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There’s A NEW Warhammer MMO In Development!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ส.ค. 2024
- There’s a new AAA Warhammer MMO currently in development at Jackalyptic Games. Here’s what we know! Thank you to WB Games for sponsoring this video #MagicAwakenedPartner You are invited to attend the Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry! Download Now for iOS & Android: hpma.sng.link/...
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Bleh not available in my region. Who even regions locks mobile games...
you should cover Palia, it's about to go into Open Beta
An MMO that releases as a HARCORE (one life) experience will solve the burn out and burn-through. You'll need friends and you'll need the community. And PvP will make the Headlines. ANNND whoever gets to the end of the season first gets an HJ.
Hat and Jacket😉
He was working on a Marvel MMO
Champions Online was also a tab target game he was part of.....Best character creator in gaming......
I loved Warhammer Age of Reckoning! It was very underrated and had a strong focus on RvR (which is essentially large scale PvP). It did the PvP extremely well but suffered from content drought, I think this is why the player base died off :(
Yea it was fun for a little while. Content drought caused a bunch of people to leave then servers struggled with balance and the devs fought with that until it died.
I normallt stay away from 40k titles theyre just not fun and a waste of money besides the board game
had crazy amounts of fun playing it with my dad when i was 8-10
@@Y0oUrMama 40k was always fun for me, until they introduced the most boring faction, the tyranids.
Warhammer Age of Reckoning is back with a private server Warhammer Return of Reckoning and its amazing. The team thats keeping it up is releasing new content and there is a good player base
People forget how much Age of Reckoning impacted MMO design as a whole despite being... well, kinda subpar within the space at the time. They made so many good UI and design decisions that other AAA titles adopted and made standards of the industry. It was not a perfect game, but it was full of soul and it was fun. And honestly? That's what I want for a future Warhammer MMO. I'll support it if it's worth supporting. I never cared about numbers since my favourite MMOs in retrospect have been niche games like WAR, LOTRO, Age of Conan. I just hope they don't try and overshoot it and stay in their lane.
Guild Wars 2 is literally built upon the foundation Warhammer Online created. Their dynamic event system was just a dressed up public quest system taken to the next step.
I loved Warhammer Online. My best world pvp memories are from that game but I could understand if they go with the 40k universe considering there are so many fantasy mmos out there that they would want to create more of a contrast between themselves and everyone else.
Sneaking over as witch elf into imperial territory, and charging alongside the Orcs into the Noobs? Priceless.
I was one of the first Orc Choppas to get max level .. and paired up with a witch elf, it was so broken. As soon as they saw me or my friend witch elf, allllll the Blaze Wizards focus fired us lol ....
Good times =)
Still the best fantasy pvp game imho. And I have played them all.
Warhammer Online is still one of my all time favorite Warhammer games to date. Also top MMO for me. We need a 40k MMO but done properly.
The thing for me is, 40K isn't funny, whereas the fantasy warhammer is. I LMAO playing Warhammer online and Return of Reckoning, but warhammer 40k is so serious
@@zigzagkillah7666 Return of Reckoning is up !
I really miss Warhammer Online, you can technically play it on a fan emulated server, but honestly the game is really dated now. I love the Warhammer IP and am excited about how many games there are being made, even if a lot of them are not that good.
Return of Reckoning is trash😂😂 super dated. If your on Nostalgia Heroin it must be amazing
Its dated but its still ironically better than most modern mmos. Haha
i just reinstalled it and yes its an old game , but im having a blast (i played on release of warhammer o. too)
If it's Fantasy, I think they should take more inspiration from the very first Warhammer MMO by Climax - the tone they were going for fit the setting so well. It was brooding and almost horror esque, which was far far superior to the tone of Mythic's MMO, despite the good things about that game.
Id love to see em do a Lost Ark style MMO (but without all the garbage KR p2w systems) If its 40k, a grimdark Destiny 2 would be baller.
I agree. That said Mythics Warhammer Online art was still very nice and faithful. But damn i wish a Warhammer fantasy game would go with the tone of that Warhammer MMO by climax
@@MrLutharr ohh a grimdark 40k destiny 2 kind of a game oh man Im all in for it!!!
I mean, Fantasy isn't 40k. People exaggerate how dark the Fantasy setting is. Its a setting with American football as a sport lol.
