The thing with Alice is that whenever she becomes good, they nerf her to the ground. Even if this revamp makes her "better", I already know they will be nerfing her not long after it, like they've done with all of the 5973728 revamps they did to her.
Alice -Short range for basic atk being unable to hit minions -LOW HEAL AT AROUND 300 WHICH IS BAD AND ALSO REGEN AGAISNT CREEP IS 25% -Bad damage scaling in early game -WTF WERE YOU DOING MOONTOON 👁️👄👁️ - jungler role is unplayable -Exp too because of the f7cked up short range
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for me, i think it's much better if they give back her old ultimate from way back 2018 if i'm not mistaken, where it has cooldown and of course mana usage. then, her new ult now becomes her passive that triggers whenever she deals damage (conditionally).
@@rykrisper639 yep. That was when I started to notice her and used her on rank games. I can 1v5 enemies. Simply dive in using 1st skill-ult before teleport, use 1st skill again before the ult ran out and dash out.
I mained Alice when i started playing the game, i kinda miss her old passive and skills. She was a late game monster before. The more stack you have the, tanker she gets. She was fun to play before.
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Alice was fine just before the meta jg update when people were banning her in draft, they buffed the hell out of her then nerfed her soo bad over several updates and made her worse than she was before the jg update. It was really rare to see a jg alice before that update but it was possible to do since I was able to reach global 9 as solo player with like 9.2k mmr
Alice -Short range for basic atk being unable to hit minions -LOW HEAL AT AROUND 300 WHICH IS BAD AND ALSO REGEN AGAISNT CREEP IS 25% -Bad damage scaling in early game -WTF WERE YOU DOING MOONTOON 👁️👄👁️ - jungler role is unplayable -Exp too because of the f7cked up short range -Wave clear is Bad
@@geraldleoliou408 I played advanced server, she's a bad pick rn because heroes like terizla, yz, and Soyou would dominate her. she can't even pick up her items
Seems like another huge nerf, with clock nerf she cant grt enough magic power to have consistant healing. Her healing was reduced by like 30% and her dmg comes from 2nd skill not ult, so its really just another nerf
Alice becomes unpopular->they buff/rework her->she becomes popular->she gets nerfed->she becomes unpopular-> and here we are with another buff/rework. Never ending cycle by the smartest devs in the world. Maybe she's getting a new skin so it's time get some buffs🤡
i really hope hok makes a new hero that has the same skill set as the old alice so then the old alice mains would switch to hok and ml will bring her old kit back
After i observe this i think Alice can now be more of a tank. Alice could also be really good as a fighter a lot better than now because she now doesn't need to relay on mana equipments and now focus on dmg ones.
I DO NOT CARE, BRING BACK OLD ALICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HER HEAL IS NOW SO BAD AND NOW I HAVE TO WAIT 13612973619236912362 YEARS FOR MY SKILL 2 (Her old ult has stronger heal, and reduces her second skill cd every hit which is insanely OP since my items can deal up to 823 and 13% enemy's max hp, and if mixed with enchanted talisman it was just mad op, like you can just 1v5 them no problem and stun them infinitely bruh) IM SO MADDDDDDDD My items were mostly magic build and they heal [ 632 HP ] per hit on one person. ( Talking about late game ), and with Lifedrain, the healing is halved but it doesn't matter because of how fast she can heal, now her healing is weak. - Oracle + old passive = 45% extra heals - Old ult = more heal, supports skill 2 - Skill 2 = greatly benefits with ult as easily spammable with BIG and I mean BIG (kills a hylos with easeeeeeeeeeeee BIG) Any boots Clock of destiny - Oracle (second most important item) - Holy crystal (most important item) - Flask of the Oasis (She benefits with the passive wow) - Literally anything as long as it counters the enemy, like: [ Dominance Ice for atk speed enemies ] , [ Ice Queen Wand for runners ] or if none then just another [ HOLY CRYSTAL ] - You're just gonna say: you need Winter Crown, but NO!!!: She's already tanky enough because of the heal and magic damage from items. And adding Winter Crown just helps the enemy get away and escape :/ - How about the mana problem for Alice?: I never saw Alice's mana as a problem, her ult uses so low mana and plus, you her mana regen is way too fast. Or if your really persist, then just get the enemy's blue buff because they can't defeat your insane healing. - Can she beat Goku?: no - She can't beat my super tryhard chou and saber skills haha: She absolutely can, her ult is active even during Saber's ult and Chou's ult, dealing huge damage and healing at the same time, basically wasting their ults. - Are there problems with the new and old alice? Old Alice: For me, early game alice is not so tanky but she can just run away with first skill, and fun to play and troll. New Alice: The new Alice has low healing, and more defense items reliant now, and with the removal of old ultimate's passive of reducing cooldown, her skill 2 is very weak and not spammable anymore. Alice is now easily killed with lifedrain. Overall for me is a really bad and huge nerf.
