Chrono Trigger - #8 - The End of Time
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♫ “Deciduous Biome” by Kunal Majmudar
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19:51 I 100% believe he hadn’t heard Rick Astley before, because of the reasons below, but they are very similar.
That similar sound is because Robo’s theme uses the 4 chord loop progression the Japanese call “royal road”, which more accurately translates as “the easy way”. It’s an EXTREMELY popular progression for Japanese pop music, especially in anime opening and closing themes.
NGGYU by Astley uses *basically* the same progression, it just changes a bass note under one of the chords (sort of; fellow music theory nerds could disagree). That said, the melody of Robo’s theme also has some close similarities to the opening keyboard part in NGGYU.
They may also be in the same key or close to it, which really helps the ear hear the similarity in the progression, but I can’t check to confirm rn.
Anyway, my bigger point here is that this all means it’s super easy to make an arrangement of certain popular anime themes, and then rickroll right in the middle and it sound like it’s supposed to be that way. 😂😂😂😂
This Spekkio fight changes as you level up your characters. I don't remember the thresholds, but each checkpoint jumps his difficulty. There's even one where you level up very little, and you fight a small frog!
If you get there before Crono is lvl 10 then you fight the frog
I used to think the toughest version was the big, blue, muscular demon. Then I encountered the pink Nu...
@@undevelopmentteam Do you know the level thresholds?
@@cherimiss7983 It's every 10 levels, up to 40. 1-9, 10-19, etc. Then from 40-98 it's the same. Level 99 is the final form.
@@cherimiss7983 I don't remember them well enough. I missed one on my last play. I was more focused on getting the frog one for the first time.
Fun fact regarding robo's theme sounding a lot like being rick rolled, the songs are actually using different chord progressions, robo's theme uses the IV-V-iii-vi progression (an EXTREMELY popular progression in japan), and Never Gonna Give You Up changed the first chord from IV to ii7.
For the less musically inclined, yet interested:
This means instead of using a happy version of the 4th chord to start things off, Rick Astley used the 2nd chord with a 7th note added to make it sound sad. This is still similar because the change is only one note off of the first progression used in robo's theme.
These are two similar sounding progressions but what REALLY does it for people is the placement of the chords in both songs follows nearly the exact same rhythm over the most comparable sections. So even though you have two songs using different chords, the rhythm is enough for our brains to overwrite this and other small differences and hear them as the same, while other songs using the same progressions sound more distinct.
Me:This story seems to be going way faster than I thought it would
Chrono Trigger immediately after: Walk around this room 3 times
For gameplay logics, it's really cool that they have a story element of why only three party members can be there during battle
For the characters tho, that's horrifying, to think that you're just stuck there...waiting for your friends to hopefully, maybe pick you at some point...
I mean, they wanted to they could play the ferryman game and leave people back in their own times. Or hell, even in other times so that they could do/learn things there. Time is on their side after all!
I'd like to imagine that, once Frog and Ayla are properly in the party, the three people left behind conspire to convince Lucca to make a second Gate Key.
in the ds version at least at the end of time at least there's a bar
It's exactly what Marle needs, I think. There are only two beings who are always here and can reliably give her attention. The healing spring will keep her healthy AND she will feel well-fed. It's not an Enertron. (You can tell who my least favorite PC is)
They're stuck there for seconds of horrible waiting!
Did you forget this is a time travel story?
Spekkio can be fought repeatedly, and his power increases as the party's increases. Each "version" of Spekkio gives different rewards (though I believe only once per version), usually including one or more stat-boosting Tabs, so he's great for powering up your team. He is, of course, a very tough fight (as Dan demonstrated), no matter what version you face.
1:40: This kind of thing is _well_ above Robo's pay grade. Assuming this is supposed to happen when you activate emergency power.
4:45: It's obviously a side effect of the real-time, turn-based, and positioning elements of this battle system crashing together into a mangled hulk, but it also contributes a lot to the cartoony (affectionate) tone of most battles.
9:30: DS translation note: The DS version says "Four or more beings _from different times,"_ which makes it feel a little less arbitrary. It's still arbitrary, to be clear, especially since there's not much diegetic reason for only one group to go out at a time. (If they need another Gate Key...well, they have the Key's inventor right here, and they're about one quest from getting her back to her lab.) But it's ultimately just a handwave to justify a party size of three, so whatever I guess.
