While The King isn't 100% accurate, I feel like they really got the *feel* of the combat down - the brutality of it all. This whole veneer of chivalry, and then once the visors are down they just wrestle in the mud like pigs. It's great IMO.
The king is based off of Shakespeare's Henry the Fifth and not the actual events. Henry in real life wasn't as 'averse' to violence as he was in the movie
People bash really hard on the "veneer" of Chivalry but people misunderstand that Chivalry was an ideal it was never a fact, it was something put forth as it was once said to make men who are good in war tolerable in times of peace and to make men good during times of peace valuable during times of war. The fact of life is that men who are good during times of war often find themselves out of place or entirely undesirable during times of peace and vice versa so chivalry was created in Europe to try an bridge this gap because the learned men of the day understood this problem of having a lot of well trained and well armed men who reveled in trials by combat, trials in this circumstance meaning just problems and not judicial trials.
It’s a missed opportunity really. The implication of maces and hammers would (a) create more historical accuracy, (b) make the movie more brutal, and (c) create a vibe like no other.
It was quite good to see them use hammers when they gang up on the french knights. In other movies this would've been a lot of slashing and stabbing straight through the breast plate, while in this movie there was a lot of hammer bashing, grappling, stabbing in the neck and one guy getting drowned by being held with the face of the helmet in the mud. Why were they using swords for the duel? Well from those manuscripts it definitely seems that it was done a lot (i mean someone mentioned it in a manuscript) so I'm gonna guess it was a tradition thing not to bring a hammer in a duel, even if it would be more helpful.
I think fights with hammers, maces and even axes are harder to choreograph. A strong hit with a rubber hammer (if the choreography goes wrong) probably still hurts a lot while a slash with a rubber sword is not so much to care about.
Well, no, while tripping in that situation is possible, yes, he essentially falls over due to his swing and not due to stumbling into the fallen knight's legs/feet. And, honestly, that either needs to be a lot of momentum and or weight in the swing or extreme exhaustion (or both?). So, yeah, fallen over the feet of the other guy, sure, fallen because of the feet, not really.
@@LastGod99 Hard to say if it was supposed to be choreographed as a trip and didn't quite work, but he was definitely off balance from the swing anyway.
@Caramel Johnson and this is why knights and men-at-arms trained in armor for, to adjust to the changed point of balance, I don't know if it fits whit the story, but the two knights in the duel look quite poor trained ones
@@dkm4338 OMG I just remembered how Hound stabbed Mountain in S8 of GoT. That was one of the most stupid things I've ever seen in a movie fight. Not to mention literally everything else in this godforsaken season.
10:45 he falls over on purpose - watch his leg trip and where he positions himself to immediately be able to get on top. The choreographer meant for that sneaky little trick and its a shame so many people miss it (no fault of your own)
In no world is he falling on purpose , look at his posture added with being swung at by a blade and blocking it . Your bound to fall , he did use to it his advantage though .
@@helios4753 "He's just dropping to the floor from just having *struck* with a sword" not "being struck with a sword" so I think he's referring to the knight on the right, the 2nd one that falls. And, imo, he falls due to the swing and not due to being tripped since he falls with the swing and not after an attempt at movement/fixing his posture. That said, you were talking about the first one falling and in that case I do indeed agree.
When it came to the ground grappling, maybe their relatively young ages, and hot headedness would lead to them electing to pound on each other rather than having the clarity to think "Pull my dagger and finish this."
They were also two men who knew each other from childhood, so Henry might have been hoping for a surrender once he tackled Percy. But Percy instead grabs his sword and tries to stab Henry, so the fight continues. There are very sensible story reasons for everything in this fight scene.
I disagree strongly with Skallagrim anyway. It's dumb to assume there's no fight left just because things are on the ground. Softening someone up first can help get the job done and you could almost certainly kill someone through their helmet by pounding their head into the ground.
@@scruggs6633 There is a lot of sensible story excuses for how in a hollywood universe the fight played out this way. There's nothing sensible about a fight like this happening in reality though, it looks and feels like a generic choreographed scene. It's not even the lack of historical accuracy, doesn't feel real.
@@7dayspking a good helmet can take a direct hit from a baseball bat with minimal damage to the wearer inside. Punching someone isnt likely to be effective.
@@MrHanderson91 Depends who's swinging the bat, on the bat and how it's swung. Punches are different from baseball bat swings, they're a lot slower and a lot harder. Look up 'french ninja buhurt one punch man' first clip and 'buhurt tech fist knockdown'. I used to remember a number of different 5v5 matches where people were knocked out with one punch but I've got no idea how to find them now. The punches would hurt but doing structural or surface damage through the helmet isn't the only danger. A good punch can land so hard that the head is knocked away very quickly, that sharp motion can compromise your immediate cognitive function or knock you outright unconscious. In both circumstances you're now vulnerable or completely incapacitated and unable to defend yourself at all. Hits like that can also cause serious brain damage or fatal brain swelling. No simple rigid helmet will ever save you from being knocked out. If you watch American football (much better protective helmets.) when guys are hit in the head they're knocked out all the time.
@@ilitardo160 they feed you false history at the detriment of whites, and always bring up non-whites in a positive light. I'm not imagining it, we all see it.
Have to bear in mind though Skall, the mistakes in the duel such as the over-extension on the swing are probably intentional, to show you that Henry is a young lad who is inexperienced but still well trained. The adrenaline and lack of experience in single combat force him to make mistakes and tire quickly, I thought that was really well done.
Good points. And fighting in heavy armour is not that exhausting in itself, if were talking about seriously trained people. What makes this different,though, is that theyre fighting for their lives. It would be reasonable to expect that theyre not going to get calm,focused and relaxed in a situation like that.
@@saloneju ever did mma? grapple a bit around and you are exhausted pretty fast. And if you wear armour that heavy and a full closed helmet? I can imagine even after 10 years of training, I would be out of breath. Especially if you fight for your life.
@@Iskandr314 It is exhausting, yes, but my point was - and I can speak from experience - that fighting/grappling in a full suit of armour itself is not nearly as exhausting as this scene makes it look like. The level of exhaustion depicted here resembles first-timers or relatively inexperienced fighters wearing armour. But of course,I have never fought in a life-threatening situation,that would be for sure a game-changer.
Couldn’t they have just done it the way how the Witcher series did it? Like say, have 2/3 of the blade being on the prop in a half tapered shape while the rest of the needle point would be a little bit of cgi, also through the whole fight they weren’t gonna use the swords for the killing
Also for strength purposes. If you have a plastic sword for safety purposes it becomes very weak if it tapers, and would break in acting. Whereas if you have a steel, although dull, sword, it is still very dangerous if it tapers so much.
the tip on a tapered longsword is impossible to make safe for the actors too. i think this is as close as we'll get folks. I liked the movie, and the fights in it. agincort was phenomenal.