This revamp is definitely needed, although more difficult to use, it gives alice the advantage of long-term battles, with faster heal if needed. She basically has two ultimates now.
exactly :(((( and the second skill cd reduction per hit? YEAH bring back old alice bring back old alice bring back old alice bring back old alice bring back old alice bring back old alice
@@littleflower8182But dev will definitely remove the immobilise on skill 2. But personally, i would rather have knock up airborne in ult instead of explode.
I Tink is stupid a untimate is supose to be like the best ting about a hero like Giving those benefits only a unt can do but now her ult is like a simple skill ....i tink IT was better to Make the new ult the pasive and keep the old ult.
Man. I'm pretty sure there are ways to adjust heroes without destroying the balance. Maybe trade the passive with the ultimate. Those adjustments to the basic attack are unnecessary. Seriously, just let her convert some of the damage taken into mana. She'll be fine with that.
While i like the overall changes i think the passive not activating on minions is going to slow her lane clear And with this change the age old combo of alice activating her old ulti before diving is not going to be possible ig
So, since she no longer reduce the cd of her first and second skill, can she have her stun back? The first version of Alice has a stun on her second skill that lasted for 1.8 sec? Was it 1.2 sec?
no it doesn't make her better, it makes her worse, she is good as she is, she doesn't need a revamp, I say the new Alice is too weak:/ and I would prefer the current Alice a 100x
I think they want to revamp Chang'e too, her second skill icon looks like Vexana's second skill byt you can't play her nor try her on tutorial mode because in this patch chang'e was buggy(idk why and how) . This is advance server btw, idk if it's the same for original
Lowkey wished her passive could work on jungle camps, She would have been such a viable pick as a jungler, and probably an annoying one to play against
@@너튜브-h4h well he used to be good. Until pussies started crying, saying he was oppressive in lane so they nerfed him to the ground. No more ATK and MP reduction on Skill 1, no more Slow dispel, Slow immunity and much weaker heal on his ult. Now he'e reduced to nothing but a punching bag with 0 CC.
I've been playing this game for 7 years, and a played her like maybe twice and never liked her. BUT I played her for the first time in years last night, and the current version of her is absolutely busted 😂 mvp....
All they really need to do is tweak her base stats a lil' bit like say lean a bit into a tank base stats. And also maybe allow her passive to activate on minions and normal creeps cus everytime she activates her passive on enemy only I couldn't help but think that her passive is just a weaker version of mordekaiser.
bring back old alice bring back old alice bring back old alice bring back old alice bring back old alice bring back old alice bring back old alice I COULD 1v5 ALL OF THEM WITH OLD ALICE IF I WANTED TO on early game
she can't even be a tank because of her stats being extremely low compared to a tank and she has no cc. she also can't be a mage because all her damage source is short ranged and her scaling are too low to off an enemy. atp ml could've just deleted her entirely
She is balanced right now. Why revamp i like the mechanic right now where her 1st and 2nd skill cd is decreased. Mana problem is not an issue on alice right now.
