to work with you on a custom case for your MiniPET. I'm also a fellow retro computer geek, and really enjoy the videos you make. The intro music to your videos just makes me smile. :) Let me know if you want to talk lasers and custom cases, that would be a lot of fun!
I think the off centre before was that it was set up for the original PET monitor. I've seen the same issue in a TH-cam video where the monitor was replaced with an amber one, and the first MiniPET installed in the casing.
Love it, what a cool board! It's a shame they don't sell the D board with SMT components as a kit though. It's not like it is using BGA packages so assembly is certainly possibly for hobbyists. Time we hobbyists learned the new skills, perhaps? :) I know I could just buy the thing assembled, remove all the components and then reassemble but that isn't the point or the pleasure in assembling a kit, surely :)
The MiniPET 40/80D includes the last remaining 'real' chips on the planet....till 2024+ apparently. Was a total nightmare getting the unobtainurm chips.. I've even got some PCB's with a missing chip. Again, they 'say' they will have more made in 2024.. but I'd expect a lot of the 'retro IC's' that go into products like this to simply be dropped out of production all together :(
Interesting video and board. I wish the board had an option to move the DC Input and Composite output to the back though. Oh and I could easily design and print a case.
@2:50 - RE: "No keyboard cable" You can grab a set of straight through cables (M-M, M-F, and F-F) pretty cheaply as they're a pretty common arduino component... -- and now that I think about it, I bet in a pinch you could have used a 40-conductor IDE cable (assuming both sides are oriented on the pins the exact same way).
There are keycap profiles which are flat and thus allow the keys to moved to any row. Specifically XDA and DSA style keycaps. Aliexpress has a bunch of XDA keycap sets for relatively low cost (compared to most custom keycap sets).
hi, I wanted to know if the video output is "luma"; what happens if you connect the rca to the "green" of rgb tv? .. what if you split the rca and connect to both the "green" and "c-sync"? Thanks .. beautiful your video games !!!
I have not seen an SD card slot that big in a long time. "if you try to use a different key on the wrong row the slant would be wrong" not with the keyboard i have. it reminds me of a laptop
Joel had a video a while back where someone was demonstrating a continuous print bed 3D printer. It turns all the prints at a 45 degree angle and the print head as well and it prints onto a conveyor belt. If I ever build a 3D printer that's the one I'd like to build.
A way to get rid of those black divider marks printed on your keyboard keys is to use Stained Glass Pattern Scissors for lead. That will remove 1/16 inch of material.
I never though i'd see the day where computer hobbyists start having and making the stuff to maintain interest in the classic 8 bit machines that made modern computers possible. Just like car hobbyists care keeping classics alive, computer hobbyists are doing that and going beyond to create NEW classic 8 bit systems and support.
I agree! I don't personally have the skill to refurbish old machines or work with these "new" ones. But I see kids like my nephew and niece disconnected on 'where computers came from' IE. they just tap around with Netflix on pads or cheap games. When I was in grade school we were taught to program in BASIC to help understand the technology we knew we would be using as adults and its been really helpful with my home and work computers to be able to fix or tweak little things.
Yep! It seems the kids of yesterday who had those old classic computers (and consoles too) are now full grown adults with money of their own! New software AND hardware comes out almost weekly and that's great.
In a lot of ways, I find 8 bit computing to be plenty enough for certain tasks, especially with modern storage techniques.
@@Makkenhoff A friend of mine's mom used to do medical transcribing from home on her Commodore 64 well into the Windows 95 age. Why? Because, at the time, it met all of her needs for that task and also one of the best programs made for that task were made specifically for the C64. She kept different files on different floppies and kept them safely stored (and duplicated) in organized boxes. From a programming point of view, those 8 bit systems were great because it was easy to "scrape the metal" and interact directly with the hardware instead of having to go through one or more additional layers to get to the hardware, slowing the program down.
@@JustWasted3HoursHere they're also resistant to viruses. You can't run sophisticated malware on a 5.25" floppy!
While I don't own or have any experience of these retro computers (eg the PET), I find the 8 bit guy's videos absolutely fascinating! Keep up the good work! Marius from Poland...
Hello fellow polish person
As a Finnish guy with Russian ancestors who has a fascination with old technology, I find 8-Bit Guy's videos informative and entertaining as well.
Love to Poland from the gloomy north :)
C64 would probably be the best one to get into honestly, if only for the library, the sid chip is amazing, etc.