Gavin Jenkins I don’t know if they meant to, but at this point in time Henry was out of shape. He was basically a royal peasant up until when his brother died
@@gavinjenkins899 imagine doing 15 takes tho, even just spending an hour in the suits would be exhausting because of the heat. But they were probably actually exhausted and being exhausted is what they wanted
i did riot scenarios in the Army a few time in full gear which is a very little heavier than medieval plate Armour (not riot gear which is lighter) and you get exhausted in the first 30 seconds a 20 min scenario can feel like 4 hours i notice a lot of historical youtubers greatly underestimate what genuinely meleeing in gear is actually like there's no breathers or foam swords or armour or long pauses its really hard even just having a firefight in full gear is exhausting
Honestly amazing that more films don't have the main actors wearing helmets in fight scenes more often if only because it makes it much easier to do stunt work if the double doesn't need to look anything like the actor.
@@Nuvizzle only thing that needs to happen is roughly the same height and same body build so you can at least pass. And you don't need a lot of muscle (most of the time) to be a good stunt devil, just a lot of practice and training
"They're winded already???" Watch UFC fighters. They're some of the strongest, fittest athletes on the planet and they get winded after the first round...
@@nericohen-muaythai8875 I can assure you, yes good fighters. Even some of the modern guys who train hours a day to fight in the ACL championships get tired after a that minute mark, it's actually hell to fight in 70+ lbs armor, especially for extended periods, standing up and getting back to fighting.
I'm really out of shape now, I used to train three times a day for hours on end. Cardio, techniques, shadow boxing etc. Fighting and reacting to a opponent is a different animal. Being gassed is different than being excited or adrenaline shooting through you. Not every pro has great cardio. But it is definitely a deciding factor. I can still box or do what I have trained to do to a degree but your body will give out. As bruce Lee said Boards dont hit back. A person who trained this way would be miles ahead of the average guy. Roman legionnaires did everything with their armour on. Go swing a piece of wood or steel around see how you feel.
I am just glad that for the most part everyone wears a helmet as so many movies don’t have the main characters wear helmets. As well as people using weapons other than swords, there are a ton of great dagger and hammer scenes.
I believe the reason the sword tips barely taper is because of actual threats of harming the fighters while filming. I'm sure the costume department would have been aware of how the swords should taper in this time period... but they are using real swords, and there is a real chance of them causing serious harm. They can easily get rid of that threat by simply adding that width and leaving it to the audiences' imaginations. I've seen a few vids on this film, some half praising and others ridiculing it. For me personally I enjoyed it. And from an amatuer medieval enthusiasts POV, I reckon they've done a nice job in making it feel realistic, yet still an interesting and believable story (even if not historically correct to the actual events)
Kinda lost some steam in the last arc, but yeah it's a fun show with good animation, a nice story and the most historically accurate medieval fights you can imagine even though it's a show with monsters and big breasted succubi in BDSM clothing.
@@Knoloaify Big respect to japanese writers and animators on representing themes from foreign cultures with more accuracy and dedication than the foreigners themselves. I'm currently watching The Ancient Magus's Bride, it's definitely the best take on british and irish celtic mythology I have ever seen.
I shown Maria to a deeply catholic friend of mine, and he got quite a bit offended by the show. He is not bigott he likes Lucifer, Miracle Workers, but Maria taken itself so seriously and hit catholic dogma so hard, he gotta hate it.
@@bgboy4861 The duelist uses realism in duels to drive a story between two characters and show their characters. Flashy will sell to mainstream but nobody will remember them, realism will be remembered and praised. it might not make as much money but you create a legacy for your film and career
Personally after watching the movie, I️ believe this scene was drawn out in that manner in order to add to the childish manner of the squabble as well as the issue as a whole.
The fact that not every single move in this scene is perfect actually adds to the realism in my opinion, if every move would've been exactly correct then it would've felt extremely choreographed instead. And the fact that both of these characters are relatively young, cocky and angry makes it more excusable that they're messing up at some points imo
As someone who has “rolled” in just a pair of trunks and a tshirt I can tell you that alone is exhausting. I can’t even imagine what it’s like in full plate armor. And from the point of view of just an authentic feeling/looking fight I say this is pretty good.
I loved this movie. The battles were amazing. Instead of hundreds of guys breaking off into a bunch of tiny unrealistic duels it was just pure brutality. According to this movie medieval battles were basically just giant mosh pits with everyone just trying not to get stabbed. If you like violent movies this is a must see.
10:46 He probably just slipped on the grass, then on the enemy's leg. As a swordman reenactor, i can say that slipping on damp rocky ground or grass while fighting is a pretty plausible and common incident, even for a trained infantryman. That was a nice touch, brought back memories...and a lot of stars i saw after a bad smack on the ground XD
I'm no expert, but I did boxing as a teenager. The utter exhaustion felt extremely realistic to me. With heavy armor and sword plus using every ounce of strength for each blow any longer than a minute or two I believe would cripple you with exhaustion. We would do 3rounds 2minute each with headgear when I was boxing. I told this to someone once and they were like that's it and they chuckled. This person is overweight and has never been in a fight in their life and probably couldn't last 10 seconds in the ring but they think 3 2minute rounds is nothing. I spent over a year working out and training before my first fight, and I was extremely fit and played sports as well before I started training. It would take me a month to recover after a fight, because you give it all you got, and at the same time the other person is doing the same. Every blow you take rips energy and stamina from you. By the end of the second round 4 minutes into the fight your at the point you can barely move, you can't see straight because your vision is blurry, you can't catch your breath, your heart hurts because it's beating so fast, your so tired at this point you can barely keep your arms up much less go on the offensive. I know I'm not as fit as a knight, but I would run 6 miles every morning, lift weights, hit the heavy bag, 30 mins of jump rope, plus twice a week sparing as well. I believe the exhaustion I'd the most realistic aspect of this fight.
"mid-fifteenth century, so a bit later than this movie" Agincourt was in 1415, so it's from like thirty years after, at most most, does pommel fashion change so much this bears mention?
I mean I doubt the first thing on the mind of the creators of the movie is “oh I better get this really small detail you’d only notice if you paused the movie right”
In Lord of the Rings, they bothered to decorate the *inside* of King Theoden's armor. The audience never sees it, but the actor did, and he said in interviews it made him feel more like a king on set. It showed. The details you don't notice add up to something you do.
4:45 the reason the blades were not accurate was for film making. It is difficult to film thin blades compared to wider ones on top of being extremely dangerous even for expert stuntmen.
Yep, and honestly they look great. You can't really tell they're props. In many movies they use props for slow scenes and you can see the sword has a blunt edge and a rounded tip and it looks horrible. If they would use the super pointed sharp blades, it would be crazy dangerous, even for the armored duel part.
This fight made the movie for me. My mother, who had only seen typical movie knights, said, "They're not doing it right are they? Wrestling on the ground?" and I said, "No, they're doing it really well. THAT'S what a proper knight fight looks like."
Honestly good video, i mean i love Historical Accuracy and all but this is honestly going in the right direction. I feel if Netflix or whoever does more and more movies like this well get what we all dreamed of but none the less i found the film was really entertaining.
