You know what I like the most about this channel? He gets right to the point! He doesn't waste your time with "fluff" just the details. So appreciated!
Yea, I tend to skip vids with graffiti on the thumbnail. But, the lack of patron shout-outs, lists of reasons for not posting or a barrage of "uh" and "go ahead" is very welcome. 😂
Can we also just appreciate how much effort Hoover had to put in to bring us this debrief? Tracking down the investigation in Russian, and then having to translate it and make sense of all the information? Thank you Hoover for all you do, and continue to do, in creating a space where we can learn how to be safer pilots.
The passenger (copilot) was a nice guy. Had done his pilot training in the US. Had been ferrying Cessna aircraft across the Atlantic, building hours. Just months before he had gotten a job as a copilot for a private jet company - mainly flying private jets across Russia and western Europe. He covered many of his flights with videos, for TH-cam and blogging on other social media - in English. He was also a father of a little girl. The accident pilot and him were member of the same flight club. The club participated with several aircraft in the event. He was also making videos about the event. His last blog post was about the ferry flight of the club's aircraft to the event. He should have known better than to participate in this AN2 stunt flight. As a commercial pilot he must have been aware of the risk - and the state of the aircraft. Truth is, he probably hopped on this flight because it seemed such a good opportunity for another good video for TH-cam. Very sad. Rest in peace Boris Tylevich.
So sad man, thank you for the back story. Hope the universe is good to his little girl who is without a loving father. Frankly, I probably would have boarded the vintage a/c for a similar “good ride”. No way to know the history of every airplane you board especially if you trust the pilot. And here, it seems the pilot was primarily at fault. Terrible tragedy for everyone. Thank you for the inside information.
Boris was a great guy. Dmitry, too. And Dmitry, of all people, should have known better. But the decision to do low level aerobatics in an An-2 with a passenger aboard was just madness. Of course FATA / Rosaviatsiya talks about the expired airworthiness documents and more, but the ultimate cause of the accident was the very bad decision to do low level aerobatics in a non-aerobatic airplane with an innocent passenger aboard.
I flew in one in the right seat and was definitely impressed about this plane in a stall I want to say around ten or fifteen knots it just quit flying just like a bird landing in a tree
I really like how Hoover treats these topics. He’s very respectful, matter of fact and he’s not about the sensationalism and the shock value. It’s a very clear, educational and brutally honest look at mistakes that pilots make. Not only that, but it’s step-by-step breakdown of a pilot’s decisions, their consequences and things you should do to avoid making these same mistakes. It’s honestly one of the most professional aviation channels out here. Quite refreshing. Should be mandatory viewing for student pilots. P.S. I’d like to see a breakdown of Trevor Jacobson’s “crash”.
I remember that crash so vividly.... my friend was supposed to be in the right seat but Boris asked her to let him go to take nice photos and that saved her life. The crash was absolute shock to us all in the community.
@@snakeplisken4119 There are about 300+ people that were “supposed to be on Buddy Holly’s airplane” and over ten thousand people that “had a meeting in one of the towers” on 9/11. It’s our human nature to say “I was supposed to be on that flight” when all that really happened was they thought about traveling near that date. It’s a comment on human nature.
@motorcyclelad OK, can't quite see it, but I have no reason not to believe you.Sort of a insult to folks and their surviving familys and the actually folks who literally did miss out but I guess if its a thing ,its a thing.Well, learn a new one every day 😉
The pilot had 10 years expirience and unofficial hours POC on AN-2. Around 2000hrs. But all was illegal without the license. And many pilots told him he fly way over the limits. He don't care. Everyone can see the result.
This was both incredibly tragic and incredibly preventable. Thank you for your diligent research into events like this. I always enjoy your videos because you put your knowledge and expertise into your work. Thank you
I got to ride in an AN-2 at a local airshow and actually got about 20 minutes at the controls. Everything happens slowly and she’s really heavy on the ailerons but still a really cool ride.
@@DD-gi6kx The grave yards are full of bold pilots that never thought they were doing something stupid until their luck ran out. And then it was too late when they realized that phrase applied to them
My dad used to fly airshows and had every maneuver carefully planned and always had an escape route. There’s a safe way to fly airshows, then there’s the guys who eventually kill themselves. I see some pilots today flying shows based not on safety, but on the awe effect. Their days are numbered.
I’m not a pilot, so seeing those tiny, modern acrobatic planes are insane… Especially when they basically go straight up and then just start tumbling down. I can’t imagine.
Thank you @pilot-debrief for making such objective and thoughtful videos. I’m a high time Baron pilot and just love your approach to these unfortunate lapses in judgment. Thank you for your time in making me a safer, more responsible pilot. “Superior judgment trumps superior skill always”.
I was at that air show. The time between takeoff and the start of the final loop was very impressive. It was clear that this was atypical for An-2 and a bit dangerous, but it looked impressive. The last loop - at the top point there is surprise with anxiety, the exit from dive towards the audience - and the feeling that something is not right, the last turn - and the understanding that it is end, he not come out of the dive. A dull "thump", a soft bang, the rustle of sliding debris - and silence compared to the sound of a running engine. Well, this show will be remembered for a long time... Since then, looking at aerobatics has been a little... Uncomfortable. I would like it all to be maybe less spectacular, but with a margin of height. And this pilot, as I understand it, was not the first time he had done this on the An-2, but “unofficially.” There were recordings of his performance online some time before the last flight.
Sad to read and see the video of the loss of life in this aircraft. I got to fly one of those in the military version while stationed in S. Korea in the 1980's. I did, in fact, observe a negative groundspeed as seen from the cockpit with reference to the ground as a result of slow speed flight and an accommodating headwind. What was truly eye-opening was stopping on the runway before the first taxiway on the approach end of the landing runway. A very impressive aircraft for what it was to do to support the North Korean military, but you could hear that radial engine for miles which could eliminate a tactical surprise if not accounted for by other measures. Thank you for the excellent debriefs.
I had the wonderful opportunity to fly in one in Croatia about 30 years ago, over the Adriatic islands. It was so incredibly stable and just floated in the air... it is hard to imagine you could actually crash one. I remember all the dials and instructions in Cyrillic, and the huge fuel and oil consumption. Great memories, and sorry to see such a tragic end for such a great plane. 😥
WAY too fast and too low for that turn... Another 100 feet or back off about half the speed, and he'd have been fine. Those planes are REALLY easy to fly... but they're NOT speed-demons. Keep it around 90 to 110 knots, and you CAN do just about anything... ;o)
Words of wisdom in aviation... AND for the Annie, you just about can't crash from above 500 feet. I've (on purpose) stalled at about 1000 and let go of the yoke... Plane RIGHTS ITSELF... The AN-2 is LEGENDARY for being forgiving as aircraft go. The Russians used it in WWII as a TRAINER for parachuting. Instead of packing chutes and flying way up for realzies... they'd send squads out in the AN-2's, to fly in low and slow, and everybody would practice by jumping into snowbanks during the flyby... That's just how low and slow the Annie can fly comfortably if you LET HER... ;o)
I don't fly, but really like your videos and the details you provide. Your presentation is flawless. The most important part is the education that you provide for pilots.
Gorgeous airplane. I would've loved a chance to fly it. I'm very saddened to see it go to waste like this. Even more is to read all the nice things said about the co-pilot who had a TH-cam channel of his own... and a little girl. Losing your father young is a pain like no other for a daughter. 💔 She did not deserve this either. Thank you for so respectfully going through each mistake and helping us learn how this terrible outcome happened. 💔
Now the English-speaking world knows the causes of this accident in Russia, thanks to your research efforts unearthing this official report. Once more, I learned a lot about personal and aircraft limits. Thanks.
The causes of this accidents had been pretty clear already. What this video awesomely added was the whole extra level of carelessness - like no cert plane, no cert PIC, no cert aerobatics - and no seat belt for the passenger!
