Joe Budden Gets HEATED Over Draya Michele Grooming Speculations | "This Is Grooming"
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The fact it took her 7 minutes to denounce the inappropriateness of the situation is crazy…
7 minutes of stalling is insane
Thanks for saving me from wasting my time. Mel full of 💩
Right but she jumped out the window on camron and mase
M Ford dropped the ball with this take. Joe had every reason to be heated at her for pandering instead of calling out Draya for the obvious predatory behavior.
Everytime. That’s why I don’t want her on the show. I get they want more women to watch but she stays doing this
I'm glad Joe held Mel on her bs. She is way too intelligent to not understand what they were asking of her!
Tru, she knows a great deal when it’s $2000 and a bathroom is close by
She understood she just full of shii😊
She’s definitely played dumb on purpose. If this was a man she woulda been on his ass
You wild 😂
Mel still missing benzinos banana 🍌
Just like Kevin Samuels said. Mothers are competing against their daughter's for the same men.
Damn I was just rey rant how this is not true than I had to sit back and think and tbh damn alot of them are cause I could never date a man my mom's age but I for a fact that she could a guy my age smh and tbh I literally just went through my mom getting upset that her YOUNG husband was in my room having a genuine conversation. And I truly was so confused and hurt cause how are u mad we are conversing we family. But now reading ya comment help me realize she is Inscure cause she thinks he might look at me but I would never look at u. She got so mad at me and I told her she was sick and that I'm her daughter she apologized like 3 days later but it just proved your point that these mom are competing against they daughter for men
Draya doesn't have a daughter.
Says the man who died in from Red Bull and Viagra 🫤
Draya doesn’t have a daughter. And even if she did this statement still holds absolutely no value or validity to the situation
@@nillamcc3532yes it does wtf I can’t stand when y’all act naive too shìt
The first thing Melissa Ford wants to know is his contract. (About money)But that wasn’t the question.
Her eggs are dried up
And this is why I find Mel so asinine. If this was flipped Mel would have a 30 minute argument with Ish.
Exactly!
It happens all the time flipped and you men don't complain so don't complain when it's a woman. I thought women after 35 was washed up to y'all why do y'all care
and they literally call those men groomers. Draya is a bird and a groomer@@ronnie6696
Women are narcissist by nature and will support pther women doing dirt because they all do dirt together thats facts
@@ronnie6696 we just want y’all to keep the same energy, plus we don’t care about them f-ing but for her to go try to have his baby. We know what that is, she trying to get a bag in child support because that is coming. Also don’t let this one incident trick you into thinking all women her age can get lucky. However you know what let all the older women try more power to them and good luck.
Mel couldn't answer cuz that some shit she would do 😂😂😂
What I said lmao. She was quick to call out cam and mase going to see prostitutes. Now she is stuttering in the brain over a 39 year old used up woman (known 304), who's not able to secure a man in her age range to entrap.
Big facts💯😭
100% FACTSSS
EXACTLY what I was thinking....
Exactly
So glad someone addressed these female predators!
We been doing it
Joe: Is this grooming?
Melissa: What's his contract?
I’m a woman…
And Mel is full of it.
Indeed
Amen!
Absolutely 💯
I agree
Absolutely!
I love Mel. But if she can’t discuss women issues that sometimes aren’t positive than Joe needs to replace her.
Agree, she is the weakest on the podcast, sits too much on the fence on certain topics, she is too concerned about being cancelled and getting backlash.
Yep 🔥her ass
Going hard on her but not holding the same standards for Joe! Relax
She is 👩woman! This is what you get, when you let em out the kitchen 🍽🧂🍴🍳🥄
FACTS
CALL HER OUT!!! I am 27 yrs old and dating a dude around my little brother’s age is HELLA WEIRD! Especially if you grew up around them and see how they act even if they THINK THEY ARE GROWN they have childish tendencies.
How old is your little brother.