1:40 yeah! Who doesn’t love dying by dysentery because they knew boiling meat was safe but couldn’t figure out they should do the same with water for another 4 centuries despite mainly drinking distilled beverages…
The knowledge that boiling water can make it safer did actually exist, but they usually didn't have a good reason to do it. Water from wells, springsect. . was not as bad as people nowadays think, it was usually perfectly safe to drink. But just as today, there were of course exceptions where a source that normally gave good water was contaminated for some reason and then it was catastrophical. As I said, still happens nowadays, even in rich countries. Just not quite as often and we (in richer countries) have better medical possibilities to deal with the consequences. And generally, the idea that people in the medieval age mostly drank ale/beer/wine because the water wasn't safe is mostly a long debunked myth. There is some truth to it at the core, but the way people tell it, it's just not correct. And it's fair to say that those problems didn't stop with the end of the medieval age, but actually worsened for quite a time. Because population increased, cities became denser populated, hygiene worse (the medieval bathing culture kinda stopped in the early modern period) and waste products of new industries more dangerous and started to really mess with rivers and other water sources.
Fighting for a minute or two competitively kicks anyone’s ass. If 2 professional fighters are put in the cage for 2 minutes in a fight for their life they will probably shit themselves at the end of it because you wouldn’t be pacing yourself as if it were a competitive match or a larger scale battle. In a larger scale battle I imagine you’d engage and disengage because you have a line of troops in support on both sides and exhaustion is death. In a one on one duel to the death it’s 100%. I think being exhausted makes perfect sense, fighting for your life is exhausting. I have never been in a fight that lasted longer than a few seconds and I have been pretty tired at the end.
Yeah it was a good movie, but, in my personal opinion, they kinda portrayed Henry V as a b¡tch compared to how he was in history and to how Shakespeare also portrayed him in his version (of which this film takes most of its cues from). I’m just saying, the actor who played Henry V did a fine job and is certainly skilled at his craft, but did they really need to portray Henry V in this movie in such a reserved manner and have him cry like a b¡tch in that tent to (the completely fictional) Sir John Falstaff? And that issue at the end of the film with Sir William Gascoigne was pure nonsense for the sake of the story, most likely due to the propaganda from the Tudors over a century later. By all accounts, the real King Henry V was a warrior-king with a heavily commanding and inspirational presence to his men. He also had great piety towards the Church, unlike how this film depicts him as dismissively acting towards his priests. King Henry V also genuinely did desire to seize France and had later ambitions to retake Jerusalem (plans that he would never be able to realize). I appreciated how they portrayed him as a drunken and rambunctious youth before he became king, which was true. And after he was crowned, he surprised the many nobles of the court by actually being a natural leader that could strike both fear and inspiration into the hearts of his men, and he would fight shoulder-to-shoulder with his troops. And even still, he was also an accomplished diplomat and politician when he needed to be, but he actually had no issues with going to war and some might say that he even wanted it; it’s likely that he even reveled in it, given how ruthless and cunning he could be.
The endurance thing in the movie is real in my opinion. I watched the Knight Fight series where Knights from the Armored Combat League fought in a tournament, and most of them are prefessional knights, and a round were 90 seconds and they were breathing very heavily because of their 30+ kilograms of armor. And I think Hal learned to be a knight, but the movie showed he was living his life in full, drinking and whoring around.
The exhaustion isn't that overexagerated imo, grappling and making big swings like they did wears you out a hell of a lot faster the fighting with less energy intensive strikes
When I watched this movie the other day I identified the half-sword block, thanks to what I've learned from this channel. Keep up the great work Skallagrim!
"Is that a Duke Nukem reference?" Little does he know, Duke Nukem himself was making an Army of Darkness reference. The famous bubblegum line was also a reference to an older film, They Live starring Roddy Piper.
I've watched the movie, I kinda liked it. I think the clumsiness and wild flailing were intentional, to show the immaturity and lack of experience of both fighters. Also the exaggerated fatigue, they are not men-at-arms or knights, they're young nobles in armor, and at least one of them has been living a life of debauchery and no training at all. Loved the video!
I thought this scene was crazy visceral. I watch tons of violent/gory stuff, but this scene, especially the kill almost disturbed me. It really put me in the moment. That leads me to say that I think the physical exhaustion could be partially from the fact that they are having a crazy adrenaline response to the situation. They are fighting for their lives. They’re both young and, despite the fact that they’ve both seen combat (at least their historical counterparts would have), they are probably afraid to die in what is ostensibly an even match.
That was one thing I really loved about that scene. Regardless of how accurate, they made it truly unique for a movie, because typically movie sword fights don't end up on the ground. In this sense, I felt like the fight scene was much more realistic, because no matter what sort of fighting one is doing, it almost always ends up going to the ground.
The problem with most movies that I have seen in the couple of decades is that they seem to take more from other movies, games and TV shows than from history.
I agree with the analysis on the first takedown. I was expecting the dagger to come out immediately after control was established. 1. the exhaustion part I can totally understand and it seems maybe slightly overplayed but still I would expect them to be exhausted in no time. Grappling takes an incredible toll on your cardio reserves, professional MMA fighters in modern age are trained much better and still gas out within minutes without the burden of plate and padding as well as breathing through a muffler. 2. The orange guy did not just collapse when his strike was parried, he tripped over the fallen mans legs. A+ for detail on their part, fuckups like that happen all the time in real life and you can easily go from fine to dead.
Greetings from England. You're absolutely right. Swords used for full armour combat were very tapered to an almost needle point to allow weak point penetration in the neck, armpit, groin and eye.
About the exhaustion, I think I can speak to that, and I think it is relatively realistic. I was a college lacrosse player. It is safe to say that in my prime, due to to modern nutrition and training knowledge, I had at least the same level of conditioning as a knight would have. Probably more. Getting into a wresting match with a buddy of similar conditioning at that time had us both absolutely exhausted within a few minutes. We recovered quickIy once we stopped, but those bursts of energy in grappling really take it out of you. I can't even begin to think what it would have been like to grapple for your life in armor.
@@smilenowsmileforever4226 Yeah, Bruce Campbell has made it clear several times in radio/podcast interviews that he is not a fan of Duke Nukem's humor partly coming from straight-up ripping off of the Evil Dead franchise.
@@Valkod23 Technically it goes back further to Elvis and fans bestowing the title on him. Of note though is that Elvis specifically refuted the title and all references to him as such stating "there is only one king, Jesus Christ." Cambell / Evil Dead is the one who embraced it.
I have to agree with most of what you said...though a couple points. Kicking and punching when fighting to the death would have happened; it may not have been to necessary cause damage, but to create openings and panic in your opponent. This would then allow the rondel/dagger grab a bit easier. Regarding the tiredness, we must factor they are fighting to the death. I have done a large amount of the MMA in my life, and also many tournaments in HEMA, not matter how trained you are, adrenaline dumps are a thing, and in a fight to the death, in front of two armies…good luck trying to reserve energy. I do not think these two would have been old enough and experienced enough to know how to control their emotions, adrenaline, and breathing to create a prolonged duel in that specific situation. We also assume, these soldiers were all really good, but, everyone who as either been in the military, police, MMA, HEMA knows there are fighters, good fighter, great fighters and one or two awesome fighters. What were Henry and Percy? Well we really do not know. Showing them as a little bit sloppy, tired, and imperfect may have been the correct path for this duel.
It’s funny as hell watching all the “experts” in the comments everywhere debate this movie. Just enjoy it for what it is. it has good stuff and bad stuff. Its definitely a lot better than 90% of the medieval films out there
The part were it shows them winded even thought they haven't been fighting that long is realistic, the best modern example is MMA, fans of, and people who actually compete at any level, will be able to tell you 1 minute can feel like 10 or 20 depending on your endurance. Real fights do not tend to last that long.