For all of us former Retail City of Heroes players Jack Emmeret(Statesman) is an extremely contentious dev who made very many questionable decisions for COH during the time he was game director. Only after his leaving as lead did the game start to improve under the lead of Mark (Positron) His presences as dev for a warhammer game makes me VERY VERY VERY worried for the future of that game.
Agreed.
Can you be specific about what questionable changes he made? Enhancement Diversification, AOE cap, aggro cap, the purple patch, and the Global Defense nerfs were not fun but they paved the way for the golden age of that game by making room for end game content and the incarnate system. And finally defenders and controllers were useful again instead of some fire tank just taking on missions made for a full party grabbing an entire mission full of mobs and stacking them in a dumpster to AOE them all down at once. It made running teams amazing because literally everyone was useful again. No longer was I look for specific AT and often specific power set combos to fill teams. Now it didn't matter what class or power set you were, you were useful on a team. Except Masterminds vs really high level content. But masterminds were so super good/broken at normal and mid to high level content it kinda balanced out.
If you didn't like all those changes though, go play the private City of Heroes Homecoming server. It's almost back to pre-ED days again. Melee (and blasters were heading in that direction) are ridiculously powerful again and only needs support classes for the absolute toughest content and everyone has been power creeped to heck.
I ran teams on homecoming for awhile but eventually the power creep just got too much and it started to be hard to put together teams where 1-2 people were not hogging the entire mission to themselves and everyone else being just kind of there. Killing all the mobs, taking no damage, and the rest of the party gets to just watch. And the level at which that started kept creeping down, IIRC I was starting to see people occasionally hit that level of power at mid level 20s by the time I level. And you cant raise the difficulty enough to slow them down and challenge them without making everyone else just miss everything/die.
As a team runner though, im done. If I can't ensure everyone my team has fun, not just specific archetypes/power sets, because the balance is broken then there is no place for me there.
Yep. His track record is questionable at best.
I want a 40K MMO !!!
Random chaos planet and war and battles on all sides
I would take a Battlefield 40K game
@@crocrox2273 sounds like planetside2
They had plans for that years ago and my god did it fail entirely, before it was anywhere close to done
Mythic's Warhammer Online is one of my all time favorite MMO's it was so far ahead of any MMO i had played before, i loved the aesthetic, the gameplay the PvP is the best i have ever played, and i played that game till the servers shut down and then i played the emulated server twice for nostalgia, they just didn't have the server tech and probably money because the open world faction PvP was laggy and that kinda killed the game, This is a seriously under used IP and i am the most hyped for this than even starfield and ES6...
For sure, I'll never forget... Played the 2h axe class with the pet and with that sick shoulder piece with the white lion head. Quick google search says it's White Lion, what a sick class name.
That game is a toxic grief fest😂😂 some of if the devs took part in that PvP toxic shenanigans. Nostalgia is a helluva drug
It's thee same stuff with Wildstar.
What is with this ridiculous reivisionism? The games failed because they weren't good enough. Both because their focus wasn't what was going to get them players, and because they had issues internally.
You want your MMO to survive? You don't focus on the PvP or "hardcore" elements. It's something people need to come to terms with because it's not going to change. The casual approach with sprinkles of hardcore is what you need, and if the vocal minority is so stupid they're going to lead people once again down that road, then enjoy your MMO being shut down so you can cry again about your nostalgia and how the game that just died was so far ahead of its time and that it was the best MMO ever made...
@@Ashelirria This. There's a reason why the TBC/WotLK Classic playerbase rivals the total WoW Retail playerbase. Going hard into class fantasy and simplicity, while also giving the player the power to effect REAL change in how they play their class... some people call this "casual" thinking but I call it making a good MMORPG.
Return of Reckoning is up !
When all this games come out in 10 years, it will be great
Thank you for your passion in covering the MMO genre. I love learning about a new studio I had not heard of and discovering my next dream game and also dream company to strive to work for.
Many people forget (perhaps due to age) that Ultima Online had an indepth system for managing NPCs / Resources. No one killing sheep; predators would migrate to the a region... The more swords that broke the more iron ore that would spawn in mines to keep it in balance. Players hording gold in a region; a dragon would spawn nearby and roam. There was a complex system that provided an interconnected web.
