Why Dragon Ball GT is so Hated?!
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The one thing I don't forgive them for is Vegeta's hair cut.
That's actually Toriyama's fault, he made Vegeta's first gt design with the mustache and hair
@@peachtree4338 i just cant forgive toriyama for Gyru. He basically created the robot Jar Jar Binks
@@peachtree4338 he created the ssj4 transformation too didnt he? I know it wasnt his main project but i cant see it as non canon when he had some handy work in GT, just not how he was with DB and DBZ.
Pan being annoying as hell doesnt help either. Overall it feels more like Dragon ball than super ever will
Trash asf🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The only sin of GT was to give us Vegeta's mustache and then take it away.
@@thazfffhow dare they tease us with drip omni man vegeta then take it away
@@justinregaladoshortsOn me bro why are you so fucking right, right now!?😭🙌🏽
Lol yes.
@@thazfffThat’s not how hair works…
They robbed us of mustached babi vegeta
The irony is GT honored the LORE way more than Super did.
For real I just finished watching DB-Z-Super-GT in that order and GT “felt” more canon then Super did. 100%
@@skullcandy5411imma say it's probably cuz of the animation
@@skullcandy5411Super sucks. Instead of coming up with an original and interesting idea they are just trying to jump on the “cinematic universe” bandwagon.
I literally just had a debate about this dude thought I was retarded when I said GT is better
Yup. Thats cus GT had consquences. In Super everything resets at the end of every storyline so it jist feels like nothing has progressed character wise besides for some new different colored hair.
What people still forget is that Toriyama said it is canon. Its an alternate timeline.
Toriyama does not hate GT like some fans believe. Even the new upcoming Daima seems like it homage to GT. People think Super was made to correct GT. No, it was made to correct Evolution, the shitty live action movie.
He said that like 20 years ago and too much has changed in Super to make it canon anymore. It literally can’t be canon.
The end of The Dragon Ball Manga and DBZ anime also can't be canon anymore either. Timeline wise. Because for starters, everyone knows pan and the Z fighters clearly have passed the point of "not seeing each other for 10 years". And the Moro arc brought in Uub.
@@mattieonutube273 supers the one that isn't canon clown
@@WitheringZealot Super is made by Akira Toriyama who is the series creator. Do research before you make stupid statements. It’s also still in active development, unlike GT which is a non canon alternate timeline made by a different person decades ago.
"All characters except goku were sidelined"
That was ALWAYS a problem
Super Hero?
It’s really severe in gt compared to the rest of the series
@@darkflameofphonix4709 small little exceptions to the rule don't change that fact. We could argue about how much screentime Pan got in GT as a side character in that case. Dragonball has always had that problem when it comes to its side characters
I didnt even know this while watching the series
@@Thej4589That's just false
At least the SSJ4 form looks really cool and isn't just a new hair colour.
I think ssj4 is probably my favourite form
@@Charbel-zf2yt I really like it. I always thought it as weird SSJ3 had hair that got longer and disappearing eyebrows. And DB Super played it a little too save with just different hair colours.
@@Charbel-zf2ytyeah imo the dbs transformations are a big downgrade from ssj4 visually
Are you kidding. SS4 is horrible design.
@@mysticvetenks bro how? Atleast its way more creative than a simple hair color change. The Ape resamblence is also fitting
The ending of GT still makes me cry. It was fantastic
If they never did Super (and if it was cannon) it was a SOLID ending!
@@blizbiggysuper would still technically be before gt on the timeline I believe
@@blizbiggy it is canon
@@submaxcw7947as in if gt was canon
@crismon0726 GT is Canon. It's an alternate timeline. It wasn't Canon for a long time, but Toryama changed that.
R.I.P AKIRA TORIYAMA,YOU WERE A LEGEND
Fun Fact: Akira Toriyama himself loved GT. He even drew a picture of SS4 for the GT DVD Box Set.
citation needed
FACTS!! 💯
he also gave the outline for gt the same way he has for super.
I’ll take gt over super easy
@@Roadrvnnerreally? GT over super??
To be honest, sidelining characters is actually something Toriyama does a lot.
Vegeta: "A Saiyan's hair never changes from the day he is born"
Also Vegeta: Cuts hair and grows moustache, turns into Freddie Mercury
If that's true where is the vegeta with red hair? His 1st appearance in z was with red hair.😂😂😂😂😂
And then Toriyama came back to give us less cohesive and captivating storylines WITH his help!
"So check this out Toriyama, Goku's new SSJ4 form has monkey fur to callback to the saiyans great ape oozaru form that they have when their tales are intact."
"His what form? Goku had a tail?"
@@kayleptwomoons1007*tails
@@Ash220IQ I watched the episode at the end of the first world tournament where he gets his tail back a few weeks ago. I've been watching Dragon Ball 6-8 episodes at a time once every week for a few months now. It's taking me too long.
