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- Venus is a spacecraft killer and always has been. Because of its hellish conditions, NASA JPL engineers are designing a new type of rover that could finally explore our mysterious neighbor.
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These wind-powered mechanical creations can walk, store energy, and even react to their environment. These creatures are awesome and amazing in the way they operate, and that it's all through a mechanical system that you can see and observe...
If it was up to this NASA JPL engineer, these self-propelled creatures would be exploring one of the most mysterious planets in our solar system... Venus is the exoplanet in our own backyard.
The really important reason for going to Venus is to complete our picture of terrestrial planets with atmospheres in our own solar system so that we know which planets in other star systems could potentially harbor life.
We just need to find a way to survive Venus’ unforgiving environment, where lead melts and most electronics are destroyed before even touching the ground.
#venus #venusrover #seeker #focalpoint
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The Steampunk Rover Concept That Could Help Explore Venus
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“50 years after the first spacecraft touched down on our super hot neighbor (and promptly died), NASA has a plan for a tougher mechanical lander.”
NASA Selects 2 Missions to Study ‘Lost Habitable’ World of Venus
www.nasa.gov/press-release/na...
“NASA has selected two new missions to Venus, Earth’s nearest planetary neighbor. Part of NASA’s Discovery Program, the missions aim to understand how Venus became an inferno-like world when it has so many other characteristics similar to ours - and may have been the first habitable world in the solar system, complete with an ocean and Earth-like climate.”
NASA to Explore Divergent Fate of Earth’s Mysterious Twin with Goddard’s DAVINCI+
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“The science impact of DAVINCI+ will reach even beyond the solar system to Venus-like planets orbiting other stars (exoplanets), which are expected to be common and will represent important targets for NASA’s upcoming James Webb Space Telescope. But these planets may be difficult to interpret, especially if they are enveloped in thick Venus-like clouds.”
NASA's Venus Rover Challenge Winners Announced
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“But how would such a machine navigate the terrain without advanced electronic sensors? That was the question behind NASA's "Exploring Hell: Avoiding Obstacles on a Clockwork Rover" challenge.”
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Do you think HAR-V can survive on Venus? Let us know in the comments.
Nope
@@stevieg6616 it wil get stuck immediatley upon leaving the lander if it even makes it out. but we wont know until we try
It will survive, thanks to love
I think gear driven is earlier than steam. I'll take 2 hours 1 second to get the first square in this betting pool.
How to ensure it will not be blown over by the strong forces from the wind + thick atmosphere and also the uneven terrain combined? Would the information be able to make it through the clouds so it can be sent back to Earth?
This dude's enthusiasm is so contagious
you can tell he has a big brain, not just by listening to him!
@@cibaca1 hey, no hate on 5heads. My head is the average size for someone that is over 2m tall but im 1m70 x).
@@0sba mine too, bro you wouldnt believe
I'm enthusiastic to see the final design.
I was thinking while watching, how is like to pick his brain a while. What cool things he's thinking in there?!
If Leonardo Da Vinci were still alive today; I imagine he would be very impressed by these designs!
Not really he was ahead of time he would be mildly disappointed that his ideas where revoked changed n stolen!
I also think you underestimate Da Vinci
👍
@@knrz2562 1
He'd be impressed we know his name and that we broke his marble
Looks like Kerbal Space Program is going to get a steam punk expansion.
Nah it won't, ksp reached the end of development and developers are focusing on KSP 2 instead
@@linecraftman3907 KSP 2 steampunk part expansion
@@air_ Thank You!!😉.. some folks are not able to see the forest through the trees!🤔.....☺️
@@air_ it will probably be a reskin
I was very fortunate to be a part of the design challenge from this rover. The team at JPL was wonderful to work with and I hope NASA will open up design opportunities like this to the public more often!
So cool!
I wasn't aware it happened but anyway.. I will still make my own designs because there is no harm in doing so.
@@mwanikimwaniki6801 check out HeroX, they do crowdsourcing projects. That's where the challenge from the video was hosted.
@@austinfox4130 absolutely wonderful. Lemme check it out.
Yeah same, we actually are working on the sensor, which team were you ?
Ah so when the Dutch aren't at war with the ocean, they are building beach beasts
Wait till they make giant water bugs and dragon kites.
Yes! We do this to taunt the ocean, we make them very fragile looking to trigger waves
I somewhat understood u, I believe. Was that a historical reference?
Bruh... 😂
@@Baukevandijk My Gawd, the stories are true!
