Haha, me too! I was a little older but it must have been 1987. He probably showed it to anybody who had any interest. Over the years I sometimes would wonder if it ever flew.
Torsional shafts with engine power pulses, and prop aerodynamics is a very tricky vibration and stress feat. How you make the shaft, support it, interaction of engine, airframe, prop is a complex vibratory harmonics analysis.
@ThreeBrothersTrucking my Dad flew out of Livermore, and his hangar was on the other side of the field. He was a member of Flying Particles' flying club.
@ThreeBrothersTrucking my Dad had an Cessna 182M. Later on, he picked up his QAI ticket after Dave Dent retired from working on airplanes. He built up a big clientele before he retired three years ago.
@ I forgot all about Dave. If I remember correct he had a nice 310! Good times. I rented some space for another 210 from him for a couple of months. I miss that place.
Buy it and tour air shows as static display. I consider it part of aviation history and have often wondered what had become of it. Maybe we'll see you at the Roswell Air Races.
They had a theory for why their special prop would work. Probably wouldn't work, tbh, the special prop would have uses if it could push air supersonic and still be a "prop". Supposedly started basically from scratch in 1999, dunno if this is that or before one. Dunno how the heck a prostock v8 would've made enough power to push it supersonic even if the prop could, magically, work in a supersonic airstream. Its not enough power by a factor of like 10. Edit: you could prove the prop working or not on ground and make a bunch of money selling it for use instead of turbines. If it worked.
Run from that Mach Buster. If it was free I’d leave it in my rear view mirror. It will just collect dust in a hangar until it ends up in a landfill. It was always nothing more than an art project. Nobody was ever going to actually try to fly it, but it was probably fun telling people that you would and selling T shirts😂
The Military tried a supersonic prop place nicked named the thunder screech at idle the tips of the props broke the sound barrier with each rotation causing people to get sick causing headaches and even concussions. Only 2 test pilots ever tried to fly it with one saying he would never even get near it again
I’d happily take home and rebuild that AN-2 before I’d go near that nightmare of a lawn dart. And that’s even if I had to put new fabric on the wings all by myself. The Mach Buster almost looks like someone saw a badly out of focus photo of an F-104 and decided to build their own even though they couldn’t get their hands on a jet engine. I’ve a couple of hours in the AN-2 and it’s actually a very good airplane. Not a fast one, just a good one. We flew it from Orange County to Las Vegas in ‘96 by staying parallel to the highway. Looking out the left side and watching 18 wheelers pass us was a bit of a hit to the ego to be honest. 😄
Would be really awesome if you could try to restore the Machbuster to really good condition. Best would be if it would be in taxi-able condition, but it would be hard to get all of the engine parts running well. But just please, if you get it, do not turn it into a car :D!
I remember seeing a small photo of that in HOTROD magazine around 89-90 - don't think it was painted just raw aluminium -rember thinking the magic prop looked like an extractor fan !
Probably 20-25 years ago I saw one of these on ebay. May have been the 2nd model? Me and my dad were close to bidding on it but I doubt we would have ever gotten close to the selling price
I didn't think there any stinson left .we all know the story of the flight of the stinson .here in Australia it was even made into a movie staring Jack Thompson a great Australian actor
I’d put the motor back in the mock Buster put some instruments in it and fly it fact you could race it and win a bunch of races with it And make money with it
When that aircraft was being built in Livermore, CA (LVK), he was three doors down from me at my hanger and I got to see a lot of this. He was an interesting and rude individual. He never wanted anybody to have a close-up look. However, this particular aircraft was never going to fly. It was just a fake money grab to get people to invest and they did and he took in a lot and ran. You can tell by looking at the aircraft, especially the canopy that is not designed for supersonic flight and never was. What you do have is a fancy pretend airplane and then you have to look at the theoretical physics of the propeller design that he was pushing. Any aeronautical engineer will tell you that that propeller won’t work. Good luck to you on your decisions
Well i won't take it that far, there's a picture of the aircraft completely built. As far as the supersonic claims goes, i don't know about that, I'll have to hear a sonic boom first.
