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Actually, subwoofers are usually the only option for someone who doesn't have extremely well treated room (no one with a 3-digit budget and most with well over that), since the speakers won't be able to output the full frequency range at the listening spot (there is no use of monitors that go below 50 Hz if you have a null at 40 Hz).
You'll usually have two different sweet spots for the bass - in one position, certain frequencies will null, while in the other they will peak, so the "mid range" driver and the sub will complement each other from different positions.
Of course, in order to make it work you need a good sub, good measurements, dsp and knowledge of acoustics, which starters (and most advanced producers) don't have.
I’d have to respectfully disagree with your take on woofer size. Had the yamahas with the 8 inch woofer, now have amphion one15s with 5,25 woofers. While the volume of the low end is for sure louder on the yamahas, the amount of useful information down there is far superior in the amphions. they roll off below 50 quickly, but you can make decisions about the low end, kick/bass far more easily on the amphions. yes i know it’s not an apples to apples comparison, the amphion is in a completely different price range. just wanted to make a case to show that it’s not as simple as the bigger the woofer the better. also smaller woofers have a huge advantage over bigger ones. They’re faster. that’s a big one for transient response.
Also when someone’s buying their first pair of speakers, chances are their room isn’t treated yet. in those cases having a speaker with less bass might be a better option. a huge amount of low end getting out of control could be really ugly
anyway.. just my 2 cents
100% agree
Why respectfully disagree. Just disagree.
This another bad advice vid , sorry Jon but people starting out would be well set up with a decent set of heads phones paired with something like the jbl last 305 which do go down below 50hz and can be heard. You then say the next level is like the b studio 3 ways which have 2 woofers in them that is NOT a 3 way. I purchased a set of Kali In8 which are 3 way woofer/mid/tweeter.
You end up in saying basically we all need the huge ATC which is BS, ever since you spent in excess of 10k per speaker you have tried to justify them yet so many other famous studios don’t have speakers this size, you just wanted to have club size speakers in a little studio.
Also you go on about how you built all the studio properly and measured everything, yet to this day it’s still not finished. The front wall never got done, the speakers unfinished, the ceiling was a stop gap as you original design fell through.
Anyone watching this vid should go elsewhere for monitor advice there are far more places that give independent professional advice
I know what you mean. Sometimes it feels like he's just talking to come up with a video for the day. I made the comment when he got the ATCs that countless world class studios that pump out classic after classic don't have anything close to these. Way overkill.
@@tb80038 Garrix made Animals and other countless hits in an untreated room with KRKs. Should anyone with a treated room and/or better speakers switch to his setup until they accomplish something worthwhile? And what exactly is a world class studio? Blackbird Studios and Metropolis (UK) are world class, and they have very high end systems. I also think the ATCs are probably overkill, but if it helps attract more clientele for his mixing/master services, is it so bad? Who are we to say how he spends his money?
What are decent headphones in your opinion? I like the JBLs you refer to, but those aren't reaching below 50Hz accurately, otherwise they'd cost a lot more.
And who cares if the studio's not finished? Which is more important: making music in a studio or finishing the last 10% of its construction?
There's no Kali speaker known as the "LN-8." There is the LP-8, which is a two-way, and there is the IN-8, which is a 3-way coaxial speaker. All Kalis are phenomenal for the money.
You could have made your valid points with slinging hate, my man.
I own a set of Adam Audio T7V. They were affordable and because of the 7” woofer, the bass is great. Hooked them up with XLR and they’re rock solid in a large home studio. Can recommend!
As long you have the ears:
The room
The room
and the room.
Then the speakers.
And if you don't have the room: a good pair of hearphones.
I mean by good pair a decent quatility ones but, most important, a pair your brain knows by heart, a pair you use since 5 years at least, a pair on which you've listen days and weeks of music. Far better than crappy speakers in a poor room.