Also, AFAIK An-2 was often the first type Soviet/Russian new pilots have been sent to serve on just after graduating the flight school. So it's probable the PIC got his 51 hours some 20 years before the catastrophy.
Absolutely. The way the report read, it was basically up to each participant to police themselves and the air boss and other organizers didn't have any responsibility to do that.
it's russia, things are a bit more lax in that part of the world. Their whole outlook on stuff like this is if you want to kill yourself showing off go right ahead.
Watch at 04:31 *They authorized a 300 foot minimum altitude!* Looks like he was flying way too low, maybe only ~293 feet too low as that left wing tip started scraping the ground. Sadly, it was 100% pilot error.
Hey, Lay off my Boy, SKY. I never missed that show ! Unfortunately, Kirby was killed in an Auto Accident on his way to a Shuttle launch at the Kennedy Space Center and Ceremony honoring him ! RIP
@@linanicolia1363 Yeah... Too bad "Close" only counts in Horseshoes, Hand Grenades, and Small Nuclear Devices... AND only for certain circumstances on the Nuclear Devices... ;o)
Back in 1994 invited to a flight as a passenger sitting in the forward passenger starboard seat between the wings in an An-2 Colt. So pleased after first landing to then having a second flight. At a safe altitude around cloud level the Pilot did fly into head wind and did perfectly safely stop in the air then fly backwards. Then the Pilot put's it into first gear or what ever it is he does and it smoothly moves off forwards. I instantly loved the aircraft like you would a trusty old Cart Horse or Tractor as if it is a living thing with character where "it" knows what it can do. Even as a passenger plane it is very agricultural and could never see it (in my view) as an acrobat or race horse. Before taking off watched the co-Pilot check the oil level with a Dip-stick. Looking into the cockpit area it's like some kind of Steam Train with levers. Starting and taxiing out it's like holding back the reins of a horse on the brakes before it opens up trundles into the sky. Watching this video and the report, although not an expert and only been on an AN-2 as a passenger one time it is a stately aircraft. I have wondered about this sad tragic accident in the past and now watching this and the information in the report it does make sense.
Als eine der besten Junioren Modellbauern, habe ich vor ca 45 Jahren, ein Flug Flug mit AN-2 zum 400km entfernte Ferienlager gewonnen. Der Pilot war der Flughafenchef selbst. Gleich am Anfang müssten wir Öl austauschen deswegen bot man uns, dass wir uns an der Propeller zu zweit hängen um Drehung durch Drehung, das alte Öl abzupumpen. Da ich bisher nur mit Linienflugzeuge geflogen bin, war das für mich etwas unangenehm, da holprig. Die Scheibe im Cockpit war an mehrere Stellen zerbrochen und provisorisch mit einem Band fixiert. Das Klo war ein Loch, der nur mit eine Klappe vom Aussenwelt getrennt war. Nach eine Weile fragte uns der Kapitän, wer von uns zum ersten Mal fliegt und dann hat uns informiert, dass man diese jugendliche taufen muss und hat gleich Motor gedrosselt und ist in die steile Sinkflug gegangen.... Wir haben uns nacheinander auf'm Boden übergeben und seit dem nicht mehr Karten gespielt. Die Kotze ist ganze Zeit nach vorne und hinten geflossen, nach Landung haben wir Lotterie gemacht und ich war der glückliche der das ganze aufräumen musste, igitt. Zwei Wochen später war der Rückflug, Polen war total überflutet. Als wir landen wollten, hat man uns keine Genehmigung erteilt, da alles nass. Wir sind zum nächsten Flughafen geflogen und dort dürften wir auch nicht landen, also kamen wir zurück zu den ersten Flugplatz und haben wir trotz Absage gelandet danach hat unser Kapitän mächtig mit seinem Vertreter gestritten.
As a Pilot, i was above 4000 feet and turned to 80 deg and the plane just dropped vertically like a knife as i was expecting but was a learning experience and why i did it high to allow recovery. when you do aerobatics training you learn all about the limits and how to recover much more than in basic flying training and fi you dont understand the limits a wing can make lift and fool around near the ground, you are in a world of hurt....
Wow, a litany of mistakes, how could the PIC even think he could pilot the plane, plus the lack of seatbelt from the FO. Sad loss of a piece of history and another piece of history made
The crucial word in the (mis)translation is "due to the EXTRACTION of cable wiring" which I didn't get until I understood what the overspeed caused. It was cable stretching. At that point the pilot was along for the ride, and he must have known it. Full left aileron was a fond hope.
As with a lot of "accidents", it is an accumulation of a number of smaller mistakes that in themselves are benign, but taken together produce the result we see here. These events are never inevitable nor are they unforeseen. It's a tragic and avoidable waste of two lives.
Even if the PIC didn’t care about the copilots safety, anyone not strapped in can kill you like a missile when they are launched in an accident. I flew in a Yak once and the seatbelt was terribly hard to make sure it was latched. Maybe the copilot thought he was belted in but the Russian latch fooled him
My goodness, if he was in the US he absolutely destroyed almost every rule in 14 CFR 91.303. What's worse In my opinion, those requirements are too low. My personal minumums are 5000 feet and I go over the water so there's NO ONE on the ground that I could potentially harm.
Thanks for confirmation. I was always interested in the outcome of this one. You could pretty much see from all the different footage what happened. Even the boot full of right rudder.
One of these crashed recently during takeoff in Sweden, it failed to gain altitude and crashed into trees at the end of the grass runway. The pilot allegedly stated he had no clue why the crash happened.
The troubling part to me is the lack of maintenance on this aircraft. Since the Ukrainian war, the Russians have been cannibalizing other aircraft for parts since they are under an embargo. There are strict certification procedures for this sort of thing but I suspect that they are not being followed. Even if Zelenskyy and Putin kiss and make up tomorrow, there is no way I'm setting foot on a Russian airplane.
This sounds eerily similar to a crash in South Africa where they were also a vintage aircraft. The two pilots in that case were very experienced on commercial airliners, but had almost zero experience with the vintage aircraft in question and weren't qualified to fly it in South Africa.
Had a friend who flew in a taildragger with an international airline captain who had to be shown how to take off in a taildragger. They both died in the resultant crash.
I flew aerobatics for a few years in a Pitts. I just dont know why, in that aircraft, he would go full left aileron that close to the ground. Maybe trying to turn away from the crowd. It was recoverable on exit of the barrel roll but not with full aileron. What I learnt with aeros was the danger of trying to fix a mistake in a competition when you are close to the ground. Take the low score and try again but never descent below your minimum - ever.
An-2 is "flying 1.5 tonner", GAZ Gazelle in modern world, Russian Ford Transit, 1.5t load/12passengers commercial van/light truck. It is not designed for aerobatics at all, just for slow steady flights between unpaved runways without good services and repairs. It is very difficult to break it or lose control, but from the other side many accidents happened when Cucuruznik (right translation will be something like Maizer, there is nothing corresponding to Duster in Russian world, "cucuruza" is just Maiz/Corn and suffix "nik" means "having some relation to") just gets far out of its limit by wheather, wind, temperature, load, fuel quality, cows on runway, drunk pilots and so on. In this case they tried to make a show on old rusty Transit with predictable result - could not cope with control and rolled to ditch. Yes, it is possible, I am very proud of what I did on my Gazelle (some tricks can be found in my channel), but it is just circus, not a use the machine designed for. Expired certificate does not matter. It is just Soviet bureaucratic thing. If I have some type or endorsement in my licence it is forever as the licence can disappear only if it is surrended, cancelled or revoked, but in this case PIC had "an2 type" in his old "flight certificate" which is full equivalent of western licences but regularly reissued as it is completely new, not only renewed or reconfirmed with automatic transfer of all types, endorsements and so on.
I watched enough Russian car crash videos to learn that there isn't anything to learn from them. Except to not drive on Russian roads. Seems like Russian flying is much like Russian driving.