@@lcfflc3887they decided to not do a flight test. Then the next folks (re)built their version and decided to not fly it(i think its a separate frame entirely) I think some physicists explained to them how it wouldn't work, or they ground tested the push to not be enough from the prop. If they truly had such an innovation that worked for the prop design it would be a breakthrough with other applications in turbines etc
I commend people who save unique aircraft. However how about instead of starting 30 projects, focus on one or two at a time. Clean that hangar up, organize it, catalog it and sale off items you'll never get to and put that money into some of the other cool projects. I couldn't imagine how long it will take before some of these planes and projects see the light of day. I hope that is what's going on in this video. If you can't afford to do it, heck I'm sure there's some aviation schools that have kids interested in Aviation, organize with these schools and sponsors to have field trips to hangars like this to clean organize, catalog, preserve some of the parts and these planes until someone can get to them. Maybe even have the school instructors come out and see what's in these hangars and use these aircraft to teach actual maintenance on some of the aircraft. Heck, loan the schools some of the parts for the students to rebuild while learning fabrication, structural repairs and rebuilding on components to learn the skills. Just my two cents worth. Thanks for sharing. Best Prayers & Blessings. Keith Noneya
Does he have a crew to help him restore aircraft he says he wants to restore? Sadly he doesn’t look like he is in shape to do it. Is anything in his collection can be restored?
@@mikercflyer7383 I know he has one good friend just down the road to help him with various things. Didn’t look at the 152 too closely, but perhaps it along with the Stinson. I really think the SeaBee looks like a fun one to go after, but it would be a huge undertaking, even though it appears he does have everything.
@@rolandtamaccio3285 Not even close. The Buick has a rounded out lifter valley sealing surface beneath the intake manifold, the Old's is flat and wide. PLUS, the reason I say it's an aluminum Buick 215 is that you can see that it is not painted and not rusting. And iron block Olds V-8 would have shed its paint and look VERY rusty from where it was sitting outside for so long (even covered). There is more rust on the headers of the Buick and there is nothing on the block. Guaranteed it is in fact a Buick 215 cubic in aluminum V-8. It found its way in to several automotive applications including the Rover Sedan (1967 P5). My Dad had one. LOL
@dagger4146 ,,, what was the Olds , with turbo , and anti detonate additive . Yes Rover bought all the tooling and ran as their aluminum ¥-8 for decades .
I don’t think a prop driven has ever broken the sound barrier. Recall someone did a program on why it was impossible. Something about airflows, rotational speed, flutter, cavitation or some such. I think the propeller tears itself apart before it gets to Mach, no matter how it is shaped. Maybe if it was partially shrouded? But would you want to be the test pilot on something like that? I know I wouldn’t.
Its just doing a shockwave not producing push if its in an airstream going supersonic. It would need slowing down of the air(put it in a duct, larger than inlet) to work and require enormous amounts of horsepower you really can't do in the space without turbines easily. Like 15 000 and up hp without the losses in gearbox and the prop. The record is 0.7 mach or so for a prop plane and that modified into air racing ww2 plane has reportedly 4500 hp.
Imagine using modern composites and metals like carbon fiber and titanium. That plane would easily weigh half as much today. Now also Imagine putting a turboprop engine behind the seat instead of a piston engine. The lack of power pulses from a piston engine would make creating a shaft drive much easier. A proper propeller could be designed and machined usind today's Computational fluid dynamics and 5 axis CNC machines.
@@Blaircraft.Engines Other than sign collectors or happening upon a small town where one closed and the sign is still around, I couldn't tell you where. E-bay seems to have a few for sale but looking on the net, there were a bunch of variations.
Horders. God Love them but it would give me nervous anxiety having all that STUFF. I am enough of a but pack rat as it is. That reminds me I need to clean house and shop of all extraneous stuff. Problem is I have a lot of hobbies, tools, parts I NEED! Ha ha.