Warhammer Age of Reckoning is back with a private server Warhammer Return of Reckoning and its amazing. The team thats keeping it up is releasing new content and there is a good player base
Hello, I am from ten years in the future! All of these mmo's launched and died immediately. They had launch issues, bugs, and not enough end game content at launch so everybody quit playing them and went back to watching hot tub AI asmr anime girls.
I'm genuinely so sick of new, untested, unproven, unserious game dev studios being handed the warhammer IP. And I say this as someone who has been a game designer working in industry for 4 years now. It's really really hard to make good games, but it's not nearly as hard for a big IP holder like Games Workshop to put their IP in the hands of game devs who can finish reasonably good games.
Warhammer Fantasy/Age of Sigmar/40k all deserve to have well made MMOs with their massively expansive worlds and lore. There's no reason to keep handing it off to brand new studios or studios that have almost no track record.
A 40k MMO would be epic given the many juicy plotlines available now
Agree, I would spend the rest of my life just for that.
I would love to see a MMORPG where EVERY quest is a PUBLIC QUEST and quest rewards should increase by perhaps 5-10% to make it so that players want to invite others to play with. You can play these quests alone but other players will play by your side if they are in the same quest area. You could unlock ALL quests in the zone by talking to some quest npc that wants a ton of shit done at once. Different public quests could give different rewards and the first time completing it every day could give a bonus drop chance of someting nice.
Neverwinter pvp is dead
20% player base 80% 3rd party bots selling currency
The overwhelming bugs that never get fixed
Cryptic Studios banned 75% player base for exploiting bugs they can't fix
Every new mod deletes your progression (a business practice to squeeze more money from existing player base)
All Neverwinter content creators have quit TH-cam and Twitch
Neverwinter is a good game for a new player who is casual plays for a day or 2 with a friend
If you planning to play long term you will get the wrath sooner or later
does this give me hope for War-Hamer absolutely not it will be dead in arrival
Pin this comment it will age like fine wine
Thank the Lord for Unreal Engine 5. That engine is single handedly saving the gaming industry. Too many companies spend 75% of their budget trying to make an engine to get their game to work the way they want it to and it comes out looking and playing like poop *coughs in camelot unchained*. Now they can finally focus on making games and not making game engines. Cyberpunk being another example.
So you can expect loot box mania once people get hooked and then Emmeret will move on to the next cash grab
He's not exactly known for loot boxes considering most of the games mentioned he worked on don't even have them lol.
@@Ralathar44 Every game he's been involved with since he left Paragon Studios and helped found Cryptic contained loot boxes. Neverwinter, Champions, and Star Trek Online are all games heavily driven by loot boxes - it's essentially the same system for all 3. He was CCO and then CEO for the launch of all 3.
He became CEO of Daybreak in June 2016, and guess what? DCUO added loot boxes that August. :)
@@ihatevnecks7015 Weird, I played Champions Online and Neverwinter both for a good while and don't even remember loot boxes. I guess they were not really that relevant. Musta been like an ESO situation where they don't really matter at all. Star Trek Online definitely has loot boxes as a free to play game but I played that one for free happily for like a year. Ground combat sucked but all the ship stuff was great.
Maybe instead of just saying "loot boxes" and screaming we need a little more nuance between games where loot boxes really don't matter (and are also free to play) and games where loot boxes are actually necessary for satisfying progression like Shadow of War or your average mobile game. Because just screaming "reeee lootboxes" doesn't really help.
For the record I hate predatory lootboxes. But a lootbox isn't predatory by default. It's based on how it and the game its in is designed.
@@Ralathar44gamers don't have nuanced opinions though. Things are either good or bad.
It's why they get so mad if you criticise anything they like.
Great, can't wait until it enters pre-alpha in about 10 years
I was a huge fan of City of Heroes and I am now a fan of the Warhammer universe, so looking forward to seeing how this turns out.
Man, I miss city if heroes and city of villains.
@whitehuayra there are private severs now if you want to play. Homecoming, reborn thunder and a few others.
