That’s what I’m saying 😂 how can he judge a truck that hasn’t even been released? They haven’t mentioned much other then specs and features interior and exterior but we’ll truly know when it’s put to the test. Remember the same thing happened with the Ram rebel TRX, all the rumors surfaced but a lot of those rumors Ram themselves confirmed and approved them to be true that it would have 500+ HP people were saying 525hp and others said 575hp and we got to see the truth but this truck is a total surprise and you can’t judge it and not only that Cummins engines naturally just tow more than these gas engines and that’s a fact. I’ve never seen these heavy machinery machines function with gas and I know some do I just haven’t seen but it just shows diesel engines are far more reliable, powerful and economical because I bet you my truck a power wagon can’t get the same mpg as a rebel Cummins in a towing test and that’s facts the 6.7 inline 6 Cummins engine is just too good at doing what it does that’s why it’s the most popular because of its performance and fuel economy.
I put in my own comment, but I'll mention it here to pony off your true statement. The Cummins doesn't come with the winch, the 6.4L does, so the image used in the first 10 seconds of the video is the 6.4L that can tow 16,870. The engine on the Cummins is heavier, thus the lower tow rating. Simply the difference of the engine weight.
@@TheReligiousLeft1400lbs is expecting the vehicle to be under max towing capacity. But you can keep coping, Ford recently had to drop theirs, hopefully the new Ram smoking the tremor up the tfl toaster doesn't keep you up at night.
@@BloodAlwaysFindsItsLevelthat is not correct… max towing and GVWR are related but not necessarily in sync. Say he hauls a 9K toy hauler and after adding stuff he’s at 10,000 pounds. It’s reasonable to suspect a 10% tongue weight so that’s 1000 of the 1400 pounds of payload. Factor in people and luggage and it’s easy to go over.
Yeah, I noticed that right away too. I actually had to read the spec sheet 3 or 4 times because I thought that I was not understanding what it said. You’re right, Ford did not make that mistake with the Tremor, but the bigger payload and towing capacity is why it can’t compete with the Power Wagon. This is comparing apples and oranges. You can have a truck that’s awesome off-road and has limited towing, or you can have truck that can tow heavy loads that will be at best a mediocre off road. Like you said, it all depends your own needs for a truck. It seems that the Rebel will not be all that great in either scenario.
I guess that's kind of my point this truck like you mentioned isn't the master of anything. I would of much rather they focused on maintaining towing and payload while adding a more advanced off-road package with the locker and better tires but not done anything to the suspension other then off-road shocks. yes the ride will be horrible off-road but realistically most people are not taking this truck on serious off-road journeys and I feel more people would use the towing capacity anyways. either way it will still be a cool truck just not what I was expecting.
I’m actually glad to hear this as I was under the assumption the Rebel had the same spring rating as a regular 2500.. If the payload is reduced that much then it would mean the spring rating is dramatically reduced giving it a much better ride!.. As far as the payload/towing goes, this is nothing a set of airbags won’t fix as the powertrain is the same as the higher rated models!. Funny how so many people get all hung up on that little sticker… Maybe it places like Commiefornia you might have to worry about it, but the majority of us have zero worries over a sticker…
air bags will fix a lot of things! powertrain is rated for a lot of weight you are correct lol but I mean you get in a accident overloaded and hurt someone you can kiss your insurance goodbye and probably get sued into the stone age knowing how the legal system works these days. yes California sucks (so does Canada) when it comes to this stuff but legally that little door sticker is all that matters. my point is why didn't ram just up the GVRW for the Cummins option like ford did with the tremors.
@@GettysGarage I do know in a lot of states you can get the max weight adjusted on the door for your specific truck if you add stuff to tow more. Say you throw in bags and frame reinforcement take it to dot and they put a new sticker with a new GVWR
@@jasonschell6036 I know when I was in north Carolina I went to the DMV told them I needed it reevaluated and they sent me somewhere. It was a shop. It's been a long time. But we use to take our 4500s and beef them up at work and we would get them re-rated so we could tow heavier legally and so insurance wouldnt just flat deny the claim. Probably would have to Google it because it could be different state by state. I'd say ask your DMV but we all know most of them don't know anything
I need you to somehow get a hold of one and beat the crap out of it as you did with all your vids TYVM again for all your vids Please stay safe and healthy
Very good information, thank you for the breakdown. I was leaning towards the gas version anyway. All that aside, I'm loving the new backdrop. Very beautiful countryside!
It's my understanding that for folks who want greater towing/payload capabilities in the Rebel 2500, you'll need beefed up shocks and heavier coil springs, like the Carli system offers, don't know why Ram didn't address this off the jump along with the Hellcat oil pump for their hemi version of the Rebel.
I honestly don't know the suspension set up they used but even if you beefed it up legally the only thing that matters is the door sticker. They should of increased the gvw like ford did with their diesel tremors
Ram didn't bump the GVWR up on either the Rebel or the Power Wagon even though they have the same components as some of the other trims. They did this because certain states increase registration fees for the higher GVWR
Ya my 22 2500 Cummins has a door jam sticker payload of 2257 and I feel like thats low no way id buy the Rebel Equipped like that atleast the 1500 Rebel can compete with that at like 11,000lbs ya im out looks pretty but no thanks ill keep my Custom Big Horn setup
that's where I would of expected the rebel to land is right around 2,200lbs of payload which is just fine for towing 17,000 or more lol but nope it's WAY too low in my opinion
Reminds me of my 2014 Ram 2500 5.7 Hemi powered tow pig pisser. Because 2014 was the first year of the rear coil spring suspension they acted very conservative and derated the GVWR to 9000 lbs. Next year's 2015 models would suddenly get a GVWR of 10k with no physical changes going forward.
Its not a mistake, ford is the one who had to recently lower their towing capacitg. Also the ford tremor failed the TFL toaster while towing, and the new heavier unproven SST Ram not only did better they didn't have to turn the AC off. The newer Rams towing capacity is often re-calibrated based on breaking ability and handling. Not necessarily always on the pulling power. The 2500 Cummins is not the same engine as the 1 tons. They must put themselves in a safe zone. Just for the record countless people overtow their Rams, and Ram knows this. So they need to set guidelines accordingly for self preservation. Also the 6.4 hemi might just be the greatest naturally aspirated engine ever. The Ford 7.3 has far more catastrophic failures.
I seem to remember that in one or two of the videos (TFL?) that the Ram executive did mention, or corrected, the statement of the 17K towing was only available on the 6.4 Hemi. And one of those videos also showed and mentioned the Cummings payload and towing capacities.
Isn't Ram about to release the new I-6 gas Hurricane truck motor that is supposed to be better than the 6.4L V8? Doesn't the Ram 2500 have a 4 or 5 link rear suspension as opposed to the traditional leaf spring on the Ram 3500?
I mean yes that I-6 is coming down the line but I don't think it will be put into the HD line up. I don't think it will be able to handle the abusive life that a 2500 is supposed to be able to handle. and yes the 2500's come with 5 link suspension but a normal ram 2500 can have over 4,000lbs of payload.
