get the RG40v for the gameboy bigboy feel. which only works on the Gameboy games anyway. for anything else, get a vertical switch style handheld like the Retroid 5 or, yes, a Steamdeck if you dont mind the size.
its like everyone can't not stop saying this. this is the most common comment on this device, which is understandable but i always just want to scream "i get it, you like the steam deck!" its like everyone is possessed to say this instead of anything else.
@@MonoDree no i comepletely understand that, im a person who GREATLY preferrs small things, but from the perspective of somebody with a tight budget or is wanting there first handheld, the steam deck is like the baseline, personally, im looking at the odin 2 mini even though i have a steam deck and can play all the games id want on there.
Man, i need one of these for my collection of handhelds I hardly ever play... I have a disease and I refuse to seek help, unless it gets me more retro handhelds!
@@rodrigo53 to be fair I like to buy em either cheap to mess with and make sure they are a relatively unique form factor. Or ill buy a fancy one that I will main for a couple of years until it starts to lag behind. But I do keep them, and they make me happy to look at!
I wish you ALL would pay for your review units. This is the first time I hear one of "you guys" (referring to the awesome handheld console reviewers) complain about the purchase process , and how much it hurt your wallet those $500 and then I get to hear finally an honest review. I feel sometimes , bigger RETRO reviewers... I won't say who, find that ALL the devices THEY WERE GIFTED were AMAZING ... my man you made a 2024 review of all consoles and you liked them ALL pretty much. No that's not how it works. Kudos to you Wulff Den for reminding me everyday why I'm still subscribed to you.
i don't know what reviewers you are watching, because all the ones i have seen that got if for free have been honest with the price and cons of it while praising the parts that deserve it, i think you either ignore them or haven't discovered them yet, like retro corp. im not hating on your comment btw, just letting you know that i have watched a lot of reasonably honest reviewers
There's something to be said for "being late" getting a device review out. Most if any problems should be taken care of by the time you get it and there's less confusion of what the product can and can not actually do by the time the average consumer would be able to get the device anyway.
There is sadly zero reason for this. Get the RG40V for the gameboy feel, and get the Retroid 5 for anything else. Now you still have about 300 bucks over this. Whats the point?
I forgot about this one, this seems perfect if you are like me and play just NES/SNES/GB/GBC/Advance. My hands keep on getting cramped when playing the smaller ones like the RG35XX/RG35XX SP.
At least I want the only reviewer late to the party on this one! I opted to just get base model and the price doesn’t offend me quite as much haha. I liked the DMG a lot more than expected.
@@87-BeforeCommonEra he said best gameboy, not best high powered android device. the pocket is the best gameboy. and this...isn't even the best handheld emulator, because it has a single thumb stick and costs as much as a ps5. Wish this dude would pivot away from these fuckin reviews and make real content again
it's a more premium device than analogue pocket (i have multiple) and it's android, so save states for all systems, filters and shaders that far outclass the analogue pocket, dreamcast, gamecube, ps1, ps2 etc so i love my analogue pocket but this isn't comparable
The thumb stick the trackpad and the fingerprint sensor are definitely some things on this device that we’re not necessary and could’ve made the device significantly cheaper if removed
Don't see the market for this. I think most people wanting to play on a DMG form factor will want to play retro games that don't require this hardware. Pick up a Trimui Brick instead for $60.
The main appeal for me would be the OLED screen. But for OLED I can also pay 220 instead for a way more comfortabe RP5... I'd like this product at 200 euros, a Gameboy with OLED is pretty sick
you say that as if they are the same. the only thing they have in common is the form factor. its obvious they are drawn to the design and build quality.
I've been so tempted to get an Ayaneo handheld for a while now but could never justify it. Now that my handheld gaming device collection is pretty huge, I want devices that are more "endgame" and that will last me a long time instead of just marginally upgrading one or two handhelds every few months. So I ended up preordering one of these Pocket DMGs. Got the white one at the base price since it seemed pretty reasonable. I don't think you need anything but the base model for general gaming. I don't think I'd want to do anything like COD or Switch gaming on a device like this (due to both the screen aspect ratio and the lack of 2nd joystick).And the base model is currently $340. So it seems worth it for me. This will be my endgame vertical handheld. Won't feel the need to buy another one. I do kinda wish they dropped the SoC down slightly to make it a *bit* cheaper but I'm excited to get mine soon. This thing looks super pretty and all the reviews have been pretty positive.