Great video, Skall! When I first saw this, I was thinking that it was more realistic than what we normally see, but I couldn't wait for your analysis. Too bad there was no pommel throwing :(
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wate nallace He died because the movie is based off Shakespeare’s play, Henry V, which is based off King Henry, only difference is that Sir John had a different name in real life. Sir John should’ve died earlier in the movie but they changed it slightly, but more or less the movie is based off of the play.
They definitely overstated the exhaustion factor. French Knights at Nicopolis for example, were able to fight for hours in their armor on Mediterranean weather, before succumbing to exhaustion and be captured by the Ottomans.
About the overplayed exhaustion: They were two nobles fighting, not really knights or men at arms. Henry spent his time frequenting brothels and taverns, in that movie's canon. So it makes sense for him to be out of shape a bit
(this has been mentioned in other comments) but it could be fairly realistic as UFC fighters get tired pretty quickly and they are at peak performance wearing shorts. I imagine fighting for your life with plate armor would tucker you out
That was the best knight fight I ever seen !!😊 it made me feel part of it , I was yelling why did you party so much ?? You could’ve had him in 2 seconds with practice 😮
This is the most accurate medieval duel I have ever seen in cinema. If you look at fights made by Dequitem, who does not use any choreography but has actual sparring fights, wrestling becomes inevitable. The only inaccuracy from 'The King' is that a duel wouldn't last a few minutes.... it could last hours. Wearing full armor, you will get tired quickly and its likely both knights would have their resting period. People really underestimate how difficult it would be to injure an armored opponent, unless you are just far bigger and can overpower them with a tackle.
Good analysis! What really stands out for me, (and I watched the film again last night), is that the fight ends up on the floor as a grapple. The armour might be a little off, the swords might be a little off, but most one on one fights between equal opponents have a huge tendency to "go to the mud". Historical accuracy of the rest of the film.....different story.
While The King isn't 100% accurate, I feel like they really got the *feel* of the combat down - the brutality of it all. This whole veneer of chivalry, and then once the visors are down they just wrestle in the mud like pigs. It's great IMO.
The king is based off of Shakespeare's Henry the Fifth and not the actual events. Henry in real life wasn't as 'averse' to violence as he was in the movie
Exactly. Authentic vs accurate.
People bash really hard on the "veneer" of Chivalry but people misunderstand that Chivalry was an ideal it was never a fact, it was something put forth as it was once said to make men who are good in war tolerable in times of peace and to make men good during times of peace valuable during times of war. The fact of life is that men who are good during times of war often find themselves out of place or entirely undesirable during times of peace and vice versa so chivalry was created in Europe to try an bridge this gap because the learned men of the day understood this problem of having a lot of well trained and well armed men who reveled in trials by combat, trials in this circumstance meaning just problems and not judicial trials.
Why should it be accurate? This movie got so many unfair reviews based on this silly position when it never claimed to based on true events.
Honestly, what shocked me the most in the movie is the use of hammers. Let's be honest, most directors wouldn't have.
It’s a missed opportunity really. The implication of maces and hammers would (a) create more historical accuracy, (b) make the movie more brutal, and (c) create a vibe like no other.
captianyomama4500 they have hammers and maces in the movie
It was quite good to see them use hammers when they gang up on the french knights. In other movies this would've been a lot of slashing and stabbing straight through the breast plate, while in this movie there was a lot of hammer bashing, grappling, stabbing in the neck and one guy getting drowned by being held with the face of the helmet in the mud.
Why were they using swords for the duel? Well from those manuscripts it definitely seems that it was done a lot (i mean someone mentioned it in a manuscript) so I'm gonna guess it was a tradition thing not to bring a hammer in a duel, even if it would be more helpful.
Gloomy Noodle I meant in movies in general
I think fights with hammers, maces and even axes are harder to choreograph. A strong hit with a rubber hammer (if the choreography goes wrong) probably still hurts a lot while a slash with a rubber sword is not so much to care about.
10:47 No, if you look closely, you can see that he has fallen over the feet of the other guy, which is also very good acting
at 10:45
Well, no, while tripping in that situation is possible, yes, he essentially falls over due to his swing and not due to stumbling into the fallen knight's legs/feet. And, honestly, that either needs to be a lot of momentum and or weight in the swing or extreme exhaustion (or both?). So, yeah, fallen over the feet of the other guy, sure, fallen because of the feet, not really.
@@LastGod99 Hard to say if it was supposed to be choreographed as a trip and didn't quite work, but he was definitely off balance from the swing anyway.
@Caramel Johnson That is true.
@Caramel Johnson and this is why knights and men-at-arms trained in armor for, to adjust to the changed point of balance, I don't know if it fits whit the story, but the two knights in the duel look quite poor trained ones
Honestly, I'm just happy that these guys' plate armor actually does what it's supposed to.
In general most armor in the movie does which is nice
Crap like this: i.ytimg.com/vi/CjoEfLFo6aM/maxresdefault.jpg is the cancer that haunts medieval fantasy/history
@@dkm4338 OMG I just remembered how Hound stabbed Mountain in S8 of GoT. That was one of the most stupid things I've ever seen in a movie fight. Not to mention literally everything else in this godforsaken season.
Dkm no it does not
Well except for the longbow arrows😐
King Henry was supposed to be out of shape, he hadn't been very "knightly" at that time, that's, why he was slopy, through the fight.
Wasn’t the other guy much more involved with fighting than Henry, yet he got tired around same time as him.
@@TheValkosuklaa But older.
TheValkosuklaa i mean henry got them both on the floor in a grapple fight of course they’re gonna be tired af
Oh Henry
yeah he was a drunkard wasn't he?
10:45 he falls over on purpose - watch his leg trip and where he positions himself to immediately be able to get on top.
The choreographer meant for that sneaky little trick and its a shame so many people miss it (no fault of your own)
Good Point its Like a sweep from Henry
Protein yea, that’s a very nice little detail and it’s hilarious how the people who set out to meticulously dissect fight scenes miss so many details.
I missed it. I even rewinded it to see what happened and still didn't catch until you pointed it out.
In no world is he falling on purpose , look at his posture added with being swung at by a blade and blocking it . Your bound to fall , he did use to it his advantage though .
@@destinkane797 That would be my read. He fell, but then got to use the fall.
Hes not dropping to the floor, he tripped him
I think he means Henry. Either way walking backwards, in a field, in armour, dodging a sword. I could believe Henry "Just falling"
@@helios4753 "He's just dropping to the floor from just having *struck* with a sword" not "being struck with a sword" so I think he's referring to the knight on the right, the 2nd one that falls. And, imo, he falls due to the swing and not due to being tripped since he falls with the swing and not after an attempt at movement/fixing his posture.
That said, you were talking about the first one falling and in that case I do indeed agree.
@@LastGod99 yeah his own swing does most of the work. But Henry still blocks his leg from the bottom. Which is why I say trip
Exactly!!!!