You talk stupid things ... if someone has a reduced budget, I recommend buying good headphones instead of monitors at the beginning, I will not agree that 5 "woofer is bad because it is enough at the beginning, I cannot imagine 8" monitors in the room without acoustic adaptation
5" woofer usually cut off at already 100Hz so pretty much useless for most Music. yes headphones can be an alternative but this video is just purely about speakers. hope this makes sense to you
Agree, puting more than 300$ in a pair of speakers without room treatment is a loss.
There’s no point in buying tiny speakers for EDM.
Smaller speakers paired with a subwoofer are actually a better choice for smaller rooms than getting two 8inch monitors.
I myself bought two 8inch monitors long ago because of videos like this - and a friend recently tried out the subwoofer combo. In comparison, he definitely made the better choice. The 8inch monitors just take way more space on my desk than the 5inch monitors and the subwoofer can handle low frequencies way better than the 8inch monitors.
But are you or your friend making music professionally, or just as a hobby?
@@CarrionSmile probably for video games
also would love to hear your take on nearfields vs mains. i’ve never worked on mains extensively, but for me a good pair of nearfields feel like a better mixing tool. my point is that a set of mains like the ATCs might not be “better” in every possible way. “better” depends on what’s your goal and use case i guess. might be something important to consider since the price difference can be huge between mains and nearfields
Good video Jon, I have had 2 way speakers for 15 years. I could never seem to get what I wanted out of them. they were good name brand monitors not cheap ones. Maybe it was me? Since the end of 2023. I have a 3 way large speaker set up. I am not going to need another set of Monitors again. These Monitors do it all for me. These are buy a new speaker Manufacturer. The owner showed me his custom designed Monitors and I was sold. Weindorf Audio Systems.
Do you have your room acoustic measurements that you can share with us? Just to understand from what are you mixing in.
I made a mistake and bought Focal CMS 40s which have no low end!! Now I have GAS and want to upgrade, but before I did, I got some acoustic treatment and even the dinky 4inch woofer sounds better in my small room. I think I can upgrade now to another speaker...maybe a Focal Twin or Barefoot Footprint 02 or something in that mid-range.
I'm sorry but in the first three minutes there is so much bs
There are a lot of 5-6 inch speakers going to 40Hz and even below (+-3 dB)
You don't need 8 inch speakers especially not in small rooms
Not having the lowest bass response isn't a very big issue if you have proper headphones to work on the Lowend. For almost everything else speakers are better
You can get some good speakers (jbl lsr 305) especially used for a super good price and if you invest all the money you saved into room acoustic treatment you can get a way better result. The jbls have a very good frequency response for the price and can help you get started(49 - 20k Hz +-3dB) for ~240€ a pair
And also if you don't have the necessary acoustic treatment a low bass response won't help you with anything.
For reference I study audio communications at tu Berlin and measuring speakers is partly what we do there. These measurements are accurate
for the styles of music I mentioned you just need to hear 50Hz properly and on most smaller speakers that's just not possible. Some small speakers can output lower frequencies but than they usually cost even more. I was referring to ultra small budget speakers that just can't produce anything below 100HZ
he means 6" speakers for the lower budgets won't go down that low, and that's not even mentioning accuracy. Usually high end speakers like Footprint 02s are reaching that low with 6" woofers with accuracy
@@Tegneaufreak I'd like to know too
@@Tegneaufreak hedd type 05 mk2 with the low extension
In a smaller room a subwoofer can actually aid in speaker placement since the subwoofer can be placed in such a way that the standing waves in the room is less of a problem. Placing it is hard (as you say) but it is waaaay harder and way more expensive to change the shape of the room (might not even be possible). One of the best systems i have worked on was a calibrated Genelec system with a sub (in a treated room of course). Currently i am producing on a pair of Equator D8 speakers in an untreated room (our guestroom in the house) and my solution to get really accurate sound for mixing and producing has been to get a pair of really good headphones (Audeze LCD-X got them used for half price). And man i love those headphones. Now i make most decisions in headphones. I use the speakers because they are fun and its a bit more relaxing working on the for long sessions when writing music. But mix decisions are made using the headphones and my mixes have improved as well as the speed at which i can make those decisions.
for a small home studio get a 6 inch woofer with a ribbon twitter, something like Adam or Samson... ribbons usually have separate volume control so you can carve the sound according to you room setup.