Problem is the Cummins weights almost 900lbs more then the hemi. The GVW for a 2500 ram is 10,000 lbs either way. 2500 rams suck for payload/towing when you configure with a Cummins. If you want a Cummins go to the 3500 or it's a waste of $10,000 bucks as an option. Fords got a similar issue.
people were saying that the ford tremor with the diesel have higher gvwr's but I don't know forsure. and yes I agree but I just thought they would of tried to avoid the same issues as the power wagon. I'm sure ram knows what they are doing either way
The Ford has a max gooseneck towing number of 21,800 lbs (diesel). Their max payload is 4150 lbs. But, they're both on the F350 Tremor, and that 4150 is gas only. Still, numbers that make the Ram look stupid.
Yes it does, but it shocked me the gas engine would have a higher tow rating. my point was I think most people would assume that in order to get the max towing number you would need the diesel, but in this case it's not true which is odd.
I knew this was going to happen as soon as I heard it was going to have the same shocks as the Power Wagon. Power Wagon shocks with the heavier diesel motor can only equal worse payload and towing.
I mean yes and no. So yes they share the same shocks but not the same suspension. basically the power wagon has lighter duty springs then a ram 2500. I think the rebel will have more traditional suspension set up but we don't really know for sure!
you aren't wrong lol it does but my point is why would someone ever spend 12k to get a lower tow rating and less off-road ability. It kind of defeats the purpose of having a Cummins in my lovely opinion.
@@GettysGarage True but maybe they want something more off-road capable than a regular Ram but want to use it for some degree of towing or hauling with the legendary Cummins diesel. At the end of the day it’s far better than the 1500 Rebel, which is actually better for towing and payload than the Power Wagon despite being a smaller truck. It definitely COULD be improved, considering that the 1500 Rebel has the same towing and payload as every other 1500, but it’s definitely the way to go if you want a Rebel but plan on towing.
People want a pickup that can do "everything", and in the end, will do nothing well. A full size pickup is designed to tow/pull, not to be a fancy people hauler that hardly leaves pavement.
Why not just wait for the rebel Cummins release and put it to the test. Easy as that, we can’t judge a truck that isn’t even out yet, maybe theirs something we missed or they missed.
I agree with you. but I just thought the initial numbers were interesting. I thought the payload would be much more so I figured I'd talk about it and what this could potentially mean.
@@GettysGarage well I also agree with you on that one, Cummins usually does do bigger numbers. I can’t wait for the reveal to see if it’s a success ✅ or a no no 👎🏽
when we bought our 1500, we already knew all about towing capacity and payload capacity. we also knew that virtually all trucks run out of payload capacity long before reaching their towing capacity especially the well appointed four door models that are so common these days. the towing capacities are more realistic for barebones two door models that are much lighter. our ram 1500 weighs 6000lb empty and has a payload capacity of around 1400 lbs. those numbers are typical for ford and gm too for a well equipped 4 door truck in the 1/2 ton class
I mean idk what rhetoric we are discussing here other then real payload numbers and the official towing numbers released by RAM themselves. they may certainly change them but this truck is supposed to release in the four quarter of 2022 meaning these trucks are probably already rolling off the factory line. leaving little time for any changes
It’s disappointing that the benefits of the diesel can’t be fully realized with this setup but I’m sure there will be plenty of people that will willingly plop down $80k plus to get that Cummins.
My reading comprehension might be off, or just my understanding of the english language. When going through the specs of the rebel i dont see where they said the desiel can tow up to 17000. It says the hemi can, but the desiel can only tow up to 14000
As far as the tremor goes, they just threw a locker and winch on an f250. With the power wagon and now the rebel, ram has prioritized ride comfort from what I can see. I would still get a power wagon over all of it. It is the king of HD offroad trucks even with the poorer fuel economy.
@@GettysGarage I mean for the Rebel that would honestly make sense considering the 1500 rebel is a locker and duratracs. Still has great payload and towing for what it is. I feel like they really missed the mark on this one. Isn't the 6.4 rebel going to be more then a Powerwagon? That makes zero sense to me.
It's because the extra weight of the Cummins reduces the payload. I get what you're saying though. Somehow, I think it can actually do way better than the rated numbers. But that does seem to defeat the purpose. Although, the cummins has much greater fuel range than the gas. Which makes it an ideal overlander.
This is just a GUESS. I think the only difference between the suspensions for the 2 engine options are heavier springs for the cummins. The rebel is built for speed over terrain. Secondly what are the trans ratios. Rebels are know for acceleration. That may also play a role in payload and towing capacity reduction.
The reason this truck was made is because everyone keeps asking for it. Not because it makes sense. A tradesmen Cummins is what you buy to tow all the things. A much lighter 6.4 Hemi leaving more room for payload & tows just fine if one has too.. is better for off-roading. It’s a weird truck when the two are combined.
We know the RAM can carry heavy weights with suitable springs, I think you should be able to fit factory approved springs and receive a factory compliance plate upgrade
Ya it’s sad… the 3/4 ton Rams with a diesel make no sense to me. I think it’s the lack of leaf springs that the 1 ton has. They need a rebel with leaf springs/1 ton.
Also, my sticker says 2870lb. I know I'm gas as well, but I am just saying guys that the truck is awesome! Complements every stop along the road. 😊. Never towed but I am looking at a trailer with no concerns of towability.
Sad rebel, the whole point of a hd is payload. My 250 gas 7.3 has a payload of 2698, it tows 17k with a 4.30 rear end, 14k with 3.55. Tremor is similar with diesel since they increase gvwr for diesel. You can get a 350 tremor also.
A 2023 2500 tradesmen 4x4 6.7 cummins 68rfe and 3.73 towes damm near 20000 pounds its payload is lower than the 6.4 because the cummins weighs 1000 lbs more. The 6.4 with 4.10gears has a higher paylaod since it is lighter but less towing capability since it has half the cummins torque. The cummins weight and torque give it the advantage towing big time, while the 6.4 you can throw more cargo in the truck.
I don't need a big diesel with a ton of payload, I just want one lol. My 19" big horn w\tow package has a dismal payload of 1,664. I eventually want to get a lightweight, hard sided slide-in camper but they almost all put me over with just me sitting in the truck. Wonder how the new Chevy 1500 with the 3.0 Duramax would work out, I just won't touch a Ford after working on them.
haha trust me I'd LOVE a nice big 6.7 Cummins. And to be honest I think a lot of people are going to buy this truck just because it looks cool and comes with the Cummins. I think that will be the major selling factor!
I'm betting that those numbers are on the safe side so you can push the max towing amount a little bit. I'm only saying this because my grandpa has a 2004 super duty with a 6.0 power stroke (I'm pretty sure that's what it is) and he tows his car trailer that weighs easily 12-13,000 lbs. It tows it easily and he goes pretty far towing the trailer.
It could be that the 2500 rebel with the cummings is just supposed to be more an offroad truck and not so much a towing beast. You want more towing power to get a 2500 with the offroad package. You want a 4x4 with a cummings you get the 2500 rebel. The rebel still has enough pulling power to get a mid-size camper into the woods for a great getaway.
I don't think it's possible to have a Jeep Rubicon that can haul 4000 lbs or tow 20000 lbs. Yes you can get a Ram 2500 and upgrade suspension, add air bags, get a Cummins, front lockers, a winch, etc. It will end up weighing too much for practical off road use. If you want both, you're going to have to buy both and a trailer to haul the Jeep. Or buy a Unimog, but I hope you're not in a hurry to get where you're going.
personally I think they should of just stiffened the suspension and upped the gvwr like ford did with the tremor. realistically more people will get use from this truck towing and hauling then actually doing any serious off-roading.
