I for one am completely apposed to removing artifacts from mines,but dang it,that one stamp mill needs to be preserved and shown at a museum,aaahh the quandary 😮
At 18.17 that is a forge base...hearth! The blower attached to the spigot. It's upside down! Those old boys were amazing how they got gear into remote sites. Nice video. G'day from Tasmania.
The wooden handle on the blower, was to tension the belt between the fly wheel and the blower. On and off. Off the belt would be turning but not tight enough to run the blower. The engine looks like a Fairmont RQD. If you find some belts there, they ran from that hit and miss engine to the other machines. That was the briggs and Stratton of the day then.
@TVRExploring ya , we crossed the creek and followed the trail down to the conference of the next Creek but didn't see anything else of note. I wanted to hike upstream but ran out of Time.
I use to be not so keen on the relics but now I find them just as fascinating as the mine itself. You must be in great shape with all the hiking you do. I enjoyed this one. Thank you!
That open flywheel with the blower under it was connected by (most likely) a leather belt to the blower and that was typically used to provide air to the forge, The wooden lever turned the big flywheel to make running the blower easier. The anvil has the horn broken off. I would love to be able to restore the forge blower, stamp mill and the engine that ran the stamp mill.
Maybe the engine isn't so unusual but that stamp mill? One prize piece. Lots of old artifacts. Maybe with a metal detector and some time, one could only guess what could be found. Thanks Justin and friend!
Lots of great artifacts. A couple gallons of lubricant and some "rust be gone" juice and the next batch of miners are all set for equipment. Thanks for dragging us down the canyon with you. : )
Looks like my backyard in WA. The town I grew up in was an old logging/mining train town. It had train depots to transport materials out to cities and milling plants. My neighborhood was built early 2000s fairly new. So going out in the woods was always an adventure. Finding old train wheels and parts growing into trees. Definitely needed my tetanus shot as a kid. Granite Falls WA. Monte Cisco was our famous mining town just outside Granite Falls
Of the hundreds of mine exploring videos I've watched in the last year, that was the first anvil I've seen documented on site. Seen many a stump next to a forge, but the anvil was always gone. Your documentation of that underground mule stable was another first for me, that was pretty dang incredible to see. Your channel does not disappoint! Thanks for the bring along.
great video as usual If no one has commented on the blower you found I think you will find it is for providing air to a blacksmith forge. The wooden handle would have been pumped up and down to propel the large wheel that would have been linked to the blower by a leather belt.
Lots of very cool artifacts left behind that appear to have been gathered up by the recent/current miners and displayed, like all of the shovels and hammer heads in one place. Canady-Otto mfg blowers and camel back drill presses to name two items that are fairly common. Joshua Hendy in SF mfg a lot of mine cars that have their name plate and are found all over the west. I get the impression that this mine is more or less active, but not perhaps the summer you were there? I looked up the Justinian Caire company and you are right, quite a fascinating business man. I'm not sure why his name is actually part of the stamp mill as it appears his business was basically a hardware store supplying mining equipment and also vintner supplies. It seems he might have had some of those small single stamp mill mfg based on his own design? His hardware store building was destroyed in the 1906 earthquake, but the business was carried on by his two sons till it was dissolved in 1945.
That is a small crusher at 32:25 and would also have been powered by the hit-miss engine just as the single-stamp mill. The ore would go through the crusher then the stamp mill.
WOW - such an exciting find thank you for taking us on the journey. To see so many amazing mining artefacts left in their natural setting is so special. It’s almost like the mining camp is actually the mining artefacts museum. I wholeheartedly agree that artefacts should be left where they are - whenever possible - and although I can understand some opinions that some of those items should be removed and put into a bricks and mortar museum somewhere, there is a part of me which thinks they should be LEFT exactly where they are - but your excellent photographic documentation could be displayed in a mining museum somewhere. No doubt there will be many split opinions on that issue. 🧨⛏🧨⛏🇬🇧
The blower operated by manual crank(wood handle). Once spinning it was much easier to maintain operation. The engine appears to be about 3hp hit and miss engine
Been mine exploring since the 19 70s Finding an anvil is very rare, but a long time ago I got one from a mine from the 1890s . I still use it today at my new mining property.