12:40: So...Lucca throwing fire, Marle glowing and healing people, and Crono making gusts of wind with his sword _aren't_ magic?
21:05: The DS translation calls them the Mystics "Fiends," which makes more sense as a thing for the kingdom of Guardia to call them, but a bit less sense as a thing for the Mystics to call themselves.
0:50: Pay attention to the text box on the bottom. The Plasma Gun is the first of the nowhere near enough equipment that gives more than an increasing bonus to attack/defense. The Plasma Gun's special bonus is particularly relevant in this time period...
1:55: It's primitive by today's standards, but it's still impressive how the Chrono Trigger team found every way to stage a cinematic cutscene using the limited capabilities of their engine and hardware.
3:33: And sometimes it's goofy. But it's mostly impressive.
6:50: If robot repair is anything like brain surgery, talking is probably a good idea. Lets you know if you fried his positronic brain or whatever.
7:10: DS Translation note: "What do you want to do?" is almost identical to "What are you going to do?", from a semantic perspective, but one works a bit better for this kind of scene. Word choice is important!
9:40: How does "recently" work in a place and time where anyone is dumped when things go haywire?
12:10: Fun fact: If you show up to the End of Time without leveling Crono past level 9, you get another form that's almost impossible to see under normal conditions. The drops for each Spekkio form are awarded separately, so if you speedrun it here (or just knock Crono unconscious for most group battles), you can get one more magic capsule than otherwise.
13:20: This is the most early-Dragon-Ball moment in the entire game. It's so dumb. I love it.
19:40: Yeah, it's not a Kenji Yamamoto situation. (This is another Dragon Ball thing.)
24:20: Translation note: The other translation is something like "You think I'm gonna charge the going rate for a human?" Which makes it a bit clearer that the shopkeeper is charging you extra because you're a human (and/or because you just attacked him and his employer).
I think Lucca throwing fire without magic is supposed to be a science device... Sword shockwaves are "clearly" (pfft) just anime physics...
Uh, got nothing for what Marle glowing and causing people's wounds to rapidly regenerate would be other than magic though. Maybe "Game design convenience" =P
I'd say Marle glowing is just the power of friendship, but I think I heard somewhere that friendship is magic too.
@@Ahrpigi It's certainly young boys with a giant blunt object's power.
@@thaddeusgenhelm8979 The best excuse for Aura I could consider is that it's her Aura, from her being a tomboy fighter type, but that makes less sense when considering she is the only one that has it, it only manifests as healing, it isn't related to her element so it shouldn't be innate by the rules defined in this episode, and and fighting auras typically aren't seen as something that you can just cast out willy nilly to heal others.
The only other excuses I could give is it being either some kind of blood trait that we have no other evidence for, or it's a residual power granted to her by her pendant that clearly has some kind of power in it if it can mess with space and time -and other things.-
With Lucca, the DS translation really helps, since you can very clearly tell which of her techs are capital 'M' Magic and which ones are just devices she invented.
For Magic she has Fire, Fire 2, and Flare.
For "techs" she has Flamethrower, Napalm, and Megaton Bomb
The animations for the magic attacks are gorgeous! I also just realized, this game does attack animations for 4 directions, instead of just the one that the Final Fantasy games had!
Well, three directions, since right & left are just flipped, but yeah, still an impressive amount of detail especially for the era.
The animations on these robots are fantastic.
I like how the mystics they first encounter go: "still angry? You know the war was 400 YEARS AGO, don't you?" Chrono's neighbours could not stop talking about the war 400 YEARS AGO. An old lady was complaining about how hard life was due to the war they had 400 YEARS AGO. Let it go, ma'am.
Ahh, the good old days when JRPGs didn't have you run around in circles... but squares.
There's a pretty great piano medley on TH-cam (don't have the link right on hand)that merges Robo's theme and Rick Astley.
I wonder how many of those guys' ancestors Chrono and his friends defeated during Queen Leene's rescue...
Should someone warn Dan about getting cat food while he's still early on?
The entire playthrough's pre-recorded to cover Dan and Carrie moving, so warnings aren't going to help much...
@@rmsgrey Good to know.
I can't believe Crono, Marle, and Robo all came out of the closet at the same time.
Good for them. I'm happy for all three of them.
Also cool that the Mystics were so accepting of that, even though they were quite annoyed that they chose their closet to come out of. You're supposed to use your own closets fools!