Also when you see those commercials they always have in fine print at the end that say as setup and they always show the max setup air bags leveling system max tow package this might not be the same package but 3000# payload is a lot for a dually the Cummins along with all the extra garbage that is on the egr def system messes up the payload also.
Makes sense if they are using Power Wagon springs. You don't get big payload without stiffer springs and a back breaking ride. I *THINK* payloads are calculated with a 180lbs driver and full tank of fuel, but don't quote me on it. The HD rebel is not a work truck.
So they aren't using the power wagon springs. The power wagon suspension system will still be completely different. The rebel does not come with a 2 inch lift nor does it have Articulink front suspension. As far as I can tell the suspension will be very similar to the normal 2500. but yes it is not a work truck. I just thought this truck with the cummins would then what it's turning out to be.
@@GettysGarage That's weird then cause the cummins 2500 has around 2200lbs payload so why the low payload on the rebel? I had a 6.4L 2500 that had 2700lbs payload.
Idk hemi in the power Pagon is better then the commins. Why? It’s lighter abs better design for what it was meant to do. The rebal power wagon is because ppl wanted the Cummins. So specs for it and perform won’t be the hemi version
First off I really do like your videos but I am a little shocked that you’re this “shocked” at how this package and numbers come out. I always wanted a power wagon but never could bring myself to get one because the legal payload and towing capacity are so so low. You buy a 2500 series truck and a 1500 series can legally tow more. I can understand if you’re going to fully use the off-roading capabilities of the power wagon but 99% of people never will. I was excited to hear this package coming out because I can get a more off-road capable truck with real towing and payload numbers. Yes I know that is specific to the gasoline motor and that is what I’m wanting because the diesel options are way over priced and the emission systems are a nightmare. For the average consumer this package is amazing in my opinion. I still struggle to see how a diesel is a good option in a 2500 series truck anyways. To get max payload and towing with those you have to have a 2wd pickup anyways. If you look back the tow and payload ratings of some of the older diesels like the 3rd gen Cummins you might be surprised how low they were legally rated. Most people are towing illegal numbers and don’t realize it or just don’t care. Atleast now they can get their Cummins in a more off-road truck package from the factory. What ram really needs to do is offer the rebel package across their lineup so you could get a 3500 rebel and even a aisin transmission. But I guess we can all dream about that happening.
I guess why I'm shocked by this is because I thought the rebel was going to suffer some off road performance in comparison to the power wagon but in return the consumer would be able to get a Cummins, more payload and more towing all while still being a somewhat off-road capable truck. I see your point and completely agree that diesel are overpriced especially with the price of diesel atm. I guess I just thought ram was going to give this truck some stock stiff suspension with off-road shocks but also give it some off-road goodies like a locking difff and some nice all-terrain tires. I should also mention like the gas engine in this truck is clearly the best option so if you were always wanted a gas engine in the rebel I see no issue with that. I was more or less disappointed with he Cummins equipped rebel HD numbers because for years we heard people complain they wanted a Cummins equipped power wagon and so I was excited for the Cummins option but now it seems like kind of a waste. just my humble opinion though lol
well the reason why it all has do with suspension and obviously the frame limitations to weight, which make sense as you're putting a heavier engine into the same frame of any other 2500 series, well that's how at least i think, and sahring what i think is the reason behind it. IMO specially when you want that off road peformance with a softer suspenssion, weather we like it or not we have to trade suspension stiffness for more optimized travel and so on, at least they are doing a 2500 with a cummins that is off road worth it. I don't personally own any RAMS, I have a 2021 Toyota tacoma TRD OFF Road with LB, I had rent one before buying my tacoma and ever since felt in love with RAM trucks, if I did not had chosen to go with yota, but if there is any other brand that sometimes makes me want to trade my yota is a 3500 single with a cummins to build an off roader out of it. but anyways I always watch your content keep up the good work and sharing the knowledge out there and spreding. Be safe, God bless
Pretty terrible payload, but remember all of the Ram Cummins trucks have worse payload numbers than the gas versions because that Cummins engine is extremely heavy which takes payload to carry. Also the Cummins is going to be terrible off-road with all that extra weight on the front end. There is no point in this truck, it’s silly.
100% correct about the Cummins having less payload but on a normal 2500 with a Cummins you get like 2,300 lbs or something which is respectable. Just a tough look from ram lol
@@GettysGarage Agreed! My 1500 Rebel has better payload yet even it feels front heavy and poorly balanced on dirt. I cannot even imagine how bad this Cummins Rebel will be on rough roads. Hard pass from me, but I’m sure someone will buy it.
The issue is that you’re trying to expect high towing numbers with softer off-road suspension. And that’s never going to happen. I have a 2020 ram power wagon and was on a trip with a f250 tremor and I’ll tell you 100% that tremor road like dog shit off-road compared to the power wagon. It was 10x stiffer and you felt everything on the trails even aired down to 17psi. But that’s why the tremor can tow what it advertised, cause of the stiffer suspension.
Maybe now all the people asking for Cummins in the power wagon will finally understand that the payload and tow rating has nothing to do with the motor anymore, it’s suspension and tires mostly oh and overall weight of the truck lol. My power wagon has the same gas motor as my last 2500 outdoorsman but the tow rating on the outdoorsman was 16,000lb unlike the 10,000 for the power wagon.
It competes with ford. The f-350 tremor towing capacity is up to 15k with the 7.3l. So why are you complaining? It’s an off road truck. Not meant to tow a D8 dozer off road.
The power wagon is an off road truck. this is something of a mix. I guess my complaint is why bother putting in a Cummins at this point if it's just going to have a lower tow rating then the 6.4 gas. Does the diesel tremor have less tow rating then the 7.3? my guess would be no.
@@GettysGarage well instead of guessing maybe you should research it. Also, ram tried telling people that they can’t put the Cummins in the power wagon for more than one reason. If you research that you will find that they said that more than once as well.
The Cummins payload is lower then the 6.4 hemi because of the weight of the engine the gas burner has more payload usually double but the Cummins will tow 17000lbs and the regular Cummins tows 20000lbs this has the off-road suspension so it don’t tow as much
Ram has been trying to tell everyone that kept crying about not having a diesel option for the PW....it was not going to work. Suspension is too soft, and the Cummins is too heavy......
Dude they literally said when properly equipped. No one in their right mind would think it was a Cummins build for full capacity. As a rule you lose over 1000lb in payload and over 2000lb in towing.
" when properly equipped" could mean anything lol they say that for everything single tow rating on every single truck. they failed to mention that the 12,000 dollars diesel option is not going to give you any advantage over the stock gas engine. pretty import piece of info. I agree with you on the payload. but still 1,500lbs is a joke. the ford tremors with the diesels upped their GVWR in order to give consumers more payload number. would of been nice for ram to consider doing that. but you are wrong with the towing. a normal 2500 with the Cummins is rated for over 20,000lbs of towing where the gas 6.4 is rated for 17,000lbs. if the rebel had better payload the cummins would have a much higher tow rating then the 6.4 gas
@@GettysGarage On 2500 4x4 Crew Cab 6'4" bed models only the Tradesman is rated higher to tow with the Cumins than with the Hemi. In every other trim the Hemi can tow more. The Rebel was created for two buyers. 1: The person who likes the PW and wants to offload but needs to tow and haul more, so he'll get the Rebel with the 6.4L and be happy he now has a locker from the factory. 2: The person who thinks the PW looks cool, but has to have a diesel because otherwise no one will know he's a real man.
