How am I Supposed to Fix This?! (Extreme Gun Restoration attempt)
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This wreckage is supposed to be a WW2-era M3 Grease Gun SMG, and is in desperate condition after spending decades buried underground. Is there still something to be saved?
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I won't.
@@737Garrus And you get fewer upvotes because bots don't touch it.
No thx
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I would but my pc runs like a potato battery 😭
To quote the esteemed gun wizard Mark Novak: "A gun is only new once." That was a loooong time ago for this M3. A museum wall is a dignified ending. Thanks for showing us the process in preserving what was left of this gun.
No amount of magic smoke will bring back this particular gun to be anywhere near safely firing condition. Still turned out better than I expected. Great video as always
@@agistan7764 A new receiver and it'd probably work with the rest of the parts. However I suppose that would defeat the point.
@@mikethemaniac1 Yeah, that starts going into Gun of Theseus territory at that point.
This actually gives a good insight on how much work is needed to recover museums artifacts to viewing conditions. I feel like we have the idea that some brushing and it will be enough to understand a certain found, society or conflict.
Gun: *Pieces crumbling off*
Backyard Ballistics: "I can fix her."
BB: 'We have the technology... And the knowledge, skills, time, patience, magic liquids 😳, firm-yet-gentle application of force in *exactly* the right places, and possibly some downright-spooky witchcraft 👻🧙♀️👻 too...
-Now hold my beer, and come back in 3 weeks... 😉👍"
Why do you make comments like this?
@@therogers4432what do you mean by “hold my beer and come back in 3 weeks”? Why tf would you be holding my beer and bringing it back to me in 3 weeks?
@@cliff9887 have you watched the video at all....?
You are one of the few restoration channels I trust, and love
Same dude i trust him the most
@@dustyak79 thank you!
@@dustyak79 screws and tools often uses overly aggressive techniques.
@@IPostSwords True but he doesn’t appear to have the schooling and resources available like backyard Ballistics appears to have . I mean museums , police , collectors seem give Backyard pieces to work on. Screws shops around on his own dime and probably has a totally unrelated day job. I just appreciate that he’s not buying a Luger and painting on or destroying something that was ok just for content. He also gets pieces other people welded broke or modified into abominations that he brings back to life with the resources he has at hand.
@dustyak79 not really a good excuse tbh. If he wanted information on appropriate conservation methods and ethics, it's available through the vast body of published research articles and books.
Needing to buy them with his own money also doesn't justify doing subpar work. Do you know what the appropriate course of action is if you have an artefact you lack the skills, knowledge or equipment to conserve? either acquire them, or have someone do the work who has them.
My first thought was "This is why people say these videos are fake." and the first thing he did was prove it's real. GG lad.
I grew up in Luxembourg and I have seen tons of recovered guns. Guns that were dug up, guns found in barns, in drawers, attics, basements, pretty much anywhere you can imagine. We filled museums with them and 2 of my Garands and my Stg were well preserved barn/attic finds. From what I have seen, 99% of all the restoration vids are fake. Never seen guns that look like their stuff. The guns you show us however are spot on. I thoroughly enjoy all your work, fantastic channel, keep up the good work!
oh daat ass cool! :) vun wou basst du?
@@biglaughhahalëtzebuerg mengen ech?
sadly im from a city where i cant find this sort of cool stuff
Man, that's so cool! I really wanna find an old gun one day...
My dad once found and old m57 in a steel box, it was literally built into a drywall... It had a bit of surface rust but it was not in that bad of a condition. He took it apart, cleaned it a bit, and greased it. He never shot it but everything seemed to work fine.
He still keeps it in the same box, on a shelf in his workshop...
@@danijelovskikanal7017 try fishing for one with a strong magnet off a bridge over a river in or near a city.
It's very possible you have a field modified M3 right there, a significant amount of them of M3s (before the introduction of the M3A1) were field modified to different extents. Most notably a cutaway in the upper receiver and the installation a more traditional charging handle. it is also possible that the plates were lost during disassembly and replaced with the spring.
Pretty sure I've seen a video where they put a D battery behind the bolt and it increased the fire rate. It could be a STEN tho that I've seen that with
@@derekofalltrades5494 You're thinking of Swedish K/Carl Gustaf M/45 with the D battery. Dunno if it works on a M3 or STEN.
@@frantisekhajek8 I see. I remember Brandon Herrera doing something with
@@derekofalltrades5494 I saw it in a Admistrative Results's video on a Swedish K with Garand Thumb.