@@soulward6334 Fair warning to them though, Homecoming has seen significant power creep compared to the shutdown state of retail City of Heroes. Melee and Blasters are obscenely powerful now and support classes are basically not needed until extreme end game content.
using UE5 is a smart move. saves them so much time and hassle using a well established and supported engine instead of having to task a team of engineers with assembling one from scratch and dealing with all the ensuing bugs and issues
A Necromunda mmo would be dope.
Yeah!
I actually see this. 40K is just too big and nobody wants to admit it but Space Marines are so boring
Best way to do a Warhammer Fantasy MMO would have it be something like a cross between Planetside and Vermintide, the Empire setting, Humans/Elves/Dwarves vs Greenskin/Undead/Ogre vs Chaos/Norse/Skaven, have factions battle for territory while having dynamic Vermintide style PVE content (Beastmen, Giants, Trolls, Fimir etc) spread through the map.
Warhammer should focus on War and Combat. PVP should be the main focus, but having it play a lot like Vermintide would keep PVE content fun and fresh
Warhammer is incredible, Warhammer Fantasy more so, the fact we dont have a 3rd person WoW style MMO is crazy!
DCUO was the reason I started playing mmos
I just recently played warhammer vermintide and found the lore quite interesting.
Only to make the mistake of watching a yt video on the lore i have spent my last two days climbing the iceberg known as warhammer.
Big shout out to MajorKill for all his amazing warhammer lore videos
I had been surprised that no one had been working on a warhammer mmo. glad that has changed. Now we need a new action rpg and souls like war hammer game.
I’ve been a warhammer fan since 2002. I really hope this isn’t junk. I’d just want a wow-like whfb/Aos mmo
As long as Mark Jacobs isn't involved.
Don’t give me hope. I was in the Warhammer Online beta and fell in love. Still bummed the game never got finished and released
The best thing they could do is make an alternate timeline for the game in which Age of Sigmar is not the destruction of the world but instead rising to become a full god, allowing for the good-ish gods to be more active like Chaos is, and his Stormcast Eternals being unleashed along with the forces of Order and Chaos working internally closer with their allies instead of being at arm’s length (narratively for survival, gameplay-wise so players and their races can interact more easily with each other and the other races of their faction without jumping through narrative hoops or walking/sailing a bajillion miles).
Make it what the Age of Sigmar should have been: the Fantasy analogue of what the Age of the Emperor was in 40k. You see, Fantasy has the benefit of starting as grimdark and clawing its way up with periodic setbacks. Which means it can afford to have a light at the end of the tunnel where 40k can’t really do that as the very existence of the other factions in 40k is why it’s grimdark.
Warhammer 40k would be a better MMO world IMO - it's a much more distinct IP and hasn't been covered in other MMO games. Could be a combination of space-exploration with ground combat that doesn't really exist in the market.
For some reason, scifi is always a more niche genre than (high) fantasy... But I'd like to see base-building, resource management and simply just hauling cargo.
@@DisgruntledDoomer You just expressed why it's more niche though. A fantasy game that can restrict you to a single landmass and have an easy "you're people who quest in dungeons" gameplay loop can have a much more manageable scope. Compare that to a scifi game where you're expecting multiple planets, base and ship building, resource management and transport, and all the other quirks of sci-fi.
@@ihatevnecks7015 Nah, I actually think it boils down to NPCs. It's easy to picture "evil and mindless" orcs as targets to slaughter, but what about scifi, where species are often sentient? It's a lot tougher to write and justify massacres like that. (However, WH40k is a clear exception here, because you can have hordes of orks, tyranids, necron, etc, as opponents, without really needing to justify anything.)
If its going to be 40k, that would be pretty cool. I think there are too many fantasy mmos already. What we lack is a modern approach to a science fiction/post apocalyptic/futuristic mmo. So 40k would perfectly fit into this. We will see in roughly 20 years when the game releases I guess.
It's probably going to be Age of Sigmar.
40k boring af
WIsh it was for 40K - But still cool with the Medieval aswell
Warhammer Online was one of my favourite MMOs. I still jump into RoR from time to time for a bit of nostalgia. I'll watch this space.
For me personally Warhammer Online age of Reckoning was underrated, the game was amazing. Only issue with it was once EA started to do well... scummy EA things and everything tanked.
One MMO that i hold dear to my heart... Star Wars Galaxies, an amazing sandbox MMO... and no MMO has come close since.