It's no overpowered, it's what she's been missing. Strong just like the alice before these revamps. I like how she's more lore accurate. What was overpowered was the current alice with the infinite stuns and high damage. This one seems like a chill good time. I don't wanna hear "Her late game damage is too high" uhhh isn't that every hero??? This alice is just perfect, don't look at gameplay on TH-cam and say it's overpowered when clearly the enemies aren't a good team. Face against pros and even this alice would feed.
Puck first skill dota2 hero+ riven 2nd skill lol champion+swain ult explosive damage with Vlad ult lifesteal at the end Lol champion. But too bad no waveclear except the first skill.
*I think this is a nerf cause when you're at low hp you can no longer heal cause you no longer can you ult or passive with out an enemy around and the bad thing is alice jungle is no more cause they changed alice alt to passive so i think this is a nerf*
Alice just taps ultimate 1x with 5 enemies trapped and then fully rehealed with very short CD. Well, moonton i want yu zhongs passive to be a lot easier 5 stacks, slow basic att mov spd, and long cooldown, it is unfair if alice get all this easiness (remember yz's main specialty is regen similar to Alice, one thing that i really think moonton need to concern too is about regen specialty uniqueness as a lot of heroes now just building one regen item can get abundant heal even better than regen heroes (eg. Terizla, arlott,etc who arent regen heroes))
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Hear me out. How about just keeping her ultimate as it is. But bring back the old 1.5-3%HP Based Damage. Turn her Skill2 into this revamped ultimate, with lower damage of course. Because this suits her better this way. And turn her skill1 into an dash/damage skill. She turns into an the blood ord. Untargettable for that short period, like Lancelot ultimate. And when she reaches the end, she comes back and immovalises the enemies. Like her current Skill2. (It's like her Mayhem Skill1)
I honestly can see players will complain about this new revamp. Call her broken. And then it would lead to Moonton having to nerf her to the ground. If the low tier players, who don't even know about Anti-Heal , cry about it. Then she will just get trashed down to being nothing again.
@diemoserebus2o7 I think a better revamp would be to return the hp based damage from her s2 to her official server ultimate but still keeping the 50% magic power bonus scaling of her ultimate regen. Her ultimate too should still provide cd reduction for her s1 and s2, return the 90% magic power scalling of her s2 whilst keeping the 120% scalling for s1. Return the orb collection, returning the additional hp, mana, and 15% hp restoration it gives. I don't mind if they remove the movement speed bonus since s1 can let her blink a far, but to compensate shall her ultimate be removed of the built-in anti heal [all her skills inherit 50% of the spellvamp, at least return the 100% spellvamp ratio of her ultimate]. Not only would this solve her laning issue, but it would also allow her to have better survivability due to higher heal and spellvamp, compensate for the loss of dominance ice mana, and she would be balanced enough to the current meta.
This is more like a nerf cuz: way slower at clearing Waves n creeps in jungle because you can't control the ult activation which makes her strict to exp lane only + worse regen her new ult will require you to build full dmg so u can abuse it's high dmg (maybe glave will be something on alice) so full dmg alice with worse regen + tower diving is a lot harder now son your ult activation (passive) requires an enemy being around this Change is so unnecessary the current Alice is fine just give her more mana growth or reduce ult mana cost at lvl 3 and maybe buff her 2nd skill dmg since they removing mana from items there's no need to change her to become like this because afterwards if they broke her she'll be nerfed to the ground afterwards not to mention that her jungle role is not existed anymore . . .
Puck in Dota 2 1st skill+ riven second skill + swain ult explosive damage with Vladimir's ult life steal too bad no proper wave clear cannot use on minions
The thing with Alice is that whenever she becomes good, they nerf her to the ground. Even if this revamp makes her "better", I already know they will be nerfing her not long after it, like they've done with all of the 5973728 revamps they did to her.
