What is the Skin of Blackness in the Book of Mormon

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  • There has been a lot of talk recently about race in the Book of Mormon. some scholars have recently offered alternative explanations for what some believe are racial statements in the Book of Mormon. Today I'd like to propose another.
    There are apologists who have attempted explain the skin of blackness as non-racist in a variety of ways, and to be clear, everyone needs to come to their own conclusion and find peace in whatever they believe. These apologists have said that perhaps the skin of blackness were tattoos, or skin paint, or even dark clothing rather then their skin actually turning black. But these explanations for some make little sense, especially when later in the Book of Mormon the curse is removed. Does that mean God removed tattoos or allowed them to wear different colored clothing? But that still leaves us with, for some, an uncomfortable situation regarding black skin in the book of Mormon and how it is portrayed, especially when looking through a modern day lens. Could there be another explanation to all this?
    This video explores an alternative to the race allegations against the Book of Mormon casting members of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints as racist.

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  • @dinocollins720
    @dinocollins720 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    As a black member of the church, I know and testify that God loves us all! We are all His children! When we truly understand that, nothing else really matters.
    Great video! Thank you!

    • @fightingfortruth9806
      @fightingfortruth9806 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Mosiah 4 says that only those who follow Christ are his children, others "must be called by some other name".

    • @rchaser4
      @rchaser4 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@fightingfortruth9806🙄 wow

    • @dinocollins720
      @dinocollins720 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@fightingfortruth9806 2 Nephi 26:33 “…he inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile.”

    • @dinocollins720
      @dinocollins720 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@fightingfortruth9806 “I assure you that your standing before God is not determined by the color of your skin. Favor or disfavor with God is dependent upon your devotion to God and his commandments, and not the color of your skin… our Black brothers and sisters the world over are enduring the pains of racism and prejudice… Today, I call upon our members everywhere to lead out in abandoning attitudes and actions of prejudice,” he added. “I plead with you to promote respect for all of God’s children.” -Russell M Nelson

    • @fightingfortruth9806
      @fightingfortruth9806 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @dino. That scripture has nothing to do with what I just said. Of course all are invited to Christ. But ONLY those who do get to be called "Children of God". Re-read Mosiah 5 again and check yourself.

  • @ToaRahkshi
    @ToaRahkshi 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

    I plowed thru the Book of Mormon of *every singe instant* it even remotely mentions the cursing. Having read it in one setting, having the Holy Ghost guiding me, I developed a clear birds eye view of the curse as a whole. Countless times it mentions mercy and forgiveness when bringing up the curse.
    On top of that, there are so many examples of how much the role models of the Book of Mormon treated the cursed Lamanites:
    - Enos prayed fervently for the Lamanites' salvation, then worked to bring them to the fold (at that time, the Lamanites all refused).
    - The sons of Mosiah couldn't bear the thought of their "brothers" (yes, they still saw the Lamanites as their "brothers") suffering the pains of hell, to the point it would shake them up just thinking about it. They then converted thousands of Lamanites to the fold of Christ (wow, so racist, right?)
    - Even when the Nephites were discriminating against the Lamanites for their skin, they were *chastised by God for doing so* - "a commandment I give unto you, which is the word of God, that ye revile no more against them because of the darkness of their skins." (Jacob 3: 9)."
    With all of these examples, and more, it is beyond ridiculous to believe the Book of Mormon of being racist. If it is, it is terrible at it.

    • @coreynasfell1095
      @coreynasfell1095 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not only that, but the book illustrates the **ENTIRE**
      **DESTRUCTION **
      of the **WHITE** and delightsome “-ites”. Therefore, anyone claiming racism is simply intellectually dishonest and/or lazy.

  • @Cloudopatra
    @Cloudopatra 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    Spiritual darkness . Lack of “glow.”

    • @brewskiproductionslasvegas
      @brewskiproductionslasvegas 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I think you're on the right track. There's an aura about people. Evil people have a way of carrying themselves as do righteous people. I work in a prison, and most of the inmates have a completely different demeanor to them than good people. I can spot them a mile away.