Im assuming 18 @@chandamccullum5591
@@chandamccullum5591 he is 23 years old
Stop it he has a whole career, and pays taxes votes and can drink, he's a whole adult, infantilizing people is not gonna change that
You’re right… though, men of all ages be having childish tendencies. The options are sub par which to Draya meant I might as well find one with money attached to the foolery. It’s not looking good out here for anyone who dates men tbh.
She wasn’t going to speak out against it because if given the opportunity she would probably do it too, and thinks it’s ok.
Because there is no major issue with it. Unless he met her when he was underage.
Salute to Joe for calling Melissa on her hypocrisy and for being afraid to say anything against the Sistahood.
They need to fire her because she is not it when it comes to holding women accountable.
Long as he stands on his hypocrisy’s lol
She agreed with Joe 2 times….. did I watch a different video.
@@peaceequality8580right bc he was too old to be messing with the Garcia girl but hey.
What about his hypocrisy of the situation when he was dating Cyn when she was 21 and he was 33 and he dated Kaylin Garcia when she was 20 and he was 30. Does he consider himself a predator or groomer? 🤔
So she calls Camron a predator with no evidence or reason why. And now that the shoes on the other foot you do this… smh
Daaaamn that's a great point
Cam should go Ham
I hope Cameron sees this😆
Part of the reason he was justified in going in on her like he did but so many neutered men today were quick to simp for Mel
S/O to the Dips ❤🤍💙🦅🥂🥇🎖🏆🏅🗽🗿🗺💎🇺🇸
Even after Mel gets called out for hypocrisy, she still can't twist her mouth to say the right thing.
Her lack of accountability for women is not surprising
Exactly
Accountability? She isn't the one dating Jalen lol.
@@asmrdate the accountability is either saying yes its cool or no its not okay. With Marquez she didn't have that energy
That's just Her tho
Other women Don't share the Same views
@@theescapetrixShe Doesn't speak for Alll women
Just like how those men Don't speak for Alll men
Y'all Needa Stop watching these ppl and thinking they Leaders or something
Y'all Following ppl?
Ppl Shouldn't be idolized
Melissa is doing it too. See how quiet and guilty she look.
How old is her man??
Yup
@@XxMercuriiXx they said she dated drake when he was in his 20's
If she met him when he was underage, it's definitely grooming. If she met him at 21 unfortunately it's not grooming but it is absolutely distasteful and crazy.
Yea that’s fair it’s still disgusting and unethical
I am so glad that men are having this conversation! I would never talk to a 21 year old….I am talking about me! It’s weird!!! He is a kid!!! My son is 30 and I would have a fit if a woman my age in their 50’s talk to my son! I would loose it!!! Just nasty!!! 🤮
Is it because he’s your child (I ask because I know some who are just not okay with it when it comes to their own family for protection reasons which is valid but some support it with others when it’s ppls own kiddos they always seem them as their babies and not always as adults doing adult things that they may or may not be ready for)? As someone in their 50’s would you date someone closer to 70? Just wondering like is there an age gap that works? Is 10 years okay? But if 10 is okay is 20? I’ve only involved myself with someone who was a lot older once. I feel like I had more brain cells than they did but to someone else I was a dumb kid so idk. My mom and I never talked about what’s too old really. Just when I was in middle school and high school.
I understand what you’re saying. But 30 is a full grown ass man. His brain is fully developed. He has experience in the real world. He has experience paying bills and hopefully emotional maturity. It’s 100% not the same
Just because it's wEiRd doesn't mean it won't happen, 21 is an adult there's nothing wrong here
He’s an adult. Send him my way.
@@user-do1qf8rm7b 😂😂😂
Mel really couldn't answer the question WITHOUT asking a question! 😂
Dawg omg, I would like to think she doesn’t realize how much she deflects, but my lord its annoying. I be screaming “Just please formulate your own opinion without this group think tactic!”
The 304 fraternity is strong.
Because if you haven't noticed most of the time she speaks her mind and holds her stance they wanna battle and attack her over it so she's learned from that and unfortunately has become very guarded when talking on this pod compared to when she first came on
Thats how women do
@KaiSwisssh1 I agree and sometimes Ish and all flip apparently did at the end was prove Mel's point by talking about Leo DiCaprio's dating life and how he dates younger girls throwing in the word grooming when attempting to make his point.