I almost got one of these but I already have waaaay too much e-waste in my house from Anbernic's release schedule and haven't been able to find my kids as a result. I mean I know there here somewhere...I can hear the muffled sounds of Warioware and them giggling plus my snacks keep disappearing...
You're the first one I've seen that didn't get the DMG colors. As I suspected, the device gets a lot less interesting without that color scheme, which is why they locked it behind the higher price tier lol
I LOVE AyaNeo's designs, and that's definitely what you're paying extra for. You can easily find similar functionality for less money, but if you want your tech to work well and look good, they do a decent job of combining the two...just be ready to pay for it.
with a large android based emulator, at that point I think I'd be better served buying a controller for my phone and carrying that around - if you have a nice phone, it probably would outperform this. I love my 35XXH because it's VERY small, very portable, and very small. Works great for retro stuff.
I bought the 16gb white just because I like it. I love vertical handhelds more than horizontal because it feels better to me and the design and power of this one is simply the best. Probably an overkill but surely it will not give any perfomance problems so it's a good all in one for me. I have some AYANEO, a Steamdeck and other horizontal handhelds and I just hate them, as the Switch. I simply can't enjoy that screen setup and it feels weird to me to have hands so far from each others with the screen in the middle.
I’d be thrilled if someone else bought me one, but there’s just too many compromises for me to want to spend my own money on one. On an Android device with that much power I want to be able to play Android games, but I don’t want to play them on that screen. If I’m using that power to emulate PS2, i want the two analog sticks.
The price is insane, but to be fair, the stats are pretty stacked, and the interface is better than just using a phone. Just not a great device if you're only playing retro games anyway, however.
I think the thought process behind the screen refreshing left to right is that in many retro 2d games, your character moves across the screen left and right.
If you ever put all your ads into one compilation video I’d actually watch it. 😂 Also, I emulate ps1 on my Steam Deck. And it also requires bios I’m pretty sure. Like ps2.
Not to totally dismiss your concerns about the shoulder buttons, Wulff, because they very well could be defective, but if the goal of including extra shoulder was directly related to such a defect, you would think they would include shoulder buttons that were the same color as the default ones, so that you can utilize the original color scheme if you so chose. Of course, the shoulder buttons can still end up defective, so I'm not defending them, I just don't think that was their original intent.
Missing your rp5 review retro game corp covers performance and ergonimics in a professional sense but i love your more personal experience and overall opinions please make a retroid pocket 5 video soon 😢
2 or 3 years ago people said "I'm so excited for the future where these handhelds will be powerful and cheap". No. They won't be because there will be companies like aya who will offer these stupid expensive devices that make the cheaper handhelds trash and just plastic crap.
Thank goodness it has a OLED screen... I am PWM sensitive and can't use it, so that saved me $500. Would've bought one for sure if I could lol.... (bought an Odin 2 during the sale instead)
Love the form factor, but as you said it’s way too pricy and strong for its use cases. It just doesn’t have a place in the hierarchy of emulation handhelds. No real niche for it to fill
That internet bug is on the pocket s too. Ayaneo refuses to accept it's an issue lmao. Been back and forth with them for months on this and they aren't going to be looking at it
I find it hard to get my round the fact that due to the form factor, I will end up playing games that are more 4:3 in it's original incarnation and therefore like PS1, N64, SNES or older titles. And thus never needing the touchpad, and all that power. The shape of the machine doesn't lean towards widescreen games, more modern games, more power hungry games for me. Therefore it feels like all that power, and money, wasted. So for less money, I am going for a Retroid Pocket 5 and a TrimUI Brick combo. (Already have a Steam Deck)
This is one of those things where you have to question the sanity of reality. $500 for that is just a sin. You can buy so many other things for that price tag, literally. It might as well have an Apple logo on it.
I agree that I think that it should have been a much weaker, much cheaper device. With the control scheme let it cap at N64/Dreamcast/PSP, you know...single joystick systems (I know PSP would be bad for the screen). With that premium look and feel at a cheaper price I think it would have sold really well.