Great video! I have a home studio (lightly acoustically optimized), just for a hobby, not for making money. For many years I was running Cubase and a Tascam DM-4800 console and Mackie's HR824 Mk1 studio monitors. But I switched to Presonus Studio One as a DAW, sold my DM-4800 and bought a Presonus StudioLive 64S, because I have a lot of stuff to connect. And now I'm considering replace my Mackie's for ADAM's A77H monitors. The reason, at this moment I'm using the Sonarworks SoundID plugin on the listening bus, and it works. But it is possible to load the calibration file into the A77H monitors, so I don't need the listening bus anymore in Studio One. My question is, is it better to invest in optimizing my studio acoustically? But the second question is, how do I know, what I have to do, to get the full spectrum range balanced? Or, just go for the ADAM's, and recalibrate? I know, it's a tough question, but maybe you have an opinion on this subject.
Regards
Mark Hofland
Hi, I am looking for a bit of advice.
I am an aspiring dance
music producer and I am planning on improving my production this year
and taking it all a bit more seriously and potentially making it into a
living.
My current monitor is set up as follows. I have a set of Rokit 5 Rpg3 and a Focusrite 2i2.
I
am currently in the market for a better / second set of monitors for
another reference, however, I am and not sure what to get. This is what I
am looking to achieve in my studio.
I want to be able to switch
between 2 sets of monitors, dim the volume, mute the volume and also
switch between stereo and mono and alos switch between headphones.
Also,
I would like the new set of monitors to complement the frequency of my
rockits I currently have, as in, when I flick between the 2 sets of
monitors they don't sound much the same, but rather have different
curses on the spectrum, etc for mixing like a car/iPhone/studio/club,
etc
I have a DJ setup that I would like to channel through the
same 2 sets of speakers which I am currently doing by using 1/4 jacks
through the line inputs on the Focusrite 2i2. I also have a Rode NT1 but
I don't use it much only when recording other Artists as I don't sing
myself.
My budget is about €500. And I am currently considering the following:
Option 1
Keeping my current set up and buying
2 x Yamaha HS 7 or Yamaha HS 7 MP (Not sure of the difference)
Mackie Big Knob Passive
Option 2
Selling my Focusrite 2i2
Mackie Big Knob Studio
2 x Yamaha HS 7 or Yamaha HS 7 MP (Not sure of the difference)
Option 3
Either one of the interface options above
but changing the monitors to 2 x Adam T7V or similar?
Thanks and looking forward to hearing what you guys think.
What are the dimensions of your ATC monitors room?
What tier 3 monitors would you suggest for a 10’ (w) x 25’ (L) properly treated room? I have my eye on footprint 01 or eve 4070’s or the new PMC8-2’s
I don’t want any Sub
27 years production and studio experience in hip-hop
Dear Jon,
After watching this video I have some confusion and it's bothering me a lot. I had my eyes on a pair of Neumann KH 80 (4") and KH 750 Sub system. My room would be about half the size of your room and big speakers is a total no for the size of my room. It's extremely rare people have anything bad to say about the small KH 80s, especially coupled with the KH 750 sub. Now, after watching this video should I just ignore all of the things stated above and get at least 6-7" speakers (maybe adam a7x or genelecs)? I am upgrading from KRK's which I had for 7 years. My room is also slightly treated: first reflections & bass traps. This video has caused a huge dilemma within me as I was looking forward to upgrading from my KRK's after 7 years of usage. I hope you can help clear some of my confusions. Great video nonetheless, thank you!
I personally would always go for an option without sub. But every room is different if you really want to know you need to test them with a measurement mic in your room
Hi Jon after watching this vid I went straight to ebay and as of today have myself a pair of Yamaha HS8 and HO. LY. SH. IT. I have been flying blind until now. Yours was the first video that just said "get 8 inch speakers otherwise no point". Might finally have a chance to create some decent mixes at last.
My room is treated so was no-brainer to upgrade speakers. TY.