@@kayleptwomoons1007 damn
Tbh the only good gt Saga Is Baby
Ssj4 will always be the best looking transformation.
Yep red and blue are pretty underwhelming and dumb
Nah, I personally like the simple look of Ssj (specifically namek version) and UI omen, theyre cool af, but 4 is the best designed ill say, its kinda overwhelming tho
That's the pnly good thing about GT.
I didn't watch GT, but those designs really stood out to me, the very primal look is actually genius
Nah OG Super Saiyan is GOAT. SSJ4 make me think they are furry
Say what you want about GT but Baby is an awesome villain to watch fight, that's why he's so entertaining to play as in DBZ Fighters.
Same thing with Shenron, but other than the main fights the overall show isn't as captivating (we ain't talking about the finale of course, that was a master piece). Personally I kind of know the whole story but I have never watched GT for the same reason, it doesn't captivate me that much.
Pd: That's just my opinion, I respect yours and other people's opinions and if they like or dislike it for different reasons. Me personally don't hate it but don't glorify it like some people do.
@@Nobodyfrom2003 Oh I ain't defending GT as a whole, the show ain't great but Baby is quite an entertaining watch. And as someone who plays a lot of DBZ Fighters, he's just a freaking treat to play as in that game.
@bradypahl568 wait, Baby is on DBZ Fighters?
@@Nobodyfrom2003 Yup, he was released during season pass 3 at about the start of 2021 and he's insanely fun.
@@Nobodyfrom2003 You should watch it before making an opinion like that. Cause I'll say, as a kid I loved it all. As an adult the first arc can be boring for sure. But the rest of GT was fun to watch. Minus a few of the darkstar dragon episodes but not every single episode of Dragon Ball or Z is very entertaining as an adult either. It definitely had a faster pace, which was something everyone cried about DBZ was the slow pacing of charging up and screaming. I'd bet GT has a higher ratio of fighting than any other DB saga/franchise.
If you watch it all too you'll see how DB super just stole so many ideas from GT, as well as the movies. For example Full Power SSJ4 was done with 3 saiyans. Same fashion as when Goku got SSJG. In GT they did it twice, against Bebi and then again to face Syn Shenron.
Personally it’s my favorite DB series, I grew up with it. I always thought the traveling planets was insane as a kid.
How the hell did you even watch it? Was it on TV? I watched dbz easily but never could find gt anywhere on tv
@@flgatorsnygiants6824 it was on Cartoon Network and had reruns for a while
@@flgatorsnygiants6824 There were dvds and maybe you missed the times it aired. Maybe you didn't have access to the channels it was on. I remember Nicktoons aired a couple episodes.
"Not cannon"? Now I weep alone in the corner for ss4's cause that was some badass stuff
The non cannon ssj4 was the reason Toriyama "stole" alot from gt to put it in the super... Like ui? The way gole becomes first time ssj god and other things 😂😂😂😂😂
I like GT, but it has its important flaws:
1. Goku is the only character that gets to shine.
2. It's way too rushed; there are 64 episodes, and I think that just the Universal Survival Saga in DB Super features more than 70.
3. Z/Manga ending showed the rise of Uub as a new hope for a younger generation of heroes, but he was sidelined pretty soon.
Yeah, because Vegeta definitely doesn't shine in the Baby or Shadow Dragon sagas, huh? Fucking casuals 🤦
Yea, they hyped up Majuub so much just for him to immediately lose.
Like the concept of Uub refusing with Buu to become some super human being with the candy ray is amazing, but they executed it poorly by having him be borderline irrelevant almost immediately.
A slap in the face to the fans honestly.
@@yoonwasxd2560 dragon ball means goku time
Goku in every series "almost" always is the one to get the W
So no gt is not goku time
Dragon ball is goku time
1. Goku is always the only character that gets to shine
Gohan got to shine once in Z and that was it
2. GT was so hated for flaws that the other shows had that it didnt get to go past 64 so of course it was rushed
3. Even if uub gets to shine once in super he wil quickly be kicked to the curb like gohan was because all of dragon ball is Goku time
@@yoonwasxd2560 oh!!
I thought you were being a smartass xD alot of people use that as a way to insult GT
I am so sorry xD
No I think gt stands for Grand Touring I think is what Akira toriyama said
As the first arc is touring the universe for the 7 black star balls
Ngl the SSJ 4 design slaps 💯
Except it doesnt even resemble anything supersayin. The golden great ape makes more sense as the ultimate sayin form.
I like more GT than super
@@metaloverload7374 I think the fur should have been golden and not red. Other than that, SSJ 4 > any other SSJ form. Also GT > Super.