Thats every hero, they buff one to sell a skin and then nerf them to ground, wanwan, harith lunox, Alice multiple times, Freya and so on and on
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And that's why MOBA is the worst genre in video game history balance-wise
Alice
-Short range for basic atk being unable to hit minions
-LOW HEAL AT AROUND 300 WHICH IS BAD AND ALSO REGEN AGAISNT CREEP IS 25%
-Bad damage scaling in early game
-WTF WERE YOU DOING MOONTOON 👁️👄👁️
- jungler role is unplayable
-Exp too because of the f7cked up short range
@@abinashdewraja2911 Harith and Lunox are perfectly balanced right now...usable...but not broken...not bad either. Freya too.
They can make Tank as her main role now. It was previously cancelled because her Basic Attack Range is long.
If this will happen, Thunderbelt stacks about to go wild on alice.
@@Joji-Thunderbelt getting nerfed soon
Alice was the first hero I mastered, she's so different from when I first used her.
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Samedt
I like stackable Alice
Now we got swain, lissandra, mordekaiser, and vladimir all in one hero and im all for it
indeed it is
I hate to be that guy that doesn't know, any context?
Who?
He's talking about LOL heroes
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for me, i think it's much better if they give back her old ultimate from way back 2018 if i'm not mistaken, where it has cooldown and of course mana usage. then, her new ult now becomes her passive that triggers whenever she deals damage (conditionally).
Just keep your opinion to yourself because it is tr%sh
That would be way overpowered if they give her old ult + new ult as passive. Players used to run from her cause she couldn't be killed
I remember using her before her shitty revamp, her ult only lasted 5secs but the heal and damage were massive
they will nerf this passive and give it cooldown
@@rykrisper639 yep. That was when I started to notice her and used her on rank games. I can 1v5 enemies. Simply dive in using 1st skill-ult before teleport, use 1st skill again before the ult ran out and dash out.
As an Alice user, I don't think I want this revamp...
Her new ult looks amazing tho, long range damage then heal.
I mained Alice when i started playing the game, i kinda miss her old passive and skills. She was a late game monster before. The more stack you have the, tanker she gets. She was fun to play before.
Yeah I like stackable mechanics on alice
Now she’s really a “Tank/Mage” type of hero and I’m here for it.
remove the tank since she has almost no cc at this point
@@jrprjas3943 what about Layla, she doesn't have any cc 🤨
@@YRIM0547 her 2nd skill + basic attack/skills:
@@bigpig2709 Alice has CC too, her skill 2 😃
@@jrprjas3943 Then by your logic uranus shouldn't be a tank
they need to adjust the damage of 1st and or second skill to deal higher damage on minions coz minions cant trigger her passive
You CAN'T clear your minion waves with this revamp, this isn't too helpful in laning phase
Maybe that the thing? She now a tank :0
Well the truth is i think i like alice old more than this kind of adjustments on alice because of phisical emblem
And also too easy skills to use
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Alice was fine just before the meta jg update when people were banning her in draft, they buffed the hell out of her then nerfed her soo bad over several updates and made her worse than she was before the jg update. It was really rare to see a jg alice before that update but it was possible to do since I was able to reach global 9 as solo player with like 9.2k mmr
Kazuki might make this video to 18minute long
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of coure, lol
And Hororo Chan to 10 minutes video with confusing subtitles 😂
Elgin is the GOAT
@@rutherford5247 🤣🤣🤣
Stupid Indian
I think her passive should be able to hit jungle creeps so she could be a jungler as well.
That's what I'm saying!
Alice
-Short range for basic atk being unable to hit minions
-LOW HEAL AT AROUND 300 WHICH IS BAD AND ALSO REGEN AGAISNT CREEP IS 25%
-Bad damage scaling in early game
-WTF WERE YOU DOING MOONTOON 👁️👄👁️
- jungler role is unplayable
-Exp too because of the f7cked up short range
-Wave clear is Bad
Guess she meant as tank?