Thank you for this Video . The Artefakts are amazing . I know it is imposible but they had to be in a Museum. But i know the history and the Equipment Fade away by looters and Souvenir hunters Very sad. Greetings from the Rammelsberg Mine and the Harzmountains. Yours Frank Galetzka
That's pretty cool. The mining on the property I grew up on was during the Gold Rush. So, you could see the ground they had worked, the piles of rocks, etc. However, I never found any artifacts connected to the mining.
Have you been out to any mines in Oregon? There are a few decent-sized cinnabar/mercury mines, as well as plenty of gold mines. I could give you a few locations if you are interested.
Some of those external artefacts look like they have positioned almost like a museum display, I wonder if the last miners there were letting people look round.
That's a helluva lot of tooling for such a small mine. So it begs this question, which is a situation I'm wondering if you guys have discovered before. IS it possible that maybe that uppermost adit was the first strike, & led to a fair investment in the tooling; then leading to the other adits?? -OR- Perhaps there's a much larger network of adits in that area than has been discovered?? I'd think that the amount of residual footprint to previous structures, along with all the tooling, supports this. For as little mine area as there is, this has to be up there on the level of artifact found.
Yes, it was (and still is) common for miners to become overly optimistic over early positive indicators and to invest quite a lot into a project that ends up being nowhere as profitable as initially assumed. That said, what you saw at this mine was pretty much the bare minimum of what would be required of an underground mine at that time and location. People have ransacked these historical sites so much that we're unaccustomed to how many artifacts "should" be present. However, every mine, if not looted, should have at least as much stuff as you see here. I don't believe that we missed any adits based on the geology, our knowledge of the area and based upon the reports on this mine.
looks like a champion or alldays and onions forge blower. It would have been hand powered using that wooden handle as a lever to pedal it like those skiing exercise machines Looks like the anvil was in good condition and brought up there without the horn, there is not too much use for a horn you are most often straightening drills and resharpening picks etc excellent little mine I would have been stoked to find that one Thanks for braving the cold feet for this one...I wonder have you ever panned out any dirt on the floor of a gold mine, there are bound to be bits of interesting stuff in the run out
😮 with that modern classifier and gold pan nearby, I would have been tempted to test that collapsed material at the end of the video. Are y'all still hunting a mine of your own? I never see any sampling on your exploration videos, which is why I ask.
Justin and crew, enjoyed this video as well as your others! Could you please point me in the direction of how to find information on old mines in CA? All I ever find is Western Mining History and Mindat, which basically give you the location, but no other info. I would like to know ownership, years worked, what was mined, etc. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Mel The Ice Man Acton, CA
@@TVRExploring well Jason I am not a geologist either… and looking at an iPhone screen is not the pinnacle of visual equivalent of being there and holding it in your hand! Looking at many of the places you have been deep into the old timers workings many just oozing with Rich Hydrothermal mineralization… possibly only inches away from a pocket that the Old timers missed… Back then the old timers could only guess Today…we had tools the old timers could only dream of… Today we have metal detector that can see through rock ! Just like in that drift with the crumbly quartz > the old timers Drifted down and lost the vein when they should have Drifter up.. So Even the old timers made mistakes and also got sloppy… they were human too! Because of those mistakes I have found plenty of gold the the old timers missed for one reason or another… ✅ a good Metal detector is a great tool to have in the right place & You have been in those places! just saying …. Thanks for doing all the heavy lifting in extremely sketchy places and sharing it with all of us !!!
It looks like Serpentine that's rotted out. My dad was friends with several of the old timers that worked and were the underground surveyors in the Idaho-Maryland and my ex-wife is 4th gen Cornish (part of the Grass Valley Simmons/McGuire clan). They all swore the Gold bearing Quartz followed the serpentine veins.
What makes you say that? I'm not being snarky. I'm genuinely curious on your reasoning. Even if what he says is true, the BLM has the claim listed as "closed" status, it is on public land, the mining antiques are not "his stuff" as he stated, but instead belong to the public given the location and we are not the only ones that have been down there based upon other comments on this video.