When it came to the ground grappling, maybe their relatively young ages, and hot headedness would lead to them electing to pound on each other rather than having the clarity to think "Pull my dagger and finish this."
They were also two men who knew each other from childhood, so Henry might have been hoping for a surrender once he tackled Percy. But Percy instead grabs his sword and tries to stab Henry, so the fight continues. There are very sensible story reasons for everything in this fight scene.
I disagree strongly with Skallagrim anyway. It's dumb to assume there's no fight left just because things are on the ground. Softening someone up first can help get the job done and you could almost certainly kill someone through their helmet by pounding their head into the ground.
@@scruggs6633 There is a lot of sensible story excuses for how in a hollywood universe the fight played out this way. There's nothing sensible about a fight like this happening in reality though, it looks and feels like a generic choreographed scene. It's not even the lack of historical accuracy, doesn't feel real.
@@7dayspking a good helmet can take a direct hit from a baseball bat with minimal damage to the wearer inside. Punching someone isnt likely to be effective.
@@MrHanderson91 Depends who's swinging the bat, on the bat and how it's swung. Punches are different from baseball bat swings, they're a lot slower and a lot harder.
Look up 'french ninja buhurt one punch man' first clip and 'buhurt tech fist knockdown'. I used to remember a number of different 5v5 matches where people were knocked out with one punch but I've got no idea how to find them now.
The punches would hurt but doing structural or surface damage through the helmet isn't the only danger. A good punch can land so hard that the head is knocked away very quickly, that sharp motion can compromise your immediate cognitive function or knock you outright unconscious. In both circumstances you're now vulnerable or completely incapacitated and unable to defend yourself at all. Hits like that can also cause serious brain damage or fatal brain swelling.
No simple rigid helmet will ever save you from being knocked out. If you watch American football (much better protective helmets.) when guys are hit in the head they're knocked out all the time.
It's probably me, but I would watch many more medieval movies if the fighting scenes were even a bit realistic, not weird karate sword lessons.
SkelMiguelTon Same, after learning longsword/sword and shield fighting, I cringe so often. But movies do what movies do, giving zero fucks!
They also hate Europeans and European history in Hollywood
Wesley Wallace considering the amount of medieval/fantasy movies they have I’m gonna say that’s super not true
Drakkar Calethiel while it’s cool to make things more realistic, I don’t see why they have to give any
@@ilitardo160 they feed you false history at the detriment of whites, and always bring up non-whites in a positive light. I'm not imagining it, we all see it.
Have to bear in mind though Skall, the mistakes in the duel such as the over-extension on the swing are probably intentional, to show you that Henry is a young lad who is inexperienced but still well trained.
The adrenaline and lack of experience in single combat force him to make mistakes and tire quickly, I thought that was really well done.
Good points. And fighting in heavy armour is not that exhausting in itself, if were talking about seriously trained people. What makes this different,though, is that theyre fighting for their lives. It would be reasonable to expect that theyre not going to get calm,focused and relaxed in a situation like that.
@@saloneju ever did mma? grapple a bit around and you are exhausted pretty fast. And if you wear armour that heavy and a full closed helmet? I can imagine even after 10 years of training, I would be out of breath. Especially if you fight for your life.
@@Iskandr314 It is exhausting, yes, but my point was - and I can speak from experience - that fighting/grappling in a full suit of armour itself is not nearly as exhausting as this scene makes it look like. The level of exhaustion depicted here resembles first-timers or relatively inexperienced fighters wearing armour. But of course,I have never fought in a life-threatening situation,that would be for sure a game-changer.
They’re also cousins, so it’s mentally straining too.
"like a bunch of LARPers who just raided a comic con" bahahaha
Church Watkins IV Even lots of LARPers have higher standards :D
Characters from Vikings looked like dirty bikers. Now if you watch Witcher, you will see what a bunch of larpers truly look like...
@@umartdagnir well i mean witcher is complete fantasy
@@umartdagnir Witcher is a fantasy dumbass.
The tapered swords were covered by "Crossbows by Todd" awhile ago. For safety, swords ran blunt and wide with almost no taper to reduce accidents.
Couldn’t they have just done it the way how the Witcher series did it? Like say, have 2/3 of the blade being on the prop in a half tapered shape while the rest of the needle point would be a little bit of cgi, also through the whole fight they weren’t gonna use the swords for the killing
I bet they're easier to film too
My guess about the sword not tapering is so that its easier for the audience to follow whats happening in the fight
Good point..... get it? :3
Yehnerz the Cranky UwU yes
Also for strength purposes. If you have a plastic sword for safety purposes it becomes very weak if it tapers, and would break in acting. Whereas if you have a steel, although dull, sword, it is still very dangerous if it tapers so much.
the tip on a tapered longsword is impossible to make safe for the actors too. i think this is as close as we'll get folks. I liked the movie, and the fights in it. agincort was phenomenal.
I think Todd made Video about that. I has more to do with the material used for the sword.
I bet the actors themselves were genuinely that exhausted though.
you could just do a cut and take a break if you didn't want to depict that.
Gavin Jenkins I don’t know if they meant to, but at this point in time Henry was out of shape. He was basically a royal peasant up until when his brother died
The real Henry trained all the time
@@gavinjenkins899 imagine doing 15 takes tho, even just spending an hour in the suits would be exhausting because of the heat. But they were probably actually exhausted and being exhausted is what they wanted
i did riot scenarios in the Army a few time in full gear which is a very little heavier than medieval plate Armour (not riot gear which is lighter) and you get exhausted in the first 30 seconds a 20 min scenario can feel like 4 hours
i notice a lot of historical youtubers greatly underestimate what genuinely meleeing in gear is actually like there's no breathers or foam swords or armour or long pauses its really hard even just having a firefight in full gear is exhausting
A historical fiction where everyone actually wears their helmets? What is this?
Yeah, but still most of the helmets look ridiculously like fantasy helms
@Vinnie P I'd rather be deaf than dead.
@Vinnie P in a scrum of 100s or 1000s of men all slashing stabbing and smashing....I'll take the lid.
Honestly amazing that more films don't have the main actors wearing helmets in fight scenes more often if only because it makes it much easier to do stunt work if the double doesn't need to look anything like the actor.
@@Nuvizzle only thing that needs to happen is roughly the same height and same body build so you can at least pass. And you don't need a lot of muscle (most of the time) to be a good stunt devil, just a lot of practice and training
"They're winded already???"
Watch UFC fighters. They're some of the strongest, fittest athletes on the planet and they get winded after the first round...
And they fight with only shorts and gloves on. Add armor and swords to that and the fatigue would settle in even quicker.
Not good fighters
@@nericohen-muaythai8875 I can assure you, yes good fighters. Even some of the modern guys who train hours a day to fight in the ACL championships get tired after a that minute mark, it's actually hell to fight in 70+ lbs armor, especially for extended periods, standing up and getting back to fighting.
I'm really out of shape now, I used to train three times a day for hours on end.
Cardio, techniques, shadow boxing etc.
Fighting and reacting to a opponent is a different animal.
Being gassed is different than being excited or adrenaline shooting through you.
Not every pro has great cardio.
But it is definitely a deciding factor.
I can still box or do what I have trained to do to a degree but your body will give out.
As bruce Lee said Boards dont hit back.