@@frantisekhajek8 that may be what I was thinking of! Thanks bruv
I've heard something about these, the unusual spring in the back was used by soldiers to increase the rate of fire and was almost always added by the user.
A similar thing was done with sten guns.
Thanks for the info. Do you also know if there was a reason for getting rid of the plates, or was that just an accident?
@@Backyard.Ballistics the plates are a accident
same goes with the carl gustav m/45, a spring and a battery doubled the fire rate
lightening springs in a blowback gun would only marginally increase the cyclic rate before the bolt beats the weapon to pieces. polishing/lightening the bolt is really the only effective way to simply increase the rate of fire without causing excess wear or adding moving parts.
@@stevenunyabidness tell that to united states' finest of 1943
Sometimes things are beyond full repair. What you did is very commendable and admirable. Firearms are, after all, pieces of human history. Even as a museum piece what you did is extremely important.
how is this important for what kind of museum in which kind of reality?
it's history@@Drannelang
You got a little gun in your rust mate
I’m amazed this was salvageable for ANY purpose. Turned out to be a pretty visually interesting piece in the end. Bravo!
Thank you very much!
you scared me so much dry-firing it, not because "hur durr bad" but rather because the metal is so weak, i almost expected the bolt to just come flying out the front because it broke off the entire barrel assembly lmao
That honestly worried me a bit, but then I realized it would have been good footage either way🤣
@@Backyard.Ballistics it'd be a poetic send-off. breaking while doing what it was designed to do, slamming bolts forward
The extra spring in the rear was added in the armory to increase the rate of fire. This just limited how far back the bolt could recoil which helped a little with felt recoil impulse, but increased the rate of fire quite a bit. Some people added rubber pads, and some used a 1.5 inch diameter spring cuttoff :)
And what about the missing plates? Was there a reason to remove them, or is it more likely that it happened by accident?
@@Backyard.Ballistics I do not see a reason to remove the guide plate at all. The two plate pins act as anti rotation pins for the bolt face as it rides on the guide rods, so I imagine that it would just cause a lot of feeding issues, and ejection issues as the bolt torques to the side during recoil.
Everything I know about historical weapons comes from reenacting as a British commando, and as a Fallschirmjager, as well as my time serving in the Marine corps (2,2, 0481 FSSG, Lejeune). So I am not a definite historical expert, but instead I just know what some of the infantry troops did back in the day through stories and using the weapon platforms. :)
@@Backyard.Ballistics My best guess after doing some more research is that the front plate snap ring most likely popped off during firing, and the plate was lost during reassembly. (Apparently this is common, but it has never happened to me)
I see this is really common on museum pieces, so it may be seen as a critical component, and may need to be removed to fully "deactivate" the firearm for display, but I am unsure.
As for the rear plate, I am sure that it was just not reinstalled for some accidental reason.
@@Backyard.Ballistics good please to start try getting in contact with figurson of UK arms
This grease gun reminds me of a Lewis Gun a local dealer had displayed in his shop decades ago. It had been lost during a training exercise along the US coast in WWII. Years later someone spotted the remains in the sand. Only the front half of the gun was left and it was a complete mess. It eventually ended up in his shop as a ghostly reminder of WWII.
Got a little poetic there at the end
Absolutely amazing work. How you even got the bolt out let alone made it operate is quite frankly a miracle. Great work.
Glad you liked it!
"daddy what happened to that old M3 receiver"
"well, we took it out far into a special place on an Italian farm where old M3 receivers live in happiness"
*Meanwhile, at the M3 taxidermy lab...*
Turning a KFC drum stick into a grilled peice of chicken
That extra spring is a field added element. I can never remember where exactly the GI's sourced the spring, or how they figured it out, but it had the effect of boosting fire rate. Edit: I cannot believe how much progress you made on that. Once it became clear how damaged the receivers were I thought that bolt mechanism was done for, not for a wizard like you!
Impressive work! The fact that it even moves again is quite an achievement, let alone the trigger mechanism functioning.
“Something is missing.” About 70% of the metal that should make up the gun. 😂
Was that found at the bottom of the ocean?
I appreciate you actually explaining what you are doing and why you are doing it, even some legit restoration videos leave me scratching my head as to wtf is actually going on
This rusty piece of junk could still land you in prison in Hungary. My friend once dug up a WW2 PPSh submachine gun in an even worse state. He was reported to the police by some "good citizen", and he was paid a visit by SWAT. The court case dragged on for years, as the prosecutor did everything to convince the court that it was a fully operational automatic weapon, and the police brought in a so-called "forensic expert" who claimed the same. It took my friend a lot of money to find another gun expert to say the opposite, and call the court's attention to the fact that 80% of the "gun" was completely missing. For this reason he wasn't convicted for illegal possession of a firearm, but only a part of a firearm.