    • @fightingfortruth9806
      @fightingfortruth9806 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      So, there is no problem about an evil "glow" curse about a person, but somehow a color of skin is out of bounds. What is the difference, ultimately? Dark glow vs dark skin. What is so offensive to you to believe that skin color can be a marking of a curse, but a "glow" isn't a problem?
      I really don't get it. You guys are truly bizarre in your thinking.

    • @warriorhealth2172
      @warriorhealth2172 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      False. It's dark skin, so the seed wouldn't mix. It's all there in the text.

    • @mruss31415
      @mruss31415 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah this is not right. Read Alma 3. It falls apart when considering all the scriptures talking about skin color in the BOM.

    • @sirspencerarnold8838
      @sirspencerarnold8838 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I think yall are taking the scriptures too literally. The problem with equating evil and wickedness with literal black skin, is that it drives away a large population of the world and alienates them, and it can cause people to fall away from the faith. I agree with the commenter that I can sometimes see a glow around people who are particularly christ-like, that is hard to describe. I also see the glow dim in people in my life who have left their faith. I can't say that I judge anybody for their choices, it's their faith. But I can see the difference in maybe not a literal glow, but a symbolic one.

  • @trevorbranch3319
    @trevorbranch3319 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Thanks. I've heard apologists twist things here and there to try and make things seem not as bad, but I like your view that the marking itself isn't the important thing, just that the wicked were distinguished.

  • @andrewreed4216
    @andrewreed4216 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Black or white, bond or free sayings in scriptures, clearely states these physical and social traits are not how God judges us. Its whether we keep covenants or not.

  • @StompMom5
    @StompMom5 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Job for example called his skin back from boils and burns.
    In leviticus black skin was because of famine and heat. In some cultures back then sinners were marked with burns. It's all about language

    • @Kyle_Butterfield81
      @Kyle_Butterfield81 หลายเดือนก่อน

      yeah I have read that "blackness had more to due with people's countenance than anything. kinda interesting how language changes and shifts

    • @anthonyrippa686
      @anthonyrippa686 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, and so black still meant black. Jobs went black. It's still about color

  • @craigharvey430
    @craigharvey430 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I’m just repeating pretty much the same as other comments here so even though God could have actually changed their skin to ‘black’ (and probably did to at least the older brothers), the most reasonable and plausible explanation is that since the Lamanites no longer chose the follow the Law of Moses, they intermingled and intermarried the locals. They may have had to resort to that simply out of self preservation because we have no idea how many of Laman’s and Lemuel’s children and grandchildren went off with Nephi.
    Mixing with the locals and becoming part of that population also explains a BOM plot hole, as it were, of how the Lamanites could have had such a larger population than the Nephites and the Mulekites combined. I think that the simplest answer is often the right answer.
    If that is the case and the Lamanites integrated themselves into native population, it still doesn’t invalidate anything Nephi wrote about them. They became apostates and as such lost the light of the Holy Ghost, becoming dark spiritually, and by marrying non-Israelites they would have genetically acquired the dominant traits of the locals and dark skin is often a genetically dominant trait.

    • @plummer50000
      @plummer50000 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      This is the truth. It's the most logical explanation. I also posted this too. Let's not fall into the thinking error of presentism.

    • @carlosisra
      @carlosisra หลายเดือนก่อน

      what locals? there weren't locals

  • @sterlingnerdling
    @sterlingnerdling 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Here's my take: Heavenly Father has made it very clear that He does not care about our appearance. Therefore, it is silly to think that their skin color had anything to do with their acceptability before Him. However, God *has* made it clear that He wants His people to be separate from the wicked: *in* the world, but not *of* the world. Thus, it makes perfect sense to me that Heavenly Father would use a perfectly harmless designator (skin color) as a clear way to decrease the likelihood of His saints mingling (creating families & children) with unbelievers. And, to be clear, I'm not suggesting that God doesn't want us to have associations with people of other faiths; He's said quite the opposite, in fact. But He *has* made it clear that He wants us to get sealed in His temples and raise children in the gospel, and in order for that to happen, His saints can't be settling down with nonbelievers.
    Thus, it makes perfect sense (to me), and is a sign of His wisdom and love of all His children.
    And, as other people said, God does not care about being "politically correct." It's our job to have faith in Him and build enough of a relationship with Him that can come to trust His methods.