@@TVRExploring Well I don't want the items to disappear if they belong to him is all. He left his full name on this site and I had the locations within an hour. I did it for the fun of the challenge others do it to scam antique items, to many open holes in the system and ways to find locations, I'll bet that those items will be gone in a month depending on the weather. Did you know that if you take an image with a cell phone of some thing and you down load it into a pc to send it any where or even send by phone , the image data stream has the gps locations in it along with the phone id. A few years back BLM try'ed to take a large stamp mill from a claim that was being worked and occupied by a miner I knew, claimed it was archaelogical site and was not his. Was a pre 1955 claim. Till he showed them the bill of sale for the mill from the man who set it up in the 70's My reasoning , it is no fault of you'rs and I like what you are doing. watch you all the time. but he does own the items. by the old laws as much as the shovels and picks and even the coolers. the people who brought the items in are long dead and gone, the items are part of the mine . and when you told me it was closed it narrowed down the location even tighter. Keep doing you'r stuff, we enjoy it. I'm just trying to raise you'r awareness of the people out there and what they are capable of... Grumpy. ps, be careful
I for one am completely apposed to removing artifacts from mines,but dang it,that one stamp mill needs to be preserved and shown at a museum,aaahh the quandary 😮
Looks like a Hit and Miss engine. The other looks like a small jaw-crusher. This is one cool mine.
Do they have a spark plug ?
@@redtobertshateshandles yes and a camshaft and valves.
@@redtobertshateshandles yes and valves. I can see the valve springs in the video. The opening on top is for water to cool it. They run on gasoline.
Hidden hillside bunker was probably the Kids Fort, built while the adults were doing "serious" mining work.
Yes, I expect that you're right about that.
At 18.17 that is a forge base...hearth! The blower attached to the spigot. It's upside down! Those old boys were amazing how they got gear into remote sites. Nice video. G'day from Tasmania.
Sure it isn't a sink basin? The flange doesn't have any holes for fasteners, so it's unlikely to be a seam.
For sure they were hard workers !
You are one hard core mine explorer dude!
Coming from you, that means a lot!
The wooden handle on the blower, was to tension the belt between the fly wheel and the blower. On and off. Off the belt would be turning but not tight enough to run the blower. The engine looks like a Fairmont RQD. If you find some belts there, they ran from that hit and miss engine to the other machines. That was the briggs and Stratton of the day then.
It looks like someone took the magneto off the engine, too. I also didn't see a pully on either end of the flywheel shafts.
Very impressive artifacts.
Thanks for sharing 🇨🇦
Cool you made it to the Coors mine. We never went past the cooler.
Ha, as you saw, you didn't miss much.
@TVRExploring ya , we crossed the creek and followed the trail down to the conference of the next Creek but didn't see anything else of note. I wanted to hike upstream but ran out of Time.
dam you know all the spots and can make good time getting there on the bike have a good holidays and thanks for clearing trails
@@adambatchelder4121 😀
@@oldschoolmoto ya that hill was pretty fun coming up out of there. We only had to cut a few logs on that one . I think someone still goes down there.
I use to be not so keen on the relics but now I find them just as fascinating as the mine itself.
You must be in great shape with all the hiking you do. I enjoyed this one. Thank you!
That open flywheel with the blower under it was connected by (most likely) a leather belt to the blower and that was typically used to provide air to the forge, The wooden lever turned the big flywheel to make running the blower easier. The anvil has the horn broken off. I would love to be able to restore the forge blower, stamp mill and the engine that ran the stamp mill.
A very "retro" mine!
Nice to see everything in it's native habitat and that the "modern miners" left it as it was. Respect!
❤Thanks Jason!❤
😍
So cool!
It’s sad that those amazing pieces of equipment are out in the elements, and not in a local museum.
Maybe the engine isn't so unusual but that stamp mill? One prize piece. Lots of old artifacts. Maybe with a metal detector and some time, one could only guess what could be found. Thanks Justin and friend!
Nice to see everything still there
Well that was another very nice outside museum wow very beautiful things there thnx guys loved too see it Justin.
Lots of great artifacts. A couple gallons of lubricant and some "rust be gone" juice and the next batch of miners are all set for equipment. Thanks for dragging us down the canyon with you. : )
Blower for the forge. Neat
Looks like my backyard in WA. The town I grew up in was an old logging/mining train town. It had train depots to transport materials out to cities and milling plants. My neighborhood was built early 2000s fairly new. So going out in the woods was always an adventure. Finding old train wheels and parts growing into trees. Definitely needed my tetanus shot as a kid. Granite Falls WA. Monte Cisco was our famous mining town just outside Granite Falls
Chicago heights is a far south suburb right down the street from me. US Route 30 runs right through it.