Great analysis! It's absolutely mind bending that such inexperienced pilot was allowed to fly during an air show - the risk of crashing and killing many people on the ground was totally ignored!
I flew on this baby back in 1992 when I visited Poland. A local sky diving club was using it for taking up the sky divers. A buddy of mine that currently flies the 787, was the pilot and took me up. The AN2 is one unbelievable airplane. Can take a lot of sky divers, and the takeoff distance and the landing roll is unbelievable. I'm surprised that there's not a lot of those in Alaska, used for bush flying.
One of those you things you can’t believe you’re seeing happen. Imagine stressing the control system to the point of actually stretching cables. Thanks for the usual thorough reporting Hoover.
thats just scary . I wanted to be a pilot back early 90s until that little plane lifted off the ground a few feet and discovered my greatest fear on earth was heights! pisses me off to I still want to but just cant , I take afraid of heights to a level most haven't seen, Ive never freaked out in my life over anything , just that day !
I also am afflicted by acrophobia, I believe it is the fear of heights like looking over the edge of a building. I found tho that flying an aircraft did not give me that terrible feeling. You gotta do your homework and put your trust in Clyde Cessna or good ol’ Bill Piper.
Crashed an An-2, The Unstallable/Uncrashable An-2 (from my experience of flying it during the Polish Soviet Goverment, not flown by permission but airbase acess with friend/Komander in afganistan), W H A T ? . . .
An acquaintance here near Vancouver, BC bought one and flew back from Moscow. Took forever at 100 MPH and a king's ransom in fuel but a fantastic airplane he said
Great video. These are all over Europe an mostly cargo carriers able to land on grass fields. And I discovered 3 tucked away at a farm when on a Red Cross training exercise and it certainly didn't look like a runway to me. As a "truck" the parachute clubs love them because they can haul a LOT of chutists for those big cluster formations and throttle back to low speeds for the jump. Yes they are rugged and pound over really rough fields. Strangely I never saw any do aerobatics of shown in this video. Sad to see this AN-2 torn up with the loss of the crew.
You really do such a great job in describing the incident ! Not only does your explanation reveal pertinent data , but also gives the viewer a hard-fact education to be applied to their own endeavor to fly. Good job!👍🤔
Thank You for your commentary. Very well done! simple, clear and objective with the utmost respect for family and viewers. The time that you dedicate to your videos on top of all your other jobs and responsibilities is gratefully appreciated and most informative. You are excellent at what you do! and again Thank You!
I flew down to Sun n Fun several years cack in one of these. Damn thing bobbed up and down like a boat on the ocean, only time in my flying career I got air sick. Did get some stick time in the beast, very heavy on the controls. Has air brakes for ground control.
Why am I addicted to your videos? I am also addicted to the American version of Air Disasters. As a kid in the 70s and 80s, I flew on those DC-10s almost every year. I'm lucky to be alive. I'll never fly again.
would be interesting to note which exact variant of AN II this would be... but, this did immediately look far too fast for me... (have flown as a passenger on AN II a number of times) whilst this is not a plane for acrobatics, because it was used as a crop-duster it did regularly preform the sort of sharp maneuvers needed for that industry... however, it was an inherently non-stable all manual control type of vehicle... with a very basic design, you had to constantly deal with a lot of turbulence from your own wing-struts and other non aerodynamic elements, (which made it very unpopular with many passengers) so, at 300km/h, I cannot imagine the vibration he would be getting!!! given the maneuver he attempted, he probably snapped some of those cables to be honest... they were never very strong.
So you have a un maintained plane with expired paperwork and certifications flown by a no longer licensed pilot with a 2nd pilot who is a pilot in name only, not even bothering to strap himself in. Plus the AN 2 is not even rated to go as fast or do what the pilot was doing. This plane protected the pilot right up until the wing dug into the ground. Even at that point, the wings broke free from the fuselage absorbing a lot of the crash energy. This is strictly on the pilot. And the air show safety officer, if there even was one.
Russia is a real puzzle to Westerners. Some of the greatest artistic, math, music, science, and technical achievements in human history, and yet… at pretty much ever important national decision point, they choose what seems, to us, to be the worst possible path. That historical tendency to behave badly translates down to personal behavior of professionals (often assisted by alcohol) that sometimes looks amazingly negligent and cavalier, as in this case and in many others you aviation buffs are probably familiar with. There is a great documentary here somewhere, made in the 90s when the Russians agreed to fly a couple of those fearsome Bear bombers to a British airshow. The English reporter that rode along experienced some serious enlightenment as to the behavior of Russian aircrew!
PZL M-15 Bephegor was slightly larger single engine biplane (22 meters of wingspan vs 18 m.) and... it was probably made by the same factory, since a lot of An-2's flying in Russia were produced in Mielec, Poland.
@@pilot-debrief yes, you really drilled down to the root causes…. what happened with the ailerons and the control cable stretching is a phenomenon I’d never heard of before…. you really took the time to study the info, very much appreciated…
i've learned more about aviation from this channel than i have anywhere else... i don't fly and i have never learned about aviation anywhere else but still. every video 10/10
Thank you very much. Also, I have heard that after they were stopped in production in Russia, that they were still being produced in Poland, you have any knowledge of that. Thanks again and have a nice day.
Just as the Beech 18 is also not certified for aerobatic maneuvers, Matt Younkin deftly demonstrates otherwise. if you watch his performance closely, you will see that his loops and barrel rolls are accomplished with very little Gs. It is an art which must be learned specific to each aircraft. He rarely will put the plane through any critical moves near the ground though, which is why he continues to fly and has for decades without serious incidents. The Beech is also impeccably maintained by one person.
My grandfather had a Cessna 180 and would take us for rides over the farm fields of Toledo, Iowa. When us boys got a little older he would do some barrel rolls and loops on our ride. It was amazing, you hardly felt any force on your body, he flew that plane like a bird, effortless. Just like Matt's Beech, his Cessna wasn't placarded for aerobatic maneuvers either. He started flying as a teenager in the 20's, hand built 2 airplanes, one in the 40's and another in the 50's which my mom had not so happy childhood memories of helping out. She and my Grandmother did all the covering which was cloth & dope. Sadly, the 2nd plane was destroyed in the 60's when a tornado hit the airport which led to his purchase of the Cessna 180. He was a heavy equipment mechanic supervisor for a road construction company. He would use the plane to fly around picking up / delivering parts and tools out to wherever the equipment was that broke down. Since they did road construction, he often just landed right on the roadway. You never worried about flying with Grandpa because you knew if anything happened, he'd just set it right down on the nearest road or field.
He ends up with nearly 90 degrees of bank. Keep in mind, it takes 9G's to maintain level flight at 83.62 degrees of bank. If you are at 83.6 degrees and pulling for your life to attempt to level off, your going to need about 20G's to make that happen. The human limit is around ~ 11G That airframe is good for about 5G. What he needed to do, was continue pulling at maximum structural G-limit, and roll with full right aileron simultaneously applying slightly more right rudder than necessary for coordinated flight, use the right rudder to counter adverse-yaw at high AoA/High CLmax. And give it more boot to assist the roll-out and make it happen faster than the plane can aileron roll under normal situations. But, this pilot lacked the basic skills of a pilot.
The fact he applied right-rudder one second AFTER right-aileron confirms Zero pilot ability. If your aileron goes right, your rudder goes right. It happens simultaneously. Any pilot worth his weight, will mentally/subconsciously lead with rudder ever so slightly, because its easier to coordinate your hands with your feet, than vice versa. So you lead with your feet and your hands follow in perfect sync. In an emergency, you lead with full boot and apply full lateral whack.
That is unbelievable. Thank you very much for this investigation and description of what happened. If the pic was a 747-Pilot, why did he not know and flew inside the "envelope" of the An-2?
It's very chilling to see an actual photograph of the pilot's hands on the controls one second before impact, knowing that that control input is a desperate attempt to save his life. But it just came far too late.