I like vertical gameboy style devices, but this one really doesn't speak to me. And then there's the price. Really, I'm pretty happy just using a cheap phone. The screen is even better, and I can clip on my favorite controller so it's actually comfortable. And with everything included, it's like a third of the price. Not quite as powerful though.
why would ''getting really bright'' be a tell that it is OLED when the largest weakness of OLED's typically is lower brightness... i mean, you obviously looked at the specs, but assuming you didnt, did the black levels and contrast not give it away?
There is absolutely no freaking way it was impossible to find room for a headphone jack on this device. Absurd that it doesn't have one. Bluetooth is unacceptable for gaming and it sucks to have to carry a dongle around (and those also are prone to breaking). Put a decent dac/amp in here and I might have been able to justify it as a retro digital audio player/gaming device.
Ahh man this did tickle me 😂 exceptional review and you are so consistent with making me laugh 😂 after i repeatedly pointed out to everyone how utterly stupid this handheld is, i still bought the 8gb version in white 😅 ive just accepted that im an idiot and im not responsible enough to handle my own finances.
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I mean it looks cool but like, $500? Just get a steam deck at that point.
get the RG40v for the gameboy bigboy feel.
which only works on the Gameboy games anyway.
for anything else, get a vertical switch style handheld like the Retroid 5 or, yes, a Steamdeck if you dont mind the size.
You can get a legion go or ally at that price nowadays.
Obviously. This is a super niche device for a very small amount of people.
its like everyone can't not stop saying this. this is the most common comment on this device, which is understandable but i always just want to scream "i get it, you like the steam deck!" its like everyone is possessed to say this instead of anything else.
@@MonoDree no i comepletely understand that, im a person who GREATLY preferrs small things, but from the perspective of somebody with a tight budget or is wanting there first handheld, the steam deck is like the baseline, personally, im looking at the odin 2 mini even though i have a steam deck and can play all the games id want on there.
Man, i need one of these for my collection of handhelds I hardly ever play... I have a disease and I refuse to seek help, unless it gets me more retro handhelds!
I’m right there with you
@@WulffDen It's the only way to be!
My guy, I get the appeal, but emulation handhelds have no collecting value. Just get the one you need.
@@rodrigo53Thats the thing, You can't just get one, You gotta get one for snes, You gotta get one for Gba, You gotta get one for Arcade, etc
@@rodrigo53 to be fair I like to buy em either cheap to mess with and make sure they are a relatively unique form factor. Or ill buy a fancy one that I will main for a couple of years until it starts to lag behind. But I do keep them, and they make me happy to look at!
Surely by now someone has thought of developing a 3DS style Hall effect circle pad. These handhelds desperately need one.
something something don't call him Shirley
@@Raidraptor_-_Ultimate_Falcon good old autocorrect lol
Yeah, or the psp, i think they where similar, worked and would be perfect for this pocket friendly devices
Yeah it’s the Retroid pocket flip. Has that
@@Drivenby is that thing any good? I've been looking at it
Amazing how they charge $500 USD for a device that's non-useable out of the box
Being price wise in the same weight class as the Steam Deck does this thing not any favor.
You made a valid point about getting the cheapest model and yet it’s still too expensive for me to justify and I’m the type to make impulsive buys 😂
Sir, you are not being irresponsible enough, do better
i love the Bob Barista ads cinematic universe
Him voice acting the boops on the touch screen/register was great, lol
i'd rather have 0 sticks over 1 awkwardly positioned stick . Or they could make it modular so that you can swap between a dpad and a stick
I honestly thought that's what was going on, but nope it's just a bad stick and a touch pad.
For $500, just get a ROG Ally.
339
I thought this was 350 which is still extremely high, but why are you paying 500?
20:40 it _does_ on the other hand last like 16 hours on powersave mode, to emulate low power systems. As per retro game corps
these handheld industries gonna implode soon .. so saturated and so many stupidly priced ones.
I wish you ALL would pay for your review units. This is the first time I hear one of "you guys" (referring to the awesome handheld console reviewers) complain about the purchase process , and how much it hurt your wallet those $500 and then I get to hear finally an honest review. I feel sometimes , bigger RETRO reviewers... I won't say who, find that ALL the devices THEY WERE GIFTED were AMAZING ... my man you made a 2024 review of all consoles and you liked them ALL pretty much. No that's not how it works. Kudos to you Wulff Den for reminding me everyday why I'm still subscribed to you.
i don't know what reviewers you are watching, because all the ones i have seen that got if for free have been honest with the price and cons of it while praising the parts that deserve it, i think you either ignore them or haven't discovered them yet, like retro corp.
im not hating on your comment btw, just letting you know that i have watched a lot of reasonably honest reviewers
To be fair, they are often just reviewing the product itself.... not the buying process....