Everything that guy has was either wrecked or he’s wrecked it. Thoroughly. I wouldn’t buy anything from him personally. Too bad. Because he’s got what used to be some interesting and valuable items
another treasure trove of aviation parts and aircraft, gone to scrap because some old man can't see reality, that he just can't possibly do anything with all that stuff, and his need to hold onto it is just ensuring it rots into the ground.
Interesting plane…but no Mach buster. It doesn’t follow the area rule, has a stationary stab, and not nearly the power required. Might go supersonic in a dive, but it would have no control if it did…death trap.
You probably mean “piston engined” and that would more recently be the P-51 “Voodoo.” I’m assuming “propeller” driven would be the TU-95 and its variants.
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Getting old is rubbish but I love the fact that you can see this guys real passion. He’s so proud of his family. Love that!
You think 60 is old, try 80 like me. The facts are only 3% of men make it to 80. That means you have a 97% chance of dying first.
It looks like he has never thrown anything away. Ever. The blessing and curse of having a lot of space.
Pretty much right on. It wasn’t easy buying the spinners and signs! 😬😁
@Blaircraft.Engines Potential idea: Add wind fences to the propeller tips to stop air from sliding off the propeller tips. Like on the mig 15 wings.
Definitely get the Mach Buster! Even if it never flies again, it is an aviation marvel showcase. It needs to be saved.
Again? I don't believe it has EVER flown. Just a pipe dream.
And plected
What a great adventure! You should definitely get it! What could possibly go wrong?!
I feel like you of all people would know😊
I like to hear stories like the mach buster We can learn from them even when they're not a success
Saw this airplane in person at his hanger in Livermore when I was a teenager. It was an impressive sight. Recognized it right away on your channel.
Awesome 😎
That is where I saw it when I was 17. He was always looking for $$
Haha, me too! I was a little older but it must have been 1987. He probably showed it to anybody who had any interest. Over the years I sometimes would wonder if it ever flew.
Torsional shafts with engine power pulses, and prop aerodynamics is a very tricky vibration and stress feat. How you make the shaft, support it, interaction of engine, airframe, prop is a complex vibratory harmonics analysis.
Would be great to restore it for a museum. It’s amazing to see someone turn their ideas into reality, successful or not.
That’s cool I’m a kiwi in New Zealand and remember seeing this at Oshkosh my first time just turned 60 so was a couple of days ago.
That’s awesome 😎
Lots of good things have come from the country around Udall, KS. I know because I've bought plenty over the years.
Man that is a blast from the past for sure! Thanks for sharing…
Holy Crap, I remember getting tour of this plane at Livermore Municipal airport back in 1987 when it was still bare in metal.
We must have been there at the same time. My hangar was not far from his on the south side.
@ThreeBrothersTrucking my Dad flew out of Livermore, and his hangar was on the other side of the field. He was a member of Flying Particles' flying club.
@ we had our T210 there. I got my ticket from Ahart Aviation. I worked at Tri Valley flight service and CA Engine Service on the field in high school.
@ThreeBrothersTrucking my Dad had an Cessna 182M. Later on, he picked up his QAI ticket after Dave Dent retired from working on airplanes. He built up a big clientele before he retired three years ago.
@ I forgot all about Dave. If I remember correct he had a nice 310! Good times. I rented some space for another 210 from him for a couple of months. I miss that place.
Buy it and tour air shows as static display. I consider it part of aviation history and have often wondered what had become of it. Maybe we'll see you at the Roswell Air Races.
Popular Mechanics - 'The Enquirer' of project oriented magazines. :)
Metris van....I have one too and love it!
The Mighty Metris just hit 200k a couple days ago!
I am not sure about the Mach Buster. But the Antonov AN-2 is incredibly beautiful!
I would seriously question whether Machbuster could actually go supersonic, but nonetheless, it is super cool and needs to be saved and restored !
They had a theory for why their special prop would work.
Probably wouldn't work, tbh, the special prop would have uses if it could push air supersonic and still be a "prop".
Supposedly started basically from scratch in 1999, dunno if this is that or before one.