Love the Flying Info! I don't fly but always was Intrigued about planes and flying as A Young Boy. Us to Build those Estes Rockets when I was in Grade school....... Have Never flown In A small Plane....... would Love to! I'm 65, so time is running out... Thanks Again Hoover
MAK (which is Russia's NTSB) reports aren't hidden. They appear on their website, with public access and all, and the methodology used is very similar, if not identical, to NTSB's one. But the reports are in Russian indeed.
In short he flew so fast it stretched or broke the flight control cables due to the high pressure on the ailerons and rudder when he did the hard left pulling out of the dive. Then it was impossible to level out.
Condolences to the families of both pilots. Having said that, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. This guy was flying a plane that shouldn't have been allowed to leave the ground, much less perform in an airshow. There were SOOO many things wrong with this scenario that the outcome was pretty much inevitable. Sad.
That was nice clean breakdown of events . Nice job! But ultimately I believe the full responsibility and accountability belongs to the airboss and organization that hosted the airshow . They most certainly skipped their due diligence. Being sure that your pilots are qualified and fit to preform and their equipment is technically fit is their responsibility first and foremost. Obviously the pilots and every one involved is responsible for safety of the public a d the performers. But the buck stops with the airboss.
You did quite a lot of excellent work on this one Hoover, translating all those pages. It never ceases to amaze me the kind of risks people take. Here you have an aircraft not even airworthy, doing things its not designed to do, beyond its structural limits. What would one expect? Interesting aircraft though, that is for certain.
Thank you for the analysis. I disagree with your conclusion regarding the co-pilot's seat belt. A loop ended early also ends the centrifugal force keeping you in the seat. Also, the distance between seats means that this final turn 9:41 would have him sliding from his seat into the picture and the pilot. The report seems to indicate that he belted himself but not properly.
The key takeaway to me is that when a plane is overspeed, you assume control surfaces will actually have more effect than normal, however, aerodynamic pressure can actually prevent them from operating. I had this happen once when I botched a roll, went over speed, and couldn't change pitch for a few very long seconds after. It's very important to keep in mind, since there is a temptation to think a plane with a long safety history is overbuilt, and / or that your skills might keep loading low even in unusual attitudes.
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You know what I like the most about this channel? He gets right to the point! He doesn't waste your time with "fluff" just the details. So appreciated!
And he does the talking to instead of that stupid AI fake accents
I could do without the click baity looking thumbnails and captions. Unnecessary red arrows and circles, etc.
@@andrewdynes5300 Everybody does that
Yea, I tend to skip vids with graffiti on the thumbnail. But, the lack of patron shout-outs, lists of reasons for not posting or a barrage of "uh" and "go ahead" is very welcome. 😂
I’m grateful Hoover doesn’t subject us to his own music, utterly scattered delivery, and constant reminders of what’s coming up next lol
Can we also just appreciate how much effort Hoover had to put in to bring us this debrief? Tracking down the investigation in Russian, and then having to translate it and make sense of all the information? Thank you Hoover for all you do, and continue to do, in creating a space where we can learn how to be safer pilots.
👏👏. Thank you, Hoover!
The passenger (copilot) was a nice guy. Had done his pilot training in the US. Had been ferrying Cessna aircraft across the Atlantic, building hours. Just months before he had gotten a job as a copilot for a private jet company - mainly flying private jets across Russia and western Europe. He covered many of his flights with videos, for TH-cam and blogging on other social media - in English. He was also a father of a little girl. The accident pilot and him were member of the same flight club. The club participated with several aircraft in the event. He was also making videos about the event. His last blog post was about the ferry flight of the club's aircraft to the event. He should have known better than to participate in this AN2 stunt flight. As a commercial pilot he must have been aware of the risk - and the state of the aircraft. Truth is, he probably hopped on this flight because it seemed such a good opportunity for another good video for TH-cam. Very sad. Rest in peace Boris Tylevich.
So tragic.
So sad man, thank you for the back story. Hope the universe is good to his little girl who is without a loving father. Frankly, I probably would have boarded the vintage a/c for a similar “good ride”. No way to know the history of every airplane you board especially if you trust the pilot. And here, it seems the pilot was primarily at fault. Terrible tragedy for everyone. Thank you for the inside information.
Yet ... he failed to wear a seatbelt on a stunt flight. Highly irresponsible.
Boris was a great guy. Dmitry, too. And Dmitry, of all people, should have known better. But the decision to do low level aerobatics in an An-2 with a passenger aboard was just madness. Of course FATA / Rosaviatsiya talks about the expired airworthiness documents and more, but the ultimate cause of the accident was the very bad decision to do low level aerobatics in a non-aerobatic airplane with an innocent passenger aboard.
Thanks for Info! RIP Pilots😕
In 1996 I attended an airshow in Norfolk, VA and watched an AN-2 do that hover as you mentioned. As a pilot I was stunned by all that lift!
Especially so given how big an aircraft it is. 👍
@@commerce-usaactually, it takes a large wing and lots of wing area to generate lift. Bigger usually flies better.
I flew in one in the right seat and was definitely impressed about this plane in a stall I want to say around ten or fifteen knots it just quit flying just like a bird landing in a tree
it makes a great bush flying airplane.
I'm pretty sure I was at that same airshow in 96.
I really like how Hoover treats these topics. He’s very respectful, matter of fact and he’s not about the sensationalism and the shock value. It’s a very clear, educational and brutally honest look at mistakes that pilots make. Not only that, but it’s step-by-step breakdown of a pilot’s decisions, their consequences and things you should do to avoid making these same mistakes. It’s honestly one of the most professional aviation channels out here. Quite refreshing.
Should be mandatory viewing for student pilots.
P.S. I’d like to see a breakdown of Trevor Jacobson’s “crash”.
I remember that crash so vividly.... my friend was supposed to be in the right seat but Boris asked her to let him go to take nice photos and that saved her life. The crash was absolute shock to us all in the community.
Buddy Holly was supposed to be on that plane as well.
@@motorcycleladNot funny in the least.You are either a troll or simply a goof
@@snakeplisken4119 There are about 300+ people that were “supposed to be on Buddy Holly’s airplane” and over ten thousand people that “had a meeting in one of the towers” on 9/11. It’s our human nature to say “I was supposed to be on that flight” when all that really happened was they thought about traveling near that date. It’s a comment on human nature.
@motorcyclelad OK, can't quite see it, but I have no reason not to believe you.Sort of a insult to folks and their surviving familys and the actually folks who literally did miss out but I guess if its a thing ,its a thing.Well, learn a new one every day 😉
Low altitude aerobatics in some old piece of shit.. You can hardly call it an accident
So.....a low time AN 2 pilot....flying a unispected....waaayyy overtimed engine...doing low level acrobatics. What could go wrong?
Thanks for the TLDW.
Don't forget he wasn't even wearing his seat belt.
@@robertkorndon’t think a seatbelt would’ve saved him anyways?
The pilot had 10 years expirience and unofficial hours POC on AN-2. Around 2000hrs. But all was illegal without the license. And many pilots told him he fly way over the limits. He don't care. Everyone can see the result.
@@crazyralph6386 It might have had - but we will never know now as he had not had it fastened.
Retired airline guy here. Learned quite a lot while watching this video. Great job, subscribed.
This was both incredibly tragic and incredibly preventable. Thank you for your diligent research into events like this. I always enjoy your videos because you put your knowledge and expertise into your work. Thank you
Thanks for watching! Glad you enjoy them!
I got to ride in an AN-2 at a local airshow and actually got about 20 minutes at the controls. Everything happens slowly and she’s really heavy on the ailerons but still a really cool ride.
That's the AN-2's way of reminding the PIC that he's a working aircraft. Not a toy or stunt plane.
Yes I too got some right seat time in an AN-2. Very heavy on the ailerons.
@@BryanC-h1j: Why did you reply to yourself to repeat the aileron behavior you wrote 8 months earlier, like you were responding to someone else?