The RAM 2500 with a Cummins has never had the payload or towing capacities of the gasser. All models. It has everything to do with curb weight versus suspension capabilities.
It’s definitely a weird truck, not quite sure where it fits. Seems like there are much better options for every specific purpose (gas or diesel Tremor, Power Wagon, regular 2500 Cummins, etc).
You are so right 3/4 ton truck with Cummins will tow more than is leagl you have to live with in the ten thousand pounds u had a fifth wheel with 2200 pound hitch so towing will my 2016 2500 larimie I was Way over weight insurance companies can talk away if you get in an accident
I just got a rebel 2500 with the gas motor and I am obsessed with this thing. Gas mileage is 12 mpg but I don't even care! I love this truck! I will never get rid of this thing! Ford is garbage. I also got a 200k mile powertrain warranty from the dealer. Ford WAS the best! Not any more!
Ok how about this? I want a cummins and superior Ram interior, but cant get past the fact that there is no provision for a front axle torsen style limited slip, much less a locker, no winch on cummins equipped Rams, (except an expensive AEV option), and the lower payloads you mention. I’m being forced into a Tremor purchase, and they screwed up the aesthetics on the Ford. Damn!!!
Not surprising for a loaded 2500 Cummins. Ford has the same problem with the diesel. Only GM bumps their gvwr up to 11,000 lbs to get around this issue.
I mean I'm not expecting 4000lbs of payload but common 1,500? like your average ram 1500 has more payload then that. this truck was supposed to not have the same issues like the power wagon such as low payload. my buddy has a fully loaded ram 2500 cummins but his paylaod was like 2,230lbs which to me is just fine. I don't know why they couldn't bring that too the rebel
@@GettysGarage Unfortunately they run into the 9900lb gvwr rating that's common in this class. Mechanically it's capable, but not on paper. Most of these trucks will not be registered commercially, so the chance of a road side inspection and a fine is small..... wink wink. As of 2019 the personal use exemption was raised to 6500 Kg ( 14,300 lbs ) from 4500 Kg ( 9900 lbs ), and for whatever reason GM is the only manufacturer to take advantage of this on it's 2500 chassis. Your friend should probably look at his door sticker and not go by RAM's advertised numbers. It would make an interesting video to gather a bunch of these trucks and look at the door stickers.
And this is why if you actually NEED the Cummins, you get a 3500 not a 2500. The 2500 gives you more capability than a 1500 but a better ride than a 3500. So it's a compromise. I just don't understand why some of these guys are crying out for the Cummins to be put in the PW. Do they completely not understand the laws of physics? But then most guys who get the Cummins don't actually NEED it! They either just want that awesome Cummins diesel sound or they just don't think its a real truck unless it has a diesel. Guess next will be a 3500 Rebel.
it would be cool if they did a 3500 rebel lol but yes it does get a little tiring when people don't understand why a Cummins can't be in a power wagon. I just think ram missed the mark with the rebel. yes the cummins will be awesome but it makes no sense how its tow rating is lower. kind of bums me out a little.
I don't think it really matters. It performs like a beast off-road, once you put a 3.5" lift and 40s. Even with a giant heavy camper in the bed. th-cam.com/video/w4zwJ1fxMPs/w-d-xo.htmlsi=X8TnpZDjh8ppUfto
They never advertised the Cummins to be able to tow 17,000. All their advertisements stated it was when it was equipped with the Hemi
That’s what I’m saying 😂 how can he judge a truck that hasn’t even been released? They haven’t mentioned much other then specs and features interior and exterior but we’ll truly know when it’s put to the test. Remember the same thing happened with the Ram rebel TRX, all the rumors surfaced but a lot of those rumors Ram themselves confirmed and approved them to be true that it would have 500+ HP people were saying 525hp and others said 575hp and we got to see the truth but this truck is a total surprise and you can’t judge it and not only that Cummins engines naturally just tow more than these gas engines and that’s a fact. I’ve never seen these heavy machinery machines function with gas and I know some do I just haven’t seen but it just shows diesel engines are far more reliable, powerful and economical because I bet you my truck a power wagon can’t get the same mpg as a rebel Cummins in a towing test and that’s facts the 6.7 inline 6 Cummins engine is just too good at doing what it does that’s why it’s the most popular because of its performance and fuel economy.
I put in my own comment, but I'll mention it here to pony off your true statement. The Cummins doesn't come with the winch, the 6.4L does, so the image used in the first 10 seconds of the video is the 6.4L that can tow 16,870. The engine on the Cummins is heavier, thus the lower tow rating. Simply the difference of the engine weight.
@@philipg7982but it’s not the same with just a normal 2500 so why is it with the rebel trim
I tow a 9k Toy Hauler. My Rebel Cummins is perfect. What not to get ? Good Offroad, tows what I need. looks badass. Good fuel economy. Perfect.
You might be going over your payload.
@@TheReligiousLeft1400lbs is expecting the vehicle to be under max towing capacity. But you can keep coping, Ford recently had to drop theirs, hopefully the new Ram smoking the tremor up the tfl toaster doesn't keep you up at night.
@@BloodAlwaysFindsItsLevelthat is not correct… max towing and GVWR are related but not necessarily in sync.
Say he hauls a 9K toy hauler and after adding stuff he’s at 10,000 pounds. It’s reasonable to suspect a 10% tongue weight so that’s 1000 of the 1400 pounds of payload. Factor in people and luggage and it’s easy to go over.
Mind Blown twice. Watched a lot of videos on this truck and this is the first I have seen this! Great Catch Dude!
Thank you sir! just weird why Ram would do that.
@@GettysGarage Maybe banking on people being distracted by shinny Cummins badge lol
or the payload number on that sticker is for the 1500 rebel??
Always pay attention to the ‘when properly equipped’ disclaimer
that's where they get ya lol
Yeah, I noticed that right away too. I actually had to read the spec sheet 3 or 4 times because I thought that I was not understanding what it said. You’re right, Ford did not make that mistake with the Tremor, but the bigger payload and towing capacity is why it can’t compete with the Power Wagon. This is comparing apples and oranges. You can have a truck that’s awesome off-road and has limited towing, or you can have truck that can tow heavy loads that will be at best a mediocre off road. Like you said, it all depends your own needs for a truck. It seems that the Rebel will not be all that great in either scenario.
I guess that's kind of my point this truck like you mentioned isn't the master of anything. I would of much rather they focused on maintaining towing and payload while adding a more advanced off-road package with the locker and better tires but not done anything to the suspension other then off-road shocks. yes the ride will be horrible off-road but realistically most people are not taking this truck on serious off-road journeys and I feel more people would use the towing capacity anyways.
either way it will still be a cool truck just not what I was expecting.