TRUUUUUEEE
Only in Goku and Gogeta, Vegeta looks horrible in ssj 4
More screentime for other characters was definitely needed, but having all the other characters kinda give up fighting is the whole point of living in peace. Ever since Dragonball Goku's lifestyle always outlasts everyone else's involvement in fighting against Evil. I personally believe Vegeta would definitely settle down, especially after The Buu Crisis
When I watched GT when I was 13 I loved it to bits. It has a very special place in my heart. As does Kai and the original dragon ball show
The funny thing is, some people hate DBS because it IS canon
I’m one of those people 😂
I don’t hate DBS, I just hate the anime version. The glossy style, the lazy drawing, the fast-paced fights, the unexplained transformations etc
At least GT gave us more muscle tone and raw fight scenes😅
@@kingzae8753 yeah like for me, the best thing out of super was the Broly movie
@@PotentialUnleashed.25u fr a hater 💀 can’t tell me ui goku wasnt hype
@@sanzen3694 😂😂 He was cool. The Broly movie just captured more of my attention than anything super had to offer
Ssj4 was dope AF
It needs to be incorporated
I'd really like them to incorporate SS4 into Gohan's Beast transformation. Like what if Beast is just the tip of the iceberg & then the final form looks like SS4? That would be so cool.
Edit: To be clear, I don't want this hypothetical transformation to be THE SS4, I just think the look of SS4 was cool & to see something inspired by it would be awesome. SS4 was one of the best things to come out of GT & it seems a shame to lose it. But I also don't think they should rip off the look of SS4 wholesale. Maybe change a few things, like the color scheme & keep Gohan's Beast hair. But that's just my opinion.
@@KDizzy6SSJ4 can’t happen because SSJ3 alone is was too strenuous on their physical bodies and drains too much energy. Goku uses SSJG and Blue but doesn’t use SSJ3. SSJ4 would practically be pointless and useless… although I did love SSJ4 in GT, the design for it was amazing too!
@@_hoodnerd_ that logic dont make sense because ssj4 was less strenuous than ssj3. I think maybe combining ssj4 and god ki etc together would be perfect, i mean a super saiyan god super saiyan 4 sounds great.
Still can be tbh
Ssb is just an SS with God ki lol they also never managed to fix their stamina or ki drain issue particularly well
Based on what we know about ss4 it would be more than perfect to abuse the new power with.
That being said don't expect it because they just copped out ss roots by going in the ultra transformations.
@@_hoodnerd_ss3 was essentially a halfed ss4 transformation lol
You can think of it as grade 3 ss tbh
Ss4 wastes nearly no ki at all and doesn't strain the body super hard so long as they aren't too young (kid goku during gt)
SSJ4 still the coolest design, period
But we true Dragon Ball fans never hated any DB show cuz GT is one of them and it's still my personal favourite ❤ 🎉
This man really compared the animation of a movie to an episode, and you are not convincing me Toriyama had cohesive moments when the Cell and Buu saga exists as cool moments barely stitched together with a flimsy plot.
Cell and Buu had good plots they were just the first parts of the series to have bigger flaws and weak points compared to the frieza and saiyan saga
"It's not cannon"
People that eat up multiverse asspulls
😂 That's such a great point its a bit ridiculous
Also people that believe certain anime is canon too with the manga
Butt hirt folks for sure
I loath when creators and fans use the multiverse excuse to make up for bad writing self-cornering.
@@humanman9920 when it is in fact a different continuity to the manga.
Rest in piece Toriyama
It may not be cannon, but there was a lot of care and love for the lore of the series.
Also, with Toriyama admitting he forgets about his own stuff all the time (a possible case of early onset dementia) he is not capable of producing quality cannon for the sheer fact he cannot even remember where the story is at and all the things that preceeded it
Whoa whoa whoa. Akira Toriyama was directly involved with the first season of GT. He oversaw the entire production of the show! In fact, he gave the series the okay before ANY idea was allowed to be made. Akira Toriyama even NAMED the show GT for Grand Tour. Toriyama has gone on record and stated that the SSJ4 transformation was his favorite design of Goku, even though he didn’t make it. So it’s not like he wasn’t around. The main difference between this and the others is that Toriyama didn’t WRITE the scripts. He did put his seal of approval on them!
Yup and he's said it's cannon but on a different timeline
literally not lmao
The only crime they did is they removed Vegeta mustache before we managed to see his sweet little mustache turn saiya....
Ssj4 was an actually creative transformation for the saiyans that I hope they do more with instead of changing hair colour. Honestly what they did with Freiza in super makes me sad. He started off with a bunch of cool transformations, literally changing his body as he got stronger but with super it's just pallet swaps.
Loved GT, from the story, to the characters to soundtrack… it was phenomenal.