  • @anthonymccleve1288
    @anthonymccleve1288 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is the best explanation and line of reasoning I've heard! The "curse" is simply being made different from the rest of the group

  • @greentree_
    @greentree_ 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    God can change our color, languages, land appearance, and whatever else He wants for His purposes. Has done that throughout scripture.

    • @jasonsworld333
      @jasonsworld333 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😂😂😂

    • @rchaser4
      @rchaser4 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jasonsworld333something incorrect about that post?

    • @MommaCrissa
      @MommaCrissa 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Absolutely. Even Jesus's apostles didn't recognize Jesus after his resurrection. He also disappeared right before there eyes.

  • @bryanhaycock672
    @bryanhaycock672 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    A proper understanding requires some familiarity with the Old Testament understanding of curses. Curses relate to covenant status and having the presence of God. The Lamanites apostatized and emancipated themselves from the Israelite group and culturally enjoyed themselves with the native people of the land, who were not Israelite and had a darker skin. The children that resulted from that union had darker skin.
    In short, the curse was a loss of covenant status with the Lord, the sign that this had happened was a dark complexion of their children that resulted from their union with a gentile people who were already there.

  • @magaelectrician657
    @magaelectrician657 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    It’s skin color. Stop coping. It’s only today we want some kind of global harmony without borders and nations. It’s ludicrous. Stop with all the mental gymnastics. We all have friends that are of a different race or culture etc. Doesn’t mean we should do away with borders and nations.

  • @UVJ_Scott
    @UVJ_Scott 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    There are no “black” skinned native Americans. And the Nephites couldn’t recognize Lamanites when they were fighting on the side of the Nephites. They had to ask to find out who might be a “Lamanite”.

  • @frenchfriedfish1990
    @frenchfriedfish1990 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    In the old and tesetiment the Jews were very strict on not interbreeding with gentiles, my theory is that after falling away the laminates interbread with other civilizations, nephi who was a jew may have seen this as a curse similarly to how Jews saw Samaritans, as losing their status as 'God's chosen people.'

  • @mruss31415
    @mruss31415 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks. I'm blown away at all the alternative explanations people have taken on an issue that seems to be incredibly clear in the BOM. In several instances Mormon says, in as plain as language can be, it was a visible dark skin and was passed by seed.

  • @papasteph3226
    @papasteph3226 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Great video on a tough topic. I think it is as simple as the Lamanites married out of the covenant with the native tribes already in the Americas. The dark skin and foreign lifestyle became theirs. I think there was for sure a racism in the Nephite culture as part of their pride cycle and it is evident in the authors of the books making mention of skin color and markings, classes etc. That does not make the Book of Mormon a racist book nor the Church racist. God is not racist, but his children always develop emnity to each other from the greatest racist of them all, Satan. He hates the human race and constantly stirs up contrition and racism. The Book of Mormon shows how to overcome it.

    • @toddsyoutube2679
      @toddsyoutube2679 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Bingo. This is exactly true!

    • @rchaser4
      @rchaser4 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@toddsyoutube2679you have “exactly” no proof this theory is true.

    • @papasteph3226
      @papasteph3226 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@rchaser4 Hence the "I think". We don't know what the mark really was more than the Nephite authors' description of skins. But the truths on racism and emnity are "exactly" true. Human history, Biblical and Book of Mormon, and all other historical records show it. The reason "I think" the skin mark change is from marriage out of covenant and heritage/race follows the Biblical pattern with the Isrealites all the way back to Shem, Ham, and Japeth. The Samaritans were so hated as a different "race" even though they literally were from the same tribes, but their intermarriages with the conquering nations lead to a physical difference, and sadly, racism.