I’m actually glad to hear this as I was under the assumption the Rebel had the same spring rating as a regular 2500.. If the payload is reduced that much then it would mean the spring rating is dramatically reduced giving it a much better ride!.. As far as the payload/towing goes, this is nothing a set of airbags won’t fix as the powertrain is the same as the higher rated models!. Funny how so many people get all hung up on that little sticker… Maybe it places like Commiefornia you might have to worry about it, but the majority of us have zero worries over a sticker…
air bags will fix a lot of things! powertrain is rated for a lot of weight you are correct lol but I mean you get in a accident overloaded and hurt someone you can kiss your insurance goodbye and probably get sued into the stone age knowing how the legal system works these days. yes California sucks (so does Canada) when it comes to this stuff but legally that little door sticker is all that matters.
my point is why didn't ram just up the GVRW for the Cummins option like ford did with the tremors.
@@GettysGarage I do know in a lot of states you can get the max weight adjusted on the door for your specific truck if you add stuff to tow more. Say you throw in bags and frame reinforcement take it to dot and they put a new sticker with a new GVWR
@@mackenziepeek9317 any idea how you get that done?
@@jasonschell6036 I know when I was in north Carolina I went to the DMV told them I needed it reevaluated and they sent me somewhere. It was a shop. It's been a long time. But we use to take our 4500s and beef them up at work and we would get them re-rated so we could tow heavier legally and so insurance wouldnt just flat deny the claim. Probably would have to Google it because it could be different state by state. I'd say ask your DMV but we all know most of them don't know anything
@0:06 It even says 16,870 pound GAS max towing. They never lied. You just can't read.
I need you to somehow get a hold of one and beat the crap out of it as you did with all your vids TYVM again for all your vids Please stay safe and healthy
This definitely changed my mind I was looking at the rebel as a substitute for my pw . Thanks!
Very good information, thank you for the breakdown. I was leaning towards the gas version anyway. All that aside, I'm loving the new backdrop. Very beautiful countryside!
thank you sir! And yes It's awesome having some nice space and views at our new place!
The Cummins is a heavier engine which works against you for total towing capacity of the truck. Why is this so mind blowing to the OP?
Exactly. Basic addition & subtraction here, it's not rocket surgery...
It's my understanding that for folks who want greater towing/payload capabilities in the Rebel 2500, you'll need beefed up shocks and heavier coil springs, like the Carli system offers, don't know why Ram didn't address this off the jump along with the Hellcat oil pump for their hemi version of the Rebel.
I honestly don't know the suspension set up they used but even if you beefed it up legally the only thing that matters is the door sticker. They should of increased the gvw like ford did with their diesel tremors
@@GettysGarage 100%
Carli stuff is garbage now. They were also bought out by icon
Ram didn't bump the GVWR up on either the Rebel or the Power Wagon even though they have the same components as some of the other trims. They did this because certain states increase registration fees for the higher GVWR
Ya my 22 2500 Cummins has a door jam sticker payload of 2257 and I feel like thats low no way id buy the Rebel Equipped like that atleast the 1500 Rebel can compete with that at like 11,000lbs ya im out looks pretty but no thanks ill keep my Custom Big Horn setup
that's where I would of expected the rebel to land is right around 2,200lbs of payload which is just fine for towing 17,000 or more lol but nope it's WAY too low in my opinion
@@GettysGarage agreed! Thx for the vids man really enjoy them!
Reminds me of my 2014 Ram 2500 5.7 Hemi powered tow pig pisser. Because 2014 was the first year of the rear coil spring suspension they acted very conservative and derated the GVWR to 9000 lbs. Next year's 2015 models would suddenly get a GVWR of 10k with no physical changes going forward.
very interesting! I wonder if ram will do something similar
I like your wheels. Where’d you get them?
Basically if you want a offroad HD truck (in diesel), go with a 6.7 Powerstroke Tremor.
that or get a ram 2500 with the off-road package for an extra 840 bucks.
@@GettysGarage AEV Prospector XL
True.. but off-road 2500 diesel is kinda not real anyway. The Tremor is cool but not in Power Wagon off roadness. Got to give up something for flex.
Its not a mistake, ford is the one who had to recently lower their towing capacitg. Also the ford tremor failed the TFL toaster while towing, and the new heavier unproven SST Ram not only did better they didn't have to turn the AC off. The newer Rams towing capacity is often re-calibrated based on breaking ability and handling. Not necessarily always on the pulling power. The 2500 Cummins is not the same engine as the 1 tons. They must put themselves in a safe zone. Just for the record countless people overtow their Rams, and Ram knows this. So they need to set guidelines accordingly for self preservation. Also the 6.4 hemi might just be the greatest naturally aspirated engine ever. The Ford 7.3 has far more catastrophic failures.
I seem to remember that in one or two of the videos (TFL?) that the Ram executive did mention, or corrected, the statement of the 17K towing was only available on the 6.4 Hemi.
And one of those videos also showed and mentioned the Cummings payload and towing capacities.
I could be wrong! wouldn't of been the first time but it's good TFL is on top of this!
Yep you’re definitely wrong. There clickbait and then there’s libel.
Isn't Ram about to release the new I-6 gas Hurricane truck motor that is supposed to be better than the 6.4L V8? Doesn't the Ram 2500 have a 4 or 5 link rear suspension as opposed to the traditional leaf spring on the Ram 3500?
I mean yes that I-6 is coming down the line but I don't think it will be put into the HD line up. I don't think it will be able to handle the abusive life that a 2500 is supposed to be able to handle. and yes the 2500's come with 5 link suspension but a normal ram 2500 can have over 4,000lbs of payload.
Problem is the Cummins weights almost 900lbs more then the hemi. The GVW for a 2500 ram is 10,000 lbs either way. 2500 rams suck for payload/towing when you configure with a Cummins. If you want a Cummins go to the 3500 or it's a waste of $10,000 bucks as an option. Fords got a similar issue.
people were saying that the ford tremor with the diesel have higher gvwr's but I don't know forsure. and yes I agree but I just thought they would of tried to avoid the same issues as the power wagon. I'm sure ram knows what they are doing either way
The Ford has a max gooseneck towing number of 21,800 lbs (diesel). Their max payload is 4150 lbs. But, they're both on the F350 Tremor, and that 4150 is gas only. Still, numbers that make the Ram look stupid.
I would assume the diesel payload may be around 3,200 with the diesel but that is still head and shoulders of the payload of the rebel.
Why didn't they just make the Rebel in a 3500 then ?
That picture at 0:07 says max gas towing I’m pretty sure the Cummins runs on diesel.
Yes it does, but it shocked me the gas engine would have a higher tow rating. my point was I think most people would assume that in order to get the max towing number you would need the diesel, but in this case it's not true which is odd.
@@GettysGarage it’s only because of the added weight of the components of the diesel 😞 sad
I knew this was going to happen as soon as I heard it was going to have the same shocks as the Power Wagon. Power Wagon shocks with the heavier diesel motor can only equal worse payload and towing.
I mean yes and no. So yes they share the same shocks but not the same suspension. basically the power wagon has lighter duty springs then a ram 2500. I think the rebel will have more traditional suspension set up but we don't really know for sure!
Isn’t it a 2500 with the standard output as well? So not the 1,000 lb of torque unless that changed for 2023.