He’s the definition of “no old bold pilots” . Excellent debrief! Thank you for sharing
There are many Old Bold Pilots. But not "Stupid Old Bold Pilots". That pilot was Molto Stupido.
stop just saying stupid stuff, there are many old bold pilots
edit, didn't see CFIT...reply when I posted mine
@@DD-gi6kx The grave yards are full of bold pilots that never thought they were doing something stupid until their luck ran out. And then it was too late when they realized that phrase applied to them
@@DD-gi6kx Not CFIT. He stalled it and went down.
@@DD-gi6kxso rude and so unnecessary. There's nothing wrong with what he said.
Wow! So many “red flags”. But flying acrobatics low to the ground in a plane not designed for them is very stupid or arrogant or both.
Simple Russian mentality
indeedly. the An-2 "Colt" is really a Transport Category plane and had no business trying to do aerobatics.
I was REALLY surprised to see how low he was in the final left turn... no way he's coming out of that.
Russki’s , wud ya expect
Yerp, never going to end well for any aircraft trying out a floor routine
I'm proud to have logged a few 700hrs on the type. It's an amazing plane that forgives a lot of errors but teaches a lot, easier to fly than a C206
My dad used to fly airshows and had every maneuver carefully planned and always had an escape route. There’s a safe way to fly airshows, then there’s the guys who eventually kill themselves. I see some pilots today flying shows based not on safety, but on the awe effect. Their days are numbered.
I’m not a pilot, so seeing those tiny, modern acrobatic planes are insane… Especially when they basically go straight up and then just start tumbling down. I can’t imagine.
And unfortunately every now and then the crowd underneath them days are numbered.
I have been doing aerobatics for almost 40 years, never under 3.000ft. So I am still alive. Airshows should be banned.
“If it saves just one life…”
Steve-O made an amazing recovery. Had no idea he was an aviation enthusiast ;)
It's been a long journey 😉
@@pilot-debrief Good reply 🤣🤣🤣
I almost spit up my water I was drinking!
hahah imagine telling the real Steve-O ... Hey I didn't knew you were also a Fighter Pilot XD
Holy shit. It was bugging me who he reminded me of! Thank you!
Thank you @pilot-debrief for making such objective and thoughtful videos. I’m a high time Baron pilot and just love your approach to these unfortunate lapses in judgment. Thank you for your time in making me a safer, more responsible pilot. “Superior judgment trumps superior skill always”.
I was at that air show.
The time between takeoff and the start of the final loop was very impressive.
It was clear that this was atypical for An-2 and a bit dangerous, but it looked impressive.
The last loop - at the top point there is surprise with anxiety, the exit from dive towards the audience - and the feeling that something is not right, the last turn - and the understanding that it is end, he not come out of the dive. A dull "thump", a soft bang, the rustle of sliding debris - and silence compared to the sound of a running engine.
Well, this show will be remembered for a long time... Since then, looking at aerobatics has been a little... Uncomfortable. I would like it all to be maybe less spectacular, but with a margin of height.
And this pilot, as I understand it, was not the first time he had done this on the An-2, but “unofficially.” There were recordings of his performance online some time before the last flight.
Are you a writer? You should be. That was very descriptive.😊
Every aircraft is acrobatic, but some only once
Aerobatic
@@oscarjonesxxx2893 Once they hit the ground it becomes "acrobatic"
@@KenFullman You mean agrobatic?
@@JP-xd6fm That's terrafying.
The last foot is always a killer.
Sad to read and see the video of the loss of life in this aircraft. I got to fly one of those in the military version while stationed in S. Korea in the 1980's. I did, in fact, observe a negative groundspeed as seen from the cockpit with reference to the ground as a result of slow speed flight and an accommodating headwind. What was truly eye-opening was stopping on the runway before the first taxiway on the approach end of the landing runway. A very impressive aircraft for what it was to do to support the North Korean military, but you could hear that radial engine for miles which could eliminate a tactical surprise if not accounted for by other measures. Thank you for the excellent debriefs.
I had the wonderful opportunity to fly in one in Croatia about 30 years ago, over the Adriatic islands. It was so incredibly stable and just floated in the air... it is hard to imagine you could actually crash one. I remember all the dials and instructions in Cyrillic, and the huge fuel and oil consumption. Great memories, and sorry to see such a tragic end for such a great plane. 😥
30 years ago.. During the war?
I've flown the AN-2, and his mistake was not being level, or nose up to the ground. It's called sink rate.
Too low........
WAY too fast and too low for that turn... Another 100 feet or back off about half the speed, and he'd have been fine. Those planes are REALLY easy to fly... but they're NOT speed-demons. Keep it around 90 to 110 knots, and you CAN do just about anything... ;o)
You mean DIVING at high airspeed.
He failed to reduce bank angle SLIGHTLY and continue pulling.
If he reduced bank angle by ~ 10 degrees he would be alive.
😢Side slip...no?
My dad was a veteran light aircraft flight instructor and examiner and he always said that whenever you're near the ground you are vulnerable.
Well that makes sense
Wow, your dad was " a veteran light aircraft" , when did he gain his wings and his airworthy certificate ???😏
Words of wisdom in aviation... AND for the Annie, you just about can't crash from above 500 feet. I've (on purpose) stalled at about 1000 and let go of the yoke... Plane RIGHTS ITSELF... The AN-2 is LEGENDARY for being forgiving as aircraft go. The Russians used it in WWII as a TRAINER for parachuting. Instead of packing chutes and flying way up for realzies... they'd send squads out in the AN-2's, to fly in low and slow, and everybody would practice by jumping into snowbanks during the flyby... That's just how low and slow the Annie can fly comfortably if you LET HER... ;o)
@@gnarthdarkanen7464 Thou dost prevaricate.
@@brucepickess8097 haha edited!
I don't fly, but really like your videos and the details you provide. Your presentation is flawless. The most important part is the education that you provide for pilots.
I was not expecting the specs on that thing to be so cool
Gorgeous airplane. I would've loved a chance to fly it. I'm very saddened to see it go to waste like this. Even more is to read all the nice things said about the co-pilot who had a TH-cam channel of his own... and a little girl. Losing your father young is a pain like no other for a daughter. 💔 She did not deserve this either. Thank you for so respectfully going through each mistake and helping us learn how this terrible outcome happened. 💔
Now the English-speaking world knows the causes of this accident in Russia, thanks to your research efforts unearthing this official report. Once more, I learned a lot about personal and aircraft limits. Thanks.
You're welcome and I'm glad you learned something new!
@pilot-debrief any tips to start a aviation youtube channel? I'm planning start one
The causes of this accidents had been pretty clear already. What this video awesomely added was the whole extra level of carelessness - like no cert plane, no cert PIC, no cert aerobatics - and no seat belt for the passenger!
@@mykola2 agreed
Wow, I didnt know that doing low slow 80 degree bank turns could make you hit the ground. Wowww !!
As a VFR single engine pilot, I strongly recommend all pilots to watch and learn from these videos.
pilor?
@@ΕΥΘΥΜΙΟΣΜΑΛΙΑΡΙΤΗΣ lol... Thx I corrected the typo.
Also, AFAIK An-2 was often the first type Soviet/Russian new pilots have been sent to serve on just after graduating the flight school. So it's probable the PIC got his 51 hours some 20 years before the catastrophy.
He was a bold pilot. And.... that's all.
There are no old bold pilots.
@@christopherweise438really? Chuck Yeager wasn't bold?
@@christopherweise438what about Jimmy Doolitle? Was he not bold?
@@christopherweise438Bob Hoover? Does he not count as being bold enough?
@@christopherweise438and Charles freaking Lindbergh? Guess he wasn't bold either.
Due diligence of the airshow organizers or the lack there of is a major contributor to this accident.