I would definitely say headphones should be the first thing someone new should invest in and learn your monitors and your mixing environment
I can definitely agree on your opinion.
yes
Mixing on headphones is a struggle
Bigger isn’t always better, many 2 way 8 inch designs can often miss the midrange
that's not what she said lol
got some hs80m on the way right now!! it was between those are the krk 8 g3, hoping I made the right choice
It depends on the room size I can't buy 8inch cone speaker using a small room
If you could spend 10-30,000 on a pair of monitors and subs which would you buy?
you still consider kii to be good for mixing and mastering?
I would not agree with the 5inch woofers statement.
Most of the things that we perceive as musical and also contains spacial information in the mix, lies somewhere in the range roughly between 200Hz-2kHz.
Frequencies below 200Hz we start to feel more, then hear and at the end of the day, if you know what you're doing, you can tame them combining speakers, headphones and maybe most important, the analyzers (spectral & oscilloscope at most I'd say).
On the other hand if you don't have accoustic treatment of your room, the whole range of arguably the most important frequencies (200Hz-2kHz), will be very blurred and you won't be able to hear a "space" of elements. When I treated my room, only then reverbs, delays and spacial effects started making true sense to me.
So in my conclusion it is far better to spend 200 on speakers and 300 on treatment than 500 on speakers without any treatment. But of course, you have to know what you're doing in the low end.
Jon, between the Yamaha HS 8s and the Eve sc207, which would you recomend?
Thank you 🙌🙌
me with Behringer 1c-bk ........ to be honest it was better than the tiny Bluetooth speaker.
how was it working on the kii threes when you had them?
Without the sub the low end was to little. Started cutting at around 50hz
First of all: thanks very much for your recommendations.
One question:
Would you consider a good pair of open headphones (e.g. Neumann ndh30) paired with a good amplifier (e.g. SPL Phonitor One with the crossfeed feature) still being a better solution compared to a decently treated room (lets say around 1k$ treatment) with good three way 2k$ speakers? (e.g. Dynaudio lyd48)
Thanks very much in advance.
Very good Video!
I love Jon's videos but that first point about woofer size??? Have to disagree, Yamaha Hs5, KRK Rokit 5, etc are just fine for a small studio. keyword is "small", which is probably 90% of all music studios
Hmmm I agree that you should be able to hear lower bass frequencies but then you should get a decent sub (or rather 2), a lot of great music was mixed on 5" monitors, Amphion One15s are popular for a reason, if your music sounds good on small speakers, then chances are that more people will actually be able to enjoy the music.
people are usually using the One15s in conjunction with a subwoofer
@@ACDevastation Yup, used mine with two SVS SB-2000 Pros. In the end you only use the subs to check if your mix is working in the low end but if it sounds good on the One15s it will translate pretty much everywhere, their transient response is amazing and phase problems or overcompression become super apparent.
There’s no low end to them, even the two18s are going to need a sub for EDM.
@@Underview I have two SVS SB-2000 Pro subs hooked up to them, they go down to an audible 14 hz in my studio... For mixing I mostly rely on the speakers since most people don't have the necessary tech to hear the low-end one tends to throw at songs, so basically my subs are just for checking, the real mix should sound good wherever you listen to stuff even if it's just a phone.
What was used in the install of the ATC's The yellow blocks under the speakers?
you can eq your monitors to sound better
This is really great advice.
You from Germany?
You are THE MAN! This helps so much
Hey Jon, how do you compare your ATCs to previous EVEs SC3012?
I'm curious to know what happens when you move the studio? Can you salvage materials?
The last video ever watched for speaker buying guide I always confused that should I pair a sub with my hs8. Now I have the answer. Thanks Jon I love ATCs and your new studio is amazing. I love the lights
So kali audio in5 is useless because there is no bass?
My next investmend is a PMC 6-2 pro and extansion sub PMC8 pro with the options XBD subs conviguration... 😍😉 Preis 14990.- for this paar of speakers😂🤗😇😁
if you can't tell the difference between a budget and a high end speaker in an untreated room then your ears are the issue.