Now this is a title: "Mechatronics Engineer"
🤘
Mechatronics Exhibitionist is how i introduce myself to a talk circle lol
That's literally the name of one of the majors I'm pursuing
Chris Kyle
I have been sadly watching mechanical engineering seemingly fall to the wayside and this video makes me very happy. Looks like a gorgeous watch mechanism and I love that.
Chris Kyle
@@sayyamzahid7312 what does he have to do with anything?
What the expression, "life as we know it," means keeps changing. There was a time when we would never have thought life could be thriving around something with the pressures and temperatures of hydrothermal vents. To quote an often over used meme, "Life, uhh, finds a way."
We are alone in this universe because the universe was designed sterile by the holographic creators overlord. We are living in a simulated reality and it’s already been proven.
@@111Econ ur moms a simulated program
@@purplenurp5590 welcome to the TH-cam connects section. 😀
@@111Econ Really what scientific evidence do you have to substantiate this, please point me to the papers showing any evidence whatsoever for a stimulated universe that isn't baseless speculation or tinfoil hat woo woo.
This is too funny lol. I don’t even believe life has to have water either, but exploring is one of my favorite traits of humanity.
I’ve been following this project and Dr. Sauder for awhile now and even got the chance to investigate a mechanical obstacle avoidance sensor for undergraduate research. Nicest guy and super helpful! I really hope this project continues!
Very cool!
When I read the title I thought it was clickbait but then I started watching and was like, WTF, that's so cool🤧
Have some nasal spray 🤣
When an American says "We need a presence on the ground" it usually ends quite badly lol
🤣😂
Explain pls?
@@kotor1357 kaboom
@@kotor1357 google: every country america has invaded
American here. I think it usually ends badly when we say, "We need boots on the ground." A presence isn't so bad.
I think we should also have floating rovers that can periodically descend in altitude and take surface photos, and then be able to climb in altitude to cool down and maintain sustainability.
So basically a sky submarine
@@em4392 isn't that called a balloon
Kites, like the Chinese dragon types. Or maybe those high end kinetic bird ones that were coming out a few years back
This sounds a lot more effective honestly.
there was a concept to have flying manned research bases in the upper atmosphere
At least we already have a glimpse of what kind of scifi aesthetic that we will use on Venus
I look forward to seeing how it collects data and relays it back to the orbiter. Will it use smoke signals or semaphore?
As stated in the video, hardened electronics, not based on silicon but gallium instead. Problem is it will need to be custom built and probably will be orders of magnitude less dense than current CMOS technology.
I was thinking mirrors, but it’s just too gosh darn cloudy!😆
iirc it's semaphore. the idea is that the rover has some sort of disk that can be rotated to show or hide something that reflects radio waves. that way a satellite can beam radio waves and read the reflections from the rover in order to transfer data up to the satellite. I suppose there's also the possibility of making a high-temperature radio emitter for the rover though
The main idea fielded by the lead engineer on this project is an array of radar reflectors which can be oriented to display something similar to a basic QR code. Imagine a grid of squares where the reflectiveness can be " on or off" and an orbiting craft will bounce off a radar signal and "read" the QR code shown. The IO states of the array would be controlled by a combination of mechanical system and electronics to relay information.
@@austinfox4130 So basically, semaphore.
What about any liquids or "muddy" environments on the surface? I know most terrestrial surface materials won't melt or loose their viscosity but we don't know for sure from what I understand. For all we know there could be a unique type of rock that behaves like wet clay or mud when subjected to the surface pressures, temperatures, and atmosphere?
It could be a problem but even finding this type of rock would be a major discovery.
Venus surface temp is below 500 C. Rocks generally go soft beyond 600. With a "wind" turbine powered vehicle I would be more concerned with variations in unknown atmospheric speeds, for instance. Also I absolutely miss any details on data transmission in a "steampunk" design
Colombo Lagos
The only 'liquids' that could exist are magma, and molten metal from beneath the Venusian crust.
Life as we don't know it will be more abundant than life as we do know it.
It has to be that way.
Assumptions...
The crowd sourcing part put a smile on my face
At this point it's not about whether it works, it's all about creativity
Really hoping this becomes an actual Venus mission. If it does, I will try to make my own working prototype on my channel.
I always knew that clockwork was the way forward :)
"life as we don't know it" finally, what i've always wondered 😭
With an atmosphere that dense seems the problem would be staying in one place for a rover given that even winds of a few mi./hr. would have hurricane force.