  • @РадживИбрагимов-ш9п
    @РадживИбрагимов-ш9п 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'm from Siberia, Russia. One day in late July, after helping an elderly member in her garden, located in a remote village we were returning home. Siberian summers are usually very hot with plenty of sunlight. As we walked home, we spotted a little boy around 4-5 years old, clearly Russian. He didn't wear any clothing except panties. We were shocked how dark this kid was. It seemed he had spent the entire summer outside playing with in his grandparent's garden. We started to joke about the story of the Lamanite curse, and that our testimonies had strengthened thank to this boy. I knew you get darker as you spend time under outside, but this kid was another level of roasting

  • @michellehudson8436
    @michellehudson8436 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Mosiah 9 and 10 talk about the people of King Zeniff and King Laman. Those of King Zeniff live in houses, they plow fields, tend to flocks and spin clothing. Those of King Laman are “wild and ferocious” only wearing a girdle of skins. They are lazy and steal and plunder. They are in the sun more, living hand to mouth instead of living in buildings wearing clothing. That would automatically make the Lamanites skin darker.

  • @payaj2815
    @payaj2815 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Heavenly father can do whatever he wants. He does not obey man’s law or man’s political correctness, he is above that.

  • @nicksgang22368
    @nicksgang22368 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    To me it’s all about the spiritual light we shine ,it’s nothing to do our physical skin colour . I greatly appreciate your video they are always thought provoking and informative .

    • @mmcbride1
      @mmcbride1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Amen

    • @rchaser4
      @rchaser4 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      So, to you it’s not about physical skin but the book says it’s quite literally a skin of blackness.
      Do I understand you correctly?

    • @fightingfortruth9806
      @fightingfortruth9806 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The only problem with your theory is that the Book of Mormon says it was skin, not "light" or "shine".

    • @rchaser4
      @rchaser4 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@fightingfortruth9806 it doesn’t matter what the words say. Words don’t matter. It’s how you “feeeel”.

  • @TLMcRae-uu1cz
    @TLMcRae-uu1cz หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent explanation. I've always believed that the curse was not about race, but about consequences for disobedience. Like you said, they were all from the same race of people, and there are always consequences for actions. The modern day vernacular and philosophies of men want to create contention about this issue. Racism is not the answer.

  • @tristaraab655
    @tristaraab655 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Woo hoo, plugging in my comment 10 seconds after it was posted. Can’t wait to listen your videos are awesome.

  • @samtate2011
    @samtate2011 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I dont think it ever was or ever will be about physical appearance or race. Maybe clothing, or lack of. Maybe a ritual mark or just darkness in their countenance!

    • @rchaser4
      @rchaser4 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@samtate2011 so you don’t believe the text?
      One of the problems with the post apostolic church beginning when Greek and Roman influence (paganism) crept into the “church” is that people stoped believing in literalness, most prominently…The Godhead. Can you predict problems that may arise from the discontinuation of literally believing that which is literal? Are some things metaphorical or fantastical in the scriptures? Obviously. Dragons are an example. But when the scriptures say “the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them”, your immediate reaction is, “that’s symbolic!”?
      I’m recalled to the verse about scripture and private interpretation…🙄

    • @fightingfortruth9806
      @fightingfortruth9806 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The Book of Mormon doesn't say it was clothes. It uses the word "skin".

    • @samtate2011
      @samtate2011 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@fightingfortruth9806 and you don't see it?

  • @jeff3olsen
    @jeff3olsen 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    My thoughts on this are along the lines of:
    - "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." - Isaiah 55:8-9
    - We ought to be careful not to water down or distort God's word to be politically correct.
    - This life is a test, and overcoming racial and any other prejudices may be an important part of each of our tests.
    - The Lord knows the beginning from the end, and His ways are just, even though we may not completely understand.
    - Also, why should we care about how much melanin anyone's skin has in it? The level of melanin, or the lack thereof does not affect our skills, talents, knowledge, values, character, etc.

    • @rchaser4
      @rchaser4 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Excellent comment

  • @Andriel324
    @Andriel324 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yay!! The last few words Man that was His Gold.... Bravo! Ruach Salem brother until we meet. Here or there 😊

  • @calliknudsen
    @calliknudsen 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Your volume is perfect this time!!!

  • @Kyle_Butterfield81
    @Kyle_Butterfield81 หลายเดือนก่อน

    from my studies of the common themes in all the scriptures, curses were actually the lack of guidance from God because of their choices, be that as a nation or as an individual. "curses" are "removed" as people and nations turn to God, and have the guidance, protection, teaching and comfort from God through the Holy Ghost. whether the SIGN of the curse was a physical change that God made on them, or that they made on themselves, it seems to me that the "curse" is pretty universal and straight forward.