I played a ton of the WAR private server (RoR) in 2020. They radically fixed PvP and progression. If the game had used that progression system at launch it would have been much better. Also the new version had the benefit of everyone having much more powerful PCs.
i prefer warhammer 40k mmo, there needs to be more sci-fi mmos. There's already a bunch of fantasy mmos and we dont need more. Warhammer 40k still has magic in it and a bunch fantasy elements. Also they need to stop announcing games that are still 5-7 years away from release. Just announce it like a year prior to release.
I'm still sad that Dark Millenium got shafted
@@Zuemmel dude I feel that deep in my soul still to this day.
@@MrLutharr the announcement trailer was pure bolter porn with the Warhound walking around and Black Templars and World Eaters duking it out.. *sheds some tears*
Jesus fuck the intro is a jumpscare for anyone with morals
Gods I'd kill for a new Warhammer Fantasy mmo, to be a Grail Knight!
I wonder if dynamic questing, especially a community wide effort, would actually lend itself spectacularly to a seasonal model.
Didn't get to help eradicate the orcs, and now fighting the dark elves? Wanted to see how it all played out, but you came to the game later? Help make the push next season and be part of the journey!
They could even offer a rotation of these in an MMO for different seasons to keep the world fresh.
I feel like Ashes of Creations node system has more permanence from what I understand, so something repeatable, but not too frequently, would be pretty awesome.
Rust proves that full loot pvp can work as a strong niche. That's why pax dei and albion having the pve and pvp zones seperated from eachother makes sense. Randim ganking stops in the general open world but happens in those zones.
I'd love a combat system similar to BDO. Imagine obliterating hordes of enemies in a Mature rated Fantasy or 40K setting.
Whats bdo?
@@CptRonSolo Black Desert Online
No needing to memorize key combinations for skills, though.
dev: making a game
players: did you played what you made?
dev: no I am an adult I have a job to do
Ugh... There's a long standing rule that whenever people leave the studio theily are known for and create a new one the new studio is vaporware or a Kickstarter flop.
They can't live up to their past success and it holds them back.
Have you read about why he left Daybreak Studios? If you haven't you should.
I'm not an MMO guy, but what I believe to be most important is for me to get immersed in the world. This is something I feel Age of Reckoning failed to achieve. There have to be massive armies on battlefields, and you have to be somebody that tries to support his faction in a meaningful way, and your actions should culminate in an epic victory. What I don't want to see is a dozen sorcerers bustle about in the same spot wearing funny looking hats on rollerblades - that is just not something that would ever happen in the Warhammer universe.
If this is going to be another Eternal Crusade (Dark Millenium) , im not sure my heart can take it.
As someone who was amazed by the original Warhammer Online and had more fun in it than other mmo even tho my comp glitched a little during gameplay (computers fault), I am ecstatic to hear this. I am really really happy to hear this thank you for the video.
HOT DAMN! I was just looking up stuff about the old Warhammer mmo then I stumble upon this.
Gw2 has a bit of that dynamic event style. I think it works well.
The studio CEO worked at Cryptic and Daybreak. This project is DoA.
Box Price + Battle Pass + Cosmetic shop is perfect tbh. Just make sure in game cosmetics can compete and at the higher end be better than cash shop.
Tanks in PVP in warhammer mmo was actually useful. When taunted an enemy, it forced them to retarget you, even though they could just reacquire their target, but if they attacked anyone but you for the duration of the taunt, which was a decent length, they did 30% reduced damage.
I would really be happy about a 40k mmo. Maybe in the city of hero style, 40 bucks for space marines, 40 bucks to play an Eldar campaign and 40 bucks to play Chaos. This way we get 3 big stories factions specializing the factions ala city of heroes city of villains or old school guild wars.
40k faction style pvp would be FUCKING AMAZING
City of Hero's always has been and always will be the best mmo of all time. Those that know, know.
I have no faith is this project based on their history and the tidbits revealed here.
Monetization depends on the preference of stockholders.