Most of explaner have short range basic attack, wdym 🤨??
@@rubysapphire5928 Wdym?? Do you think alice has a scaling of Yz or Dyrroth in the early game. Even zilong would bully her.
@@rubysapphire5928 Alice before this revamp has a wide range basic attack, and she's a exp laner too so what's your point??
@@geraldleoliou408 I played advanced server, she's a bad pick rn because heroes like terizla, yz, and Soyou would dominate her. she can't even pick up her items
Im not even alice main but this is bullshit ( this her 2nd revamp right?)
Alice need buff not revamp
Cmon moonton dont make all hero warrior level
Alice doesn't need a buff she is very strong right now in the exp lane and i consistently have most damage on her
Seems like another huge nerf, with clock nerf she cant grt enough magic power to have consistant healing. Her healing was reduced by like 30% and her dmg comes from 2nd skill not ult, so its really just another nerf
Alice becomes unpopular->they buff/rework her->she becomes popular->she gets nerfed->she becomes unpopular-> and here we are with another buff/rework.
Never ending cycle by the smartest devs in the world. Maybe she's getting a new skin so it's time get some buffs🤡
Saying first is overrated. Asking how Elgin is doing is better.
Gonna do that later
Why what happened?
Alice main here. I will miss the old alice but this new alice is kinda something. I'm looking forward to this.
I think lower her damage output, increase her lifesteal and defense growth just a bit. And then I think the sustain queen is back boys 👑
i really hope hok makes a new hero that has the same skill set as the old alice so then the old alice mains would switch to hok and ml will bring her old kit back
They should change her basic attack animation cuz its very hilarious that she can only throw blood when they are close to her🤣🤣🤣
I feel like they really should make it AoE like other melee heroes
Nope because her passive is already AoE@@faizalsuhaime6467
Use her claw or wing
How she gonna clear the minion wave now🗿
After i observe this i think Alice can now be more of a tank. Alice could also be really good as a fighter a lot better than now because she now doesn't need to relay on mana equipments and now focus on dmg ones.
Feather of heaven and Golden staff finna be in Alice's build as soon as this drops.
Excited to see how they'd butcher her next update XD. They did it with Argus already, pretty sure they could do it again
I DO NOT CARE, BRING BACK OLD ALICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HER HEAL IS NOW SO BAD AND NOW I HAVE TO WAIT 13612973619236912362 YEARS FOR MY SKILL 2
(Her old ult has stronger heal, and reduces her second skill cd every hit which is insanely OP since my items can deal up to 823 and 13% enemy's max hp, and if mixed with enchanted talisman it was just mad op, like you can just 1v5 them no problem and stun them infinitely bruh)
IM SO MADDDDDDDD
My items were mostly magic build and they heal [ 632 HP ] per hit on one person. ( Talking about late game ),
and with Lifedrain, the healing is halved but it doesn't matter because of how fast she can heal, now her healing is weak.
- Oracle + old passive = 45% extra heals
- Old ult = more heal, supports skill 2
- Skill 2 = greatly benefits with ult as easily spammable with BIG and I mean BIG (kills a hylos with easeeeeeeeeeeee BIG)
Any boots
Clock of destiny
- Oracle (second most important item)
- Holy crystal (most important item)
- Flask of the Oasis (She benefits with the passive wow)
- Literally anything as long as it counters the enemy, like: [ Dominance Ice for atk speed enemies ] , [ Ice Queen Wand for runners ] or if none then just another [ HOLY CRYSTAL ]
- You're just gonna say: you need Winter Crown, but NO!!!:
She's already tanky enough because of the heal and magic damage from items.
And adding Winter Crown just helps the enemy get away and escape :/
- How about the mana problem for Alice?:
I never saw Alice's mana as a problem, her ult uses so low mana and plus, you her mana regen is way too fast.