  • @jacobjensen8592
    @jacobjensen8592 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Another lesson the Book of Mormon is teaching us is that to God there is no "race". Race is man made. We are all His Children. I have kids with red hair, different shades of blonde, different skin tones (fair with freckles or tanning olive tone) and different eye colors. I love all of them not because they are the same but partly because they are unique. We can all be righteous and follow Jesus Christ and because of our differences we can do so uniquely. We'll show the world that being obedient and righteous is beautiful and can be done in so many different ways

  • @hellomrsjacobsen
    @hellomrsjacobsen หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is what I've thought as well, it was about using our natural tribalism (our natural tendency to separate ourselves based on similarities/differences) to keep the peoples from mixing. A melting pot society is a super new idea and for all of history we have segregated ourselves into different groups based on how we look/live/speak/etc. God doesn't do this, we do. The more we become like God the less we'll do it.

  • @stevenupham839
    @stevenupham839 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love the video, thank you

  • @ThomasMecham-x5c
    @ThomasMecham-x5c วันที่ผ่านมา

    Very well done! Thank you!

  • @clarestucki5151
    @clarestucki5151 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Somebody should discuss why it is that when a specific sinner is cursed for some heinous sin, perhaps such as fratricide, that the curse is passed on to that persons descendants. My understanding is that that is not the way genetics works.

  • @anthonyrippa5509
    @anthonyrippa5509 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In the Book of Moses (not Mormon, Moses) in chapter 7 it says that Cain was marked with a "skin of blackness" and that "the seed of Cain had no place among them" (the seed of Seth) because they were "black." The church version of the scriptures cross-references theses verses in Moses 7: 8, 22 to similar passages regarding the Lamanites in 2 Nephi 5 and other verses in the Book of Mormon. The Book of Abraham also says that Ham married a woman who descended from Cain, and that their children (including a man named Canaan) inherited that "curse" and therefore could not exercise the rights of priesthood. The recent church videos tracking the Come Follow Me Book of Mormon readings - as recently as last Sunday August 25, 2024 - have all Mesoamerican and Pacific Islander actors portraying the Lamanites in Helaman's army, but white actors portraying the Nephites who volunteered to fight with them. It seems dishonest of this channel and the likes of Book of Mormon and Scripture Central to push this new post-2020 woke agenda when the Church - and more significantly its scriptures - have clearly taught the complete opposite for 200 years.

  • @UltraDoug
    @UltraDoug 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you! I’ve been listening to super reliable and wonderful church scholars who, on this subject alone, completely divert from my own opinions and beliefs. As I listened to them, I had the same exact thoughts that you put forward in this video. Further, aren’t we all cursed or in a sense marked due to the results of the fall of Adam? Not wicked per se, but subject to the effects of the fall until we are resurrected and redeemed. Anyway, just a thought. Thanks again for this fair handed outlook on a subject that is typically complicated & misunderstood.

    • @toddsyoutube2679
      @toddsyoutube2679 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not skin color. Skin color has nothing to do with the fall.

    • @UltraDoug
      @UltraDoug 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@toddsyoutube2679 no of course, not at all. I was merely making a connection between the effects of the fall, such as they are and the subject of this video. The fall has nothing to to with skin color as you said. ☺️

  • @thawts9087
    @thawts9087 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    2 Nephi 5:20 leads me to believe the cursing was being cut off from the presence of the Lord.
    I do think the Lamanite skin did change and it was a means to distinguish them, but that it happened naturally as they intermingled with other peoples in the promise land.
    The nephites, like Israel, would have been jingoistic and not mixed with other peoples. This was in part to keep their traditions pure and unadulterated by the influences of other traditions.

  • @magaelectrician657
    @magaelectrician657 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This comment section is one giant cope. It’s about skin color. Easy. No mental gymnastics necessary

  • @fightingfortruth9806
    @fightingfortruth9806 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    So is it only skin color that is symbolic in the Book of Mormon, or all colors? The Amlicites had a red mark on their foreheads, was that just a symbol too? What about the 3 days of darkness when Christ is crucified, was that just symbolic darkness.
    When do you get to pick and choose when color is literal, when it is politically correct?