A person who trained this way would be miles ahead of the average guy.
Roman legionnaires did everything with their armour on.
Go swing a piece of wood or steel around see how you feel.
Also just about anyone back in that time would have incredible cardio compared to most now,
Think about everyday life it was much more strenuous.
i think the reason why they didn't have more tapered swords is for safety
I am just glad that for the most part everyone wears a helmet as so many movies don’t have the main characters wear helmets. As well as people using weapons other than swords, there are a ton of great dagger and hammer scenes.
Quickpaw Maud they’re are multiple accounts of Henry not wearing a helmet at least not the kind you would think he would wear
At least Henry in this scene was definitely not a trained knight, he spent his past years drinking and living a relaxed life lol.
"Hail to the king baby" is an Army of Darkness reference.
That's why duke says it
@@smilenowsmileforever4226 Damn straight!
It's an Elvis Presley reference at its core
@@daviddupree3242 I did not know that, but it makes perfect sense
Skall is not really a movie guy, he would probably complain about the lack of realism in the Evil Dead series :p
That seemed like a pretty decent fighting scene, all things considered!
despite its flaws its still the most realistic armored combat in movie history, sadly.
It's an excellent fight scene by the standard of most "historical" movies
"... or any of the other openings that present themselves in armor."
Just say groin. : >
Only ren fair wenches ramble about groin attacks.
Imagine if Hollywood movies added the historically accurate codpiece to fights.
Not Henry VIIIs groin. That man had a steel chode-condom.
@@angelsfallfirst7348 Uhm, groin does not mean genitals. ^.^
@@Leftyotism No, but seriously, check out his harness of armor and you'll see what I mean.
I believe the reason the sword tips barely taper is because of actual threats of harming the fighters while filming. I'm sure the costume department would have been aware of how the swords should taper in this time period... but they are using real swords, and there is a real chance of them causing serious harm. They can easily get rid of that threat by simply adding that width and leaving it to the audiences' imaginations.
I've seen a few vids on this film, some half praising and others ridiculing it. For me personally I enjoyed it. And from an amatuer medieval enthusiasts POV, I reckon they've done a nice job in making it feel realistic, yet still an interesting and believable story (even if not historically correct to the actual events)
Yeeeees. More praise for Maria the Virgin Witch. That show doesn't get nearly enough credit.
Kinda lost some steam in the last arc, but yeah it's a fun show with good animation, a nice story and the most historically accurate medieval fights you can imagine even though it's a show with monsters and big breasted succubi in BDSM clothing.
@@Knoloaify sounds fun
@@Knoloaify Big respect to japanese writers and animators on representing themes from foreign cultures with more accuracy and dedication than the foreigners themselves.
I'm currently watching The Ancient Magus's Bride, it's definitely the best take on british and irish celtic mythology I have ever seen.
I shown Maria to a deeply catholic friend of mine, and he got quite a bit offended by the show. He is not bigott he likes Lucifer, Miracle Workers, but Maria taken itself so seriously and hit catholic dogma so hard, he gotta hate it.
@@thelegendaryklobb2879 I totally was into Magus bride, all the mythology was awesome, and diggin up Carthaphilus to be a villain was hardcore.
Movie makers need to hire this guy for consulting already
No one cares if a sword fight is accurate
@@bgboy4861 lot of nobodies in the world
@@MiamiHeat872 flashys gonna sell over realism every time
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That is flashy and realistic
@@bgboy4861 The duelist uses realism in duels to drive a story between two characters and show their characters. Flashy will sell to mainstream but nobody will remember them, realism will be remembered and praised. it might not make as much money but you create a legacy for your film and career
Oh but when I say something negative about Vikings on Reddit people lose their shit in r/Norse
Why are you even wasting your time on r/Norse
Why are you wasting your time on Reddit?
Why are you wasting your time?
Why are you wasting?
Why?
Personally after watching the movie, I️ believe this scene was drawn out in that manner in order to add to the childish manner of the squabble as well as the issue as a whole.
Yeah I think they were trying to show that these were NOT experienced fighters.
The fact that not every single move in this scene is perfect actually adds to the realism in my opinion, if every move would've been exactly correct then it would've felt extremely choreographed instead. And the fact that both of these characters are relatively young, cocky and angry makes it more excusable that they're messing up at some points imo
As someone who has “rolled” in just a pair of trunks and a tshirt I can tell you that alone is exhausting. I can’t even imagine what it’s like in full plate armor. And from the point of view of just an authentic feeling/looking fight I say this is pretty good.
I loved this movie. The battles were amazing. Instead of hundreds of guys breaking off into a bunch of tiny unrealistic duels it was just pure brutality. According to this movie medieval battles were basically just giant mosh pits with everyone just trying not to get stabbed. If you like violent movies this is a must see.
10:46
He probably just slipped on the grass, then on the enemy's leg.
As a swordman reenactor, i can say that slipping on damp rocky ground or grass while fighting is a pretty plausible and common incident, even for a trained infantryman. That was a nice touch, brought back memories...and a lot of stars i saw after a bad smack on the ground XD
Well, they have they visors down, that's pretty accurate
Yeah my thoughts. It will exhaust them easily
They have helmets at all
Yeah, this actually the best armored fight on film that I know of.
"i'm not going to talk about the historical accuracy".
10 seconds later
*[starts talking about historical accuracy]*
W8
Yo somebody stole my sweetroll
Watched this yesterday and my first thought was "I hope Skal does an episode on this"
Hahaha fucking saaame.
Same haha, I thought he will talk about the final battle scene too
I'm no expert, but I did boxing as a teenager. The utter exhaustion felt extremely realistic to me. With heavy armor and sword plus using every ounce of strength for each blow any longer than a minute or two I believe would cripple you with exhaustion. We would do 3rounds 2minute each with headgear when I was boxing. I told this to someone once and they were like that's it and they chuckled. This person is overweight and has never been in a fight in their life and probably couldn't last 10 seconds in the ring but they think 3 2minute rounds is nothing. I spent over a year working out and training before my first fight, and I was extremely fit and played sports as well before I started training. It would take me a month to recover after a fight, because you give it all you got, and at the same time the other person is doing the same. Every blow you take rips energy and stamina from you. By the end of the second round 4 minutes into the fight your at the point you can barely move, you can't see straight because your vision is blurry, you can't catch your breath, your heart hurts because it's beating so fast, your so tired at this point you can barely keep your arms up much less go on the offensive. I know I'm not as fit as a knight, but I would run 6 miles every morning, lift weights, hit the heavy bag, 30 mins of jump rope, plus twice a week sparing as well. I believe the exhaustion I'd the most realistic aspect of this fight.
"mid-fifteenth century, so a bit later than this movie"
Agincourt was in 1415, so it's from like thirty years after, at most most, does pommel fashion change so much this bears mention?
I mean I doubt the first thing on the mind of the creators of the movie is “oh I better get this really small detail you’d only notice if you paused the movie right”
In Lord of the Rings, they bothered to decorate the *inside* of King Theoden's armor. The audience never sees it, but the actor did, and he said in interviews it made him feel more like a king on set. It showed.
The details you don't notice add up to something you do.