Your music from 0:28 sounds amazing on my phone!
I will stick with my headphones. I can record and mix anywhere and know what I am going to get.
you can, but with monitors you can mix 50% faster
@@nofood1 Says who? And how well will it translate if you have less than optimum acoustics?
My question is that if I get the HS8s and planning to also get a sub wouldn't it be better to get a smaller size monitor?
I have the HS8s with a sub and I have been mixing with those for 16 years. He is right about the low end, you do need to hear it to mix properly. Buying a sub will do the job and save you money. The highs and mids on the Yamaha are good and you can go wrong with it as long as you have a sub.
@@SeriousTipStudio can you recommend a sub that you think would go well with the hs8s
@@1995dlink try the Yamaha HS8S or the ADAM T10s. They sound good and the price is still low. 12" to 11" subs sound better but these sound very good and will do the job for you. My sub is a 12" but I have an amp to power it. Just blend the sub with your speakers to the point that you almost don't even notice it's there.
Hopefully, this will help you.
@@SeriousTipStudio Thanks!
Hey Jon what happened to your eve audio
The ID track sounds much phatter! I'm sorry people think you're advice is crap because it's mostly spot on. :(
Are you implying Genelec makes 5" monitors for people who don't fully understand mixing and frequencies?
Hello Jon,
I have been following you for like 2-3 years and I really want to learn music production. I don’t have any background in music but after thinking for a long time, I have decided to learn Piano in order to understand the basics in music. So am I doing this in a correct way or there’s something else you recommend to learn?
Much love and support from Egypt ❤️
thats a good start if you have the time also lern a DAW
@@Jonsine Alright 👍 Thank you so much for replying back Jon 🌹
regalame tus yamaha =(
Can you make a "M1 MacBook Air 1 Year later still good" video plsss?
what about IK Multimedia MTM ?
my god will you get them cables managed
Isn't this what subwoofers are for?
I was with you until we got to the $6,000.00 per monitor speakers lol
I think knowing your room and speakers is a big thing aswell. Listening to a lot of music that is released by big artists or labels through your speakers can really help you to learn how music is 'suposed' to sound on them.
yes that is possible to an extend but will cost some time since you need to a and b check a lot more with other tracks
@@Jonsine I'm also not a fan of the A-B method. What I mean is that you spend a few hours just listening to music on your speakers and subconsciously you get a picture in your head how the music is 'suposed' to sound. I think even with a near perfect speaker setup like yours you need some sort of reference.
such episodes I understand
Great vid 👌
Also, I cannot believe he called the yamaha hs8s "entry level"🤣
🤣🤣🤣
ATC mains are 25k+.
🤣
Kali lone pines... end of conversation...
nope, kali in-8 end of the conversation lol
You bought £17,000 speakers!
Most accurate assessment on monitors...
Hey Jon, I know you mentioned that sub woofers are a big no no. But for many bedroom producers, the reality is they have limited space, (my case 3.5m x 3m ). Is there any way to make the sub and small cone system work? I’ve had to sell my HS7s due to recent space restrictions and considering splashing out on a Genelec 8010/8020 + sub combo. Would even consider the 8320 with room correction if it meant not having to rent another space.
this highly depends on the room so I can't really help. but the room dimensions are your biggest factor. try it measure it
repetitive click-baite... :(
like r u a sound engineer or somethin?... what do you mean by "Ultimate" ? dont get it
don't worry you'll get it eventually :)
@meLoNa Do you know what the word means?
all this work so the music can wind up playing on 10 dollar speakers
Got the M-Audio BX8 D3 recently (8 inch speakers). They cost 130 - 140 € each and are more than enough for every bedroom producer in my opinion.
I'm considering them. I've never seen anyone say a bad word about them yet.
This guy is telling the truth. All the haters in the comments literally don't know what they're talking about and just want to feel right for their ego
Your ATC Speech sounds like you had to convice your girl :-) I exactaly know these kind of conversations...."I have to buy this 2k synth once and then you dont need the other three smaller ones and so on......"