My first home computer in 1979 was a PET 2001 8K Ram with the chicklet keyboard and cassette drive. Which at the time was $750. I got it after getting a job as a Computer Operator and later a Programmer for it, on a Digital PDP 11/70 system producing the White Pages for New York Telephone which itself could only address 64K, That was fun writing programs to produce the telephone books for all of NY and later New England when we became NYNEX, all with an address limit of 64K.
I remember using NYNEX White Pages back in the day! Although people found various creative uses for it's pages besides looking up numbers... Especially the ones permanently attached to phone booths...
David, I respect you for the consistency and quality of your content. It may not be for everyone, even I something don't feel like watching a new episode, but I always know pretty much exactly what I am gonna get, no annoying sponsors, no bs, just straight to the point.
Yes. Watching a certain channel that has lots of "tips" can get annoying with the commercials... David is always just "here's the thing." And I love that.
I find his content interesting and calming. David just is genuine and his synthwave soundtrack is great.
He truly is one of the best modern youtubers! I don’t think I’ve seen a single video of his that wasn’t entertaining, on top of that I find myself viewing these videos more than once.
@@tomwilson2112 it’s also why he’s only one of two people I support on Patreon
@@hobblinharry I wish more creators had crypto wallets or some kind of self-hosted donation pages. I simply cannot do Patreon in my country, not to mention other concerns.
It's cool to see the interest in the PET still and this price point makes it more accessible to many compared to what the originals are going for!
Well, it's good to see it living on in yet another form, but I don't see a big advantage over emulation because the physical PET's main appeal for me is the iconic trapezoid monitor. I will wait for a convincing replica of that. - The PETSCII games showed in the video I find fabulous, and their artistically pleasing packaging as well.
That's still a hefty price point for just the motherboard.. $361 after shipping to the USA. And you need either an empty pet, or source a keyboard replacement and monitor.
@@tndabone Try and do it cheaper!
The little 'rings' are there to help quiet down the mechanical keyboard. I actually used those on my CODE keyboard, but later removed them since I like the click and I didnt have an infant in the house anymore.
what did you do with the infant you monster? :D
This, I find them to be annoying as they ruin the feel of the keyboard but in a noisy environment they can come in handy.
I use them at the (open plan) office, but not at home. They’re not perfect, but a little goes a long way when it comes to not annoying colleagues.
I use o-rings on all my keyboards, honestly prefer the feel.
Team Clicky 4ever!! Death to the Linears!!! XD
I think it's awesome that it has ports for legacy hardware.
I don't understand everything you say, @The 8-Bit Guy, especially when it comes to very specific hardware terms, but I love your videos, you make complicated things understandable and as a 41-years-old grown up with the C64 + 5 1/4 " floppy drive, there is so much nostalgia. Fortunately I was very interested and kind of good in basic and later on in IC-programming, your videos are THE source of my personal healthcare. Thank you so much and please go on and on and on.
Thank you for the review, it's good to see it all working nicely and the run through of all of the games.
You are a legend. Thanks for keeping this part of our history.
The Defender game blew me away. Amazing what a talented programmer could do with these older systems.
Love these old recreation boards. As the prices of originals continues to go up, for someone like me that wants to dabble but doesn't want to go in the deep end, it makes things accessible. Granted, they may not be cheaper than the originals in all cases, but with less headaches.
Forget the boards, You are FIRST congratulations on this amazing performance you get 🥇🏆🍾🥂👏🇺🇸 You were so fast to click!
@@RoderikvanReekum bot
How did he comment so fast?
22h ?!
@@lukemakessoftware7128 Patreon probably
Glad you liked it :D .. Not bad for a pre-production PCB huh (only one mod.. did u spot it?) The 'retail' version is 99.99% the same, the most noticeable difference is the longer buttons for RESET & SD Menu function.
Honestly, I'm surprised that he has 1 million subs, but also surprised her does not have more!! Been following you for years and freaking love you're content! Keep it coming man!
Stuff like this is really cool. As someone who was never even close to this tech (im 15) i find it really interesting to see how computers started, and now how people are keeping the old stuff alive.
The retro feelz are strong in this one!
I am glad I follow you and LGR, mainly because LGR makes me wax nostalgic for PCs of the 80's and 90's, and you actually show me a different side of those decades that I didn't even know existed. Also, it's cool that these 8-bit and 16-bit boards live on and new software continues to be developed for them.
What's better in the middle of the week than a new 8Bit Guy video.