Dunno how the heck a prostock v8 would've made enough power to push it supersonic even if the prop could, magically, work in a supersonic airstream. Its not enough power by a factor of like 10.
Edit: you could prove the prop working or not on ground and make a bunch of money selling it for use instead of turbines. If it worked.
Stinson dash 1 and 2 was made by Stinson. The dash 3 was made by Piper after they bought them out. The tail was bigger and I think metal on the dash 3
Get Super fast Mat and yall go racing.
Run from that Mach Buster. If it was free I’d leave it in my rear view mirror. It will just collect dust in a hangar until it ends up in a landfill. It was always nothing more than an art project. Nobody was ever going to actually try to fly it, but it was probably fun telling people that you would and selling T shirts😂
I remember the guy at Livermore airport. His hanger was by ours. He was always looking for investors.
It would make an excellent boat.
The Military tried a supersonic prop place nicked named the thunder screech at idle the tips of the props broke the sound barrier with each rotation causing people to get sick causing headaches and even concussions. Only 2 test pilots ever tried to fly it with one saying he would never even get near it again
I’d happily take home and rebuild that AN-2 before I’d go near that nightmare of a lawn dart. And that’s even if I had to put new fabric on the wings all by myself. The Mach Buster almost looks like someone saw a badly out of focus photo of an F-104 and decided to build their own even though they couldn’t get their hands on a jet engine.
I’ve a couple of hours in the AN-2 and it’s actually a very good airplane. Not a fast one, just a good one. We flew it from Orange County to Las Vegas in ‘96 by staying parallel to the highway. Looking out the left side and watching 18 wheelers pass us was a bit of a hit to the ego to be honest. 😄
@@daniel_f4050 Yes I agree the AN-2 would be great… maybe I’ll pick up at some point. 😁
Very Nice Informative Video 👍👍👌😇You are a very busy man Sir, do let other folks deal with it 🙏🙏😇Cheers 🍻
That's a pretty cool story! Great content and the Mach Buster Hat in the thumbnail is awesome!
@@DSmith-nb6fm Thanks! It’s one of Ron’s hats from the airshow about 30 years ago. Talk about “new old stock” 😎😆
When you look in the nose gear compartment,..
There is vice grip pliers holding somthing together.
In middle of upper gear brackets
Would be really awesome if you could try to restore the Machbuster to really good condition. Best would be if it would be in taxi-able condition, but it would be hard to get all of the engine parts running well. But just please, if you get it, do not turn it into a car :D!
Engineering is Fun...but only if it gets and keeps you flying.
That would make a nice land speed vehicle
Agreed
Look up David Rose, he built a newer version of the Mach Buster
The design reminds me of the F104.
That bike looks like it might be a Yamaha RD 350. They were two stroke bikes, and really fast for a 350.
Nope, it's a DT 175
Soviet Yak 3 had forward fuse tubing 40x2 mil. Rest was Wood. Tube structure is good way to go in one desing.
What did you buy and how much?
I remember seeing a small photo of that in HOTROD magazine around 89-90 - don't think it was painted just raw aluminium -rember thinking the magic prop looked like an extractor fan !
Great video
@@williamr1914 Thanks!
Probably 20-25 years ago I saw one of these on ebay. May have been the 2nd model? Me and my dad were close to bidding on it but I doubt we would have ever gotten close to the selling price
I didn't think there any stinson left .we all know the story of the flight of the stinson .here in Australia it was even made into a movie staring Jack Thompson a great Australian actor
Let me know if you think I should bring it back? What would be the best use of it??
Thanks in advance!
machbuster is unique, has as much a place in history...and hanging from roof beams...as any number of other things out there...
I’d put the motor back in the mock Buster put some instruments in it and fly it fact you could race it and win a bunch of races with it And make money with it
Get the mock buster restore it
Looks like your average GA maintenance hangar lol
Motorcycle looks like an early to mid 80's Yamaha DT 175.
Did it actually ever get to mach 1?