Absolutely. The way the report read, it was basically up to each participant to police themselves and the air boss and other organizers didn't have any responsibility to do that.
it's russia, things are a bit more lax in that part of the world. Their whole outlook on stuff like this is if you want to kill yourself showing off go right ahead.
Wow, that’s tragic and criminal that the air show organizers were so cavalier
@@F1fan007 Heh, this must be your first airshow. You'd be surprised how common this is (even in America).
Watch at 04:31 *They authorized a 300 foot minimum altitude!*
Looks like he was flying way too low, maybe only ~293 feet too low
as that left wing tip started scraping the ground. Sadly, it was 100% pilot error.
Aside from the great content and great audio. The delivery from an intellectual and humble pilot/ person is very impressive
Condolences to the families. Very sorry for your loss.
As the saying goes…”There are old pilots and there are bold pilots, but there are no old, bold pilots”
Pretty sure I've seen this comment under every aircraft accident video I've seen but it's true.
@@TheTruthKiwi probably the first thing my instructor told me when I started flying
I’ve known several old and bold pilots- just not stupid ones.
you post this after every crash LOL
@@errorsofmodernism7331 lol
This dude is the definition of just winging it. He makes Sky King look like a meticulous flight planner by comparison.
Hey, Lay off my Boy, SKY. I never missed that show ! Unfortunately, Kirby was killed in an Auto Accident on his way to a Shuttle launch at the Kennedy Space Center and Ceremony honoring him ! RIP
@@williamhendley525 Kirby died because he didn't have his seat belt fastened. A stupid way to die for such a smart and competent guy.
He was so close, to making it.
@@linanicolia1363 Yeah... Too bad "Close" only counts in Horseshoes, Hand Grenades, and Small Nuclear Devices... AND only for certain circumstances on the Nuclear Devices... ;o)
Sky King was an amazing aviator.
Back in 1994 invited to a flight as a passenger sitting in the forward passenger starboard seat between the wings in an An-2 Colt. So pleased after first landing to then having a second flight. At a safe altitude around cloud level the Pilot did fly into head wind and did perfectly safely stop in the air then fly backwards. Then the Pilot put's it into first gear or what ever it is he does and it smoothly moves off forwards. I instantly loved the aircraft like you would a trusty old Cart Horse or Tractor as if it is a living thing with character where "it" knows what it can do. Even as a passenger plane it is very agricultural and could never see it (in my view) as an acrobat or race horse. Before taking off watched the co-Pilot check the oil level with a Dip-stick. Looking into the cockpit area it's like some kind of Steam Train with levers. Starting and taxiing out it's like holding back the reins of a horse on the brakes before it opens up trundles into the sky. Watching this video and the report, although not an expert and only been on an AN-2 as a passenger one time it is a stately aircraft. I have wondered about this sad tragic accident in the past and now watching this and the information in the report it does make sense.
It feels very much like flying a tractor, or a semi-trailer. Very heavy and slow.
2:42 😂😂😂😂 someone dropped a F bomb lol. But all jokes aside! Love the content. Just found your channel last week.
Als eine der besten Junioren Modellbauern, habe ich vor ca 45 Jahren, ein Flug Flug mit AN-2 zum 400km entfernte Ferienlager gewonnen.
Der Pilot war der Flughafenchef selbst. Gleich am Anfang müssten wir Öl austauschen deswegen bot man uns, dass wir uns an der Propeller zu zweit hängen um Drehung durch Drehung, das alte Öl abzupumpen.
Da ich bisher nur mit Linienflugzeuge geflogen bin, war das für mich etwas unangenehm, da holprig. Die Scheibe im Cockpit war an mehrere Stellen zerbrochen und provisorisch mit einem Band fixiert. Das Klo war ein Loch, der nur mit eine Klappe vom Aussenwelt getrennt war.
Nach eine Weile fragte uns der Kapitän, wer von uns zum ersten Mal fliegt und dann hat uns informiert, dass man diese jugendliche taufen muss und hat gleich Motor gedrosselt und ist in die steile Sinkflug gegangen....
Wir haben uns nacheinander auf'm Boden übergeben und seit dem nicht mehr Karten gespielt.
Die Kotze ist ganze Zeit nach vorne und hinten geflossen, nach Landung haben wir Lotterie gemacht und ich war der glückliche der das ganze aufräumen musste, igitt.
Zwei Wochen später war der Rückflug, Polen war total überflutet. Als wir landen wollten, hat man uns keine Genehmigung erteilt, da alles nass. Wir sind zum nächsten Flughafen geflogen und dort dürften wir auch nicht landen, also kamen wir zurück zu den ersten Flugplatz und haben wir trotz Absage gelandet danach hat unser Kapitän mächtig mit seinem Vertreter gestritten.
As a Pilot, i was above 4000 feet and turned to 80 deg and the plane just dropped vertically like a knife as i was expecting but was a learning experience and why i did it high to allow recovery. when you do aerobatics training you learn all about the limits and how to recover much more than in basic flying training and fi you dont understand the limits a wing can make lift and fool around near the ground, you are in a world of hurt....
At that angle I’m sure your vertical lift component is almost negligible.
At 45 degrees vertical lift component is 70%, at 80 degrees, 16%
Wow, a litany of mistakes, how could the PIC even think he could pilot the plane, plus the lack of seatbelt from the FO. Sad loss of a piece of history and another piece of history made
Piece of history? The AN2? There is plenty of them, this one was a clapped out piece of shit that should have been scrapped a long time ago
The crucial word in the (mis)translation is "due to the EXTRACTION of cable wiring" which I didn't get until I understood what the overspeed caused. It was cable stretching. At that point the pilot was along for the ride, and he must have known it. Full left aileron was a fond hope.
His poor flying is the fault. You are desperately attempting to shift blame like any Commie would...
Not a pilot but love the analysis you provide for these air-failures. Sensitivity for the victims is appreciated . Rock on.
As with a lot of "accidents", it is an accumulation of a number of smaller mistakes that in themselves are benign, but taken together produce the result we see here. These events are never inevitable nor are they unforeseen. It's a tragic and avoidable waste of two lives.
How was the co pilot participating in those aerobatics and not wearing a seatbelt !
Russian pilots 'fuel' themselves up as well prior to flight. That may have affected his judgement.
Like unsecured cargo.
Vodka maybe?
Even if the PIC didn’t care about the copilots safety, anyone not strapped in can kill you like a missile when they are launched in an accident. I flew in a Yak once and the seatbelt was terribly hard to make sure it was latched. Maybe the copilot thought he was belted in but the Russian latch fooled him
My goodness, if he was in the US he absolutely destroyed almost every rule in 14 CFR 91.303. What's worse In my opinion, those requirements are too low. My personal minumums are 5000 feet and I go over the water so there's NO ONE on the ground that I could potentially harm.
Just don't do aerobatics in this plane, period!
@@pilot-debrief He'll never do that again. Learned his lesson
Great presentation as always, thanks Hoover.
Absolutely! I appreciate you watching!
Thanks for confirmation. I was always interested in the outcome of this one. You could pretty much see from all the different footage what happened. Even the boot full of right rudder.
One of these crashed recently during takeoff in Sweden, it failed to gain altitude and crashed into trees at the end of the grass runway.
The pilot allegedly stated he had no clue why the crash happened.
Global warming
Will not climb unless you really push forward and bring the nose down after lift-off.
@@hotrodray6802axe not sharp enough little man?
The troubling part to me is the lack of maintenance on this aircraft. Since the Ukrainian war, the Russians have been cannibalizing other aircraft for parts since they are under an embargo. There are strict certification procedures for this sort of thing but I suspect that they are not being followed. Even if Zelenskyy and Putin kiss and make up tomorrow, there is no way I'm setting foot on a Russian airplane.
Or spacecraft
@@kenbrownfield6584 "This is uh-Russian uh-Space-uh-station. Wary complicated. TOUCH NUTHING."
It was a human error, not the plane’s fault.