Loved it, and the changes in the game are great
Those little O rings are to slightly reduce the travel of Cherry MX keys, mostly to prevent the key from bottoming to reduce deck clack. They are entirely optional.
Would they make a keyboard cat proof, annoying to find three key caps missing.
Cats like playing with running fans, fing idiots.
@@joefish6091 what the hell is your problem man
@The 8-bit Guy One thing that I did when the keyboard ribbon broke in my TI-99/4A was I soldered male pin headers to the main board and the keyboard PCBs in order to use a 40-pin, 40 conductor IDE cable and used the same half of each connector on the ends to connect the keyboard to the mainboard there. The same method would work here as well instead of the individual groups of wires seen here.
I always know it's going to be a good day when David posts a new video. Today was no exception! Fingers crossed that the same will happen for 8-Bit Keys soon!
I have access to a glow forge laser cutter through my college, it'd be fairly trivial to make an acrylic case, all you'd need to provide would be the various pieces in a vector format (or a high resolution raster image I could vectorize)
There is something so welcoming and comforting about your intro music
When I consider a custom case for the minipet, my brain goes to something like the Apple II that you can put a monitor on top of. And then it hits me: screw down the monitor and that's basically an original PET. I have no imagination.
Go horizontal!
although, the monitors used with Apple II were substantial; at least 12". I think PET monitor was 9" or smaller(?) Sorry to be pedantic, but guessing wrongly is practically good as being imaginative, in my experience anyways... 🙄
The MiniPET 40/80D's main purpose is to be a drop in replacement for a OG Commodore PET.. Or as an upgrade.. It can also be used as 'standalone'
As others have pointed out, the rings are for noise reduction. More specifically- they stop the keys bottoming out and hitting the PCB which is where the majority of the noise tends to come from.
Never thought I'd hear the 8 bit guy call something "totally badass." I've watched him for years and he's basically never sworn before.
David: Get in touch with the 3D Printing Nerd. He's got some massive machines that could even print an entire real size Commodore Pet case!
That’s a neat New modern MiniPET 4080D! It works quite amazing thanks to The Future was 8-Bit team.
Thanks to the open-source design they stole, like they always do.
@@Okurka. [citation needed]
@@Skellotronix Open-source has licensing...
I’ve got a 3D printer and would love to try my hand at a design, though I don’t have a large 3D printer (yet-waiting on the Prusa XL). However, this could be done in multiple pieces and still be pretty strong when joined together using tabs or screws. I also think that printing it in smaller pieces would be better because then it’d be more accessible to more people without access to a large printer.
When you get the Prusa XL, you will have to do a review on what you think. I have the CR-10S Pro V2 and it's a bundle of issues from time to time. I swear I'm fixing it as much as I am printing with it.
@@helldog3105 Will do. I’ve found the Prusa i3 Mk3S+ to be really reliable, provided it’s assembled correctly, which I didn’t the first time around, but even then, it keeps on going and produces great prints. The great thing about Prusa is you’ve got live chat support available whenever you need it, and IMO it’s well worth the money to have someone ready to be there. Like you, I want my hobby to be “3D printing”, not “3D printers”
Even after all these years the PET is still being made for enthusiasts like dave
Yes 👍
Sweet revision, that is a cute little speaker onboard. ;) Do kind of wish for more video output options but I guess they're trying not to stray too far from the original hardware foundation.
I love all this game software, kind of stuff I always wanted to see on the PET. I remember doodling on a PET in the early 90s and thinking approximate graphics were possible, love that Lemmings clone. Love to see something like SanctuaryRPG on the PET to anyone making homebrew. :D
You know in hindsight the whole reversed font set method seems kind of redundant and wasteful for precious ROM space. Seems like the kind of thing a VDP should have been able to muster natively, inverting a character graphic in real time.
Nice game update Dave, lovely improvements. I hope somebody can help you out with a new shell, would love to see a scaled down Mini-PET myself.
My dad had a PET (don't remember which model) in the basement when I was 4, and this brings back so many memories....
These videos will never get old!
Woah.... I remember how utterly amazed we were my 3D monster maze, even on a ZX81.... but seeing it run on a "real computer" is still quite a sight even today.
Compare to Doom 1993, BF1942 2002 Skyrim 2011 RDR2 2019
No, its not a paid promotion As long as its transparent that it was free but arent under obligation, then it isnt. Even though they sent it to you, you didnt have to make a video about it, but you like it and chose to do so. Thanks for all your quality content.