When that aircraft was being built in Livermore, CA (LVK), he was three doors down from me at my hanger and I got to see a lot of this. He was an interesting and rude individual. He never wanted anybody to have a close-up look. However, this particular aircraft was never going to fly. It was just a fake money grab to get people to invest and they did and he took in a lot and ran. You can tell by looking at the aircraft, especially the canopy that is not designed for supersonic flight and never was. What you do have is a fancy pretend airplane and then you have to look at the theoretical physics of the propeller design that he was pushing. Any aeronautical engineer will tell you that that propeller won’t work. Good luck to you on your decisions
This like Tim Holts in shreveport was
Aluminum olds
Wonder if dyna mount prop?
buy it
Moon in the background looks familiar.
Well, it seems it was never finished, never flew and therefore was never a "Supersonic plane".
Well i won't take it that far, there's a picture of the aircraft completely built. As far as the supersonic claims goes, i don't know about that, I'll have to hear a sonic boom first.
@@lcfflc3887they decided to not do a flight test. Then the next folks (re)built their version and decided to not fly it(i think its a separate frame entirely)
I think some physicists explained to them how it wouldn't work, or they ground tested the push to not be enough from the prop.
If they truly had such an innovation that worked for the prop design it would be a breakthrough with other applications in turbines etc
I commend people who save unique aircraft. However how about instead of starting 30 projects, focus on one or two at a time. Clean that hangar up, organize it, catalog it and sale off items you'll never get to and put that money into some of the other cool projects. I couldn't imagine how long it will take before some of these planes and projects see the light of day. I hope that is what's going on in this video. If you can't afford to do it, heck I'm sure there's some aviation schools that have kids interested in Aviation, organize with these schools and sponsors to have field trips to hangars like this to clean organize, catalog, preserve some of the parts and these planes until someone can get to them. Maybe even have the school instructors come out and see what's in these hangars and use these aircraft to teach actual maintenance on some of the aircraft. Heck, loan the schools some of the parts for the students to rebuild while learning fabrication, structural repairs and rebuilding on components to learn the skills. Just my two cents worth. Thanks for sharing. Best Prayers & Blessings. Keith Noneya
Does he have a crew to help him restore aircraft he says he wants to restore? Sadly he doesn’t look like he is in shape to do it. Is anything in his collection can be restored?
@@mikercflyer7383 I know he has one good friend just down the road to help him with various things.
Didn’t look at the 152 too closely, but perhaps it along with the Stinson. I really think the SeaBee looks like a fun one to go after, but it would be a huge undertaking, even though it appears he does have everything.
You had me at "wheel pants".
May all of your hearts grace the skies.
Best regards to all,
Lucas
That's a mid 60's Buick 215 Aluminum V-8. Not Olds. They were used in some home builds.
Good to know… Thanks!
I think both the Olds and the Buick were the same , but not 100 percent sure ,,, ?
@@rolandtamaccio3285 Not even close. The Buick has a rounded out lifter valley sealing surface beneath the intake manifold, the Old's is flat and wide. PLUS, the reason I say it's an aluminum Buick 215 is that you can see that it is not painted and not rusting. And iron block Olds V-8 would have shed its paint and look VERY rusty from where it was sitting outside for so long (even covered). There is more rust on the headers of the Buick and there is nothing on the block. Guaranteed it is in fact a Buick 215 cubic in aluminum V-8. It found its way in to several automotive applications including the Rover Sedan (1967 P5). My Dad had one. LOL
@dagger4146 ,,, what was the Olds , with turbo , and anti detonate additive . Yes Rover bought all the tooling and ran as their aluminum ¥-8 for decades .
I don’t think a prop driven has ever broken the sound barrier. Recall someone did a program on why it was impossible. Something about airflows, rotational speed, flutter, cavitation or some such. I think the propeller tears itself apart before it gets to Mach, no matter how it is shaped. Maybe if it was partially shrouded? But would you want to be the test pilot on something like that? I know I wouldn’t.