Very Short-Termist -> Box + Release Date DLC + P2W + P4C + Cosmetics + Kill your dog and sleep with your wife (Probably some Korean MMO)
Short-Termist -> Box + Cosmetics + P2W (Launch Black Desert Online) // F2P + Cosmetics + P2W + P4C (Lost Ark)
Medium-Termist -> F2P + Cosmetics + P2W + Expansions (Destiny, Diablo Immortal) // Box + Cosmetics + Subscription + Expansions + P4C (WoW, ESO)
Long-Termist -> F2P + Cosmetics + Expansions (Starcraft 2) // Box + Expansions (Warcraft, Civilization 5)
Very Long-Termist -> F2P + Cosmetics (Path of Exile, LoL)
Cool, cool, cool but on a more serious note, hey Force, what kind of hair product do you use? Your hair look so thick and voluminous
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I'm glad that he does not want to focus on PvP. I think PvP is fine for competitive, short-lived games like fps, mobas etc. where you play a round and start on an even footing and when the game is over you start again. Those games are designed for PvP and specifically balanced. Long term games like MMORPGS don't work so well in that manner in my opinion. You are investing so much time into your character and restricted by the choices that you made many hours ago. You play a certain class, race or faction and if the balance isn't right, which it never will be for 100%, it sucks that you are stuck with these choices unless you want to go through the whole grind of leveling another character.
I think cooperative gameplay is a better fit - think Darktide, Deep Rock Galactic, Helldivers and of course classic MMO dungeons and raids.
I dread to think what F2P P2W NFT awful heresy they will come up with. There was a time when I would have gotten excited as f for a new WH MMO but then cash shops, rmt and botting ruined the genre forever. I'll give it a 50/50 of making it to launch without being cancelled.
Sad but true. Devs may want to make the game gamers want, but the grubby little rats who publish games, well they couldnt give a toss about anything but the $$$
Dynamic Events has already been done (fairly successfully) in GW2....
I would love a 40k Mmo it would probably be my dream game. Imagine being an ultra marine blood angel or necron class. There's so much they could do with a 40k Mmo. I won't get my hopes up, but I hope it will be 40k
Honestly, a 40k mmo would be pretty freaking cool. Don't get me wrong, i love the warhammer fantasy as well but the mmo market is pretty oversaturated with high fantasy themed mmo's. 40k would definitely help the game stand out
"We are pretty set on using UE5." "It's not set yet, it could be from any of the Warhammer timelines."
So yea... this is a barebones announcement of a potential project that is about to be *started*. Don't expect to see this "MMO" (if it even turns out to be an actual MMORPG) anytime within the next 5 years (more likely longer).
Oooh I love warhammer. Not surprised a new warhammer mmo is being made with the renewed interest in warhammer games, especially fantasy because of total war.
I could see any of the IP being the one that gets picked. Fantasy for the release of Old World, 40k for the tv/movies coming, AoS because they wanna push that.
At this point, I hope it’s an alternate universe branch regardless of whether it’s in Fantasy or 40K.
Free open world PvP is one of the primary detractors I have with Ashes of Creation. It's either not going to be a problem at all with their corruption system, or it will single-handedly kill the game.
I pulled over to watch this... I cant wait until I retire to my MMO old folks home!!
i had found memories of the old warhammer MMO, allways wanted a new warhammer MMO no matter the universe
40k nearly got an MMO over a decade ago at this point called Dark Millenium and it looked so good just sadly died along with THQ before it could come out. I really hope its' 40k cause Fantasy got its shot and Sigmar is just an extension of Fantasy. Let 40k get its turn to have a massive and engrossing world, we NEED a fully created Hive City to stomp around in as Marines/Guardsmen/Orks/Chaos/Eldar/Necrons/Tau whatever. Just please, give 40k a shot at the MMO genre, it deserves its chance.
I've played dozens of MMOs over the years and found the "free 2 play" games were *too expensive*. The F2P games always come to a brutal, boring grind as you get deeper into them and then you have to decide whether or not to spend "a little money" to increase the pace again. For most of us with jobs, wives, and kids...we have more money than time to throw away on insane grinding, so we bite the bullet and throw money at the game. I spent roughly $60 a month on Archeage to pay property taxes and get some nice P2W items for clan battles. Some of my clan mates were spending 2 or 3 times this amount! No F2P games for me. Thanks.