Or if your really persist, then just get the enemy's blue buff because they can't defeat your insane healing.
- Can she beat Goku?:
no
- She can't beat my super tryhard chou and saber skills haha:
She absolutely can, her ult is active even during Saber's ult and Chou's ult, dealing huge damage and healing at the same time, basically wasting their ults.
- Are there problems with the new and old alice?
Old Alice:
For me, early game alice is not so tanky but she can just run away with first skill, and fun to play and troll.
New Alice:
The new Alice has low healing, and more defense items reliant now, and with the removal of old ultimate's passive of reducing cooldown, her skill 2 is very weak and not spammable anymore.
Alice is now easily killed with lifedrain.
Overall for me is a really bad and huge nerf.
Her ult is what Carmila's needs in her 1 skill.
As an alice main this is sooo sickk im so happy
This revamp is definitely needed,
although more difficult to use, it gives alice the advantage of long-term battles, with faster heal if needed.
She basically has two ultimates now.
I still miss the pure mage Alice. With 5s of ult, you can 1v5 enemies.
exactly :(((( and the second skill cd reduction per hit? YEAH bring back old alice bring back old alice bring back old alice bring back old alice bring back old alice bring back old alice
It's sad she is a roamer now with the intention to use tanky builds.
I play her exp now i probably cant😢
It's going to get buffed, overpowered, then nerfed into oblivion.
She didn't need a revamp😊
It will be better if alice ult can pull the enemy towards her
Yes that would be really good
@@littleflower8182But dev will definitely remove the immobilise on skill 2. But personally, i would rather have knock up airborne in ult instead of explode.
@@yahnadam1971 The explode on her ult is the one that's gonna heal you the most not her passive so you'll be trading burst heal for a team cc
@@bruvh29 i dont remember saying removing her heal on ult. Why cant knock up and heal?
I Tink is stupid a untimate is supose to be like the best ting about a hero like Giving those benefits only a unt can do but now her ult is like a simple skill ....i tink IT was better to Make the new ult the pasive and keep the old ult.
It is better what do you mean. Massive heal and Damage hello???
Is this revamp still on or cancelled?
I so missed how I place Alice before and its like Puck, and I think alice unique signature is similar to Puck in dota.
Now Alice lore = Alice power🗿
Man. I'm pretty sure there are ways to adjust heroes without destroying the balance.
Maybe trade the passive with the ultimate.
Those adjustments to the basic attack are unnecessary.
Seriously, just let her convert some of the damage taken into mana. She'll be fine with that.
bring back old alice bring back old alice bring back old alice bring back old alice bring back old alice
Im alice player and i really dont like it
I prefer to play alice with knew model hero and more graphic skil for her 😭
While i like the overall changes i think the passive not activating on minions is going to slow her lane clear And with this change the age old combo of alice activating her old ulti before diving is not going to be possible ig
So, since she no longer reduce the cd of her first and second skill, can she have her stun back? The first version of Alice has a stun on her second skill that lasted for 1.8 sec? Was it 1.2 sec?
Nice broooooooo😮😮😮😮😮😮😮
no it doesn't make her better, it makes her worse, she is good as she is, she doesn't need a revamp, I say the new Alice is too weak:/ and I would prefer the current Alice a 100x
I like this. Mordekaiser and Vlad in one skill kit seems cool af
I think they want to revamp Chang'e too, her second skill icon looks like Vexana's second skill byt you can't play her nor try her on tutorial mode because in this patch chang'e was buggy(idk why and how) . This is advance server btw, idk if it's the same for original
Lowkey wished her passive could work on jungle camps, She would have been such a viable pick as a jungler, and probably an annoying one to play against
So basicly a female version of uranus.
Uranus ain't OP such as Alice. Uranus is just like a fatty dummy bot serving more dmg/min to enemies. 😂😂
@user-mv1oq1bg2b well yeah. But I'm talking about her survivability. It's similar to uranus.