A toner transfer method would be perfect for labeling these keys. Print the mirror image of the key letter onto the wax paper backing from any sticker by using masking tape to stick it to a sheet of paper and running it thru a laser printer. The toner is now only loosely adhered to the wax paper. Spray a light coat of rattle can clear coat on the key and allow to dry until just tacky but not wet. Then press the wax paper against the tacky key and burnish to transfer. Then finish with a final clear coat to seal it in. The results are often very professional looking.
I think they even make a special paper for making water transfer decals.
Good video like always! Always love the 8-Bit Guy reviews on different electronics. :)
The rings are indeed for limiting the "clicky" sound of the keys.
Not really, unless you count bottoming out sound as clicky noise.
@@nathanlamaire To some people even the most brown of switches with the most linear of keycaps will make enough noise for them to want to dampen them.
They do, I purchased them to make a blue switch keyboard more quiet in a work environment in which I got a colleague that hated it's sound with a passion
@@fabiosemino2214, I doubt the rings had any effect on blue switches. The noise of blues comes from the construction of the switch, not from the key reaching end of travel which is the only thing the rings affect.
@@mina86 unless you're bottoming like crazy when loggin IT requests, indeed he still hated it because of the clicky activation point
Props for pronouncing ZX81 correctly. 👍
Stumbled across this randomly. I never knew this was a thing, but you video was so interesting I watched til the end. When I think of retro things I like most jump to NES/SNES/Sega etc, the obvious ones. But it is good to know the community extends to cool things like this :3. If I had more space/money this would be a cool hobby O:
I love your videos! I miss my commodore days. So many good memories. It's dang near impossible to find one around here at a reasonable price, but the search continues.... :)
i love this channel
idk how but it always makes my mood go happier
maybe it's the intro or something
If you get a product for free in exchange for promoting it, it is technically a payed promotion, but there isn't anything wrong with that, it just means you should disclose it, which you did.
Nice informative 'payed promotion', great little project. I really like how they keep it simple, but did some very meaningfull additions for making the machine usable.
I agree. He was clear.
I think the word you’re looking for is “paid”
@@chuck5761 I think you were able to read what I wrote perfectly fine...
There is also a TH-cam disclosure requirement. He needs to check the "paid promotion" box.
Frequent 8-Bit Guy uploads! 2022 is looking up!
A day with a new 8-Bit Guy video is a good day 👍
10:17 I love how you can quickly see the font changing in BASIC, before it switches into the game.
lol I came to watch an old video and here you are, posting new stuff. Nice!
Love your work. Never stop.
Really nice board. Like the SD card slot very cool!
I freaking enjoy the smile on his face in the title
that built in game looked cool to me. that smooth scrolling is awesome
That new MiniPET is sweet. Love the vid. Thanks for continued updates on your game.
13:48 - Didn't your brother make a custom case for a different model several months ago?
Love these videos. Always like my fix of the 8bit guy
Paid promotion or not I think you made it clear of your relationship with them and FWIW that's cool. I think it's obvious why they would want to get you involved with their product and you gain some value from it as well. So all in all it's good. I'm no hobbyist nor am I really interested in buying that platform but I find it very cool to see the work you do with the hardware/keyboard and programming. Really enjoy that content and really enjoy the channel. Thanks so much for sharing, great stuff as always.
My Dad (Not a dad or a father to Me) used to have a old games machine that run off tapes. Those PET games are impressive.
I'm sorry, but that's oversharing a bit. We don't need to know your life story.
If you wanted to have custom labels for a keyboard, I have seen peel n stick sheets you can buy to design your own key labels and print. They fit over the keys nicely. I’ve been meaning to get a few for myself, since its so difficult to memorize all those shortcuts. Too bad I don’t have a color printer though.
Is there a better video circuit on this board than the mini?
Nice video, I like the idea of being able to work with this machine at a more reasonable price.
My first idea for an external keyboard for a MiniPET would have been using an CAT 5 Ethernet cable, but it's 11 cables short. A DB-19 connector would match exactly, but it's quite rare to source these days. Then I thought about using a DB-25 printer cable or a DVI Cable. It's more pins/cables than required, but it's easily sourceable nowadays.
Finally, I thought about HDMI cables. 19 pins. A perfect fit. And they even sell coiled Micro HDMI cables.
Well, food for thoughts.
the rings are in fact for noise reduction, they're O-rings and are used to improve the keyboard sound, it's an enthusiast thing.