I don’t think it does have much wind at all on the surface.
@@nathanlewis42 Yea, but like he said, even wind what we consider a breeze would have the force of a hurriance on venus.
@@foty8679 the surface of Venus is a lot more like being on the bottom of the ocean and the winds are like water currents and there are undersea robots that can handle them.
there are undersea robots that can handle the water currents on the ocean floor and that's what the winds on the surface of Venus would be like just at a much higher temperature. Deep underwater close to a volcanic vent would probably be very close to the conditions on the surface of Venus.
A 3mph wind on Venus (average windspeed on the ground) should have about the same force as a 22mph wind on Earth at sea level. I double-checked my math, but I could be totally wrong.
This is extremely cool...great job Seeker!
I've often thought that Venus is the way it is because it didn't/doesn't have a moon.
Likely to be a contributing factor.
In the 70s they fed us "its closer to sun so its too hot, mars too far so too cold" and as kids that made sense. But the Moon does a lot. Without one we might be lifeless.
Most definitely... Agreed
I've seen the theory that at least part of the reason Mars and Venus have the environments they do is that they don't have the active plate tectonics Earth does.
@@hollismccray3297 That is possibly a valid hypothesis.
Finally Venus gets the attention she deserves.
She???
@@zahirmurji venus is a goddess
IT*
@@zahirmurji you know where the name Venus comes from?
@@Milark Aphrodite
Since Venus is the brightest object in the sky after the Moon, and the Sun, it was given the name of the Roman goddess of beauty and love, the ancient Greek's named it Aphrodite. In ancient times, Venus was taught as being two different objects in the sky: The Mourning Star and The Evening Star.Sept 26, 2019
I thought earth was the first planet to be explored by a spacecraft
Uh... no? Technically, Earth has never been explored by spacecraft, because it has already been explored prior to them existing.
@@Toastmaster_5000 you can explore things that have already been explored. So technically and pragmatically, you're wrong.
@@diggymgee nope, he is responding to someone talking about the ‘first planet’ to be explored by spacecraft, which Earth could never be due to us needing to exist on the planet first (in which we explored) prior to reaching space - so you are technically and pragmatically wrong.
@@ScreamOG1 again. You can explore something thats already been explored. Is this bait? Am i being trolled? Where are the cameras.
@@diggymgee nope just dumb. Please go ahead and explain how earth can be the first planet explored by spacecraft. I mean.. you can't technically explore any planet from space, as you would be merely observing the planet from space, or you travel to the planet/country to learn about it (as defined in the Oxford Dictionary) which subsequently would be exploring the planet from the planet.
In such a thick atmosphere, flying is the best option.
Can it detect when it's driving into a puddle of molten lead, and turn?
I don’t think so. Just rocks and hills.
7:37 These stuffs always give me chills
Indeed.
Cool dude. Really hope this works out! Definitely want to see more of the surface of Venus.
Yeah, definitely one of the USSR's big science wins, along with everything manned up until the moon. The conditions on the surface of Venus really do make for some SERIOUS design challenges. If I were younger it would be fun to help with design.
Using wind power for drive is a pretty cool idea. Again, the Soviet's accomplishment many many years ago was really something, but we should certainly be able to surpass it greatly with today's design capabilities/materials, etc. Your walkers are way more creative than anything Star Wars came up with, and yours are real. I especially enjoyed the 'centipedes', both the lateral and longitudinal versions. Great stuff.
I wonder if you could use magnets like they are using in the new artificial heart that they are making that supposedly could last forever since the magnets make it so that all moving parts never touch. Super cool, hopefully they get it done!
One thing to keep in mind, many magnets will loose their magnetism if they get too hot, and 400+ degrees is deffinitly pushing the limits of what many magnets can handle
7:47 The beauty of the creative and analytical collective.
Agreed! Very cool part of the project.
I love the mechanical steam-punk rover!
Let's go!! I need a geodite as a friend.
A fully mechanical rover? As someone who loves steampunk and mechanical stuff, this makes me very happy
The CAGE code on the drawing is for California Institute of Technology which operates JPL.
Absolutely awesome!
Incredible showing how imigination and engineering can build some incredible machines.
As the machine is far more simple I hope it’s more affordable to manufacture so we can send 100s instead of one.
The thing that costs the most is sending it into space and then landing it on surface safely
Building it in comparison will be the easy part, landing is a whole nother League above that.