I hope Dan remembered to actually equip all of the gear he just bought.
I'm glad the similarity with the rickroll has been addressed, this was bugging me
A further tip for new players: you can equip gear from the shop menu. That lets you buy something, equip it, and then sell the old thing, all without leaving the shop menu. I played through this game several times before I discovered this.
I wonder if Dan will discover it before this playthrough ends? Maybe he'll get curious about why there is a down arrow on the shop menu...
Still love this game. Still not tired of watching this every day. 😁
2 Things you don`t think about when you`re a little baby playing video games on a CRT while sitting cross-legged on the floor:
MAYBE SPOILERS FOR THE SECOND ONE
Is Robo sentient? He decided he wants to join Chrono after being told the party will try to "save the world". Why would a machine forgo self preservation for such a subjective goal?
"All lost travelers in time wind up here!"
First of all, that's a lie. Blue-haired character doesn't end up here.
Secondly, WHO THE HELL ELSE IS TRAVELING THROUGH TIME?!?!?!?!?!
Based on his behavioral patterns, Robo is definitely sentient. Especially given things that happen laaaater.
To be honest, I'd really assume that, to a young kid playing a videogame, the reason you don't think about whether or not Robo is sentient is because it's *obvious* to you that the robot that joins your party is a sentient one, even if consider that non-sentient ones exist. It's just how stories and media tend to go, and there's no reason for you to second guess that yet =P
"All lost travelers in time wind up here. At least, I assume that's why I'm here."
A tip for new players: Sell your old gear! With the exception of a few late-game items that have unique properties, there isn't any reason to hang on to weaker weapons and armor. Sell it all. Do that and there shouldn't be any need to ever grind for money. (But if you do need to grind for money, the best way can be found in the distant past.)
That being said, I do actually hang onto one weak helmet and suit of armor to facilitate swapping good gear onto active party members. You can't just take things off of characters without swapping something else in, so having an extra helm and suit of armor lets you move your good stuff to the characters you're currently using.
The method of grinding for money (spoilers):
In the distant past there is a hunting range where you can fight weak monsters for petals, fangs, feathers, and horns. These can be traded for some quite good gear at the Ioka Village. Stock up on trading items, trade for equipment, sell the equipment. Rinse and repeat.
4:43 For some reason, this just sounds like FF battle music to me
9:57 A part of me wants to see a fan edit where the TARDIS shows up and just breaks the whole thing, now.
Mmmm, Lavos... Such a fantastic antagonist.
That reminds me, I still need to make a Lavos warlock patron for DnD...
Ooo, that sounds neat. Mind sharing it with me when you’re done
I legit hadn't ever put together the similarities between Robo's Theme and Never Gonna Give You Up.
This is the best Spekkio voice EVER
The Rick Astley similarities were the first thing I noticed haha
Something about describing Rick Astley as "the rickroll guy' made me cackle. It was named after him but now he's named in relation to it. Poor guy.
Spoilers for those who haven't played the game.
On the note of the Chrono lore, and if there should have been sequels, the fact that there is a time gate going all the way back to before Lavos came to the planet is really interesting to me. All the other time gates are moments that have relevance to Schala, but that one gate is just before Lavos arrived. No personal relevance to Schala. Sure, you could say it was Schala and she made that gate to show where Lavos came from, but that's weak and incomplete because of all the other gates. Because something interesting is that gate is the most important one because that gate leads to the gate to Schala.
The reason I bring this up is because there is SOMETHING there. Some story to tell. But, instead, we got a non-sequel in Chrono Cross. So, yes. They should have made a sequel. And, heck. Even now, they should remake the original to tell the same story, but with updated, fun mechanics and see where it can go. It would still be great.
buuut, then again this is current day SquareEnix, so the game would be turned into an overblown, point blank fireworks display in a dark room so probably better they don't touch it.
Chrono Cross is one of those games that suffers from being partly a sequel, partly it's own thing. It would have been stronger if it had better ties to Trigger, or none at all.
I really liked Chrono Cross. :(
@@callowguru2611 me too, it's a beautiful game with an even more gorgeous soundtrack I still listen to today. I played it in 10th grade and Leena was one of my first video game crushes. 😆 The battle system is mostly passable, but there's no denying the plot, pacing, and knowing where to go are a total mess.
hahahahah that "Hey."