Agree with you, but someone didnt like to hear that hahahahah
I would even go for some good headphones before jumping into buying speakers. Even the low tier speakers need some accoustic treatment or they are useless.
I had to mostly produce on headphones this year due to a ongoing construction project. Believe it or not but my mixes on headphones sounded pretty good. Listening to music on the same headphones all day makes your decisions better.
Yes I know low end is an issue and I already have some plans on improving the accoustics of my room. Overall I think this video covers it pretty well.
You justified my decision not to subscribe to your channel as soon as you said "if he doesn't know anything about music theory, the speaker, the room won't help him. He doesn't even know what to listen for". - At the 11:30 point in the video.
Enjoy buying gear without knowing how to use it
I bought myself old Krk VXT8 monitors, I really like them)
What about Neumann KH120 or A7X?
Jon you normally give good recording information but you are way off on this one my friend. Everyone mixes totally different in different environments with different setups and different monitors. There's no way you can't mix on some very good entry-level speakers. Music that's played on every music platform on the planet and only using $300 -$400 monitors. Besides the every day listener could care less if the song was mixed on ear buds as long as the song is well arranged and performed well. I can ask a thousand people how you like a certain song and they'll say it's good or bad. One thing I know for sure is they are not going to ask what I use Kali, Yamaha, JBL, KRK, Adam, Focal? If it sounds good it is good.
you used neumann no ?
You can’t mix what you can’t hear.
Shiiit. These new tunes will turn out so dope 🔥🔥🔥
Adam t7v - more expensive that they want
Actually thinking about getting these
@@silvaadams You should compare few sets by yourself, but theese are great, real deal for the price.
I compared them with these John's yamahas h8 but Adams won.
@@silvaadams I have them but they need a sub - they are amazing but needs a sub esp if you make music with lots of low end
I bought the T8V for $50 more you get a better bass response.
@@AdventureswithJack453 better depends on Your room .... in small room they could get boomy
I ❤ your new track at the outro, Jon! Greetz from Belgium
thank you
I have adams t5v, is it worth to upgrade to yamaha hs 8?
hey Jon I've noticed that you getting 15 dislikes in a lot of your videos! I think you got someone trying to troll your channel my good brother! keep the nice work up!
yeah someone with multiple accounts always in the first minute but it helps the videos actually. engagement is key :)
How did you know I was looking for speakers?
Jon Sine always knows :)
Du nervst extrem
Hi Jon...
I dont know which one i should buy...my first pair was the T7V + 10" Sub
Budget 2k or so... Studio is treated enough ( big basstraps everywhere Absorber at every wall cloud over the Listingposition and Diffusor in the Back Room is 12qm ~
Something like A77X or Hedd Type 07 or so.
Thanks for any advice.
Nice Video as alwalys.
the limiting factor will be your room size 12qm is small for the lower frequencies the two speakers should be enough for the room. I would order both and test them against each other
@@Jonsine thanks Jon ❤️👍
I have the adam t7v's, there really great and pretty cheap
Where I'm fr 🇯🇲 Yamaha's at 190+ thousand dollars they're not entry level atleast not at that price 😂
Wow, lotta haters on here in the comments section..Makes me wonder why y'all are even following and/or subscribed to Jon's videos in the 1st place if ya just gonna crap all over his video. I'm sure y'all can find better things to do with your day, drinking up all that haterade..😂...thirsty producer's.
Great video. These comments are absurd. Acoustics is such a stressful and heartbreaking topic. You can spend a fortune on absorbers and take up all the space in your room and still have massive peaks and valleys. One guy will say 4 subs will solve everything while the next guy will tell you to rebuild your entire room. But you have to do something.. we can’t be stuck in poor rooms
Yeah, that's true, but the frequency response peaks are not the main problem of your room acoustics anyway. Early reflections are, and for that the acoustics treatment will help dramatically.
You can get used to imperfect frequency response and compensate for that, but the early reflections will completely blur what you hear with delayed sound coming to your ear from different points of your room at different times.
@@TheJimmyAXE yeah, the early reflections are easy for my room. It’s the low end that is the challenge