13:30 as I understand it, in the TH-cam rules It does count as a paid promotion.
You understand it wrong.
Hey I've been trying to find the games I played in grade school back in the early 90's on the Apple IIe. I've been through many ROM sites and still can't find them. The bulk of the games I found were possibly made by MECC, if I recall correctly. A small company out of Minnesota.
There were games made to teach simple mechanics like levers, pulleys, and fulcrums. I think it was called Pizza2Go, and you solved the puzzles to unblock your route to delivering pizza. Usually to the likes of Dracula and the Mummy guy.
And there was another game where you had like 3 floors set up and you had to move your robot from the start near the top, to the goal usually near the bottom. There were elevators to go up and down from floor to floor. If I remember correctly it was a math game, and you used addition and subtraction to move your robot around. You could play with a friend or against the computer.
Lastly another game from I don't know what platform, but it had Atari like graphics. Lots of yellows and greys in use. In the game you play as a few criminals trying to break into a vault and make off with gold bars. To get to the vault you had to go through a maze and avoid the guards.
The o-rings for the key caps are primarily used to reduce the amount of distance needed to register a keystroke, in addition to sound reduction you noted. They’re good if intend to type quicker and gamers will use them (they come in different thicknesses) to register keystrokes quicker.
I just saw 10 YTP videos of The 8-Bit Guy and there's a new video, perfect timing haha
Always love to see the talk about what is being done with the memory. And that's even though I got pretty much no idea about how to do any of that ;)
In the 1970s the problem was sourcing a large enough ROM. 45 years later the problem is probably finding a small enough one
I amazed by the car that you put in every of your projects. But man, those lines between the printed labels for the key caps, they make me crazy.
I have four go to's. David, Clint, Matt and yes Charlie Brown, dear old Linus. I couldn't get by without the 8-Bit Guy.
Amazing! Just have to wait a year till it comes to my country!
Thank you, YT algorithm! The PET 2001 was the first microcomputer I got to play with, when a coworker of my dad lent his to us for a week or so. Talk about life-changing, as I approach retirement age after a life-long career in IT. One funny thing: that board isn't all that "mini"!
Ahh! I celebrate this old technology for coming into existence and all modern revitalization of it! So good!
Make a replica based on the original curvy PET which was demonstrated at CES or similar. There is a picture on Wikipedia. I have since learnt that case was a painted wooden mock up. The reason the case changed to flat sheet metal was that Jack Tramiel realised released that Commodores filing cabinet factory could produce those cheaply in house.
The reason I recall the picture of the curvy Pet was that as a schoolboy in 1977 I took an feature about it in a Sunday Newspaper to show the Head of Maths to show him how much more advanced it was than the schools Busicom 2017.
3:40 You guess correct. O-rings like that are typically intended for keycap sound dampening.
Good to see a new video
Hi David! Printing the case in one piece can be quite difficult as most printers are around 10x10 inch but, I've recently seen a video of a guy that has been printing a 1:1 front panel of a Boeing 737's autopilot and he made it in three pieces with sliders that where glued together and there was almost no sign of the connection! Unfortunately I can't find in my YT's history, but I guess you've got the point ;)
It's definitely more practical to print it in pieces, but not everyone might have the skill/tools to put them together in a nice way
@@jemert96 yeah, you're right (I know I'm not having a skill), but also - David has enough of friends/followers that someone could slice the model into pieces and add a necessary joint points :)
Are there any MOS Technologies, Kim 1 reproductions? Red 4 address, 2 Op code O-9, A-F LED Displays, the edge card I/O connections to 2 I/O chips, 1 K RAM, 1 MHZ 6502.
A short description of the Kim-1:
The KIM-1 hardware consists of a 6502 CPU, some memory
(just over 1Kb in a standard system), and two chips in
the 6502-family called the 6530 RIOT chips. These chips
provided support for input/output functions, some timer
features, and each had some ROM containing the KIM-1’s
monitor program.
The display comprised six 7-segment displays, and input
was via a hex keypad with some extra functions. A cas-
sette interface was available to save and load programs
to tape.
The KIM-1 could also drive a serial port (slowly) to
connect to a terminal (VDU and keyboard).
Memory expansion kits were available (adding 4Kb of RAM
meant a version of BASIC could be used). Another kit was
available to display 16 lines of 32 upper-case charac-
ters on a TV, and take input from a keyboard.