@@cuddlemuffin.9545 The Mars Rovers themselves have made up over half of the total costs of the missions so I'm not sure where you're getting your data... Sending it to mars costs around 100-250 million. The design and construction of the rocket is expensive but they're reusable up to 10 times so you can justify spending over 2 billion, not on a one time use rover... The 2020 rover was quoted at over 2.5 Billion and so was the Curiosity and the Mars Exploration Rover. It would just be so much smarter to make a more simple generation of rover that could be deployed across the whole planet for mapping and surveying.
@@TheAquaticMandolin It may be hard but it's not really expensive in comparison to the hardware and software on these Rovers...
@@ryanlundgren, I agree. While it's difficult to know how survivable the Simple Economy Venus Rover (SEVR) will ultimately be on the surface, it seems likely that landing in a fruitful site (for the purposes of exploration), will be a risky business. Thus many SEVRs would greatly increase the likelihood of a fruitful mission.
A huge Venus probe that could circumnavigate around 50 KM above the surface dropping SEVRs down to strategic parachute landings on the surface would be optimal. Such a flying Venus Probe Mothership, would also retransmit data from the SEVRs, and probably radio control them using Mothership special Artificial Intelligence (controlled from Earth).
He looks so nerdy lmao. Awesome rover
I was prepared for the worst. Those walking things look amazing. No Astronauts cosplaying with aviator goggles earns a like.
#Objection
Where is the video and electronics for broadcasting it?
at 5:16 also sending radio signals is ridiculassly simple and satellites in orbit can be used for relay
Special electronics are being developed for this purpose, not based on Silicon but made from a materials resistant to 450C and more.
It's quite challenging to make this work ;-)
@@12xenn45 Except that it already has. Turns out that the atmosphere of Venus is quite transparent to radio waves. We have already received telemetry from the surface of Venus.
duckduckgo.com/?q=surface+of+venus&iax=images&ia=images
Note that SOME of those images are just artist's conceptions, and some of them radar images, but some are actual optical photos from the surface.
3:39 "there's some questions that you just can't answer when you're farther away,"
cameraman: "yes"
Well, I've never been to Venus myself but.... I'm thinking the rover shown is not All Terrain Capable enough.... Is the surface of Venus as flat as a drag strip?
I was thinking the same thing. Presumably the model shown in this video is just for narrow demonstration purposes and the actual device will have better clearance or have legs or a tractor that doesn't depend on wheeled ground clearance.
we dont have enough data to know that(?)
but i assume the pressure would have flattened the land over the years
Venus is relatively flat compared with the Earth, but not as flat as a drag strip.
this is purely a testbed for the mechanical obstacle avoidance system. Once they have it all rounded out they can build a proper chassis around it
Imagine if Venus was previous Earth which humanity civilization polluted and eventually abandoned
Or it got too close to the sun somehow and we had to evacuate.
@@koraptd6085 The distance to the sun has almost nothing to do with the temperature of planets its mostly the atmosphere. I found studies where they stated the temperature of venus would be like 32°C (earth is around 14°C)
"Venus, planet of love
was destroyed by global warming
did its people want too much too?
did its people want too much"
It's slung as low as a top fuel dragster. Wouldn't it keep bottoming out? I am puzzled!
Is it too late to submit a mechanical concept for "Bump, reverse, TURN and then go?' TOYs from the 50's figured this problem out long before circuit boards. It would be far simpler, more robust with less moving parts and would be more versatile than just bump, reverse, drive forward, i dont see how that gets you anywhere other than bumping into the same wall for 127days
Very ingenuitive
There's works of art just amazing
But you still need electronics to transmit data. Also I'm sure you could build circuits from materials with higher melting points.
They said they have those.
@@mwanikimwaniki6801 Cool, so we don't need this egghead's ridiculous rube-goldberg machines at all.
@Frank Cookie you highlighted the problem. To do real telemetry and long range transmission in an atmosphere far denser than our own you need real processing power for sensors, ASICS, and transceivers. This video is a hallmark movie about a kid's rubes Goldberg machine. I'm not saying it CANT maybe have some implications and applications, but just getting wheels going is building a rover like a soapbox derby car is a fighter jet.
To activate a youth filled with hope for a future as a Planetarian we can create these in schools, do contests, field trips, outdoor learning, ... have a contest amongst all high schools to create their Mascot with this style and give awards and use for school dances... rewire like this and activate Venus amongst the landscape through the “Venus magic of teenage love”... Theough Mascot love of school or location or vortex and then through love of Planetary reverence to Venus!!! Thank you for the genius you are... the cosmos thanks you... and I thank you for allowing this transmission. Hugs! 💌📬📫
first time seeing the new logo, instantly noticed that the upper half is just a recolored Valve Index logo, might want to look into that...