@@너튜브-h4h well he used to be good. Until pussies started crying, saying he was oppressive in lane so they nerfed him to the ground.
No more ATK and MP reduction on Skill 1, no more Slow dispel, Slow immunity and much weaker heal on his ult. Now he'e reduced to nothing but a punching bag with 0 CC.
They found a way to stop Alice from jungling. We cannot spam the old ultimate anymore. They made it look like a revamp but in my opinion it's a nerf
i gotta hate thaat they remove the mechanic where her 1st and 2nd skill cooldown will be reduced each enemy hit of her ultimate
Alice skill 1 can't burst like before
As a an Ex 5k mmr Alice player , this is a very different playstyle from when i achieve 5k mmr years ago , I don't really think its a buff
Tell moontoon to resale champion Evos skin Harith
Current alice is fine no need for revamp. Maybe a defence buff
I've been playing this game for 7 years, and a played her like maybe twice and never liked her. BUT I played her for the first time in years last night, and the current version of her is absolutely busted 😂 mvp....
All they really need to do is tweak her base stats a lil' bit like say lean a bit into a tank base stats. And also maybe allow her passive to activate on minions and normal creeps cus everytime she activates her passive on enemy only I couldn't help but think that her passive is just a weaker version of mordekaiser.
bring back old alice bring back old alice bring back old alice bring back old alice bring back old alice bring back old alice bring back old alice I COULD 1v5 ALL OF THEM WITH OLD ALICE IF I WANTED TO on early game
When will it released ?
I used it in new server but it still thr same ..
she can't even be a tank because of her stats being extremely low compared to a tank and she has no cc. she also can't be a mage because all her damage source is short ranged and her scaling are too low to off an enemy. atp ml could've just deleted her entirely
She is balanced right now. Why revamp i like the mechanic right now where her 1st and 2nd skill cd is decreased. Mana problem is not an issue on alice right now.
I'm thinking since alice didn't need mana for her ultimate she need to prioritize either ice queen wand for that slow effect or lolipop for sustain
It's no overpowered, it's what she's been missing. Strong just like the alice before these revamps. I like how she's more lore accurate. What was overpowered was the current alice with the infinite stuns and high damage.
This one seems like a chill good time. I don't wanna hear "Her late game damage is too high" uhhh isn't that every hero???
This alice is just perfect, don't look at gameplay on TH-cam and say it's overpowered when clearly the enemies aren't a good team. Face against pros and even this alice would feed.
Still balanced as she can just be countered by high dmg mms or life drain. She looks fun to use now though
Ice queen wand + glowing wand on her is gonna be so nasty
Alice revamp hero canceled on Advance server
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Vladimir and morderkaiser : I need to see my lawyer
As an Alice Main i want to protest against this!
This will probably get nerfed hard
Feels like a nerf like what happened to her cdr on second skill?
The original alice was already good. I kinda miss that one.
Puck first skill dota2 hero+ riven 2nd skill lol champion+swain ult explosive damage with Vlad ult lifesteal at the end Lol champion. But too bad no waveclear except the first skill.
*I think this is a nerf cause when you're at low hp you can no longer heal cause you no longer can you ult or passive with out an enemy around and the bad thing is alice jungle is no more cause they changed alice alt to passive so i think this is a nerf*
@killy6218 they removed the 15% hp restoration, and the base hp regen of her passive compared to her official server ultimate is lower by 10%.
1:19 sorry I laughed so hard 😂😂
Mordekaiser passive with vladimir ultimate, nice
Man an alice main but i kindda like this and dont at the same time
Clearing lanes is gonna be a pain with this revamp.