If people are hating on gt for the sole reason that it isn’t a canon story and they’re not criticising legitimate issues, you people are strange
It was the reason for years 😂 this fandom is off the wall
Nah I don’t watch anything that’s not canon tbh not even filler
@@lah_red3257 nerd
I mean, at this point, Super isn't Canon. "The End of Z" is the canonical ending to Z, and there was a mention of peace time between Buu and where we pick back up (for at least 5 years, Goku hadn't seen his friends). We are basically at "The End of Z" time frame, and there has been nothing but action.
At least GT takes place after the time skip.
@@BigPapaGandasuper is canon we see that everyone barley saw goku and vegeta with how they are on beerus planet and the only action that was on earth was cell max so now is what u can say the 5 years cus the peace can be said for earth not in other planets
Doesn’t matter to me that it’s not “canon” I personally treat it as the original anime sequel to Z
I treat it like original trash
@@sonnywoods6846 well you know the saying one man’s trash is another’s treasure
On Kami
@@lorenzowright5814or king Kai, I don't know that whole thing is screwy.
@@soullessginger9912 I Think You're Misunderstanding What I Meant By Saying
"On Kami"
Well, the end made me cry, so yes , it’s a good anime
I’m one of the few that actually loved GT. I really liked how it was dark and sinister especially the Baby and Super Android 17 arcs.
Toriyama wasn't there to make sure Goku got all the love, but somehow Goku got even more of all the love.
This is one of the reason why I hate the internet. When I was watching this during my childhood, I really love this series.
I like GT even if it isn't cannon. Forget the haters lol.
One of my favorites to be honest. The baby saga was my fav. Matter fact let me pop that dvd in
Both the Shadow Dragon's and Baby arc's are the most interesting stories in of all GT as well as Ubb and Pan being two new very much unique and underrated character's that also should've got more screen time. Another thing about Ubb is that the original plan was for Ubb to be the primary main protagonist of GT instead of Goku.
I don’t know why but I always use to believe that Pan ruined DBGT because of her involvement prevented Goten and Trunks from fusing into Adult Gotenks, mostly from how she made the spaceship leave without Goten
Personally I really loved GT because of the shadow dragons and Baby especially super great ape and ssj4 transformations I wished they gave us more details on the 100 year time jump at the end I wish we saw more of that future
There was a short movie that gave us a bit more Dragon Ball GT: A Hero's Legacy
but overall, yes I would of liked more of it too
You can’t compare a movie to a tv show as your main argument, we can’t be doing that now
Explain please ? Not being funny haha I am not that knowledgeable about this comparison.
@@deewill2131 A movie with millions of dollars in funding vs a tv show with maybe thousands at most
Bru, Cell Vs Goku looked better 💀
THANK YOU! About time someone pointed out that BS comparison. Heck, anime is known for often having limited budgets and time constraints, so comparing a movie to a show in terms of animation is stupid.
Yeah, Janenba movie has much more animation quality than regular Z.
GT's animation is amazing, I think it's probably the best animation style for a shonen in the 90's.
I loved it when it was featured in other movies like the GT movies.
Unpopular opinion but I liked GT. Don’t get where the hate comes from. Plus ssj4 transformation is the sickest in the series
We need to canonize this
I just think GT happens in a alternate timeline, nothing more; nothing less
That's how I also looked at it.
So was Super.
Same
Bro you’re completely correct, it’s Universe 3, when TOP happened it was a Robot that looked like Lord Luud from GT, when I researched and compared characters from GT to Universe 3 they’re the same robot/android characters. Lhfh and people still talking bad about GT when they just follow hype but don’t even pay attention to details.
@@chuckk2fuego76GT isn't Canon unfortunately, it's just that the 2 characters look similar
That SSJ4 transformation sequence was something else tho
I appreciated it for the content when no one else was making Dragon Ball episodes anymore. It was something Dragon Ball to watch and have fun with while waiting.
Not everything you said was correct. Most people are just not aware of how much more interesting the Black Star Dragon Ball's were as well as the Baby arc which was the best and most original arc in GT.
Actually, Toriyama had artistic involvement when they were starting the show. He gave them some designs to work with. Not to mention his stamp of approval.
Dragonball has multiple canons, dude. No official has ever made a statement against GT's favor & it appears one will never be made. It's all been toxic fans.
Super & GT are in the same boat as Toei's continuations of Dragonball. Hell, Super is even more of a mess as 2 canons... the manga & anime are too different from each other to be considered the same thing. And I'm not even putting Moro or Gas in the equation yet.
Those who hate GT are those who refuse it out of it not being Super / the current thing or are just following a majority. Much like how you are told as a child to hate things because everyone else round you hates them.
Dragon Ball has multiple continuities, only one canon
@ThatOneGuy420 The words Canon & Continuity are almost interchangeable. They're connected concepts.
Plus, when you say "only one canon"... Which version of Super are you tossing in the wind? I don't think you thought your response through before posting.