Played WoW pretty much non stop since TbC with breaks here and there to test new games etc. Longest break was 2 years when SWTOR came out, but WoW brings me back😂
For me I dont mind a monthly sub, ill rather take that then a heavy cash shop P2Win stuff. If the developers are 50/50 on sub or cash shop, just do a low sub + cosmetic shop only. Most games with sub have like 10+ dollars a month, a new game could have 5 dollars then. Alot more ppl will play it then since its cheaper
12:41 A box priced mixed with live service elements where they can change the original “box” that you bought should literally be illegal. What D4 did to the Eternal Realm players who paid $70 to literally enjoy the base “box” game they bought is absolutely disgusting. I see your point of having a box price and how it lends to an overall better game with less purchases along the way… but you literally followed that thought up with reality where both sides are implementing purchases along the way. Live service titles and MMO’s should ALL be Free-To-Play for this reason… if i like the game and systems they have and feel like i want to invest my time into a live service game then i have no problem paying a small monthly fee to play it where the monthly fee should not exceed 33% of the price of a standard AAA box price for the first 3 months of release and then i would essentially own the game and only be subject to dlc and battle pass fee’s which I would happily pay if i am still playing the game. My thought here is that i, as a casual gaming dad can experience an entire game usually within 3 months. And if this live service game is not for me, then I cut my loss of that first monthly fee and cancel my subscription… but the entire gaming industry right now with its box prices are just one big “GOTCHA” right out of the game… and there isnt anything we can do because they already got our money. I have wasted so much money on shity games that are unfinished upon release that its not even funny… looking at you cyberpunk…. But at least cyberpunk is great now! And thats my point… with a monetization scheme like i have mentioned players can tryout games and get into them without the full price regret when it sucks. Not everyone sits on YT waiting for reviews and when a game looks good it looks good and we all want to play it, and when we do play it and hate it… its NOT right… but i do think they should get something… haha i mean im not a total savage… i want studios to make great games that are great right out of the box. That concept seems to be a thing of the past. I love gaming and it saddens me to say that lately it feels like more of a hassle and with over 400 games in my digital library that i have collected over the years and I cant be bothered to boot any of them up even when i sit down wanting a good game to play… yeah… the inhumanity haha i get it.
I would cast my vote for a 40K MMO. There are plenty of fantasy MMOs out there, but not enough sci-fi.
Come to think of it: is there ANY viable sci-fi MMO these days that is not old enough to buy beer?
Endless player progression is one thing, but what about social progression?
A aspect every MMO have failed at for quite some time. Every method of making a player feel like they are contributing, rewarded, appreciated and recognized have been on a petty level, over bloated or destroyed by micro transactions.
It takes a mature person to enjoy things like that - and a lot of players simply aren't very mature, regardless of age. (That's why boomers play EVE Online, because it's like an interactive org-chart, LOL.)
@@DisgruntledDoomer I did not play EVE Online for long, but they do got a couple of interesting mechanics that's forgotten or ignored in modern mmo games.
The explorer got several opportunitets to be a boon for their group/clan, be it scouting for resources, mapping the terrain and shortcuts or hunting down a over extended player.
Having active explorers in the game attracts typical gankers, and the game don't fail to reward them as well, while most other mmos struggles with dead pvp zones.
Failing to lure the sheep to the flock of wolfs, as in 99% of the cases it would be unrewarding.
And they recognize and reward positive social interactions without forcing it or on the cost of modern player tools. (Not that EvE Online can't be very toxic, but community contribution on different scales is a recognized path and the very reason some of their players are still logging on.)
It's not perfect, but at least it's considered. And I belive the game benefits greatly.
We need a 40k MMO as long as it is executed with the lore as the focus.
15:23 - Rather than content depth, I think the success of WoW was helped a lot by three major things: "just right", "soon(TM)" and established IP in other forms.
Of the three, I think the IP is honestly the weakest.
I'm old enough to remember Blizzard before WoW. I played Warcraft: Orcs and Humans (WC) when it released. It was a fairly common RTS jumping in on the Command and Conquer (C&C) craze of the time. The gameplay was pretty average, but one of the best parts of it was the flavor. The characterization was really very good. One of the things C&C brought to the table was a lot more punch with the live-action cutscenes. In C&C the different sides were clearly defined, but the units were fairly cardboard. Both sides had different units, but a vehicle was a vehicle. It was a tank or jeep in your side's color. In WC the different sides had units that looked, walked and talked differently. The buildings were very different, too. It was development of that artistic direction that really gave the units life and made the sides fun to play, even though the game was fairly basic. Blizzard also wasn't afraid to delay a WoW update if they didn't feel it worked correctly, wasn't tuned right and didn't fit the game's world right. They weren't afraid to maintain that artistic direction and gameplay experience. I'm not sure if that is still the case, but I'd cop to it at least through much of vanilla. You can't duplicate that in a year or two. You can also lose it if you don't put the artistic direction first and are not willing to postpone or rework if something doesn't fit right.