Nothing is indestructible but love.
This makes me so incredibly happy
“The reason to going to Venus is to complete our picture of planets with atmospheres in our solar system”
Pluto: am I a joke to you?
Pluto far
Venus close
BLOS HF radio would work amazingly on venus lol
Use a vertical wind turbine
Okay but Venus is NOT often called "EaRtH's eViL tWiN"
It is now. By me.
It is, because it is on collision course with Earth. Happened before and changed earth's rotation, twice.
Or the "exoplanet in our backyard"
It's by definition not an exoplanet
@Azur i Yup.
What an awesome idea!
It really is!
We could make something like tiny spheres that will contain all the needed parts compactly packed in em. Spherical shape could easily distribute the pressure and their one of the most hardy shapes out there. As we made them small they can withstand high pressures and gravity. And spheres could bounce and move around like tumble weeds in the high winds of venus....
Instead of havin a controlled movement, let the winds drive the many study spheres that we put in and atleast some of them would take enough reading....
Very cool!
If paper combusts when exposed to 435c heat - is it *really* "spontaneous"??
I love how he says "we know *quite* a bit about earth"
That thing on the beach looks like Jim Henson having a Hieronymous Bosch nightmare, ingenious work though!
"Underexplored sibling, but that's about to change"
whatcha got there Earth kun? OwO
Earth chan gang's
485 degrees celsius vaccination is about to get another breakthru earth infection.
Fascinating
I forgot all about StrandBeests. Its like a rare thing that's as creepy as it is awesome. And their pretty awesome.
This is amazing.
Hot enough for paper to spontaneously combust…. Woooooooaaah
it can not, because there is no oxygen on Venus
Venus pressure goes crunch
Humanity should put much more effort into exploring space.
Maybe but we should also spend time and resources on things down here first. But yes I am 'for' investing in STEAM/ Space.
We are able to do both, we can chew gum and walk
@@Clan_AlbertheGrey Progress in Space increases our progress on Earth exponentially.
Yes please. Let’s focus on medicine and space.
Amazing.
This is awesome!
By the way, the engineer reminds me of Vitalik Buterin a lot.
Brilliant
Nice idea hope it works
I really like this Jonathan guy's way of speaking.
Well that’s unfortunate
Very interesting idea
I wish you guys got Theo Jansen for an interview on this
Venus Has a slow retrograde rotation and a very high atmosphere pressure at ground level. Imagine if it slowed or even became tidally locked to the sun for long intermittent periods One side of the planet would cool. Is it possible that pressure and coldness could crack the atmosphere and separate it into it's chemical and solid parts. If it did, would this account for how the earth obtained it's laminated crust with oil and coal etc.?
It would create crazy strong winds. long term interesting question
The big caveat is that the thick atmosphere reduces the temperature difference to negligible levels at the surface. However, such an idea could work in the upper atmosphere.
Very cool
Wow 🥂 you are sooooo ON THE correct path **** searching for life as we DON'T KNOW IT 💥⚡🌟💫✨ TOTALLY COOL 😎
The bar is set so low! "We can beat 1970s USSR! ... 50 years later!" lol
Nice video.
Wow!
I'm totally with people like this guy. We need to understand more about both Venus and Mars then just one or the other. And like Mars I think Venus also has a lot of information that we need to help us sustain life here on Earth.
They Must Design an Rover that Focus on its Cooling System mechanically rather than Moving around.
I strongly agree
Agreed, we need a rover that can service the heat and keep the internals cool enough so it can take pictures and send data to earth.
finally.... . . strand-based interplanetary travel, just as kojima intended
2:33 let's appreciate how clean this transition is
that is the coolest looking rover
So cool
I would suggest using a vertical wind-power-generator that can get power from wind in every direction.
Next stop, uncovering the secrets of... *Uranus?* 🤔😏
I love Venuth...
what about electro static discharge from the surface?
That's pretty cool. We have to go steampunk in order to have a chance to survive the nasty pressure cooker that Venus surface is.
an idea use an internal steam like engine to power a piston, then a simply clutch. there is plenty of heat. or even use a pressure differential system. a thermoelectric module could convert Venus heat to cold to cool hardware
Plenty of heat, no gradient.
One day venus will be a real set for mordor
Matt lowne talked about this in one of his videos a few years back