4:45 the reason the blades were not accurate was for film making. It is difficult to film thin blades compared to wider ones on top of being extremely dangerous even for expert stuntmen.
Tod of Tods stuff did the blades and has a great video on why the blade shapes will always be wrong in film.
I believe he did many of the blades for this show as well.
"so like... parking in Texas I guess"
As a Texan I can confirm this to be true
The USS Texas is in world of warships. And shes gorgeous
The blades cant be narrow because theyre rubber on the outside not steel.
Yep, and honestly they look great. You can't really tell they're props. In many movies they use props for slow scenes and you can see the sword has a blunt edge and a rounded tip and it looks horrible. If they would use the super pointed sharp blades, it would be crazy dangerous, even for the armored duel part.
Yep, Todd Cuttler explained this well. You cannot make a pointy sword for a movie if filmmakers cannot make an identical rubber prop for fights.
@@umartdagnir and thin ponty stuff looks horrible on camera
This fight made the movie for me. My mother, who had only seen typical movie knights, said, "They're not doing it right are they? Wrestling on the ground?" and I said, "No, they're doing it really well. THAT'S what a proper knight fight looks like."
Honestly good video, i mean i love Historical Accuracy and all but this is honestly going in the right direction. I feel if Netflix or whoever does more and more movies like this well get what we all dreamed of but none the less i found the film was really entertaining.
1:40 yeah! Who doesn’t love dying by dysentery because they knew boiling meat was safe but couldn’t figure out they should do the same with water for another 4 centuries despite mainly drinking distilled beverages…
The knowledge that boiling water can make it safer did actually exist, but they usually didn't have a good reason to do it. Water from wells, springsect. . was not as bad as people nowadays think, it was usually perfectly safe to drink. But just as today, there were of course exceptions where a source that normally gave good water was contaminated for some reason and then it was catastrophical. As I said, still happens nowadays, even in rich countries. Just not quite as often and we (in richer countries) have better medical possibilities to deal with the consequences.
And generally, the idea that people in the medieval age mostly drank ale/beer/wine because the water wasn't safe is mostly a long debunked myth. There is some truth to it at the core, but the way people tell it, it's just not correct.
And it's fair to say that those problems didn't stop with the end of the medieval age, but actually worsened for quite a time. Because population increased, cities became denser populated, hygiene worse (the medieval bathing culture kinda stopped in the early modern period) and waste products of new industries more dangerous and started to really mess with rivers and other water sources.
"It's like parking with guns and explosion, so parking in Texas" lmao
Fighting for a minute or two competitively kicks anyone’s ass. If 2 professional fighters are put in the cage for 2 minutes in a fight for their life they will probably shit themselves at the end of it because you wouldn’t be pacing yourself as if it were a competitive match or a larger scale battle. In a larger scale battle I imagine you’d engage and disengage because you have a line of troops in support on both sides and exhaustion is death. In a one on one duel to the death it’s 100%. I think being exhausted makes perfect sense, fighting for your life is exhausting. I have never been in a fight that lasted longer than a few seconds and I have been pretty tired at the end.
Thought it was a dead good move, with a decent Hollywood showing of harnesfechten!
Yeah it was a good movie, but, in my personal opinion, they kinda portrayed Henry V as a b¡tch compared to how he was in history and to how Shakespeare also portrayed him in his version (of which this film takes most of its cues from).
I’m just saying, the actor who played Henry V did a fine job and is certainly skilled at his craft, but did they really need to portray Henry V in this movie in such a reserved manner and have him cry like a b¡tch in that tent to (the completely fictional) Sir John Falstaff? And that issue at the end of the film with Sir William Gascoigne was pure nonsense for the sake of the story, most likely due to the propaganda from the Tudors over a century later.
By all accounts, the real King Henry V was a warrior-king with a heavily commanding and inspirational presence to his men. He also had great piety towards the Church, unlike how this film depicts him as dismissively acting towards his priests. King Henry V also genuinely did desire to seize France and had later ambitions to retake Jerusalem (plans that he would never be able to realize).
I appreciated how they portrayed him as a drunken and rambunctious youth before he became king, which was true. And after he was crowned, he surprised the many nobles of the court by actually being a natural leader that could strike both fear and inspiration into the hearts of his men, and he would fight shoulder-to-shoulder with his troops. And even still, he was also an accomplished diplomat and politician when he needed to be, but he actually had no issues with going to war and some might say that he even wanted it; it’s likely that he even reveled in it, given how ruthless and cunning he could be.
The drinking was more on the play then the real historical Henry
The endurance thing in the movie is real in my opinion. I watched the Knight Fight series where Knights from the Armored Combat League fought in a tournament, and most of them are prefessional knights, and a round were 90 seconds and they were breathing very heavily because of their 30+ kilograms of armor. And I think Hal learned to be a knight, but the movie showed he was living his life in full, drinking and whoring around.
The exhaustion isn't that overexagerated imo, grappling and making big swings like they did wears you out a hell of a lot faster the fighting with less energy intensive strikes
When I watched this movie the other day I identified the half-sword block, thanks to what I've learned from this channel. Keep up the great work Skallagrim!
"It's like parking, but with guns and explosions!
... So like, parking in Texas, I guess."
God bless America. :')
Good video Skal, always love the comments on a medieval fight scene
I lost it at "Like parking in Texas"
"Is that a Duke Nukem reference?"
Little does he know, Duke Nukem himself was making an Army of Darkness reference. The famous bubblegum line was also a reference to an older film, They Live starring Roddy Piper.
"Hail to the king, baby" is from Army of Darkness.
10:45 No, he actually gets tripped by the leg of the guy already on the ground
0:45 "like parking in Texas" ROFL XD
I've watched the movie, I kinda liked it. I think the clumsiness and wild flailing were intentional, to show the immaturity and lack of experience of both fighters. Also the exaggerated fatigue, they are not men-at-arms or knights, they're young nobles in armor, and at least one of them has been living a life of debauchery and no training at all. Loved the video!
I thought this scene was crazy visceral. I watch tons of violent/gory stuff, but this scene, especially the kill almost disturbed me. It really put me in the moment. That leads me to say that I think the physical exhaustion could be partially from the fact that they are having a crazy adrenaline response to the situation. They are fighting for their lives. They’re both young and, despite the fact that they’ve both seen combat (at least their historical counterparts would have), they are probably afraid to die in what is ostensibly an even match.
That was one thing I really loved about that scene. Regardless of how accurate, they made it truly unique for a movie, because typically movie sword fights don't end up on the ground. In this sense, I felt like the fight scene was much more realistic, because no matter what sort of fighting one is doing, it almost always ends up going to the ground.
7:38 ah yes the 1100's renound, *dagger fighting in plate armor Manuel* the best Manuel of the time period.
The problem with most movies that I have seen in the couple of decades is that they seem to take more from other movies, games and TV shows than from history.
Same with this one.
No one wants the duel to end in 20 seconds
@@roger5555ful Having a fight feel like a fight doesn't mean it has to end in 20 seconds.
7dayspking honestly it wasn’t that bad
@@imspoon7188 It's complete trash.
I agree with the analysis on the first takedown. I was expecting the dagger to come out immediately after control was established.