  • @AlmaWestOfficialTV
    @AlmaWestOfficialTV 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think that "the skin of blackness" was due to a lack of understanding of how genes carry over. I'm a believer that the Nephites and Lamanites weren't the only inhabitants of the Americas during that period. I think the "skin of blackness" was the intermingling of the Lamanites and these other inhabitants that were already in the Americas. Which could've contributed to both the changing of the color of their skin over time, and their divergence from their Jewish cultural roots which could've led them to adapt to wicked lifestyles. The skin of blackness was interpreted by the Nephites as a curse. They weren't racist, they just didn't know any better at that time. Just a thought.

  • @Andriel324
    @Andriel324 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Superior inferior when it comes to darkness and light shade with the temperature will always be just nice 🙂👍

  • @Doadab13
    @Doadab13 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It’s funny, they say fair skinned. Well they came from the Middle East so fair skinned is different than we think anyway. It’s not white.

    • @rchaser4
      @rchaser4 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Like everyone in the Middle East has the same skin tone or color? Hilarious extrapolation about peoples who lived 2600 years ago…

    • @Doadab13
      @Doadab13 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@rchaser4 my point is none of them were white like the romans or English. Their skin tone is like what you see in South America. Not England or Ireland,the Vikings, and so forth. Some are lighter skinned but none are white. Not that it matters now Jesus came and made us all equal.

    • @fightingfortruth9806
      @fightingfortruth9806 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Nephi says that the American colonists were fair and white just like his own people were...so, no, it wasn't a different shade of white. They looked just like white Europeans.
      You have to realize that the Middle East didn't become dark until the Islamic invasions occurred after the 7th century AD. The people in the Middle East have much darker skin than they used to during the time of Jesus and earlier

    • @rchaser4
      @rchaser4 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Doadab13 I wish you knew how ridiculous you sound. “Their skin tone is like what you see in South America”. Pretty uniform skin tone across South America? Preposterous! Have you seen an average Argentine? Very, very white/light skin.
      This all goes back to my point: Stick to what the text says and stop trying to find reasons for why the text doesn’t actually mean what it says. Skin color doesn’t matter! It’s not a bellwether for behavior.

    • @Doadab13
      @Doadab13 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@fightingfortruth9806 so all of the America’s, Africa, the Middle East,most of Europe and all the Asian countries are cursed people. Because they are not white. Or we’re before Christ changed all that.

  • @mikemoylan4861
    @mikemoylan4861 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It’s worth saying that the colours used to define race black, white, yellow and red began in Sweden in 1681. It seems unlikely to me that the scriptures which were written centuries and millennia before, could have such references . My belief is that skin of blackness is a scriptural nickname for those who are sinful or not keeping gospel covenants and white are those who follow the Saviour closely.“ 2 Nephi 26 33 For none of these iniquities come of the Lord; for he doeth that which is good among the children of men; and he doeth nothing save it be plain unto the children of men; and he inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile.

    • @mikemoylan4861
      @mikemoylan4861 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Just checked on my post. In the 1730s, Carl Linnaeus in his introduction of systematic taxonomy recognized four main human subspecies.

  • @CV-tc7in
    @CV-tc7in 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It’s more about the curse than the physical differentiation from other groups. The curse was being cut off from God and subject to Satan.

  • @plummer50000
    @plummer50000 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's obvious that Lamen and Lemuel went native and the way it was described when their kids look different was presented through the lens of 600 BC Jews who didn't know about recessive genes.

  • @Andriel324
    @Andriel324 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    No remember this is the Angels we are talking about. It effected or infected us all.

  • @Masatao1
    @Masatao1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I don't see why people are upset about what God does or did. He is God, and he can do whatever he wants. After all, he is God and did make us.

  • @peggybighawksfan2337
    @peggybighawksfan2337 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can you make a video discussing Freemasons influence in the church. Whether it's real or not.