Mel seriously doesn’t add anything to any conversation the fact that you have to probe her for her opinion is wild , form your own opinion and speak to that.
💯💯
She’s always tryna play it safe.
Yeah they need another women the comments gettin worse and worse every week
She's positioning herself for a RAISE💸
Nah... See he did that shit cuz he knew and he felt that she was ducking that topic. She didn't wanna be real about it
I’m glad Joe said it! Period. Women should be held accountable for their inappropriate acts and behaviors as well. It’s definitely predatory behavior.
Men need to take accountability too yall so delusional
Lost what little respect I had for her! She should be embarrassed!!
If Draya was a man, I dont think Melissa would be stalling to answer. And her answer would definitely not be that "the young woman is with the man she chooses".
Most certainly!
the man is 21 years old!!!! joe reaching for reals
Ford will always be a 304. No matter how much she try and class it up. A 304 is a 304.
@@piabernal6983that's not the point. They are pointing out the clear double standard. If he was a 21 year old woman, folks would be calling her a child compared to a 40 year old man.
@@piabernal6983that isn’t the point in Joe’s outrage. The point isn’t REALLY whether or not this is considered predatory. That’s an overall argument, but not the point.
The point is that Mel will call a man a predator for this but hesitates when calling a woman one.
It's not grooming but it's predatory. Grooming would mean that she knew him as a minor and then groomed him to be her future baby daddy. Doesn't change the fact that she's a creep for this.
He just turned 21 so technically she did know him as a minor and knew what he was gonna be he been in the spotlight since he was 15
@@704jizzle2 unless they've been dating for over three years, then it doesn't matter if she knew of him. Again, it doesn't negate the fact that she is definitely a predator.
To me it’s no problem because he’s an adult . Problem is when it’s a man and younger woman everybody will look down on the man but not give the same energy to a cougar or old chick that mess with a young dude. And the young girl has options more than likely to mess with a dude her age but no she chooses the older dude because of the money and resources
I can’t prove it… but you definitely had a different opinion with tyga.
@@Deauxp._ u don't have to be dating someone to groom them y'all blame men for this exact thing all the time
That says something when Joe and I are thinking the same thing " Mel what the F are you talking about?" lol
Joe is absolutely right. This is grooming and the double standards are gross
OMG! I was equally as frustrated with Mel as Joe was. WTF was she babbling about? Dancing around the question like crazy. Thanks for calling her out Joe.
Mel had her tap shoes on. I’ve never seen someone dance around a subject so blatantly.
facts
Girl giving a full show😅 annoying ash
This was really hard to watch. I cringed so hard at her trying to play stupid. SMH
@BigShrimpin416 I cringed too. I was like damn, she is really standing up for the sisterhood. 🤦🏾
@@storytimewithagrownwomanThat sisterhood is falsehood. A cult.
She is a predator. if this was a 40 year old man and a 21 year old woman, people would be losing their shit. The thing is, what makes her a predator is the fact that 1. the man is 21, his brain hasn't fully developed yet and 2. she went after him with the intent to trap him. She's done this before with Orlando Scandrick who was an NFL player, this isn't even her first time doing this.
I dunno...no one blinked an With Robin Thick and the little girl he is with currently
Damn!
Only Leonardo decaprio can get away with it
Untrue.
Where do they lose their shit when an old man has relations with women that could be his granddaughter? He’s celebrated in fact
The irony of asking Mel about a topic like this is crazy🤣
mel was like i'll take no accountability for 800 alex....
Mel kills me playing dumb, like she doesn’t understand what’s being asked like idk if it’s years of media training or what but I dislike it.
She's been allowed to get away with it.
She postulates her own intelligence
@@dennisjohnson7139 facts! And I hate that!
I'm a man and I agree with her. This is not predatorial neither is it grooming. They're both adults for starters and if her mentality was to try to trap him with a baby to secure the bag, then there is no age limit to that type of thinking. Chics around his age, 5, 10, 15 yrs older also will line up to do the the same given his status and wealth. Even kids know what the potential consequences are when u have unprotected sex.