Just recieved my HD3500, waited 7 months and I'm completely blown away by this truck! HO cummins feels like a 5.0 mustang. Incredible
I mean it says “gas towing capacity” right under that number so…
Reading and comprehension is not many people's strong suit... especially if you're going for a click-bait youtube "career".
you aren't wrong lol it does but my point is why would someone ever spend 12k to get a lower tow rating and less off-road ability. It kind of defeats the purpose of having a Cummins in my lovely opinion.
I turn wrenches for a "career" bud. Sick drag racing content though...
@@GettysGarage True but maybe they want something more off-road capable than a regular Ram but want to use it for some degree of towing or hauling with the legendary Cummins diesel. At the end of the day it’s far better than the 1500 Rebel, which is actually better for towing and payload than the Power Wagon despite being a smaller truck. It definitely COULD be improved, considering that the 1500 Rebel has the same towing and payload as every other 1500, but it’s definitely the way to go if you want a Rebel but plan on towing.
People want a pickup that can do "everything", and in the end, will do nothing well. A full size pickup is designed to tow/pull, not to be a fancy people hauler that hardly leaves pavement.
Why not just wait for the rebel Cummins release and put it to the test. Easy as that, we can’t judge a truck that isn’t even out yet, maybe theirs something we missed or they missed.
I agree with you. but I just thought the initial numbers were interesting. I thought the payload would be much more so I figured I'd talk about it and what this could potentially mean.
@@GettysGarage well I also agree with you on that one, Cummins usually does do bigger numbers. I can’t wait for the reveal to see if it’s a success ✅ or a no no 👎🏽
I'm good with my 2018 3500 SRW cummins, manual. 4 inch BDS lift, 37's. It will go anywhere and pull anything.
when we bought our 1500, we already knew all about towing capacity and payload capacity. we also knew that virtually all trucks run out of payload capacity long before reaching their towing capacity especially the well appointed four door models that are so common these days. the towing capacities are more realistic for barebones two door models that are much lighter. our ram 1500 weighs 6000lb empty and has a payload capacity of around 1400 lbs. those numbers are typical for ford and gm too for a well equipped 4 door truck in the 1/2 ton class
Let's worry about it when the actual trucks arrive and not go off hearsay or rhetoric....
I mean idk what rhetoric we are discussing here other then real payload numbers and the official towing numbers released by RAM themselves. they may certainly change them but this truck is supposed to release in the four quarter of 2022 meaning these trucks are probably already rolling off the factory line. leaving little time for any changes
It’s disappointing that the benefits of the diesel can’t be fully realized with this setup but I’m sure there will be plenty of people that will willingly plop down $80k plus to get that Cummins.
absolutely! and I think RAM knows that also which is why this truck got the green light!
27-33mpgs freeway & 20-25 Mpgs city!2015Ram 2500 4door 4x4 Cummins 6speed stick. 500k miles clean clear oil
that's the dream!
My reading comprehension might be off, or just my understanding of the english language. When going through the specs of the rebel i dont see where they said the desiel can tow up to 17000. It says the hemi can, but the desiel can only tow up to 14000
And to add to that, the hemi gets 3k in payload with 17k of towing.
That towing is with the gas, BUT ALSO with 4.10 axle ratio. Not the 3.73
As far as the tremor goes, they just threw a locker and winch on an f250. With the power wagon and now the rebel, ram has prioritized ride comfort from what I can see. I would still get a power wagon over all of it. It is the king of HD offroad trucks even with the poorer fuel economy.
thats pretty much what ford did and they added 35inch tires. but that's kind of what I was expecting ram to do tbh
@@GettysGarage I mean for the Rebel that would honestly make sense considering the 1500 rebel is a locker and duratracs. Still has great payload and towing for what it is. I feel like they really missed the mark on this one. Isn't the 6.4 rebel going to be more then a Powerwagon? That makes zero sense to me.
It's because the extra weight of the Cummins reduces the payload. I get what you're saying though. Somehow, I think it can actually do way better than the rated numbers. But that does seem to defeat the purpose. Although, the cummins has much greater fuel range than the gas. Which makes it an ideal overlander.
This is just a GUESS. I think the only difference between the suspensions for the 2 engine options are heavier springs for the cummins. The rebel is built for speed over terrain. Secondly what are the trans ratios. Rebels are know for acceleration. That may also play a role in payload and towing capacity reduction.
The reason this truck was made is because everyone keeps asking for it. Not because it makes sense. A tradesmen Cummins is what you buy to tow all the things. A much lighter 6.4 Hemi leaving more room for payload & tows just fine if one has too.. is better for off-roading. It’s a weird truck when the two are combined.
I would still much rather have the Power Wogan myself. Especially with the terrain where I live.
couldn't agree more!
That ram in the picture is the 6.4L... because the Cummins doesn't come with a winch (intercooler space) the 6.4L rebel can tow 16,870.
We know the RAM can carry heavy weights with suitable springs, I think you should be able to fit factory approved springs and receive a factory compliance plate upgrade
Ya it’s sad… the 3/4 ton Rams with a diesel make no sense to me. I think it’s the lack of leaf springs that the 1 ton has. They need a rebel with leaf springs/1 ton.
Also, my sticker says 2870lb. I know I'm gas as well, but I am just saying guys that the truck is awesome! Complements every stop along the road. 😊. Never towed but I am looking at a trailer with no concerns of towability.
Has anyone head if you can put a plow on the Hemi with a winch? I know the Power Wagon can't take a snowplow.
really?? I didnt know that. not that I was going to put a plow on the truck anyways but very interesting!
Sad rebel, the whole point of a hd is payload. My 250 gas 7.3 has a payload of 2698, it tows 17k with a 4.30 rear end, 14k with 3.55. Tremor is similar with diesel since they increase gvwr for diesel. You can get a 350 tremor also.
yup see ford understood that nobody wants low payload with a diesel so they up the gvwr which is smart.
After owning a 2019 3500 Ram, I'm ready to go with the gas. I only need to tow 12,000 anyway.
A 2023 2500 tradesmen 4x4 6.7 cummins 68rfe and 3.73 towes damm near 20000 pounds its payload is lower than the 6.4 because the cummins weighs 1000 lbs more. The 6.4 with 4.10gears has a higher paylaod since it is lighter but less towing capability since it has half the cummins torque. The cummins weight and torque give it the advantage towing big time, while the 6.4 you can throw more cargo in the truck.
I don't need a big diesel with a ton of payload, I just want one lol. My 19" big horn w\tow package has a dismal payload of 1,664. I eventually want to get a lightweight, hard sided slide-in camper but they almost all put me over with just me sitting in the truck.
Wonder how the new Chevy 1500 with the 3.0 Duramax would work out, I just won't touch a Ford after working on them.
haha trust me I'd LOVE a nice big 6.7 Cummins. And to be honest I think a lot of people are going to buy this truck just because it looks cool and comes with the Cummins. I think that will be the major selling factor!
I'm betting that those numbers are on the safe side so you can push the max towing amount a little bit. I'm only saying this because my grandpa has a 2004 super duty with a 6.0 power stroke (I'm pretty sure that's what it is) and he tows his car trailer that weighs easily 12-13,000 lbs. It tows it easily and he goes pretty far towing the trailer.