@@MonoDreeyou will notice that whenever they have to buy their review units they are more critical of it unless they always wanted the device anyway
ETA Prime???
There's something to be said for "being late" getting a device review out. Most if any problems should be taken care of by the time you get it and there's less confusion of what the product can and can not actually do by the time the average consumer would be able to get the device anyway.
There is sadly zero reason for this.
Get the RG40V for the gameboy feel, and get the Retroid 5 for anything else.
Now you still have about 300 bucks over this.
Whats the point?
I'm privileged enough that this appeals to me and I can throw out all logic because this is the device I want.
even odin 2 for Switch
Don't you have a kira to catch?
I forgot about this one, this seems perfect if you are like me and play just NES/SNES/GB/GBC/Advance. My hands keep on getting cramped when playing the smaller ones like the RG35XX/RG35XX SP.
At least I want the only reviewer late to the party on this one! I opted to just get base model and the price doesn’t offend me quite as much haha. I liked the DMG a lot more than expected.
So, it's a worse, more expensive Analogue Pocket.
This is plain extortion at this point, only people with nostalgic glasses 🤓 🤓 will run down to buy this crap 🙄
bUt iTS tHe BeSt!!!!!!
They're really not comparable, the analogue pocket is not a high powered android device.
@@87-BeforeCommonEra he said best gameboy, not best high powered android device. the pocket is the best gameboy. and this...isn't even the best handheld emulator, because it has a single thumb stick and costs as much as a ps5. Wish this dude would pivot away from these fuckin reviews and make real content again
it's a more premium device than analogue pocket (i have multiple)
and it's android, so save states for all systems, filters and shaders that far outclass the analogue pocket, dreamcast, gamecube, ps1, ps2 etc
so
i love my analogue pocket but this isn't comparable
No matter how good the form factor is the point of Android vs Win or SteamOS is affordability.
They could have easily put the G99 chip (what’s in the pocket micro) and shaved $200 off the price and had a much higher volume of sales
Okay but barista den is kind of a snack.
The thumb stick the trackpad and the fingerprint sensor are definitely some things on this device that we’re not necessary and could’ve made the device significantly cheaper if removed
Don't see the market for this. I think most people wanting to play on a DMG form factor will want to play retro games that don't require this hardware. Pick up a Trimui Brick instead for $60.
The main appeal for me would be the OLED screen. But for OLED I can also pay 220 instead for a way more comfortabe RP5... I'd like this product at 200 euros, a Gameboy with OLED is pretty sick
you say that as if they are the same. the only thing they have in common is the form factor. its obvious they are drawn to the design and build quality.
I ordered the white one it should be here in a couple days I cant wait, I just don't know what CFW I want to put on it.
I've been so tempted to get an Ayaneo handheld for a while now but could never justify it. Now that my handheld gaming device collection is pretty huge, I want devices that are more "endgame" and that will last me a long time instead of just marginally upgrading one or two handhelds every few months. So I ended up preordering one of these Pocket DMGs. Got the white one at the base price since it seemed pretty reasonable. I don't think you need anything but the base model for general gaming. I don't think I'd want to do anything like COD or Switch gaming on a device like this (due to both the screen aspect ratio and the lack of 2nd joystick).And the base model is currently $340. So it seems worth it for me. This will be my endgame vertical handheld. Won't feel the need to buy another one.
I do kinda wish they dropped the SoC down slightly to make it a *bit* cheaper but I'm excited to get mine soon. This thing looks super pretty and all the reviews have been pretty positive.
I almost got one of these but I already have waaaay too much e-waste in my house from Anbernic's release schedule and haven't been able to find my kids as a result. I mean I know there here somewhere...I can hear the muffled sounds of Warioware and them giggling plus my snacks keep disappearing...