Of the hundreds of mine exploring videos I've watched in the last year, that was the first anvil I've seen documented on site. Seen many a stump next to a forge, but the anvil was always gone. Your documentation of that underground mule stable was another first for me, that was pretty dang incredible to see. Your channel does not disappoint! Thanks for the bring along.
Thank you. Yes, we had some great "firsts" this year... Haha, I don't know why people take anvils given how heavy they are.
great video as usual If no one has commented on the blower you found I think you will find it is for providing air to a blacksmith forge. The wooden handle would have been pumped up and down to propel the large wheel that would have been linked to the blower by a leather belt.
Freakin Murphys Law, ... huh ! .... Thanks Justin and Jake, awesome explore as always. ... take care and stay safe out there. ⛏⚒⛏
Every time...
Snatch block. It can be opened and added to a cable easily. Great for getting around bends.
Lots of very cool artifacts left behind that appear to have been gathered up by the recent/current miners and displayed, like all of the shovels and hammer heads in one place. Canady-Otto mfg blowers and camel back drill presses to name two items that are fairly common. Joshua Hendy in SF mfg a lot of mine cars that have their name plate and are found all over the west. I get the impression that this mine is more or less active, but not perhaps the summer you were there?
I looked up the Justinian Caire company and you are right, quite a fascinating business man. I'm not sure why his name is actually part of the stamp mill as it appears his business was basically a hardware store supplying mining equipment and also vintner supplies. It seems he might have had some of those small single stamp mill mfg based on his own design? His hardware store building was destroyed in the 1906 earthquake, but the business was carried on by his two sons till it was dissolved in 1945.
Those ax heads would be awesome to restore and clean up and reseat into new handles.
A cool bunch of artifacts still remain. I would want to pan in the creek to see if any gold is there.
absolutely love your uploads. that area was beautiful! what a great way to keep yourselves fit! and your dogs too!
Great stuff that some fairly recent miners retrieved, glad they did and left it for us to see. Hope it is still there.
I Like You mine exploring thank you for sharing.
That is a small crusher at 32:25 and would also have been powered by the hit-miss engine just as the single-stamp mill. The ore would go through the crusher then the stamp mill.
WOW - such an exciting find thank you for taking us on the journey. To see so many amazing mining artefacts left in their natural setting is so special. It’s almost like the mining camp is actually the mining artefacts museum. I wholeheartedly agree that artefacts should be left where they are - whenever possible - and although I can understand some opinions that some of those items should be removed and put into a bricks and mortar museum somewhere, there is a part of me which thinks they should be LEFT exactly where they are - but your excellent photographic documentation could be displayed in a mining museum somewhere. No doubt there will be many split opinions on that issue. 🧨⛏🧨⛏🇬🇧
The blower operated by manual crank(wood handle). Once spinning it was much easier to maintain operation. The engine appears to be about 3hp hit and miss engine
Looks like a Fairbanks Morris 3.5 Hp engine. Early 1920's Throttle governor and not a true Hit and Miss.
That"sub component" you mentioned is a lightening jaw crusher made by Braun company c. 1902 . Value today: @ 1000.00
dog is living its best life😊
It may have been a vein structure to you but it's an obvious widow maker to me!!
Hand powered blower is used in blacksmithing
Been mine exploring since the 19 70s
Finding an anvil is very rare, but a long time ago I got one from a mine from the 1890s .
I still use it today at my new mining property.
Thank you for this Video .
The Artefakts are amazing .
I know it is imposible but they had to be in a Museum.
But i know the history and the Equipment Fade away by looters and Souvenir hunters
Very sad.
Greetings from the Rammelsberg Mine and the Harzmountains.
Yours Frank Galetzka
Wooow nice🎉🎉🎉
that was the best camp i have seen
the unique shovel is a woods big fist. i have one i found leaned on a bush behind my house.