  • @andreafaldon5026
    @andreafaldon5026 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I always thought white skin was a glow for those who are saved. Black skin is a black glow or darkness for those who aren't saved. I always thought that would be how we will be able to tell the difference when Jesus comes back and the 1000 years.

    • @fightingfortruth9806
      @fightingfortruth9806 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Except the Book of Mormon doesn't say, "glow", it says dark or black "skin".
      Why is it so scary to use the words from the scriptures?

    • @warriorhealth2172
      @warriorhealth2172 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No? Lol

  • @like2hunt
    @like2hunt 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Agree entirely

  • @dougzimmer9323
    @dougzimmer9323 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Look at Lamentations, chs 4 & 5

  • @earlleeruhf3130
    @earlleeruhf3130 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The skin of blackness probubly didn't happen over night. It would have been a gradual change. Also while the Nephite's would not find the darker people attractive the Lamanite men Loved their wives and children very much. That is why they out numbered the Nephite so much.

  • @dougstaker2934
    @dougstaker2934 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The skin of blackness is Satan's garment.
    "What is that robe you have on?"
    White and delightsome means a covenant making and covenant keeping people that wear the white temple garment.
    Adam and Eve recieved skins from Christ after making covenants.
    Nakedness, as in Adam and Eve, means no loyalty to either Christ or Satan yet, being that they are in a state of innocence.
    Cursed means loyal to Satan and separated from God.
    When the Amlicites marked their forehead red , they declared their loyalty for Satan and their open rebellion against Christ. They understood the gospel then fought against it.

  • @corymolnar218
    @corymolnar218 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    There is the original divine mercy picture of our lord

  • @EMonzon
    @EMonzon 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Anglo americans have an issue with race. Hispano americans haven't

  • @mariarogers9964
    @mariarogers9964 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Okay brother dude, you need to feed us more better (Texas speak)

  • @Kolby13
    @Kolby13 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    To understand the idea of why skin is being referred to as part of the cursing, it would be useful to refer to the first use of the concept of skin in the Old Testament when Adam and Eve are given coats of skins to cover their nakedness or shame before God. These skins would have been washed in the blood of the Lamb and made white...do you see now how color in connection to the covering we have been given by God is being used to denote your standing with God. It not that their skin was black but that they had made the covering God had given them to enter back into His presence black because of the multitude of sins they were guilty of. This curse is removed when their garments, skins of covering, are washed in the blood of the Lamb and made white. This curse is provided that they may not partake of the fruit of the tree of life and remain forever in their sins as pointed to in the Garden of Eden when these coverings were provided. We have to read the texts as the those who wrote it understood things, not through our currently corrupted culture. Hence why we see contradictory statements in relation to this topic in the BOM. Thank you for all you do good Brother in doing what you can to clarify the truth!

    • @rchaser4
      @rchaser4 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Kolby13 😵‍💫

    • @theotherguy4478
      @theotherguy4478 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I disagree. It is referencing the actual pigmentation of the skin, not clothing.
      If your definition is correct, then explain Cain and his seed. He and his descendants were all cursed and received a skin of blackness. Yes, they were and are literally black. It has nothing to do with clothing. There is the curse, and then there is the mark of the curse.
      The Lamanites were cursed and received a skin of blackness, which is referring to their pigmentation. As the BoM has noted, the curse and the mark of the curse can be lifted.

  • @swordoflaban6594
    @swordoflaban6594 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Maybe they were coal miners.

  • @warriorhealth2172
    @warriorhealth2172 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    God isn't concerned with "feelings" he's concerned with Truth and his commandments. Have you read the book of mormon? Color of skin, and "evil" is variable. At several points in the book of mormon the Lamanites (darker skin) became gods chosen people! They were far more righteous than the (lighter skinned) Nephites...so it doesn't matter. God's ways are not our ways. The Jewish people for example (white skin) were cursed according to scripture...and they were cast out and go through, horrible, painful hardships...
    God loves all of his children. Sometimes we get a long hard lesson though, in order to bring us back into humility, and return to him. Also, it's not black or white skin. It's about righteousness.