You're the first one I've seen that didn't get the DMG colors. As I suspected, the device gets a lot less interesting without that color scheme, which is why they locked it behind the higher price tier lol
Thank God, we can skip those long ass ads
lmao i just watched the linus tech video right before this
I LOVE AyaNeo's designs, and that's definitely what you're paying extra for. You can easily find similar functionality for less money, but if you want your tech to work well and look good, they do a decent job of combining the two...just be ready to pay for it.
The term "Crowdfunding" somehow is the worst thing ever existed in society
with a large android based emulator, at that point I think I'd be better served buying a controller for my phone and carrying that around - if you have a nice phone, it probably would outperform this.
I love my 35XXH because it's VERY small, very portable, and very small. Works great for retro stuff.
For the price i'm gonna need something like this to be more user friendly and easily set up.
The PS2 BIOS is actually included in PS3 Update files which Sony distributes for free via their website ever since.
😂”Dietician approved.” is hands down the worst sales pitch I’ve ever heard! 😂
I bought the 16gb white just because I like it. I love vertical handhelds more than horizontal because it feels better to me and the design and power of this one is simply the best. Probably an overkill but surely it will not give any perfomance problems so it's a good all in one for me. I have some AYANEO, a Steamdeck and other horizontal handhelds and I just hate them, as the Switch. I simply can't enjoy that screen setup and it feels weird to me to have hands so far from each others with the screen in the middle.
I’d be thrilled if someone else bought me one, but there’s just too many compromises for me to want to spend my own money on one. On an Android device with that much power I want to be able to play Android games, but I don’t want to play them on that screen. If I’m using that power to emulate PS2, i want the two analog sticks.
The price is insane, but to be fair, the stats are pretty stacked, and the interface is better than just using a phone.
Just not a great device if you're only playing retro games anyway, however.
That chip is counterproductive for that form factor. You should've just get an odin 2 base, a steam deck, RP5 or an RG406V.
I'm still mourning over losing "YAHUNGRY50"
Omg thank you for mentioning the 3DS circle pad, a hall sensing pair of circle pads on a clamshell design would be perfect for a pocket
I think the thought process behind the screen refreshing left to right is that in many retro 2d games, your character moves across the screen left and right.
18:17 that fan. Damn
You can get an Analogue Pocket AND a refurbished Steam Deck at that price
"And that's how you get it." **WINK**
*smile smile*
*thumbs up*
€619 😂
They're crazy
I lose it every time he flashes the $500 on the screen
"...which you can get from a legitimate PS2"
*Pauses*
"And that's how you get it!"
*Smile!*
😄 Love it!
For that price you can get a Steam deck LCD and an RG35xx plus which is pretty much a modern DMG gameboy
I liked the other title better lmao
Me too, probably got negative feedback 😅
If you ever put all your ads into one compilation video I’d actually watch it. 😂
Also, I emulate ps1 on my Steam Deck. And it also requires bios I’m pretty sure. Like ps2.
It looks SO cool, but I'd still prefer the SP form factor from the RGXX35SP, the thumbstick sticking out is a real deal breaker for me
When Bob and Linus release a video about the same product on the same day:
Not to totally dismiss your concerns about the shoulder buttons, Wulff, because they very well could be defective, but if the goal of including extra shoulder was directly related to such a defect, you would think they would include shoulder buttons that were the same color as the default ones, so that you can utilize the original color scheme if you so chose.
Of course, the shoulder buttons can still end up defective, so I'm not defending them, I just don't think that was their original intent.
Imagine getting this one for Christmas instead of a Steam Deck. 😲
Awesome...
Salad please...
$45....🤯
And all those prices are gunna get even worse when the tariffs fall!
So I'm shopping for a few shirts on Teepublic and decide to check out the size chart... Didn't know Bob was a model now.
that is a steep price but counterpoint that price less than buying every cheap device that anbernic/powkiddy releases like every other week in 2024
Missing your rp5 review retro game corp covers performance and ergonimics in a professional sense but i love your more personal experience and overall opinions please make a retroid pocket 5 video soon 😢
Almost at a million 🙌🏼
2 or 3 years ago people said "I'm so excited for the future where these handhelds will be powerful and cheap".
No. They won't be because there will be companies like aya who will offer these stupid expensive devices that make the cheaper handhelds trash and just plastic crap.