The best way to look at it is that the Toei Anime Canon is multiple canons. Then you can have your Manga Canon.
I look at Dragonball from the big picture approach with sound logic that can be supported by good evidence/research.
I was originally one that moved on to "Super Only" but I learned that was the wrong way to approach the franchise because that's not the way the officials approach it.
I rewatched gt recently and you can't tell me with a straight face that Gt was good.
Here's why.
The first arc is legit just hunting dragon balls again which is cool since trunks replaced Bulma as the smart one who's tech savvy, but they leave out goten. The whole luud storyline switches villains several times for no reason and even the show producers themselves said they found the story boring while working on it. That and they could've just used the regular dragon balls and wished the black ones back to earth instantly.
Baby arc was great. Lots of mystery and him coming to earth was very interesting.
Super 17 comes and literally every character not Goku is useless as well as having endless cameos of characters who don't do anything like nappa. We didn't even get raditz to see Goku again lmao
The shadow dragons are all defeated by plot holes except ice. It's literally an asspull everytime one is beaten and you don't notice this until you marathon the saga.
The ending is amazing but the ride there was bumpy as fuck. It's got 1 good arc out of 4 and the rest was trash. Super Saiyan 4 should be brolys new default transformation though. Since he has the yellow eyes.
@@CelticVizard Theyre not the same though. DB Manga + DB Minus + Jaco Galactic Patrolman + DBS Toriyama notes + Toriyama Movie Scripts are canon. Then everything else is in other continuities
@ThatOneGuy-oh8qx continuities and canon are interchangeable terms.
There is also no "official" canon to DB. Everything is fan made up BS of what is and isn't canon based on popular opinion.
Better than hair dye transformation simulator.
Dawg dbz and dbs have the same style of transformations
@@bobbyblackman1118 at least it wasn't a straight up recolour in DBZ☠️. Forms like ssj3 changed appearance entirely. In DBS, SSG, SSB, MUI all merely change hair colour. Never ever compare the two
@aayushmanral2571 forms like ssj3 thats the only form with major changes other than ssj ssj2 is just spikier which super would get shit for if it happened ultimate gohan in barely changed anything dbs didnt stray far from the formula its the same formula except different colors
@@bobbyblackman1118 the difference is they were all original and not recolours. Effort was present in all transformations. If you tell me Gohan SSJ and SSJ2 look alike in design then you're crazy. The fact is that everything in Super seems lazy.
@aayushmanral2571 im not telling you that the its the same way as trunks ssj and ssj2 and rage looking different in super and you cant follow up aaying " the fact is" with it seeming lazy
there’s one thing people get wrong about GT when complaining about the goku focus and all that: the show is incredibly short. they crammed 4 arcs into fewer episodes than Z typically spent on one…and the whole time toei was scrambling for solutions because ratings were down and they were too impatient to figure out why. the bebi arc is a masterpiece but when that didn’t turn it around it’s clear that they panicked and just tried to bring back as much of Z as possible, which is how we got the super 17 mess. toei was in no position to let vegeta handle an arc (which has never happened in any series…) or give goten and trunks a side story where they could really shine, they were just trying to keep the show alive at that point. all things considered it’s a miracle that GT was as good as it was
Dragon ball gt might not be loved BUT it introduced my fav character and transformation, gogeta in ssj4, will forever be grateful of GT for that one.
I always told myself GT was based off a different time zone in a different alternative universe which would explain the slight difference in the characters and their clothing 🤷♂️
You can apply all of these points to dragon ball super
And Dragon Ball/Z 💀
Not really.
It is canon for one.
Two, lots of other characters get to shine. Master Roshi got episodes dedicated to him, future trunks go a whole arc, 17 was a very important character, and even Yamacha got a filler episode, it’s not much but honesty it’s the most he’s gotten in so, so long.
As for the animation, while sometimes it can be bad, during important fights it can look absolutely stunning, and that’s not even mentioning the movies. Whereas I can’t rember a single thing about any of the GT fights
@@samueloak1600dragon ball z was awesome..the buu saga was kinda wack though
By far, Dragon Ball Super has been on the top notch same as the Dragon Ball Z.
How can you include Dragon Ball Super with the GT which is a crap in itself making Goku a child and at the end Goku accepts being a child permanently
@@rockstarji21well these days the cannon of super is also very questionable according to the writer themselves
Nah seeing SS4 for the first time was insane. I was mind blown as a kid
Good things about GT: SSJ4 Goku/Vegeta, SSJ4 Gogeta
Bad things about GT: Not canon, Goku becomes a kid, Goten and Trunks are still SSJ1, Goten and Trunks don’t fuse into Gotenks
Toriyama was involved in GT. He even did the character model for the famous mustached Vegeta. To my knowledge he was not a part of the story, also one of the reasons I think GT feel flat was there was no manga that it was based off of. I just always get a laugh when people say toriyama was not involved. Because he definitely was. I know GT is the black sheep but I have my love for it.