I am very impressed. In the beggining I was sure the whole thing will just fall to pieces if cleaned and in the end you have a working trigger and bolt assembly. Just incredible, thank you very much for the video
i think the missing part is the safety/ejection port cover
Yes, it's the dust cover. Now that the receiver is full of holes its absence won't really matter🤣
The US Marine Corps used the M3A1 well into the 1980's for armor crews. Excellent channel and video. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I love that you not only say we can trust you're really working on a rusted piece but show us how you test to prove it was really rusted and not just faked.
Thank you for making this content. I know you must have gone "Why am I even doing this?!?" on this lump of mostly-just-iron-oxide while struggling to get even simple things done. I still enjoy watching though, and hearing your train of though on the different challenges is a big part of the overall entertainment. Hope you wont shy away from having a go at "gonners" in the future.
I have to say I have gone through the "Why am I even doing this?!?" multiple times. Overall it took me over 2 weeks to get it back in "shape".
Awesome restoration. Always enjoy watching these to relax at the end of the day. Keep it up.
One of the best restoration channels. I hate those ones where it’s just some lame elevator music in the background while the restoration process is happening at 10x speed. I like that you give commentary and show the process in real time instead of sped up.
Wow, love your skills and determination. That rust removal is incredible 👏
I imagine the history that came with that gun. What stories would it tell. I just found your channel today with this video and I’m already a fan.
Fascinating video. Just amazing that you were able to do anything with this pile of rust. Thanks for explaining the steps you used.
Said it the last time I watched one of your videos, and I’m saying it again. “I used to watch all of these restoration videos, and be enamored with just how talented some those people were at erasing years of neglect. Then I happened on your video where you detailed exactly what to look for in those that proved the persons posting restoration vids were completely fictitious. I was so disappointed, but extraordinarily grateful as well. I still am. Yours is the only restoration channel I still watch”
Poor thing looked like it had been stored in a well. Good job making anything useful from the bones. Your usual thoughtful, well executed work.
Idk, I feel like bein submerged in a well woulda been kinder than this hahah
The fact that this could even be somewhat restored is insane! Great job!❤
I have found that the slowest, messiest, and definitely the smelliest method of removing rust is the most effective ! I use a solution of approximately 1 to 20 molasses in water. It may take repeated applications for a month or so, but I have found the results to be amazing. Great video, as always !
Your so right, so many channels fake these restoration videos. i just found ur channel. Much respect to ur work. i like how you go into detail with the products & process used. This was ridiculous
EDTA is very good for this application. I use it on antique swords to good effect. You can also form a hydrogel with it for applications where submersion isnt an option - I gel mine with Agar.
With very bulk corrosion like seen here, its appropriate to begin with mechanical methods - microblading, micro air abrasion, etc.
Xanthan gum is also dirt cheap and has an absolutely absurd swelling capacity. The down side is that it is rather slow to swell in old liquids, but if it is something you use fairly often just making a jug of the stuff and leave it for 72 hours, to get full thickness, is not really a problem.
@andersjjensen doesn't really stick, set and peel quite like agar, xanthum gum forms more of a poultice than a gel in my experience
You mentioned your second channel, and I was able to finally find it on your Channels main page, but you might think about linking it in the description of your videos! Other than that, though, another fascinating restoration!
Your Restoration Videos are the Best. Your Narration is informativie and to the point.
I enjoy restoration videos, but only ones like yours - not the ones with only "scrubbing" sounds.
Thank you, world of tanks, for creating a chemical solution that could help refurbish this gun
3:46 Indeed, I bought _5L_ for only twice what you paid for 1.
And it's reusable!
Obviously you lose some over time due to wipe-off and evaporation, but it should last you quite a while.
Optionally coffee-filter out any floating junk after use, and store it in a sealed container, ideally separate from the fresh stuff.
I now have a 1.5L Coca Cola bottle full of used product, and several sizes of fully sealable IKEA food containers (I think 1L, 2L and 4L), so I can limit the amount of (new) product needed depending on how big the rusted objects are, and to have them soaking fully submerged and sealed.
Also, best to store it somewhere dark.
One last note: the European formulation is somewhat weaker than the North American version, due to stricter regulations in the EU. But the acting mechanism is still chelation.
Info gained straight form a chemist at the EU Evapo-Rust office.