It was 2017
Nor even the Western aircraft that Putin impounded. They should be ferried out of Russia after its capitulation and used only for spares.
This sounds eerily similar to a crash in South Africa where they were also a vintage aircraft. The two pilots in that case were very experienced on commercial airliners, but had almost zero experience with the vintage aircraft in question and weren't qualified to fly it in South Africa.
Had a friend who flew in a taildragger with an international airline captain who had to be shown how to take off in a taildragger. They both died in the resultant crash.
Why hasn't anyone noticed the wings are at 90 deg to the ground at only 800 ft of altitude??????
90° at 800' is not particularly dangerous.
Not a problem, if the airspeed is kept up and the wings are kept loaded.
@@SoloPilot6
At 1 G the airplane doesn't know it's upside down.
I flew aerobatics for a few years in a Pitts. I just dont know why, in that aircraft, he would go full left aileron that close to the ground. Maybe trying to turn away from the crowd. It was recoverable on exit of the barrel roll but not with full aileron. What I learnt with aeros was the danger of trying to fix a mistake in a competition when you are close to the ground. Take the low score and try again but never descent below your minimum - ever.
The report could have been one word: “Vodka”.
Hoover! love this channel. My uncle was a naval aviator in the 60's and taught me to respect the competence and skills required to fly.
I have flown in the NMW's (National Warplane Museum, Geneseo, NY) AN -2. Such an amazing aircraft.
An-2 is "flying 1.5 tonner", GAZ Gazelle in modern world, Russian Ford Transit, 1.5t load/12passengers commercial van/light truck. It is not designed for aerobatics at all, just for slow steady flights between unpaved runways without good services and repairs. It is very difficult to break it or lose control, but from the other side many accidents happened when Cucuruznik (right translation will be something like Maizer, there is nothing corresponding to Duster in Russian world, "cucuruza" is just Maiz/Corn and suffix "nik" means "having some relation to") just gets far out of its limit by wheather, wind, temperature, load, fuel quality, cows on runway, drunk pilots and so on.
In this case they tried to make a show on old rusty Transit with predictable result - could not cope with control and rolled to ditch. Yes, it is possible, I am very proud of what I did on my Gazelle (some tricks can be found in my channel), but it is just circus, not a use the machine designed for.
Expired certificate does not matter. It is just Soviet bureaucratic thing. If I have some type or endorsement in my licence it is forever as the licence can disappear only if it is surrended, cancelled or revoked, but in this case PIC had "an2 type" in his old "flight certificate" which is full equivalent of western licences but regularly reissued as it is completely new, not only renewed or reconfirmed with automatic transfer of all types, endorsements and so on.
I watched enough Russian car crash videos to learn that there isn't anything to learn from them. Except to not drive on Russian roads. Seems like Russian flying is much like Russian driving.
Great analysis! It's absolutely mind bending that such inexperienced pilot was allowed to fly during an air show - the risk of crashing and killing many people on the ground was totally ignored!
I flew on this baby back in 1992 when I visited Poland. A local sky diving club was using it for taking up the sky divers. A buddy of mine that currently flies the 787, was the pilot and took me up. The AN2 is one unbelievable airplane. Can take a lot of sky divers, and the takeoff distance and the landing roll is unbelievable. I'm surprised that there's not a lot of those in Alaska, used for bush flying.
IIRC it even has fuel loading pumps, so your entire airstrip could be a patch of dirt, a windsock, and some barrels of fuel!
One of those you things you can’t believe you’re seeing happen. Imagine stressing the control system to the point of actually stretching cables. Thanks for the usual thorough reporting Hoover.
thats just scary . I wanted to be a pilot back early 90s until that little plane lifted off the ground a few feet and discovered my greatest fear on earth was heights! pisses me off to I still want to but just cant , I take afraid of heights to a level most haven't seen, Ive never freaked out in my life over anything , just that day !
I also am afflicted by acrophobia, I believe it is the fear of heights like looking over the edge of a building. I found tho that flying an aircraft did not give me that terrible feeling. You gotta do your homework and put your trust in Clyde Cessna or good ol’ Bill Piper.
The more you do it. The better u feel
I've been a CP for 50 years, I love flying, any real airplane....
But I don't like balconies or tall ladders.... You could fall and get hurt.
I greatly appreciate the short and to the point videos with no fluff. Thank you.
Crashed an An-2, The Unstallable/Uncrashable An-2 (from my experience of flying it during the Polish Soviet Goverment, not flown by permission but airbase acess with friend/Komander in afganistan), W H A T ? . . .
An acquaintance here near Vancouver, BC bought one and flew back from Moscow. Took forever at 100 MPH and a king's ransom in fuel but a fantastic airplane he said
Great video. These are all over Europe an mostly cargo carriers able to land on grass fields. And I discovered 3 tucked away at a farm when on a Red Cross training exercise and it certainly didn't look like a runway to me. As a "truck" the parachute clubs love them because they can haul a LOT of chutists for those big cluster formations and throttle back to low speeds for the jump. Yes they are rugged and pound over really rough fields. Strangely I never saw any do aerobatics of shown in this video. Sad to see this AN-2 torn up with the loss of the crew.
Sad incident but I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
I am addicted to your channel.
You really do such a great job in describing the incident ! Not only does your explanation reveal pertinent data , but also gives the viewer a hard-fact education to be applied to their own endeavor to fly. Good job!👍🤔
Thank You for your commentary. Very well done! simple, clear and objective with the utmost respect for family and viewers. The time that you dedicate to your videos on top of all your other jobs and responsibilities is gratefully appreciated and most informative. You are excellent at what you do! and again Thank You!
I flew down to Sun n Fun several years cack in one of these. Damn thing bobbed up and down like a boat on the ocean, only time in my flying career I got air sick. Did get some stick time in the beast, very heavy on the controls. Has air brakes for ground control.
Why am I addicted to your videos? I am also addicted to the American version of Air Disasters. As a kid in the 70s and 80s, I flew on those DC-10s almost every year. I'm lucky to be alive. I'll never fly again.
would be interesting to note which exact variant of AN II this would be... but, this did immediately look far too fast for me... (have flown as a passenger on AN II a number of times)
whilst this is not a plane for acrobatics, because it was used as a crop-duster it did regularly preform the sort of sharp maneuvers needed for that industry... however, it was an inherently non-stable all manual control type of vehicle...
with a very basic design, you had to constantly deal with a lot of turbulence from your own wing-struts and other non aerodynamic elements, (which made it very unpopular with many passengers) so, at 300km/h, I cannot imagine the vibration he would be getting!!!
given the maneuver he attempted, he probably snapped some of those cables to be honest... they were never very strong.
RA-35171 was a PZL An-2T sn 1G113-10
@@AreeyaKKC thankyou...👍
🤣 I can hear your voice now when I'm doing flight instruction. "What would Hoover say about this?" I never want to be one of your videos😂
Pilot#2's life was in danger before he left the ground.
Excellent breakdown of the report and great reminder to know who you fly with.
Glad you enjoyed it!
So you have a un maintained plane with expired paperwork and certifications flown by a no longer licensed pilot with a 2nd pilot who is a pilot in name only, not even bothering to strap himself in. Plus the AN 2 is not even rated to go as fast or do what the pilot was doing. This plane protected the pilot right up until the wing dug into the ground. Even at that point, the wings broke free from the fuselage absorbing a lot of the crash energy.
This is strictly on the pilot. And the air show safety officer, if there even was one.
Russia is a real puzzle to Westerners. Some of the greatest artistic, math, music, science, and technical achievements in human history, and yet… at pretty much ever important national decision point, they choose what seems, to us, to be the worst possible path. That historical tendency to behave badly translates down to personal behavior of professionals (often assisted by alcohol) that sometimes looks amazingly negligent and cavalier, as in this case and in many others you aviation buffs are probably familiar with. There is a great documentary here somewhere, made in the 90s when the Russians agreed to fly a couple of those fearsome Bear bombers to a British airshow. The English reporter that rode along experienced some serious enlightenment as to the behavior of Russian aircrew!