People often don’t like definitive endings. FYI: just like DBS it later did get a Manga.
It’s really funny when you cut out the basic first arc plot hole involving the black star balls
(the og nameless namekian doesn’t exist anymore and the current variant isn’t even a dragon clan member, so they shouldn’t in anyway be active.)
the series followed closer to the DB & DBZ’s plot formula then DBS really the biggest difference between the OG series and Gt is just being significantly shorter.
1.) A new audience stand-in for GT it was Pan for Z it was Gohan.
2.) A new danger that involves a new set of Dragon balls
3.) Something happens to Goku.
Etc..
Not having a manga saved it from having filler. When folks say it was rushed that's only because they're used to filler episodes that do nothing for the story.
Toriyama aalso said that GT is canon. It is an alternate timeline. I wish people would stop this false narrative of it not being canon and toriyama not being involved
What is funny is that Toriyama is heavily involved in Super and Super's story has the least cohesion out of any DB anime with the fewest stakes.
@@richardsejour7731 from what I’ve read, he’s not really that involved his greatest involvement mainly giving them story arc outlines.
The rest he delegates to his apprentice and the studios. which ultimately makes sense when you consider he’s 68 years old and the end result being entirely in-cohesive and heavily overly focused on cheap merchandising.
Pros: Dan Dan Kokoro Hikareteku
Cons: Vegeta’s best power-up is a fucking satellite TV van.
In character vegeta would have never accepted such a bogus power up
u miss Ssj4 for pros
i mean vegeta had to since he was fighting to protect his family and earth plus his character had already changed at the end of z@@sirnetflix7162
Bro really chose opening song over SS4 for pros
@@sirnetflix7162not really, him accepting that power actually showed a lot of growth from Vegeta. In the past as a prideful Saiyan he wouldn't have but as he grew older, wiser, and specially stopped having that chip on his shoulder he began valuing everyone else over his own pride. It's what made Vegeta proposing fusion against omega shenron who he knew would lowdiff both of them.
Even that last scene where everyone believed Goku had died, he cursed his own powerlessness and sadness that another world he considered his home was about to be destroyed.
All valid criticisms but Super is trash. The show is entirely dependent on reaction shots from also sidelined characters telling you how powerful other characters are. "They're breaking the fabric of space and time in half" "We need to create a special dimension where they can fight unrestrained" "I've never felt this level of power before" WAAAAACK.
I can understand why GT is hated, but SSJ4 is by far the best part about it! If anything, SSJ4 needs to stay!
Dragon ball GT had an amazing story, it gave a actual consequence to using the dragon balls, and even added an enemy that vegeta caused to come back for revenge. And to top it all off it actually ended with a somber yet hope filled note, it’s very underrated in my opinion.
Stop it right there with those rose tinted glasses. No no no, GT didn't have an amazing story. It had half of a good story and a third of a well executed one.
Yes, Baby was awesome, so is SSJ4 for many people that aren't me (I just can't with red fur but I digress), and the concept behind the shadow dragons was really neat to close out the series.
But that's only a fraction of GT, that show is also the black star dragon balls which were created and then fumbled around with for about 11 of the worst episodes in DB history, only to be shoved aside in favor of Baby. It's also the Super 17 mini arc with its completely broken mechanics and a fight where Goku was legit dumber than DBS Goku with all the non-sense ki spam. And as much as the shadow dragons were cool in concept, 4 of them were total time wasters and the final one was trying desperately to match 17 in terms of non-sense.
So no, while GT has many good things about it, an amazing story certainly isn't one of them when you take all 60+ episodes into account.
I think what you mean is dragon ball gt had some good sagas, cause the general plotline is all over the place
@omega7057 GT first atc would've been soooo much better if Trunks goku and goten went to space. They wasted pan's potential and then gave a sidekick and SIDEKICK.
@@markopusic8258already sounding way better than Supers plotline
I love GT as well...
The whole concept of goku becoming a kid again was always my main problem
Exactly. You can tell this dude just read some articles and forums after the fact and wasn't actually around when GT was happening. First and foremost everyone hated Goku turning back into a kid. That was one of the main reasons people passed on watching it. And another big thing that wasn't mentioned was everyone hated Pan's personality. She was universally considered annoying AF.
While i liked how they expaded the dragonball universe, their was no reason to turn goku into a kid again. Ironic that pilaf in super asked shenron to make him younger, and turned him into a child lol. Nice little nod to gt.
@@theeternalslayer: There was a reason, which admittedly partly included an initial plan to go back to OG basics. Even ignoring that though, Goku had just gotten too strong, and coming up with new ever escalating villains to fight him was just getting ridiculous.
It's hard to take anything seriously when the characters can wipe out whole solar systems by flicking their pinkie.