That's pretty cool. The mining on the property I grew up on was during the Gold Rush. So, you could see the ground they had worked, the piles of rocks, etc. However, I never found any artifacts connected to the mining.
nice pretty spring, wished you gave it a better look at it and the puddle see if any life was inside of it.
Great Video !
all that stuff was powered by that hit n miss motor right in front of you. you guys missed it!!!!! its on its side lol
guaranteed it still works
Great artifacts!
In that last adit, the quartz looks very promising. The miners should have stooped the back.
Awesome videos man iv been watching your videos for a couple years now.keep up the good work
Thank you!
Have you been out to any mines in Oregon? There are a few decent-sized cinnabar/mercury mines, as well as plenty of gold mines. I could give you a few locations if you are interested.
No, I haven't. Mines of the West has Oregon and Washington covered.
@@TVRExploring Yeah, I've watched pretty much all his videos, but he has been inactive for quite a while now. Hopefully he is doing alright.
Yes, he's doing well. We're doing a trip in February. He's just been busy with life... @@pancakesnarfer5512
Those plants in the middle of the creek looked interesting. Never seen anything like them. A type of blood root?
I'm afraid that I'm not familiar with that one.
I have never had a microphone, but water in the microphone has got to be one of the worst things to clean
Some of those external artefacts look like they have positioned almost like a museum display, I wonder if the last miners there were letting people look round.
That's a helluva lot of tooling for such a small mine. So it begs this question, which is a situation I'm wondering if you guys have discovered before.
IS it possible that maybe that uppermost adit was the first strike, & led to a fair investment in the tooling; then leading to the other adits??
-OR- Perhaps there's a much larger network of adits in that area than has been discovered??
I'd think that the amount of residual footprint to previous structures, along with all the tooling, supports this.
For as little mine area as there is, this has to be up there on the level of artifact found.
Yes, it was (and still is) common for miners to become overly optimistic over early positive indicators and to invest quite a lot into a project that ends up being nowhere as profitable as initially assumed. That said, what you saw at this mine was pretty much the bare minimum of what would be required of an underground mine at that time and location. People have ransacked these historical sites so much that we're unaccustomed to how many artifacts "should" be present. However, every mine, if not looted, should have at least as much stuff as you see here. I don't believe that we missed any adits based on the geology, our knowledge of the area and based upon the reports on this mine.
@TVRExploring Cool Info, Thanks! Here's hoping there's more of these to be discovered.
Brother Jake makes a great point, ✌🏼 :)
You need an RC boat😎👍
looks like a champion or alldays and onions forge blower. It would have been hand powered using that wooden handle as a lever to pedal it like those skiing exercise machines
Looks like the anvil was in good condition and brought up there without the horn, there is not too much use for a horn you are most often straightening drills and resharpening picks etc
excellent little mine I would have been stoked to find that one
Thanks for braving the cold feet for this one...I wonder have you ever panned out any dirt on the floor of a gold mine, there are bound to be bits of interesting stuff in the run out
No, we've never sampled or panned any of the mines that we've visited.
@@TVRExploring I'm not sure I could resist lol
Just so interesting I’m in a dilemma do you leave in place or preserve the historical legacy
@TVR - Cool video, i wonder if there are any more addits further up the creek or even down the creek hidden from view by bushes and collapses.
1851 Cayre arrived San Fran, merged in 1852 = Caire & Long
tactical clogs to the rescue. thanks for sharing your adventure! hope the day was hot?
Maybe they used the winch of an ATV for a slusher to open the portal?
@@-r-495 That's insane and I'm here for it.
Not hot enough, I'm afraid. That mine water was particularly cold...
Very interesting guys. Mine dog is very well behaved 🐕. Have you ever found any snippets of gold in all the mines you have visited?
Sometimes we do see some, but only in places where rock has caved and exposed it. Never where the miners could have seen it...
@TVRExploring That's what I thought.
quality beer there. Sierra Nevada pale , I think.
Cool! I'm jealous !
😮 with that modern classifier and gold pan nearby, I would have been tempted to test that collapsed material at the end of the video. Are y'all still hunting a mine of your own? I never see any sampling on your exploration videos, which is why I ask.
Dog was having a blast. Should train him to sniff out gold and silver.
hey I know a location in Camino California that's got a huge mine we were all too chicken to go in it looks really good though large entrance
Blue Lead?