Its just doing a shockwave not producing push if its in an airstream going supersonic. It would need slowing down of the air(put it in a duct, larger than inlet) to work and require enormous amounts of horsepower you really can't do in the space without turbines easily.
Like 15 000 and up hp without the losses in gearbox and the prop.
The record is 0.7 mach or so for a prop plane and that modified into air racing ww2 plane has reportedly 4500 hp.
Bike looks like a Yamaha 360 enduro
Are they worth much??
@@Blaircraft.Engines How much is much ? A fully restored one may fetch about 7-8K. A basket case maybe a few hundred bucks. Yamaha made a ton of them.
Imagine if it was completed with a modern, all aluminum, v8 making over 1,000 hp.
Rexal pharmacy on the sign
The orange and blue sign is "Rexall drugs" signage.
That is were you end up with Aviation hobby if you live long enough. I´m gonna have a fev more planes for my self thou.
Museum
That propeller might not have enough thrust to get it in the air.
Imagine using modern composites and metals like carbon fiber and titanium. That plane would easily weigh half as much today. Now also Imagine putting a turboprop engine behind the seat instead of a piston engine. The lack of power pulses from a piston engine would make creating a shaft drive much easier. A proper propeller could be designed and machined usind today's Computational fluid dynamics and 5 axis CNC machines.
Rex-all Drugs, store sign.
@@5695q I’d like to find a good example to reproduce the missing sections. Any idea where?
@@Blaircraft.Engines Other than sign collectors or happening upon a small town where one closed and the sign is still around, I couldn't tell you where. E-bay seems to have a few for sale but looking on the net, there were a bunch of variations.
108, 108-1 & 108-2 small tail
108-3 large tail
@@wareairaviationservicesllc4933 So this one is the -2 small tail?
@@Blaircraft.Engines Yes, that is a -2.
Horders. God Love them but it would give me nervous anxiety having all that STUFF. I am enough of a but pack rat as it is. That reminds me I need to clean house and shop of all extraneous stuff. Problem is I have a lot of hobbies, tools, parts I NEED! Ha ha.
no of this will ever get restored just not enough time in the day
Never went Mach, and never will, with a prop
Stinson Station wagon or Voyager?
I’m guessing voyager
Please, Montagne (French for mountain) is pronounced; Mon - Tang - yuh.
Get the mock buster, restore it, and take it to the air shows
Everything that guy has was either wrecked or he’s wrecked it. Thoroughly. I wouldn’t buy anything from him personally. Too bad. Because he’s got what used to be some interesting and valuable items
Looks like he’s ran out of time to restore.
What?
The Bach Muster…?
Yep ,,, you should get it . Y'all went through too much not to . And then fly it . Put a jet engine on it and make it live up to it's name.
another treasure trove of aviation parts and aircraft, gone to scrap because some old man can't see reality, that he just can't possibly do anything with all that stuff, and his need to hold onto it is just ensuring it rots into the ground.
Sorry to say but this isn't the first supersonic prop plane... that belongs to the XF-84H Thunderscreech...
Interesting plane…but no Mach buster. It doesn’t follow the area rule, has a stationary stab, and not nearly the power required. Might go supersonic in a dive, but it would have no control if it did…death trap.
Wouldn't it be cool to have it's aerodynamics modeled in a modern simulation software?
might as well jump...whose ringtone is that...hes a skyjumper...
As far as I know the Grumman F8F Bearcat still holds the propeller speed record...
You probably mean “piston engined” and that would more recently be the P-51 “Voodoo.” I’m assuming “propeller” driven would be the TU-95 and its variants.
Personally I think you could probably find something better to waste money on.
Walk away
This is just sad. He's a collector. Can't get rid of anything, so it sits and collects dust.
Just use turbine engines this time
Actually the first supersonic prop aircraft were Spitfires during high speed dives. Killed a few pilots as the shock wave reversed the tail controls.
Clickbait. Not supersonic.
Buy the mach buster for at least display.
Sorry to say but this isn't the first supersonic prop plane... that belongs to the XF-84H Thunderscreech...