Warcraft was Warhammer originally, but at the time GW wasn't thinking about computer gaming.
RIFT had a pretty decent dynamic content system, WAR's public quests were okay just needed some random wrinkles.
Seeing that old Everquest Next footage made me sad. I was so excited about that game and then nothing ever happened
"Dark Elves in the caverns beneath" "Infested" Already seems bad when the Dark Elves are Skaven.
It makes me sick of gaming when devs decide they need to announce a game that's easily half a decade away. The last 10 years have pretty much shown me if a game is announced in pre alpha, it's going to be bad, no if's ands, or buts.
City of Heroes is my favorite game of all time, I spent countless hours in that world and made many friends I remember fondly. It has private servers now but it's not nearly as good as the only populated server made it too easy to lvl and made changes I'm not crazy about
I have so many hours in Star Trek I can't count. The space combat was so good it makes me want to play now. Keeping an eye on this.
I want a new fresh Warhammer Age of Reckoning mmo, that game so damn good and still is, sucks they shut it down officially, it's truly a gem of a game!
Keep Paul Barnett the hell away!
40k please! Would love to get my chaos marine fight on!
Personally I think the 'perfect' monetisation strategy for an MMO is no (or a modest) box price, but a monthly subscription with no in-game cash shop. A box price and that's it works for the majority of games which have no or very little ongoing development costs, but MMOs are very different in that regard. Just my 2c.
I agree though I’d say box price is full price + a required subscription then sell expansions on top of that. A low entry price and only a sub would open the gates to a possible cash shop.
initial price + subs is all they should be doing. Cash shop makes devs design around it which hurts the communities.
PvP is hard and scary, but it is also fun. In WoW I almost never done any battlegrounds and PvP arenas, but the thrill of open world PvP - loved it! It's not fun in New World, because it's not forced -- you can switch it off, which means only hardcore PvP players turn it on. I'm too average to have a chance of beating them. But if everyone was in the same boat, it would be much more likely to survive in an assassination attempt. 😁
have you followed Ashes of Creation at all?
Issue with 40k is the insane amount of content they would need to create. You could never recreate the full system without it feeling very bland. My vote would be for playing as a human from a hive city. Being able to visit space marine and other races worlds. But you are limited to playing human and having the space marines and other races as characters you look up to when you walk around the world.
I don't think that's an issue. Since it is an mmo, they can release big update to add to it's content. They can release maybe like 3 factions on release then play around with that 3 factions to create a starting campaign each so you can select any faction you want to play as, then add other factions in the future updates when it's ready as an expansions. That's very common to most mmo out there. If anything, the more content the better. 40k lore was already rich and established, all they need to do is keep the content coming and that will ensure the player base increasing and keep engaging with each new content they release. Plus with current advance tech, devs would be even more flexible to establish a strong game system/design.
Free to play business model also means players are not invested and drop off as soon as the next big free to play game releases. Buy to play on the other hand means you have more interested players leading to higher player retention.
Personally for games to survive, a buy to play model with cash shop for cosmetics and DLC content will lead to more dedicated players.
If you had the combat of vermintide in an MMO format, I bet it would be super popular
City of Heroes/City of Villains was awesome tbh.
Many good memories from them :D
Give me a Horus Heresy MMO and you can take all my money, time, kidney's, my nieces and nephews, even a lung if I could still live. Etc. ... You get the point.
I had the best memories with friends playing warhammer online defending the keeps 😢
I think there is two Warhammer MMOs in making. This one and somekind of a Age of Sigmar style of game.
Fantasy mmorpg is too common now, mmo players would be intrigue by 40k universe. Knowing how rich 40k universe are, the amount of content is limitless.
Im surprised anyone still makes mmos. Its the best genre for holding back rpgs