Thank you for getting on Mell for her bs. Tired of her wasting segments ducking by playing stupid while y'all spend the whole segment explaining the title of the segment to her!!!🙎🏿♂️🙎🏿♀️🤷🏿♂️🤦🏿🤦🏿♀️🤦🏿♂️ She be terrified of backlash 🙄
Dancing on the subject to save her 'status' and be liked
Spending a segment explaining the title is hilarious 😂
Why is she even there? I've been asking that question for a minute🤦🏾
She has friends haha her friends would not like this.. and she knows it.
Just remember Melissa's words when the next "scandal" is about a man with predatory and/or "grooming" behaviors... She's such a hypocrite!
The word salad coming from Melissa is Crazy….like gurllll come on😂
Same woman who FALSELY accused Cam'ron of misconduct with a minor, suddenly doesn't like the use of descriptive terms... REALLY?!?!
Well freaking said!!!!!
Literally wanted them locked up but now we don't know enough 💀😂
THANK YOU SIR
She probably doing it too
Crazy right?
Mel's awkward response is likely because she has done this in the past.
Doing
First thing out her mouth, how much money he got.
Unacceptable Mel! Just say your opinion! Please do better.
This clip is proof that todays women avoid accountability! Mel avoided the question in so many ways that she will be embarrassed to re watch this again 🤣😂
she will not be embarrassed. the lack of accountability she showed in ducking the question is the same energy she will use to justify her taking her stance. this was a pathetic display of objectivity and common sense.
@number1chiefROKKA thank you for saying what I was going to say
No, Mel avoids accountability, NOT women. Draya is a predator
No we don’t. Try not to speak for women as a whole.
@@tamikal.7346thank you. I speak the hell up.
Mel.. Mel.. Mel.. you not standing on Business 😂😂😂
Damn she didn't say a word.... but her silence speaks volumes.
Thanks for the commentary, it was definitely one I can relate to and helps me also as I move forward in my life of healing to see my reality and deal with me and my choices whole heartily. I don’t agree with all that is stated, but I must agree with some and better understand the other party involved. I was too an older woman with an experience with a younger man!
Melyssa Ford would've had a different answer if it was a man. She had A LOT to say about Leonardo Dicaprio but as soon as she's asked about a woman her past extremely hinders her opinion. Its sad how much she panders to females 😭
lol tho whole society panders to women . It’s been that way for a while .
Still aint grooming
I wish they woulda led that that...I woulda said that off rip
She woulda gave a complete & ran on sentence of an answer had Joe ALREADY AGREED TO ADD UP TO 25OK iN 'COSMETIC SURGERY' ANNUALLY TO HER MEDICAL COVERAGE AKA N0T MEDICAID🔜💉BuDDenAid🩹
"Females" ? You mean women
The fact that he had to fix the question like that in order for her to answer is crazy.
The way people over look older women being the groomer of younger men is sick.
Call it out Joe! THANK YOU for not being scared!
Female here, in my forties, we need to cancel Melissa Ford. Wow...
New Subscriber here. Joe You are amazing, get rid of Melissa.
Draya is a predator. So is Melissa
He high key threatened her job… saying he was going to give his opinion from a woman’s pov since she wouldn’t 😂
But he's not joking, that is what she was hired for. I don't think Joe hired her to campaign for city trustee of Darbyville Ohio now
The sad part is, if she had smoke for Marques Houston how in the world she quiet on this situation and low-key constantly trying to change the subject the whole time…ppl like that shouldn’t have a voice to the masses
She can't say anything because she has done it
🤷♂️ 🤷♀️ 😆 🤣
Joe is hilarious asf!! He is over Mel 😂😂
Appreciate that one Joe, call her on her shit. Draya and Mel
Leonardo DiCaprio rolling his eyes at Mel
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Mel knows she's long in the tooth and would pull a Draya if the chance presented itself.
Facts
4 sho
What credentials I need to be on this show??? lol I'll come through and tell the truth. EVERY TIME!