Turning Goku back into a child was ostensibly also a choice to scale things back a more relatable level.
Didn't mind if it was for a few sagas but the whole show.. it was to much
Yeah, that was stupid asf
Weirdly I think it's mostly because toriyama didn't directed it even tho it seems mostly because people forget important details like the fact the dragon balls can't affect the shadow dragon balls because they SDB are too powerful and it would have created more shadow dragons
I always see people talking about how everybody else hates GT, yet I never actually see anybody hating on it.
Akira Toriyama was involved in the production of GT. It just wasnt first hand. He was the one who gave the idea of Goku turning back into a kid. He was basically a producer, but not the writer.
And he's doing it again for Daima, turning Goku (and the others) into a kid.
GT has that late 90s feel i love that about it
I’m not even gonna I agree
They hate gt for not being canon but will instantly pic ssj4 in a vs game. 😒
Well to be honest sidelining the other characters much for 60 episodes isn’t so bad when most of dbz is revolved around the side characters since goku is mostly seen with the Kai’s in other world and bare in mind that’s about 290 or so episodes if you’re watching Z. He only comes back during conflict. So it sorta evens itself out. What I think me and most other fans wanna see is either a new season to super with a more polished storyline or at least a proper saga with trunks and goten that would be so dope.
This is such a good point, Goku is barely in Dragon Ball Z, it was refreshing to then have him take the focus for the ending of the overall story.
I watched it when i was young and i truly enjoyed it. I later watched it over after if grew up and I still enjoyed the show.
Facts GT made sense to me
I think the first arc was a bit boring when I rewarched it. But Super 17 and on it was a blast.
Goku being shunk was stupid though
@@tristan7844 yeah I lke GT and definitely agree. Same with leaving Goten and Gohan behind. If GT made Gohan, Trunks, Goten and Pan the mains it would have been epic. The next generation picking up a galactic journey to turn them into real warriors where Goku and Vegeta cant just save them.
SSJ4 should be the most powerful form they have. Saiyans at their core are battle hungry apes, and ssj4 is the embodiment of that. It brings them back to their roots and I love that so much. Toriyama needs to bring this back, make it even better, then have each from of ssj build on top of this. That would be much better than the rainbow transformations we're getting today.
You think space monke should be more powerful than actual Divinity? I love ssj4 but as a concept, divine forms deserve their spot as their most powerful form, their designs just suck.
But ssj4 design is not good,why they getting tails and fur
I agree but they lost that whole path with the God stuff. It's just silly imo. Ssj4 had a cooler path where you found power in your roots, not turning into a God
Also goku was way serious and ready to use his power in ssj4 compared to any other transformation
@@rishadaltair3029agreed design is goofy af.
@@phoebusapollo8365 Because logically ssj4 makes way more sense to the actual saiyan biology than god powers. IF ANYTHING, this could be a great segway to their own form of divinity. But DBS completely abandons the very foundation that DB and DBZ set up. Almost everything we know about saiyans, their biology, their nature, who they are as warriors and how they obtain strength, means absolutely nothing in Super.
Everyone chill until they hear: "No one can beat me when I'm super 17!" 💀
If ur a true dragon ball fan gt if the ending didnt make u cry ur not a true fan until we meet again broke me 😢
Gt is my favorite season I loved the music the villains & the transformations
Ss4 goku was a great idea
They could have given Vegeta a different transformation design
Still better than most super arcs
No its not
Its comparing shit to shitter shit
Which is GT
It really isn’t. They more or less have the exact same problems, people just pretend GT is better because of SSJ4 and that’s it.
@@Lord_SimpwalkerOr Super because it's "canon"
@@samueloak1600 exactly. They’re both trash.
@@Lord_Simpwalker people pretend to like super cause theyre following the crowd
Don’t care. SS4 is the best looking and most natural evolution of the Saiyen race. Plus, SS4 Gogeta was awesome to behold
GT had the best transformations
I watched GT when it first aired and loved it. And the character designs were a good progression considering the amount of time that passed between GT and DBZ.
GT gave us SSJ4, which is easily better than any of the new “forms.” Also, Baby had a really cool, memorable look.
Lmfao ok
Some good designs dont make a good show. No character developmemt all side characters forgotten with only goku in the spotlight. Uub gohan vegeta pan were barely given attention.
SS4 was the only good thing Abt GT....really grasping for straws
When compared side by side gt quality be slacking. We do appreciate them giving us super sayain 4 but that’s all they really did
I hate it because my favorite character PICCOLO is not being focused. And also PICCOLO dies without no reason. What a shit.
Gt had some of the best characters or transformations.
Just SS4
Best characters? All of them became irrelevant and garbage and you call it best? Wut?