1. the exhaustion part I can totally understand and it seems maybe slightly overplayed but still I would expect them to be exhausted in no time. Grappling takes an incredible toll on your cardio reserves, professional MMA fighters in modern age are trained much better and still gas out within minutes without the burden of plate and padding as well as breathing through a muffler.
2. The orange guy did not just collapse when his strike was parried, he tripped over the fallen mans legs. A+ for detail on their part, fuckups like that happen all the time in real life and you can easily go from fine to dead.
0:45
Man i wish parking was like that here
or, wait... do i?..
I love that Skallagrim, Metatron, and Shad have overlapping videos that don't step on each other, but tend to fill out a better, fuller picture.
Can you do a video about the realism of runescape sword fighting?
Greetings from England. You're absolutely right. Swords used for full armour combat were very tapered to an almost needle point to allow weak point penetration in the neck, armpit, groin and eye.
You have any thoughts on Vinland Saga? It seems like a show you’d love.
About the exhaustion, I think I can speak to that, and I think it is relatively realistic. I was a college lacrosse player. It is safe to say that in my prime, due to to modern nutrition and training knowledge, I had at least the same level of conditioning as a knight would have. Probably more. Getting into a wresting match with a buddy of similar conditioning at that time had us both absolutely exhausted within a few minutes. We recovered quickIy once we stopped, but those bursts of energy in grappling really take it out of you. I can't even begin to think what it would have been like to grapple for your life in armor.
Even MMA fighters clearly get really exhausted quickly, and they don't have any armour. Fighting is very exhausting, it seems.
No armor will protect against being ended rightly.
Nice transition to the sponsor, and great analysis. Looks pretty good!
I get the feeling Henry is the better brawler
whenever a movie has bad medieval armor i just think eh must really be in the future
"Like parking in Texas!"
The quality of this video is noticeably high. Nice job.
It's not a Duke Nukem reference, it's a damn Evil Dead/Army of Darkness reference if anything.
That's why duke says it...
@@smilenowsmileforever4226 Yeah, Bruce Campbell has made it clear several times in radio/podcast interviews that he is not a fan of Duke Nukem's humor partly coming from straight-up ripping off of the Evil Dead franchise.
It's a historical phrase used for real kings, not a reference to any of the modern entertainment using it ironically.
@@Valkod23 Technically it goes back further to Elvis and fans bestowing the title on him. Of note though is that Elvis specifically refuted the title and all references to him as such stating "there is only one king, Jesus Christ." Cambell / Evil Dead is the one who embraced it.
I really liked this video. You explained how this fight would have happened while still respecting and appreciating the effort made in the movie.
Yes, armored dueling, my cup of tea, or should I say tin can of tea
Especial in England!
Armor of Thorns agreed
Awesome analysis! Hollywood should hire you as a consultant. :)
Those strange helmets really peeve me if I'm honest. Hound skull bascinets look so cool and it's a shame to not see them used.
I have to agree with most of what you said...though a couple points. Kicking and punching when fighting to the death would have happened; it may not have been to necessary cause damage, but to create openings and panic in your opponent. This would then allow the rondel/dagger grab a bit easier. Regarding the tiredness, we must factor they are fighting to the death. I have done a large amount of the MMA in my life, and also many tournaments in HEMA, not matter how trained you are, adrenaline dumps are a thing, and in a fight to the death, in front of two armies…good luck trying to reserve energy.
I do not think these two would have been old enough and experienced enough to know how to control their emotions, adrenaline, and breathing to create a prolonged duel in that specific situation.
We also assume, these soldiers were all really good, but, everyone who as either been in the military, police, MMA, HEMA knows there are fighters, good fighter, great fighters and one or two awesome fighters. What were Henry and Percy? Well we really do not know. Showing them as a little bit sloppy, tired, and imperfect may have been the correct path for this duel.
It’s funny as hell watching all the “experts” in the comments everywhere debate this movie.
Just enjoy it for what it is. it has good stuff and bad stuff. Its definitely a lot better than 90% of the medieval films out there
a wower right here :) i really enjoy your videos man. greetings from argentina
The part were it shows them winded even thought they haven't been fighting that long is realistic, the best modern example is MMA, fans of, and people who actually compete at any level, will be able to tell you 1 minute can feel like 10 or 20 depending on your endurance. Real fights do not tend to last that long.
Great video, Skall! When I first saw this, I was thinking that it was more realistic than what we normally see, but I couldn't wait for your analysis. Too bad there was no pommel throwing :(
Ironically, the anime is more realistic than the real thing...
The most realistic film I ever seen th-cam.com/video/ljExTEPNFnM/w-d-xo.html
The most impressive fencing training I ever seen th-cam.com/video/Yegd3YpjmWY/w-d-xo.html
Kleiß but skall said so himself though “Maria the virgin witch has a more realistic armor fight scene, even if it has fantasy elements like magic”
At 10:50 he doesn't just drop from swinging, Hal dodges and trips him.
1/10 they did not throw the pommels
Drowning in a helm is a real thing for sure. Has happened a few times when I was first fighting in Buhurt.
SPOILER ALERT: idk why but when sir John died that really hit me in the feels
wate nallace He died because the movie is based off Shakespeare’s play, Henry V, which is based off King Henry, only difference is that Sir John had a different name in real life. Sir John should’ve died earlier in the movie but they changed it slightly, but more or less the movie is based off of the play.
They definitely overstated the exhaustion factor. French Knights at Nicopolis for example, were able to fight for hours in their armor on Mediterranean weather, before succumbing to exhaustion and be captured by the Ottomans.
I recently found your channel again after losing it after a couple years. Nice to be back
About the overplayed exhaustion: They were two nobles fighting, not really knights or men at arms. Henry spent his time frequenting brothels and taverns, in that movie's canon. So it makes sense for him to be out of shape a bit
(this has been mentioned in other comments) but it could be fairly realistic as UFC fighters get tired pretty quickly and they are at peak performance wearing shorts. I imagine fighting for your life with plate armor would tucker you out
That was the best knight fight I ever seen !!😊 it made me feel part of it , I was yelling why did you party so much ?? You could’ve had him in 2 seconds with practice 😮
This is the most accurate medieval duel I have ever seen in cinema. If you look at fights made by Dequitem, who does not use any choreography but has actual sparring fights, wrestling becomes inevitable. The only inaccuracy from 'The King' is that a duel wouldn't last a few minutes.... it could last hours. Wearing full armor, you will get tired quickly and its likely both knights would have their resting period. People really underestimate how difficult it would be to injure an armored opponent, unless you are just far bigger and can overpower them with a tackle.
An interesting detail I noticed at 10:45 was that he didn't just fall over - he tripped over his opponent's legs.
As a medieval enthusiast and replica armour/sword owner, I absolutely loved this movie and its fight scenes
Next video can you teach how to use a single hand viking battle axe?
Good analysis! What really stands out for me, (and I watched the film again last night), is that the fight ends up on the floor as a grapple. The armour might be a little off, the swords might be a little off, but most one on one fights between equal opponents have a huge tendency to "go to the mud". Historical accuracy of the rest of the film.....different story.
I haven’t seen the movie, but from the clips I’ve seen it appears both the fighters are young so that may be why they’re so tired
Pretty good vid and a review Skall! Sharing this :D