Alice just taps ultimate 1x with 5 enemies trapped and then fully rehealed with very short CD. Well, moonton i want yu zhongs passive to be a lot easier 5 stacks, slow basic att mov spd, and long cooldown, it is unfair if alice get all this easiness (remember yz's main specialty is regen similar to Alice, one thing that i really think moonton need to concern too is about regen specialty uniqueness as a lot of heroes now just building one regen item can get abundant heal even better than regen heroes (eg. Terizla, arlott,etc who arent regen heroes))
I think they should revert her range back to normal. There is 0 reasoning why it shouldve been shortened
They'll drop it before it even reaches Official like they always do.
She would make a AMAZING pair with carmilla
im just worrying shes will be in a list of most ban heroes. alice on current server is enough good. for me 😢
Hey Elgin i have a bug on Natalia collector skin the task is not resetting idk why
The second skill X Pose 😮😮😮😮
they really dont know what to do with her huh
It is a huge nerf on skill 2. Previously she can burn up to 17% hp base damage and spammable.
bring back old alice bring back old alice bring back old alice bring back old alice bring back old alice bring back old alice bring back old alice bring back old alice bring back old alice bring back old alice bring back old alice bring back old alice
Wow.. thts awesome. I m waiting.. to play..
Hear me out.
How about just keeping her ultimate as it is. But bring back the old 1.5-3%HP Based Damage.
Turn her Skill2 into this revamped ultimate, with lower damage of course. Because this suits her better this way.
And turn her skill1 into an dash/damage skill. She turns into an the blood ord. Untargettable for that short period, like Lancelot ultimate. And when she reaches the end, she comes back and immovalises the enemies. Like her current Skill2. (It's like her Mayhem Skill1)
I honestly can see players will complain about this new revamp. Call her broken. And then it would lead to Moonton having to nerf her to the ground. If the low tier players, who don't even know about Anti-Heal , cry about it. Then she will just get trashed down to being nothing again.
@diemoserebus2o7 I think a better revamp would be to return the hp based damage from her s2 to her official server ultimate but still keeping the 50% magic power bonus scaling of her ultimate regen. Her ultimate too should still provide cd reduction for her s1 and s2, return the 90% magic power scalling of her s2 whilst keeping the 120% scalling for s1. Return the orb collection, returning the additional hp, mana, and 15% hp restoration it gives. I don't mind if they remove the movement speed bonus since s1 can let her blink a far, but to compensate shall her ultimate be removed of the built-in anti heal [all her skills inherit 50% of the spellvamp, at least return the 100% spellvamp ratio of her ultimate].
Not only would this solve her laning issue, but it would also allow her to have better survivability due to higher heal and spellvamp, compensate for the loss of dominance ice mana, and she would be balanced enough to the current meta.
This is more like a nerf cuz: way slower at clearing Waves n creeps in jungle because you can't control the ult activation which makes her strict to exp lane only + worse regen her new ult will require you to build full dmg so u can abuse it's high dmg (maybe glave will be something on alice) so full dmg alice with worse regen + tower diving is a lot harder now son your ult activation (passive) requires an enemy being around this Change is so unnecessary the current Alice is fine just give her more mana growth or reduce ult mana cost at lvl 3 and maybe buff her 2nd skill dmg since they removing mana from items there's no need to change her to become like this because afterwards if they broke her she'll be nerfed to the ground afterwards not to mention that her jungle role is not existed anymore . . .
Dam
Could ice queen wand be a vibe now?
I think devs should add fear to her ult.
this is my favorite change in advanced
I love the sound when he used the ult😂
Sir make a video about mlbb X HxH as soon as it arrives
I hope it will release soon in original server I wanna play Mommy Alice again together with Mommy Esmeralda ❤️🔥💅
Puck in Dota 2 1st skill+ riven second skill + swain ult explosive damage with Vladimir's ult life steal too bad no proper wave clear cannot use on minions
Why don't they just make her new ult as her passive. As an alice main this is so confusing
Alice gonna be super broken with full damage build now 😊
Like Hanzo's revamp, I smell a new skin coming up👁️👄👁️
This with curse helmet?