The main way to program it was with machine language op codes and data. To run the program, you entered the start address and pressed the Go button. Go start Executing the Op codes.
Nerdy is right. You are one of the most nerdy people I've ever seen on TH-cam.
Thanks for the content.
Keep up the good work.
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Great video David!
Couple takeaways here.
I take it shift and run/stop(on every Commodore I used, that would automatically type "LOAD" and press enter for you if you wanted to load the first file on tape) doesn't work on a PET? I've never used one.
I never realised this, I assumed "Tynemouth, USA", but the place this comes from is just an hour from here in a car.
On the PET that combination tries to load from disk drive by default. Assuming it is the later ROM with disk drive support. So if you want to load from cassette, then you need to type it manually.
Huh, guess it makes sense. Home computers default to home storage and office ones default to office storage. Or at least that's how tapes and disks were here.
The key rings prevent the key from bottoming out hard plastic to hard plastic. It also has the side-effect of reducing total travel time, which can improve typing speed a little bit, since you lift up slightly faster.
He ended up trying to use them as cock rings but they were too big.
how about using an old IDE ribbon cable as the keyboard cable? it is 1:1 pass through and the ATA-133 cables have those extra 40 pins to shield cross talk.
Hi! I just watched your video and saw that you were looking for someone who works with acrylic and lasers. I own a laser and have worked quite a bit with acrylic. I would be happy to work with you on a custom case for your MiniPET. I'm also a fellow retro computer geek, and really enjoy the videos you make. The intro music to your videos just makes me smile. :) Let me know if you want to talk lasers and custom cases, that would be a lot of fun!
Very good video! New MiniPet looks awesome.
A happy Wednesday is a upload by the 8 Bit Guy.
I think the off centre before was that it was set up for the original PET monitor. I've seen the same issue in a TH-cam video where the monitor was replaced with an amber one, and the first MiniPET installed in the casing.
Looking forward on the next episode of commoder history -series.
Love it, what a cool board! It's a shame they don't sell the D board with SMT components as a kit though. It's not like it is using BGA packages so assembly is certainly possibly for hobbyists. Time we hobbyists learned the new skills, perhaps? :)
I know I could just buy the thing assembled, remove all the components and then reassemble but that isn't the point or the pleasure in assembling a kit, surely :)
The MiniPET 40/80D includes the last remaining 'real' chips on the planet....till 2024+ apparently. Was a total nightmare getting the unobtainurm chips.. I've even got some PCB's with a missing chip. Again, they 'say' they will have more made in 2024.. but I'd expect a lot of the 'retro IC's' that go into products like this to simply be dropped out of production all together :(
Data on cassettes always hypes me up. Something so satisfying about it..
Interesting video and board. I wish the board had an option to move the DC Input and Composite output to the back though. Oh and I could easily design and print a case.
@2:50 - RE: "No keyboard cable"
You can grab a set of straight through cables (M-M, M-F, and F-F) pretty cheaply as they're a pretty common arduino component... -- and now that I think about it, I bet in a pinch you could have used a 40-conductor IDE cable (assuming both sides are oriented on the pins the exact same way).
There are keycap profiles which are flat and thus allow the keys to moved to any row. Specifically XDA and DSA style keycaps. Aliexpress has a bunch of XDA keycap sets for relatively low cost (compared to most custom keycap sets).
@3:00 You can get male-to-female adapters for that ribbon cable readily.
Yes, that counts as paid promotion in most countries :)
Not that it matters all that much if you ask me
Awesome stuff as always.
I think this will directly fit into a PET case, yes? Will the previous version of the board fit as well?
hi, I wanted to know if the video output is "luma"; what happens if you connect the rca to the "green" of rgb tv? .. what if you split the rca and connect to both the "green" and "c-sync"? Thanks .. beautiful your video games !!!
Geek Bits needs more frequent videos David.
I have not seen an SD card slot that big in a long time.
"if you try to use a different key on the wrong row the slant would be wrong" not with the keyboard i have. it reminds me of a laptop
Joel had a video a while back where someone was demonstrating a continuous print bed 3D printer. It turns all the prints at a 45 degree angle and the print head as well and it prints onto a conveyor belt. If I ever build a 3D printer that's the one I'd like to build.
A way to get rid of those black divider marks printed on your keyboard keys is to use Stained Glass Pattern Scissors for lead. That will remove 1/16 inch of material.
A keyboard with the wooden stand screams for the original PARC mouse replica 😉