It had one good transformation in my opinion, Ssj4. Golden Great Ape was alright, Baby's forms were cool, but I only found the final one to be memorable. Omega Shenron was barely a transformation. As for characters, most are just not interesting to me, like Giru, Valese, Mutchy, Para Brothers, Rilldo, and more.
@@IamAgent4578better than super
@@philbertcewl1189 keep telling ur self that _💀_
Don't forget no senzu beans, hyperbolic time chamber, or Namekians. And we don't know what happened to Bora or Uppa.
bora and uppa appear in GT. you just proved you didn't watched it
Yeah, because those two had so much screen time in Z.
What's sad is there is some websites that push videos and false information on saying that GT is canon and Super is not. People are also saying that SSJ3 as a child and SSJ4 are both stronger than Ultra Instinct and God form. Piccolo even hinted at the multiverse in the Super Hero movie. The hair difference is cause the children are half Saiyans.
because 99% of it is repurposed plot lines "Its like this in DB/Z but _slightly_ different". the one thing I could give credit for is the dark dragon arc, it was an interesting premise with negative energy and the overuse of the dragon balls as a plot device within the story. the rest is just regurgitated bullshit covered in obnoxious red monkey fur.
Many people forget. Toriama intended to end dragon ball on planet namic. The death of Friza and the transformation of Goku into a super saiyan. Was supposed to be the end.
I thought it was Cell saga? They said it was originally done directly as the Cell saga ends, but it continued because of how successful it was.
People who hate it because of it not being canon then they just hating. Who cares if it’s canon or not. All the marvel and Dc stories aren’t canon. Yeah gt got some ups and downs like any anime we love but don’t claim that as the reason and then people put love into ssj4 which would be dumb. I like ssj4 but I’m not a real heavy fan of it like I don’t really care for ssjg and blue but hey their canon so yeah. But none of these really a issue besides DRing
Thank you for explaining how family members look alike 😂
😂😂
At least GT put more thought into the Super Saiyan 4 designs and didn't turn Goku into him a moron
I loved GT
I feel like goku wasn't in the spotlight, it was actually the villains since they got even more screentime, wether it be just their followers or them themselves, then goku and then the side plot character
Ironically the opposite of that is the complain in super it's a Goku and Vegeta Show
@@krazyauditor Even Goku and Vegeta are butchered in personality
@@humanman9920 how so?
@@krazyauditor yeah I can see it
You forgot GT stands for Goku time
I disagree, Kakarot wasn't the main character. To me, Trunks, Pan, Bulla, Goten, Gohan, Vegeta and everybody else make GT with/without Kakarot would be good enough to watch
Gotta love how when people compare animation in dragonball z they show a feature length animated film that was made with a huge team of animators that work on it for years and its compared to a episode of an anime that is animated in around a week and has a significantly smaller team
THANK YOU! About time someone pointed out that BS comparison. Heck, anime is known for often having limited budgets and time constraints, so comparing a movie to a show in terms of animation is stupid.
The worst thing about GT is that it's just boring as all hell. Say what you will about super, but it rarely if ever bores you in the same way GT did/does
Bro, Super literally takes stuff from dbz and db and just makes it worse
Even if the writing pisses you off you’re still not bored of what you’re seeing. GT had like 4 major arcs and the only things people remember are Super Saiyan 4, the Shadow Dragons, and Baby. Even when going over the story of GT people forget that General Rildo and Super 17 were even main villains with their own respective arcs
@@MikatheVoidStar and gt takes things og dragon ball and makes it worse it's pretty clear they were trying to make it more like the original group dyamic of kid goku, balma and yamacha but replace bulma and yamacha with trunks and pan
both super and GT have there high points can we please stop with comparing them it really depends on preference which u think is better
I imagine the boring is because gt actually took some time to show goku and them doing things that didnt involve fighting all the damn time
@gabrielchastain6091 I mean, it kinda did though? Every arc past the beginning of black-star dragon ball arc was pretty fight centric and were just fluffing out the run time by having characters like pan stand around for a few minutes to monolog
I loved GT. treated it as a spin off. Loved the transformations and the story lines.
It would've had some much more if it was canon & taken seriously
Toei doesn't 100% care about canon. I personally think GT takes place in an alternate timeline where the Z movies occur.
Toriyama said in an interview that gt was an alternate universe. That's why it's not cannon
I like GT.
Got the DVD for christmas. Did not watch it back then as in my country they showed it out of order and stuff so i stopped.
Which means zero nostalgia for this show.
I often like the art style but sometimes it looks generic.
I like how they treat characters BUT they do not show them enough. Which means I like character development but I do not see enough of it.
While I agree the animation isn't as consistent you can't compare a TV anime to an Anime movie for quality
THANK YOU! About time someone pointed out that BS comparison. Heck, anime is known for often having limited budgets and time constraints, so comparing a movie to a show in terms of animation is stupid.