Let's be clear. Dudes seem to hate when women date younger, and women seem to hate when men date younger. How about everyone just stay within 12 years of their age.
2:44 "What do you want me to speak from, like my opinion?" - Melissa Ford
Yeah, what else? How daft do you have to be?
Right!!
Daft as a punk 😂lol I’ll stop
The bar for intelligent black women must be low AF. Because this woman is considered to be smart by people in your community. You should be ashamed of this reality.
She's not daft at all. She knows she has to tap dance around it or expose her hypocrisy
Shout out Ice T
"Y'all acting like nike" was a bar!
Factz. Joe can still get in the booth
🔥🔥🔥
Saying that with $1000 Nikes on is hilarious😭😭
What’d he mean by that Nike line exactly?
@@shootah_mcgaven3424I assume he’s referring to how Nike recruits these top athletes at a young age in H.S. off “potential” to eventually represent the brand in the pros. Predatory women are essentially doing the same thing recruiting and trapping young professional athletes who are on track to earn supermax contracts, by having their baby.
“What’s his contract?” Smh
Joe you are sooooo on point!!!!!!!
And LADIES AND GENETLEMEN WE wonder WHHHYYY JASSSOONNN LEEEEE WARNED US ABOUT THIS HYPOCRITE WOMAN ......YOUR WELCOME
Aye Joe was genuinely pissed brah 😂😂😂😂
We all were! That was ridiculous!
He sure was😆😆😆. I can only imagine what he said behind the scene.
😂😂
Damn Joe was spittin’…good job✊🏿1:54- You can tell Joe is at his whit’s end with Mel’s bs. Mel Ford is consistently inconsistent
Joe budden podcast is fire 🔥 Thanks Joe 💯
Mel you are there for a reason SPEAK UP!!!!
I think she's there for another reason😆😆😆
She s useless
I fully stand with Joe with what he said. Women always have something to say about "men". 💯💯
Loo we can’t do shit .. hang with out homies it’s gay . Have standards it’s misogynistic.. smh
Crazy right but when it's the other way around.
If this was a 39 year old man and a 21 year old woman, they would be giving the man high five’s!!!!!!!! Why is it so different when it’s a mature woman dating a younger man??? She’s not doing anything different than what men do EVERY DAY!!!
Yuck 🤮
Comparing ur self to men is classless
How can yall forget about Brittany Renner going after P.J. Washington ?
Melyssa bout to lose her job if she don't stop trying to walk that tight rope and speak up. 🤣
I never thought that she brought anything to the platform so I'm good with her being fired.
I hope she loses her job she’s terrible and her voice is annoying
If she can’t hold women accountable and be objective, she needs to. We have enough women that play victim etc, we don’t need one on a huge platform
Joe kept it 💯 on this one
Them double standards be real
Is the Pod making a comeback!!?? This is why we show up Joe!! Hard.
The hypocrisy. This was crazy to watch. smh
Narcissist is another word that gets thrown around.
By women funnily enough
"Disrespect" is no.1 for me
Unpopular Opinion: Mel is indeed holding her tongue, but not for the reasons Joe gave. For decades women have spoken about the predatory nature of grooming and EVERY TIME the conversation is had (most men will be quiet but...) there is always at least one man who will say that it's not predatory, and come up with a negative reason that a woman is bringing it up. For example, they'll say the woman is jealous, or mad because she can't get with a younger man, or that the young woman is grown and can make her own decisions "Stop Infantilizing younger women" ect. It is OBVIOUS that Mel thinks this situation with Draya is predatory, but she knows that if SHE the woman says it, that even though it is the EXACT same dynamic that women have been calling out men for, her words will be used against women who try to call it out in the future. Men will say "women do it too" and site HER (Melissa's) words as a source to justify their argument whlie subconsciously ignoring that it is still wrong. However, if she lets the men explain why this is predatory then all of the BS gaslighting that men have done over the years when women have called it out gets exposed, and their words will now justify women's argument. I also believe that JOE KNOWS that if one of the men said it that it force them to ADMIT that men who do this are JUST as wrong which would alienate some of his male audience because men have been able to justify this by gaslighting, and never calling other men out. In situations where men admit that some of the behavior deemed normal for men is wrong, men as a group get upset with those men and either attack them, or disassociate them selves. Joe wanted to have Melissa do his dirty work, and have her be the one "hold women accountable" while actively allowing all the men who have done this for centuries to avoid taking accountability. This is a very common caveat of patriarchy that Melissa is clearly aware of and that is why she was tactful with her response.