Pilots must have emptied the vodka dispenser in the cockpit before this stunt!
Love this channel - while the content is very sad the info work up is top notch!
It's not "one of the largest biplane's ever produced", but probably one of the largest "single engine" biplane's ever produced 😉
Indeed, the Heracles was slightly bigger.
PZL M-15 Bephegor was slightly larger single engine biplane (22 meters of wingspan vs 18 m.) and... it was probably made by the same factory, since a lot of An-2's flying in Russia were produced in Mielec, Poland.
apostrophe’s - what are they for?
@@russ254they are for biplane's
A very comprehensive explanation on what has happened. Great video and thanks.
Thanks for a very detailed recap.
Not sure why you call the report "secret" though, it's publicly available, and as you can see very thorough.
For more clicks ofcourse 😂
Well, I didn't mention it in the title or thumbnail, so you had to click and watch before I even said it.
Glad you enjoyed the recap!
@@pilot-debrief yes, you really drilled down to the root causes…. what happened with the ailerons and the control cable stretching is a phenomenon I’d never heard of before…. you really took the time to study the info, very much appreciated…
i've learned more about aviation from this channel than i have anywhere else... i don't fly and i have never learned about aviation anywhere else but still. every video 10/10
The An-2 was first made in 1938. It was the most favored arctic aircraft in the world even on 2005.
Little correction: the first test flight was in August 1947
I need to look this up again. I have read that it was 1938. I've been around the An-2's quite often twenty and more years ago.@@rilmar2137
Produced 1949-1996
Thank you very much. Also, I have heard that after they were stopped in production in Russia, that they were still being produced in Poland, you have any knowledge of that. Thanks again and have a nice day.
We had one of these at our local airport for a while. They're absolutely huge. The idea of doing aerobatics with this beast stuns me.
Just as the Beech 18 is also not certified for aerobatic maneuvers, Matt Younkin deftly demonstrates otherwise. if you watch his performance closely, you will see that his loops and barrel rolls are accomplished with very little Gs. It is an art which must be learned specific to each aircraft. He rarely will put the plane through any critical moves near the ground though, which is why he continues to fly and has for decades without serious incidents. The Beech is also impeccably maintained by one person.
krauty: love the Beech 18. Saw Matt Younkin. Did he crash that airplane in the last couple years?
My grandfather had a Cessna 180 and would take us for rides over the farm fields of Toledo, Iowa. When us boys got a little older he would do some barrel rolls and loops on our ride. It was amazing, you hardly felt any force on your body, he flew that plane like a bird, effortless. Just like Matt's Beech, his Cessna wasn't placarded for aerobatic maneuvers either. He started flying as a teenager in the 20's, hand built 2 airplanes, one in the 40's and another in the 50's which my mom had not so happy childhood memories of helping out. She and my Grandmother did all the covering which was cloth & dope. Sadly, the 2nd plane was destroyed in the 60's when a tornado hit the airport which led to his purchase of the Cessna 180. He was a heavy equipment mechanic supervisor for a road construction company. He would use the plane to fly around picking up / delivering parts and tools out to wherever the equipment was that broke down. Since they did road construction, he often just landed right on the roadway. You never worried about flying with Grandpa because you knew if anything happened, he'd just set it right down on the nearest road or field.
Or Bob Hoover in his Shrike
@@marcseclecticstuff9497 Nice story Marc, grandfathers are pretty special.
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No longer current but have my private pilot's license. I enjoy watching the videos and the way you present objectively.
He ends up with nearly 90 degrees of bank. Keep in mind, it takes 9G's to maintain level flight at 83.62 degrees of bank.
If you are at 83.6 degrees and pulling for your life to attempt to level off, your going to need about 20G's to make that happen.
The human limit is around ~ 11G
That airframe is good for about 5G.
What he needed to do, was continue pulling at maximum structural G-limit, and roll with full right aileron simultaneously applying slightly more right rudder than necessary for coordinated flight, use the right rudder to counter adverse-yaw at high AoA/High CLmax. And give it more boot to assist the roll-out and make it happen faster than the plane can aileron roll under normal situations.
But, this pilot lacked the basic skills of a pilot.
The fact he applied right-rudder one second AFTER right-aileron confirms Zero pilot ability.
If your aileron goes right, your rudder goes right. It happens simultaneously. Any pilot worth his weight, will mentally/subconsciously lead with rudder ever so slightly, because its easier to coordinate your hands with your feet, than vice versa.
So you lead with your feet and your hands follow in perfect sync. In an emergency, you lead with full boot and apply full lateral whack.
That is unbelievable. Thank you very much for this investigation and description of what happened. If the pic was a 747-Pilot, why did he not know and flew inside the "envelope" of the An-2?
It's very chilling to see an actual photograph of the pilot's hands on the controls one second before impact, knowing that that control input is a desperate attempt to save his life. But it just came far too late.
Love the Flying Info! I don't fly but always was Intrigued about planes and flying as A Young Boy. Us to Build those Estes Rockets when I was in Grade school....... Have Never flown In A small Plane....... would Love to! I'm 65, so time is running out... Thanks Again Hoover
I think the pilots goal was to take an old plane with no Airworthiness Certificate out of circulation. To which he was very successful.
Great analysis Hoover, as always. Keep up the good (LIFESAVING) work
MAK (which is Russia's NTSB) reports aren't hidden. They appear on their website, with public access and all, and the methodology used is very similar, if not identical, to NTSB's one. But the reports are in Russian indeed.
gymnasts do acrobatics, aircraft do aerobatics.
In short he flew so fast it stretched or broke the flight control cables due to the high pressure on the ailerons and rudder when he did the hard left pulling out of the dive. Then it was impossible to level out.
What? In short he didnt understand the physics of the aircraft he was flying and flew into the ground like an idiot.
Condolences to the families of both pilots. Having said that, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. This guy was flying a plane that shouldn't have been allowed to leave the ground, much less perform in an airshow. There were SOOO many things wrong with this scenario that the outcome was pretty much inevitable. Sad.
That was nice clean breakdown of events . Nice job!
But ultimately I believe the full responsibility and accountability belongs to the airboss and organization that hosted the airshow .
They most certainly skipped their due diligence.
Being sure that your pilots are qualified and fit to preform and their equipment is technically fit is their responsibility first and foremost.
Obviously the pilots and every one involved is responsible for safety of the public a d the performers. But the buck stops with the airboss.
Thanks! You're absolutely right!
You did quite a lot of excellent work on this one Hoover, translating all those pages. It never ceases to amaze me the kind of risks people take. Here you have an aircraft not even airworthy, doing things its not designed to do, beyond its structural limits. What would one expect? Interesting aircraft though, that is for certain.
By Russian standards, this was a normal flight.
Thank you for the analysis. I disagree with your conclusion regarding the co-pilot's seat belt. A loop ended early also ends the centrifugal force keeping you in the seat. Also, the distance between seats means that this final turn 9:41 would have him sliding from his seat into the picture and the pilot. The report seems to indicate that he belted himself but not properly.
How can you do a loop without a seat belt on ? Wouldn’t you fall out of the seat?
Not with enough g-force
A typical loop is a 1-G maneuver. Meaning you’d feel like your normally sitting in the seat.
Centrifugal force.
@@theangrybeaverpilot3973 If I rememeber correctly a loop is a 4-G Maneuver.
@@Jannik_Stein depends on speed and plane.
The key takeaway to me is that when a plane is overspeed, you assume control surfaces will actually have more effect than normal, however, aerodynamic pressure can actually prevent them from operating. I had this happen once when I botched a roll, went over speed, and couldn't change pitch for a few very long seconds after. It's very important to keep in mind, since there is a temptation to think a plane with a long safety history is overbuilt, and / or that your skills might keep loading low even in unusual attitudes.