Dunno what I expected to happen when you touch the bucket, but it wasn't that!
remember to equip your new... equipment
I can't be the only one annoyed that Dan didn't equip the stuff he just bought?
An episode or two ago, Dan noticed he wasn't earning tech pts anymore. That was because he hadn't yet learned magic. You get your first magic spells as a story event (as seen in this episode) and the game doesn't let you continue in your tech progression until you do.
If it does sound similar to never want to give you up never never want to let you down cool very cool
Why can't 3 go and then 1 or 2 and 2 or 1 and 3 through the same gate?
Only have one gate key
@@wavesofbabies You don't need one for those pillars of light.
First off, I don't think that's true. The effects of the Gate Key are pretty vague, but Lucca makes it sound like there are potential consequences to using Gates without stabilizing them, and there's no indication that the pillar-gates are more stable. And considering that this game asks me to accept that anatomically modern humans lived 65 million years ago, that lasers are functionally equivalent to dark magic, and that a continents-spanning kingdom is composed of three villages and some woods, the Gate Key thing seems pretty trivial.
But it doesn't explain why they can't do the corn/chicken/fox shuffle with their one Gate Key. Or, for that matter, why Lucca can't make a second one. (Though trying to coordinate their two teams when they're in different times would be a rather extreme logistical challenge...)
I guess that's the only song that survives in the future as Robo's theme.
We memed it into immortality.
Place your bets:
- Do we get the special ending for going into the bucket waaaaaaaaaaaaaay before we're ready?
- Who will get left behind the most??
- Will Dan equip the weapons & armor he just bought???
Tune in to find out
About levelling : all characters share XP. There is no need to switch party members to keep them on level.
However, only characters in the active party would gain tech points, so you have to switch them around. Furthermore, to unlock combo techs, you'll need to have both characters in the party, with the prerequisite techs for at least one combat.
That's only 75% true. Characters outside your party gain 25% less XP than ones in your party.
@@timothymclean Oh, there is an xp penalty ?
@@professeurgideere5856 Yeah. I kinda forgot about it too...
you can eat the cake slice in the closet-residence for a free full heal btw
"For a slight improvement"
It was nearly double the attack XD
Robo's duty was to eliminate all intruders.
He knew the rules, and so do I.
Robo’s laser attacks are shadow. Also don’t forget to equip all your cool gear like Marie’s bow!
I can't believe Robo rickrolled me.
Please equip your new stuff! XD It's stressing me out! hahahaha
Wait... "People that lived long ago ALL enjoyed such powers" ?
(Spoilers)
We know it wasn't the case during the time of magic, since the terrestrials had no magic. Does that mean... he's not considering them as people ?
It was a popular attitude at the time.
He also said that eventually only wizards were allowed to cast magic, so I imagine it's related to that.
@@KyteM I'm not sure. The "ban" on magic is a consequence of the Age of Magic's hubris from what I understood.
Use the shelters at the save points they kind of just take up space otherwise.
I always save and move past the save points. If I need the healing/MP, I'll go back to the save point right after realizing that.
(This advice is most applicable to pre-boss-fight save points.)
X- yay!🎉 - B - Y 😁
Damn, I remember the R-series being WAY more frightening.
same, seriously. and i've replayed the game much more recently than dan has.
i remember being seriously pushed on it as a kid.
Yeah, as soon as I saw the six blue robots I was like "Oh... Oh no... The worst part of the game."
Heck yeah, prize time.
It was the best of times, it was the end of times
So if Robo is named that because he's a robot, does that mean that Crono is TIME ITSELF?!
Anyone taking bets on how long it takes Dan to remember that he has to equip the weapons he just got from Melchior?
Equip your gear.
No.
@@PlayFramePlus Please?
...Maybe.
Equip _something_ before the next episode There are children in the audience, you know!
Imagine if every time you went into a store you had to beat the manager up before they'd sell you anything.
Love these videos so much!
hopefully he remembers to equip the stuff he bought from melchior's
Worst part of being out of mobile data is I can't watch PlayFrame on my lunch break. 😋
There is a secret ending if you speedrun the game that ends up reusing this space.
Don't forget to equip the new gear if you're not far ahead IRL than where this video is.
from what i understand the entire series has already been pre-recorded
Please, please equip your items!
Remember, this whole playthrough was recorded weeks, if not months, ago.
@@d3v1lsummoner Yes, of course. It's more like a prayer to the Grid than it is an actual conversation. :)