  • @devtinagub
    @devtinagub 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Well I think you really tried and if you said it then great: the fact is we don't really know for sure what it meant at the time it was written but the prophet today has warned all of us to be very careful how we treat each other and be accepting and peaceful disciples. This is the message of the scriptures and the Lord's servants. We all have something we're needing the help of our Savior and only He can do it no matter what it is.

  • @TIKALVIDEO1
    @TIKALVIDEO1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    There is no reason to interpret the narrative of the BoM that to be saved ...we have to be white. 2 Nephi 26:32

    • @rchaser4
      @rchaser4 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There is no reason to respond to people who believe skin needs to be white to go to heaven with any kind of reasoning. People who believe without reason can’t be convinced by reason. This whole topic is infantile and maddening. Small-minded people are preoccupied with skin color.

    • @fightingfortruth9806
      @fightingfortruth9806 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Exactly right. There will be no dark skin in heaven. There is no darkness at all in heaven or with God. Physically or spiritually.

  • @talea9593
    @talea9593 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It's exactly what it says, black skin. But it doesn't really matter because eventually they all mix together and the Book of Mormon is dedicated to Lamenites.

  • @fightingfortruth9806
    @fightingfortruth9806 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Joseph Smith said very clearly in his April, 1836 letter to Oliver Cowdery, that black skin was a curse from God. He was right and I will follow the prophet.

    • @toddsyoutube2679
      @toddsyoutube2679 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It was simply a incorrect interpretation of scripture. Even Prophets make mistakes..

    • @rchaser4
      @rchaser4 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@toddsyoutube2679 🤡

    • @rchaser4
      @rchaser4 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@toddsyoutube2679we don’t need exmos chiming in.

    • @fightingfortruth9806
      @fightingfortruth9806 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Joseph Smith was 100% correct. James Watson, who discovered the structure of DNA, stated that racial differences are in our genes. FBI crime statistics show it, welfare and poverty and fatherlessness show it as well.
      Joseph was truly inspired in what he said in that letter, too bad most LDS have too much shame from the world to partake of this fruit.

    • @fightingfortruth9806
      @fightingfortruth9806 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Joseph was 100% correct. Proven today by genetic science and crime stats.

  • @josephmerrick9803
    @josephmerrick9803 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hilarious that you turned off comments on your slandering videos of Michael B Rush. Just delete them already. Lol!

  • @craiglaw7578
    @craiglaw7578 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In the 19th and 20th centuries this statement was generally taken literally! We weren’t very sophisticated in the [old days] 20th century…

  • @fightingfortruth9806
    @fightingfortruth9806 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Joseph Smith was right and all you cowards afraid to see the truth will one day regret it.
    "How any community can ever be excited with the chatter of such persons,- boys and others who are too indolent to obtain their living by honest industry, and are incapable of pursuing any occupation of a proffessional nature, is unaccountable to me. And when I see persons in the free states signing documents against slavery, it is no less, in my mind, than an army of influence, and a declaration of hostilities against the people of the South! What can divide our Union sooner. God only knows."

  • @johnwolfram2689
    @johnwolfram2689 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sorry. I can read English. The Book of Mormon states what Joseph Smith wrote. Your explanation is not what is written. You don't believe all the Bible, nor do you even believe your own book.

  • @GeorgeDemetz
    @GeorgeDemetz 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Lets stop trying to worship the idol god of political correctness and tell the darn truth! Abraham chapter one talks about that RACE that was denied the priesthood! Moses 7:8 speaks of the curse of blackness upon the sons of Canaan! Moses 7:22 speaks of the black curse on the seed of Cain, so stop all the stupid BS here and follow what the prophets have taught snd what the scriptures actually teach without trying to twist the meaning!!!

  • @GeorgeDemetz
    @GeorgeDemetz หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hello! Moses 7:22 states that Cain's seed were black! And, Moses 7:8 also states that the descendants of Canaan becoming black! The first chapter of Abraham speaks of that "race" that was banned from the priesthood (Canaan's descendants which were black!) So, stop your feeble attempts to cherry pick scriptures and wrest them in your attempt to worship the gid if political correctness because you don't know enough to even understand these basic simple scriptures, much less the prophets, so stop trying to dispute them as well as the scriptures! What they and the scriptures have taught agree and are true, and your's is BS!!!