1st second into the video, didn’t expect Digimon soundtrack. 😂
Thank goodness it has a OLED screen... I am PWM sensitive and can't use it, so that saved me $500. Would've bought one for sure if I could lol.... (bought an Odin 2 during the sale instead)
Love the form factor, but as you said it’s way too pricy and strong for its use cases. It just doesn’t have a place in the hierarchy of emulation handhelds. No real niche for it to fill
That internet bug is on the pocket s too. Ayaneo refuses to accept it's an issue lmao. Been back and forth with them for months on this and they aren't going to be looking at it
You should yell only the YAHUNGRY part of the promo code hahahah
I know most of us are here for the tech, but after watching that Factor ad I have to ask...WHO HURT YOU, BARISTA WULFF?
"Pays not berry berry good here" same
Have you ordered the sworl controller yet?
I find it hard to get my round the fact that due to the form factor, I will end up playing games that are more 4:3 in it's original incarnation and therefore like PS1, N64, SNES or older titles. And thus never needing the touchpad, and all that power.
The shape of the machine doesn't lean towards widescreen games, more modern games, more power hungry games for me. Therefore it feels like all that power, and money, wasted.
So for less money, I am going for a Retroid Pocket 5 and a TrimUI Brick combo. (Already have a Steam Deck)
Your videos are always at the top, continue to please your viewers with such content! 😚🍒
hey what keyboard is that on your desk in the green case? looks sick
This is one of those things where you have to question the sanity of reality. $500 for that is just a sin. You can buy so many other things for that price tag, literally. It might as well have an Apple logo on it.
I’m berry berry berry concerned about that smoothie
I was gonna save up for a handheld, probably Retroid Pocket 5 or Steam Deck. Then I hacked my 3DS, now I think I can wait lol
25:14 Bob really had the audacity to say "flat whites" and show his fiancee? XD
This would have been amazing as a handheld PC for indies...
Seems pretty sweet, how much did this device $et you back, I currently have a C-note burning a hole in my pocket, will that do HA!
I'm just salty they locked the best colour option behind the model with specs that will never be utilized and a $680 price tag -_-
I agree that I think that it should have been a much weaker, much cheaper device. With the control scheme let it cap at N64/Dreamcast/PSP, you know...single joystick systems (I know PSP would be bad for the screen). With that premium look and feel at a cheaper price I think it would have sold really well.
That digimon world 2 opening BGM though
I like vertical gameboy style devices, but this one really doesn't speak to me. And then there's the price. Really, I'm pretty happy just using a cheap phone. The screen is even better, and I can clip on my favorite controller so it's actually comfortable. And with everything included, it's like a third of the price. Not quite as powerful though.
Such an awesome form *factor* , screen and everything. That price and hardware is so unnecessary
*FIVE*
*HUNDRED*
*DOLLARS*
_and still doesn't include a charger_
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I need someone to review this using winulator to play old rts games, that touchpad surely would work with that kind of setup??
is Dewey ok
Try winlator on it and play those windows indie games on winlator. That snapdragon should run it no problem.
why would ''getting really bright'' be a tell that it is OLED when the largest weakness of OLED's typically is lower brightness... i mean, you obviously looked at the specs, but assuming you didnt, did the black levels and contrast not give it away?
I'd rather go on a great barrier reef tour with that money and take my Trimui Brick.
No mention of the price of it?
There is absolutely no freaking way it was impossible to find room for a headphone jack on this device. Absurd that it doesn't have one. Bluetooth is unacceptable for gaming and it sucks to have to carry a dongle around (and those also are prone to breaking).
Put a decent dac/amp in here and I might have been able to justify it as a retro digital audio player/gaming device.
Please put the device name in the title of the video
Ahh man this did tickle me 😂 exceptional review and you are so consistent with making me laugh 😂 after i repeatedly pointed out to everyone how utterly stupid this handheld is, i still bought the 8gb version in white 😅 ive just accepted that im an idiot and im not responsible enough to handle my own finances.
So glad I bought a steam deck, $500 for a mid-tier phone CPU in a game boy shell is not good value at all
you can also get a ps2 bios from a ps3 bios
And I thought the Playdate and the Analogue Pocket were overpriced...
500 for an emulator is crazy work
"The stupid game boy" wasn't a good enough title? Lol
I love the form factor, I love the OLED screen, but there is nothing I want to play in that form factor that justifies that amount of power or price
500 is just ridiculous. love these videos though.
Why didnt you get the base model? If price was such an issue