Follow-up based on what you mention later on:
1. The comparatively weaker European formulation (again, due to stricter EU regulations) is the reason why it seems to work slower than you would have expected from hearing about it from _North American_ sources (e.g. Adam Savage, Handtool Rescue, etc).
The EU version simply needs to soak longer (up to several days) for the same effect.
(This unexpected slower function was the reason that I called their EU headquarters in the first place, as I feared that I may have gotten scammed by the seller, and I wanted some reassurance/clarification)
2. I didn't know that it could only absorb about 60g of rust per liter, but the instructions (or the chemist, I don't quite remember) did say to always brush off as much loose rust and debris as possible before submerging it in the product, to both speed up the de-rusting process, and make the product last longer.
Thank you for sharing your experience, I really appreciate that. Do you have any insider information about evaporust or similar products?
I suspect the reason why they had to lower the performance of the EU product compared to the US one is not because otherwise it wound't be allowed, but because then they'd have to state more clearly what's in it.
@@Backyard.Ballistics You're welcome!
I really don't have any further knowledge or any special insider information, only what I've already shared above.
And I also don't have any experience with other products to compare, sorry. :/
If you have certain questions, perhaps try calling their EU HQ, like I did (the number is on the bottle).
The way this looks, you'd think this is evidence they had automatic firearms back in the bronze age.
love watching these, especially knowing they're genuine
Love the videos man. I've seen so many absolutely obviously fake restoration channels and the viewers and algorithm eat them up. Its nice to see that people like you care about delivering real restoration content.
You are a miracle worker Carlo! Such a pleasure to watch you figure out how to make this thing into something more than just trash. Watching you take it apart to really reminded me why they called it a grease gun. It looks exactly like one, especially with a stock off.
Really liked the video. It is amazing to see work done on a completlly lost cause. Would love to see more in future.
Sadly I'm quite used to lost causes 🤣
From "what even is this thing underneath?" to "click - it´s working".
Awesome work !
Best restoration channel for me, thank you for your work, skills and knowledge. Cheers! :)
its fitting that the gun is able to rest in a museum now. insane that you were even able to save any of it
It's appropriate that this is called a grease gun cause it looks like it was fried in it
A friend of mine likes to watch restoration videos and asked me the other day, “Didn’t you say most of these videos are fake?” I told him, “Yep, but if you want to watch the best restoration videos that are 100% real and explain how to do it, watch Backyard Ballistics! He’s awesome!”
Thank you man for never doing fake crap and for explaining everything you do in these!!! You’re amazing!!!
It's truly remarkable that you were able to restore ANY mobility to that gun, let alone restore the full movement of the action. Well done.
Love your videos. Cant believe you make things look so good
Unfortunately I know nothing about it...
@@Backyard.Ballistics reply to wrong person?
Appreciate your mention of fake rust. So many channels "aging" their "restorations" these days for clicks
It is fascinating to see first hand evidence of improvised pars being added like that spring. It's a really cool footnote to add to it when you do give it to a museum
Great job. Thanks for getting this wonderful piece of history back to at least display quality. I hope the museum that gets it appreciates the effort you put into it.
This was supposed be a cheap short term “throwaway” solution from almost 80 years ago in terrible condition. You did your best, well done nonetheless.
That was amazing! So much good stuff in this video. Can’t wait to learn about your parkerizing process. As for evaporust, I couldn’t live without it!
Considering how much of a wreck this thing was to begin with, you did a fantastic job.
Good to see an honest restoration channel. Half expected it to miraculously look brand new in the end. Really is amazing what you managed to do with it though. Great vid!
I’m honestly impressed How much of that gun still was semi serviceable
When I first went in the US ARMY M-60 Tank crews and combat engineers still used them in 84. I was on the new M-1 and we had 1911s and 1 M-16 in the turret.
Jeez. These are the youtube channels that need to be preserved. My man here isn't asking for subscribers or trying to entertain 9 year olds, he's educating us and doing a damn fine job of it. He's warning us of other channels that simply attempt to entertain, and he puts love into his work. Keep it up man!
So relaxing and informative, time well spent. Thank you.
I don't know a whole lot about firearms but I assume that the missing piece here is the dust cover that also functions as a safety mechanism.
Back there, safety was not a concern 😂
You are a young man with knowledge and skills far beyond your years and the painstaking effort you put into every video - especially this one - astonishes me. Please keep producing content. Your channel is awesome! Thank you for sharing what you do.
Yup... ^EXACTLY THIS^ 😁👍
Please keep on doing what you do so well Carlo 😊
"embarass myself once again with my metalworking skills"
Dude, considering everything, you're doing excellently!