Stop the 🧢. See that’s where the problem lies with women. ALLOW OTHER WOMEN TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE AND THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHY THIS ALPAH MALE SHIT GOR STARTED BECAUSE WOMEN ACT AS IF THEY’RE fucking special! It’s not dirty work it’s her job. The double standards in these situations are wild and so therefore let’s have the only woman on the platform speak to it. It’s her job to speak to issues that are “controversial” and expect some type of interaction. You can’t please everyone and she’s not in the role as a clown to appease everyone she’s supposed to give her opinion on controversial issues. Now take ur cape off and find some fucking glasses so you can see clearly. And I’m a woman so miss me with all the bullshit. Accountability
Joe is on point
"Because it ain't a $300m dolla bag"😂😂😂
I AGREE WITH JOE BUT ALL OF US THAT LIVE IN THE HOOD ......COUPLES LIKE THIS FORM ALL THE TIME
Joe please, this podcast is one of the best and most intelligent podcast.
Mel is not supposed to be there.
Please get her out🙏🏿🛑🛑🛑
she gives an accurate dumb blonde take. Tries to come off as super intelligent and barely knows anything they’re talking about. She better than flip tho
….. coming back to this now
Joe Budden that’s what I’m talking about !!!! Straight factsssssss she quite omggg her silence was a room shaker glad you guys got on that
Thank u Joe. This was very much needed
Is this the same woman that was quick to insinuate some under age BS towards Cam & Mase’s story?? 🤣😂
Yep, that's her 🤦🏾
She should have been sent packing aka fired after that episode. However, this segment shows how useless she is.
Yep that’s her
Mel would not have thought twice about calling it grooming if the man was 40 and impregnated a 21 year old woman. But since the shoe is on the other foot, he's a grown man who made a choice to impregnate Draya. Ridiculous! I swear, women being accountable is like taking cough medicine, the truth is hard to swallow.
As a woman as well, Draya is wrong. An older man would’ve called Draya out on her bs, that’s why she wasn’t looking for one.
thank you! you are a real women should have a seat on that podcast
If it were the other way around, they wouldn’t have had to ask her a thing. She woulda dove head first in that bush, instead of beating around it lol
Thaaaaaaank you Joe!!!!!!
Mel is annoying af. Always beating around the bush. Really don’t know why she’s still here…
WELL FKN SAID JOE!! 💯💯
Joe is my hero for doing this 👏
💪🏾💪🏾
What’s the point of Mel being on when she refuse to answer the question.
If he was the one that was 40 something and got a 21 year old pregnant- They would not be talking about it.
I agree with EVERYTHING the men are saying 💯
Why is Mel so against answering straight to their questions 😂
9:40 🎯🎯 Joe was completely on point
Joe really spoke on it!
Joe Budden who dates young women- half his age- can't call anyone else out!
Mel would do the exact same thing if she had the chance.
How can they have this conversation and not mention child support
I think that’s what they were referring to when they said Draya has a bag but not a $300 million dollar bag. Getting pregnant secures the bag. That’s what they’re saying
The first 3 minutes made me yell out loud at the phone! Got damn, Melyssa!
WHATTTTT? Grooming?! Al Pacino is 83 years old and just had a baby with a 29 year old and men have said NOTHING!!!
Draya do you!!!!
wtf???? that’s not grooming drama is a groomer she’s 40 was fucking on a 20-21 year old weirdo…… he’s close to being a teenager. 29 and 83 is grown wtf do you not get?
Mel is scared. Get somebody who is not scared.