Justin and crew, enjoyed this video as well as your others! Could you please point me in the direction of how to find information on old mines in CA? All I ever find is Western Mining History and Mindat, which basically give you the location, but no other info. I would like to know ownership, years worked, what was mined, etc. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Mel The Ice Man Acton, CA
Do you ever take any ore home and assay it?
Jason, the crumbly quartz in the last mine could of been calcite…?
I don't believe so. Calcite is very rare in that area and has a slightly different look (at least in my experience).
@@TVRExploring well Jason I am not a geologist either… and looking at an iPhone screen is not the pinnacle of visual equivalent of being there and holding it in your hand!
Looking at many of the places you have been deep into the old timers workings many just oozing with Rich Hydrothermal mineralization… possibly only inches away from a pocket that the Old timers missed… Back then the old timers could only guess Today…we had tools the old timers could only dream of… Today we have metal detector that can see through rock !
Just like in that drift with the crumbly quartz > the old timers Drifted down and lost the vein when they should have Drifter up.. So Even the old timers made mistakes and also got sloppy… they were human too!
Because of those mistakes I have found plenty of gold the the old timers missed for one reason or another… ✅ a good Metal detector is a great tool to have in the right place & You have been in those places!
just saying ….
Thanks for doing all the heavy lifting in extremely sketchy places and sharing it with all of us !!!
It looks like Serpentine that's rotted out. My dad was friends with several of the old timers that worked and were the underground surveyors in the Idaho-Maryland and my ex-wife is 4th gen Cornish (part of the Grass Valley Simmons/McGuire clan). They all swore the Gold bearing Quartz followed the serpentine veins.
I don’t think it was abandoned. I think the owner of all that stuff is underneath that cave in.
Wow gons of cool stuff. Mines not so much lol.
Is this mine off of concow above jones meadow. If so I know the owner.
Engine was called a Hit and Miss engine.
Test every where there is still a lot of gold in that hole I think
That sign that said "federal mining claim". Did you get a good pic of that? I wonder what it said. Looks like any hand writing is long gone.
I bet the blower was powered by a person pumping that wooden hanble up and down
The wooden handle is a tensioner for the belt between the hit and miss engine and the blower. On and off more less
I was thinking the creek
that old engine is what they call a hit miss engine i believe.
Snatchblocks!
It takes a mine to build a bridge so if you want to build Bridges quit banning the mining
You need to pull Tedds comment asap.
What makes you say that? I'm not being snarky. I'm genuinely curious on your reasoning. Even if what he says is true, the BLM has the claim listed as "closed" status, it is on public land, the mining antiques are not "his stuff" as he stated, but instead belong to the public given the location and we are not the only ones that have been down there based upon other comments on this video.
@@TVRExploring Well I don't want the items to disappear if they belong to him is all. He left his full name on this site and I had the locations within an hour. I did it for the fun of the challenge others do it to scam antique items, to many open holes in the system and ways to find locations, I'll bet that those items will be gone in a month depending on the weather. Did you know that if you take an image with a cell phone of some thing and you down load it into a pc to send it any where or even send by phone , the image data stream has the gps locations in it along with the phone id. A few years back BLM try'ed to take a large stamp mill from a claim that was being worked and occupied by a miner I knew, claimed it was archaelogical site and was not his. Was a pre 1955 claim. Till he showed them the bill of sale for the mill from the man who set it up in the 70's
My reasoning , it is no fault of you'rs and I like what you are doing. watch you all the time. but he does own the items. by the old laws as much as the shovels and picks and even the coolers. the people who brought the items in are long dead and gone, the items are part of the mine . and when you told me it was closed it narrowed down the location even tighter. Keep doing you'r stuff, we enjoy it. I'm just trying to raise you'r awareness of the people out there and what they are capable of... Grumpy. ps, be careful
@@TVRExploring Hi Justin, How can I send you some pictures ?.
@@grumpymachinist6061 You can email: TVRExploring@gmail.com
Abandoned? Don't get shot.
You or someone should have called the dog out
Dogs and kids don’t belong in mines!
Ask Frank 😡
First 😂
Next time leave dog at home please
What's the problem with the dog .
Thanks again, do you ever grab a sample of ore to look at at home?