It could be that the 2500 rebel with the cummings is just supposed to be more an offroad truck and not so much a towing beast. You want more towing power to get a 2500 with the offroad package. You want a 4x4 with a cummings you get the 2500 rebel. The rebel still has enough pulling power to get a mid-size camper into the woods for a great getaway.
I agree with you. I just thought it was odd the payload was so low. but I'm sure ram knows what they are doing!
I don't think it's possible to have a Jeep Rubicon that can haul 4000 lbs or tow 20000 lbs. Yes you can get a Ram 2500 and upgrade suspension, add air bags, get a Cummins, front lockers, a winch, etc. It will end up weighing too much for practical off road use. If you want both, you're going to have to buy both and a trailer to haul the Jeep. Or buy a Unimog, but I hope you're not in a hurry to get where you're going.
personally I think they should of just stiffened the suspension and upped the gvwr like ford did with the tremor. realistically more people will get use from this truck towing and hauling then actually doing any serious off-roading.
This is the best comment here. I agree
Also when you see those commercials they always have in fine print at the end that say as setup and they always show the max setup air bags leveling system max tow package this might not be the same package but 3000# payload is a lot for a dually the Cummins along with all the extra garbage that is on the egr def system messes up the payload also.
lol ohh yes can't forget about the emission systems now
Makes sense if they are using Power Wagon springs. You don't get big payload without stiffer springs and a back breaking ride. I *THINK* payloads are calculated with a 180lbs driver and full tank of fuel, but don't quote me on it. The HD rebel is not a work truck.
So they aren't using the power wagon springs. The power wagon suspension system will still be completely different. The rebel does not come with a 2 inch lift nor does it have Articulink front suspension. As far as I can tell the suspension will be very similar to the normal 2500.
but yes it is not a work truck. I just thought this truck with the cummins would then what it's turning out to be.
@@GettysGarage That's weird then cause the cummins 2500 has around 2200lbs payload so why the low payload on the rebel? I had a 6.4L 2500 that had 2700lbs payload.
I only paid 7400 for the Cummins option
you lucky man! in Canada its 12k extra.
@@GettysGarage I do live in Canada bud. Sarnia Ontario
They did this to tame all the hate for not having a Diesel in a PW. Should have done more planning.
I think they should of definitely looked harder into the design of this rebel HD
@@GettysGarage and you still can't get a winch with the Diesel, I feel this was such a rush!
Idk hemi in the power Pagon is better then the commins. Why? It’s lighter abs better design for what it was meant to do. The rebal power wagon is because ppl wanted the Cummins. So specs for it and perform won’t be the hemi version
First off I really do like your videos but I am a little shocked that you’re this “shocked” at how this package and numbers come out. I always wanted a power wagon but never could bring myself to get one because the legal payload and towing capacity are so so low. You buy a 2500 series truck and a 1500 series can legally tow more. I can understand if you’re going to fully use the off-roading capabilities of the power wagon but 99% of people never will.
I was excited to hear this package coming out because I can get a more off-road capable truck with real towing and payload numbers. Yes I know that is specific to the gasoline motor and that is what I’m wanting because the diesel options are way over priced and the emission systems are a nightmare. For the average consumer this package is amazing in my opinion. I still struggle to see how a diesel is a good option in a 2500 series truck anyways. To get max payload and towing with those you have to have a 2wd pickup anyways. If you look back the tow and payload ratings of some of the older diesels like the 3rd gen Cummins you might be surprised how low they were legally rated. Most people are towing illegal numbers and don’t realize it or just don’t care. Atleast now they can get their Cummins in a more off-road truck package from the factory.
What ram really needs to do is offer the rebel package across their lineup so you could get a 3500 rebel and even a aisin transmission. But I guess we can all dream about that happening.
I guess why I'm shocked by this is because I thought the rebel was going to suffer some off road performance in comparison to the power wagon but in return the consumer would be able to get a Cummins, more payload and more towing all while still being a somewhat off-road capable truck.
I see your point and completely agree that diesel are overpriced especially with the price of diesel atm. I guess I just thought ram was going to give this truck some stock stiff suspension with off-road shocks but also give it some off-road goodies like a locking difff and some nice all-terrain tires.
I should also mention like the gas engine in this truck is clearly the best option so if you were always wanted a gas engine in the rebel I see no issue with that. I was more or less disappointed with he Cummins equipped rebel HD numbers because for years we heard people complain they wanted a Cummins equipped power wagon and so I was excited for the Cummins option but now it seems like kind of a waste. just my humble opinion though lol
You will get better MPG’s with a diesel and you get to say “Its Diesel” 😂
well the reason why it all has do with suspension and obviously the frame limitations to weight, which make sense as you're putting a heavier engine into the same frame of any other 2500 series, well that's how at least i think, and sahring what i think is the reason behind it. IMO specially when you want that off road peformance with a softer suspenssion, weather we like it or not we have to trade suspension stiffness for more optimized travel and so on, at least they are doing a 2500 with a cummins that is off road worth it. I don't personally own any RAMS, I have a 2021 Toyota tacoma TRD OFF Road with LB, I had rent one before buying my tacoma and ever since felt in love with RAM trucks, if I did not had chosen to go with yota, but if there is any other brand that sometimes makes me want to trade my yota is a 3500 single with a cummins to build an off roader out of it. but anyways I always watch your content keep up the good work and sharing the knowledge out there and spreding. Be safe, God bless
Pretty terrible payload, but remember all of the Ram Cummins trucks have worse payload numbers than the gas versions because that Cummins engine is extremely heavy which takes payload to carry. Also the Cummins is going to be terrible off-road with all that extra weight on the front end. There is no point in this truck, it’s silly.
100% correct about the Cummins having less payload but on a normal 2500 with a Cummins you get like 2,300 lbs or something which is respectable. Just a tough look from ram lol
@@GettysGarage Agreed! My 1500 Rebel has better payload yet even it feels front heavy and poorly balanced on dirt. I cannot even imagine how bad this Cummins Rebel will be on rough roads. Hard pass from me, but I’m sure someone will buy it.
The issue is that you’re trying to expect high towing numbers with softer off-road suspension. And that’s never going to happen. I have a 2020 ram power wagon and was on a trip with a f250 tremor and I’ll tell you 100% that tremor road like dog shit off-road compared to the power wagon. It was 10x stiffer and you felt everything on the trails even aired down to 17psi. But that’s why the tremor can tow what it advertised, cause of the stiffer suspension.
Maybe now all the people asking for Cummins in the power wagon will finally understand that the payload and tow rating has nothing to do with the motor anymore, it’s suspension and tires mostly oh and overall weight of the truck lol. My power wagon has the same gas motor as my last 2500 outdoorsman but the tow rating on the outdoorsman was 16,000lb unlike the 10,000 for the power wagon.
yup nailed it on the head!
It competes with ford. The f-350 tremor towing capacity is up to 15k with the 7.3l. So why are you complaining? It’s an off road truck. Not meant to tow a D8 dozer off road.
The power wagon is an off road truck. this is something of a mix. I guess my complaint is why bother putting in a Cummins at this point if it's just going to have a lower tow rating then the 6.4 gas. Does the diesel tremor have less tow rating then the 7.3? my guess would be no.