Also, I have a deep personal understanding of self-deprecation, so i get it lol.
The fact you got it abstractly functional is the miracle here. Phenomenal!
I imagine this project burned a lot of "patience oil"
he literally has a stencil of a gun hows he restore that
Please make a coherent sentence
@@Neeb-tt9hn coherent sentence your mother
@@doorknob7420 resorting to insults now
@@Neeb-tt9hn
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Is it a very very VERY bad idea? Yes
Do I also want to see it fire off a single 9mm FMJ? Also yes
How you firing 9mm in a 45
@@Scrap_Goblin VERY carefully
@@nono-jj9rr😳😜🤣
Awesome video bro!! As ever so satisfying to watch and extremely interesting. Thank you
I love the fact that you decided to stabilize the gun so it can be put in a museum.
Another channel that does “restorations” would somehow have this running flawlessly by the end. How dare you not make fake content >:(
a super cheap but very slow way to remove rust is to use molasses mixed with water. it will damage cast iron if left too long, but is total benign for any kind of steel and works amazing
The fact you were able to get it back into at least MOVING function, is amazing in and of itself!!! And Parkerizing it too! Dude, awesome!
Love it. The only gun restorations channel worth its name!
This video is EXCEEDINGLY SATISFYING. I am not a restorer of firearms but I am a restorer of motorcycles and rusted sheet metal, stamped metal, and metal tubing can be difficult to overcome. ELEMENTAL MAKER has created the best DIY SOLUTION, as you have discovered. Minor correction, in that Tetrasodium EDTA was used in his video BUT your use of Disodiium EDTA is also FANTASTIC. Something that restorers MUST UNDERSTAND is that all common acids will REMOVE GOOD METAL -- and that is supremely bad in restoration projects. EDTA and its commercial variant Evapo-Rust are a type of chemicals called CHELATORS that I have little understanding of. Thank you for bringing Chelation to the forefront of restoration work and helping bring these chemicals to light as accessible and affordable to RESTORATION ENTHUSIASTS!
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Excellent restoration! Bravo, sir!
These were manufactured in my hometown of Anderson, Indiana by Guide Lamp. My grandmother worked there during WWII
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all these videos are fake.. the rust is colored on LOL
Source: trust me bro
prove it brev
Seeing a new backyard ballistics video, it’s the always kept promise of having a great evening!
What you do is so amazing !! Incredible skills !!!!
Your videos are amazing and a lovely treat every time I see them, thank you.
Dude, I know it wasn't the prettiest but holy crap you actually restored some function to it! It doesn't even break when the bolt slams against the back of the barrel either! That's actually so cool! You did amazing! Whatever this restoration cost the client, they definitely got their moneys worth!
I was expecting the gun to dissolve completely except the barrel, bolt and wirestock ... you did an amazing job saving what could be saved ...
I am so looking forward to your video of home made rust removal recipes on your second channel!
For the curious, that second channel is called Beyond Ballistics.
Setting the restoration bar again my man. You're awesome.
Awesome and informative as always! Thank you sir
This is great! Love these video's and the attention to detail.
Love this resto. I feel like if you had a wooden block inside the handle and another to represent a magazine it be such a beautiful display piece.
Santi numi, che blocco di ruggine! Complimenti per il lavoro, vederlo muovere alla fine è impressionante.
I thought at first you were restoring this to a working model lol, but with all said and done, I'm totally impressed, good job!
You have some real determination man, i would have give up really soon in the process. Also,putting it in a museum is an admirable act, great work !
very impressive work, keep up the excellent content!!
First time viewer, subscribed. Excellent video, I especially liked how you explained the rust removal process and the comparison of different rust removers. Other highlights include the Drill Press / Lathe combo, gas welding, coiling your own spring, your excellent enunciation and intriguing accent, and the bonus facts about dish soap. Your range and depth of knowledge in different topics is admirable, what sort of professional background do you have? I'm not sure if you're a chemist, firearms instructor, welder, engineer, or all of the above, but you seem to have learned a lot.
I have a mechanical engineering degree, and I work in firearms related forensics. I've been a firearms instructor but I rarely have the time to do it nowadays. I'm definitely not a welder 🤣(apparently studying welding at university doesn't automatically turn you into a welder 😜)
Honestly after the conditions of the gun. My jaw dropped that you could even cycle it. Well done!
I commend your dedication. Looking at the artifact I probably would have just either cut it in half to be an exploded view of the weapon, or removed the bolt and barrel to have those on display next to historical a picture of the gun. Amazing work.
Such an amazing job. The fact that you could move ANYTHING in there is a miracle