@@GettysGarage well instead of guessing maybe you should research it. Also, ram tried telling people that they can’t put the Cummins in the power wagon for more than one reason. If you research that you will find that they said that more than once as well.
The Cummins payload is lower then the 6.4 hemi because of the weight of the engine the gas burner has more payload usually double but the Cummins will tow 17000lbs and the regular Cummins tows 20000lbs this has the off-road suspension so it don’t tow as much
What!?! That’s a terrible I think the old rangers were in that range. My 96’ V10 ram 2500 4x4 has a payload of 2880lbs
that's what I mean! it seems pretty low
Ram has been trying to tell everyone that kept crying about not having a diesel option for the PW....it was not going to work. Suspension is too soft, and the Cummins is too heavy......
With the 6.4 hemi 2500 rebel there is at least something to compete with an f250 tremor with the 7.3 godzilla.
I would agree there!
Dude they literally said when properly equipped. No one in their right mind would think it was a Cummins build for full capacity. As a rule you lose over 1000lb in payload and over 2000lb in towing.
" when properly equipped" could mean anything lol they say that for everything single tow rating on every single truck. they failed to mention that the 12,000 dollars diesel option is not going to give you any advantage over the stock gas engine. pretty import piece of info.
I agree with you on the payload. but still 1,500lbs is a joke. the ford tremors with the diesels upped their GVWR in order to give consumers more payload number. would of been nice for ram to consider doing that.
but you are wrong with the towing. a normal 2500 with the Cummins is rated for over 20,000lbs of towing where the gas 6.4 is rated for 17,000lbs. if the rebel had better payload the cummins would have a much higher tow rating then the 6.4 gas
No mate not really. If you look at the vehicles that people actually buy. Crews/Mega with 4x4 Big Horn etc the 4.10 Hemi beats the Cummins.
www.ramtrucks.com/content/dam/fca-brands/na/ramtrucks/en_us/towing/Ram_HD-2500-DJ_Trailer-Tow-Weight-Chart_MY21.pdf
@@GettysGarage On 2500 4x4 Crew Cab 6'4" bed models only the Tradesman is rated higher to tow with the Cumins than with the Hemi. In every other trim the Hemi can tow more.
The Rebel was created for two buyers. 1: The person who likes the PW and wants to offload but needs to tow and haul more, so he'll get the Rebel with the 6.4L and be happy he now has a locker from the factory. 2: The person who thinks the PW looks cool, but has to have a diesel because otherwise no one will know he's a real man.
The RAM 2500 with a Cummins has never had the payload or towing capacities of the gasser. All models. It has everything to do with curb weight versus suspension capabilities.
I agree with you on the payload forsure. but the modern ram 2500's have much higher towing numbers with the diesel.
It’s definitely a weird truck, not quite sure where it fits. Seems like there are much better options for every specific purpose (gas or diesel Tremor, Power Wagon, regular 2500 Cummins, etc).
Agreed. It's just an odd ball of a truck but it looks great and has the cummins so Imagine it will sell!
You are so right 3/4 ton truck with Cummins will tow more than is leagl you have to live with in the ten thousand pounds u had a fifth wheel with 2200 pound hitch so towing will my 2016 2500 larimie I was Way over weight insurance companies can talk away if you get in an accident
I just got a rebel 2500 with the gas motor and I am obsessed with this thing. Gas mileage is 12 mpg but I don't even care! I love this truck! I will never get rid of this thing! Ford is garbage. I also got a 200k mile powertrain warranty from the dealer. Ford WAS the best! Not any more!
Ok how about this? I want a cummins and superior Ram interior, but cant get past the fact that there is no provision for a front axle torsen style limited slip, much less a locker, no winch on cummins equipped Rams, (except an expensive AEV option), and the lower payloads you mention. I’m being forced into a Tremor purchase, and they screwed up the aesthetics on the Ford. Damn!!!
that's a tough situation. hurts me to say this but the ford tremor would be the way to go if you can get over the looks lol
They shouldve used a 3500 for the Rebel
you never know they might! but you never know!
Or just have the Rebel package available on a 3500 too…
@@northernidahooutdoors3748 ya true i guess not everyone tows stuff so may not matter to some
Not surprising for a loaded 2500 Cummins. Ford has the same problem with the diesel. Only GM bumps their gvwr up to 11,000 lbs to get around this issue.
I mean I'm not expecting 4000lbs of payload but common 1,500? like your average ram 1500 has more payload then that. this truck was supposed to not have the same issues like the power wagon such as low payload.
my buddy has a fully loaded ram 2500 cummins but his paylaod was like 2,230lbs which to me is just fine. I don't know why they couldn't bring that too the rebel
@@GettysGarage Unfortunately they run into the 9900lb gvwr rating that's common in this class. Mechanically it's capable, but not on paper. Most of these trucks will not be registered commercially, so the chance of a road side inspection and a fine is small..... wink wink. As of 2019 the personal use exemption was raised to 6500 Kg ( 14,300 lbs ) from 4500 Kg ( 9900 lbs ), and for whatever reason GM is the only manufacturer to take advantage of this on it's 2500 chassis. Your friend should probably look at his door sticker and not go by RAM's advertised numbers. It would make an interesting video to gather a bunch of these trucks and look at the door stickers.
And this is why if you actually NEED the Cummins, you get a 3500 not a 2500. The 2500 gives you more capability than a 1500 but a better ride than a 3500. So it's a compromise. I just don't understand why some of these guys are crying out for the Cummins to be put in the PW. Do they completely not understand the laws of physics? But then most guys who get the Cummins don't actually NEED it! They either just want that awesome Cummins diesel sound or they just don't think its a real truck unless it has a diesel. Guess next will be a 3500 Rebel.
it would be cool if they did a 3500 rebel lol but yes it does get a little tiring when people don't understand why a Cummins can't be in a power wagon. I just think ram missed the mark with the rebel. yes the cummins will be awesome but it makes no sense how its tow rating is lower. kind of bums me out a little.
well your picking up 5,000 lbs of towing over the Power Wagon since the Power Wagon only tows 10,000 lbs
That's wild my 1500 rebel has more payload capacity
Just your typical marketing hype BS Alex! Great explanation. Bill from Linglestown Pennsylvania
Thank you Bill!
I don't think it really matters. It performs like a beast off-road, once you put a 3.5" lift and 40s. Even with a giant heavy camper in the bed. th-cam.com/video/w4zwJ1fxMPs/w-d-xo.htmlsi=X8TnpZDjh8ppUfto
I mean it literally says in the red box that you have is that is Gas towing capacity lmao!
I bet it's because ram didn't want to change of the Gross Vehicle Weight
The gas engine is the one I wanted anyway.
not a bad truck with the 6.4 hemi!!
RAM did something stupid for no reason? How shocking!
Power Wagon will.
still can put 400 k on 6.7 cummins engine and transmission and you cant with the v8 and your 8 speed trans ..sorry brother
I wouldn't get a Cummins. Add a thousand lbs to payload with a Hemi...and a winch...
A puny 3/4 ton for towing is a joke. You want diesel you have to start at the 1 tons and up. The ignorance is palpable.
Rebel hd ? More like Rebel Hardly a Diesel
We need a power wagon 1500!
Not knowing what your talking about if you making a video do your research
My dads half ton is better than that😂
not surprising lol
And it's over priced.