Most definitely, also could you try running the Ryzen 7 5700g with 32gigz of 4000mhz Cl 16 ram? Am supper curious abt it seeing how performance scales from 2400mhz to 3200mhz and from 8gigz to 16gigz so am curious how much it would scale up at 32gigz and 4000mhz cl16
yeah great video and very cool comparisons. Hopefully more of this content is coming soon :) An improvement would be a final slight with the comparing tables/diagrams of Watts and FPS or maybe even a combined graph with FPS/Watts.
What I'm interested in seeing on a continuation of this theme is the effect of pc case fans like the really cheap ones vs something decent and midrange (i.e. Arctic P12 fans) vs higher end fans (i.e. Noctua fans)
Definitively do more of this stuff. This is helpful not only for those who pays a lot for electricity, but for us that live in hotter climates and didn't have the luxury of air-conditioning to keep our stuff from overheating.
Most people and reviewers don't usually focus on power consumption but it is quite important to many people. For me it's not really about the cost of it but mostly to do with the amount of heat im pumping into my room. I use Radeon Chill quite often actually in many games to cap the framerate on my 6800 xt and undervolt. The level of tweaking I've been able to do with this card for the past 9 months has been quite impressive.
For me is also about the cost. I see too many times old cpus on sale for very cheap, they work, but they consume the same power of a modern cpu, while having 10% of the performance at best. So pay 10 dollars for a cpu that barely runs chrome, and then pay 50 dollars a year just to run it. When i was looking for parts my aim wasn't best raw performance, but best performance/power ratio and cost/availability. Very power efficient CPUs are only for laptops... and i really wish there was a version for desktops
More power efficiency videos. Not only it will bring better temps at almost similar performance but will also increase the lifespan of the pc components (in theory) since they use lower voltage. Less power, less ewaste, less heat. It's great
With energy prices up over 300% (where I live) since this video was released, I would really like to see more of these videos. Since just about everything is getting more expensive, your combo of undervolting and getting used parts is a really compelling way forward.
Finally I have a video to send people about undervolting, instead of giving explanations every time that on Auto mobos/cpus/gpus/ram overvolt and consume more Watts uselessly because they are sold/bought separately and it's difficult to tune them in-factory to be stable outside in the world. Less power consumed pointlessly, less heat, less fan-spin, less fan noise and more fan lifespan. Only benefits. /I'm aware there are other videos out there, but this one has quality editing, short and on point.
I've been undervolting for years now. Aside from the power savings, the reduction in heat and noise is very nice. It can turn a bad, loud cooler into a silent one, as it did with the RX 580 Red Dragon that got me into it in the first place.
I have a 6600XT and it's impressed me so far. Done undervolting with previous RX cards and it helps a lots with temps in summer. The benchmarks show peak but I'm sure the figures with vsync must be even better.
This is a video I've been waiting for, for quite a while. Not just from you but really anyone. Graphics Cards have become so power hungry over the years but nobody has really commented on it. Yeah the performance is good, but now it consumes an extra hundred watts? Its something I think we need to talk about more as PC gamers and be more cognizant of. I live in an area with fairly cheap power here in the US but I still like to do my part on reducing my power usage, both for my bills and to help out my fellow man/planet.
I agree in principle although for gaming specifically, unless you're playing for long periods of time everyday it isn't that big a difference, because it's just an extra 100W for 1-3 hours most of the time, not to suggest that GPUs shouldn't be more power efficient but more concerning is stuff like efficient water heating, better insulated fridge/house, reducing usage of A/C or heat, less wasteful washer/dryer and switching to LED bulbs, tackling the big consumers will have a far greater impact.
@@supersop1367 The more power you use, the more power that needs produced, which means more fuel used and CO2 created. That's simplified a bit, but more or less the gist of it.
Great video and glad to see you covering this aspect of tuning. I undervolt everything now and I find it more fun than overclocking the last few years. Zen 2/3 you can typically run the same negative offsets, generically you can run -.05mV on the CPU and -.025mV on the SOC without losing performance (actually typically stabilizes PBO overclocks in some cases though if you want to get crazy you can get them to a super low power draw without giving up much performance. I ran my 3700X @ 1.0 mV core and it only pulled around 40-50 watts max load (which put it somewhere around 3600Mhz all core in terms of performance). I'm finding I'm not able to get as much out of Ampere compared to RDNA2 in terms of efficiency, but it still can be a great way to reduce noise and heat (particularly useful if you're in a hot environment without efficient AC). Side note, I think if you had a 350-400 watt gold rated power supply you would have seen a bit better efficiency out of the power supply given where your system ended up after undervolting (you would have been closer to the peak of the curve).
Probably just a typo but I'm sure you are not running 1v/core as u state. The cpu will blow the moment u power the pc. Anyway i tend to oc the crap out of my parts as long the heat its not exceeding decent temps.
Great content here. One other thing that I've seen make a huge difference is frame-caps. Capping near the monitor's refresh or exactly double. If you are going to compare with a laptop, you will need to look at monitor power consumption too. High refresh screens tend to equal more power consumption.
I locked my RX6600XT at max 50W and 1300RPM, now it’s quiet and the gaming performance is still comparable. I’ll check out your settings, since undervolting on my own seemed a bit to tideous/risky for me.
One thing is that 80+ psus have a built in margin to ensure they make the certification so its probably the case that the corsair is doing better then certification minimum rather then the Silverstone is under performing. Sometimes it is as simple as the components used just happened to be cheaper and more efficient after a couple of revisions.
Undervolt plus capping my frames reduce my overall power consumption in a country where electric bill is expensive I capped it to 60fps since I have a 60HZ monitor also you will benefit from a smooth framepacing even on shooter games I capped it to 60 (apex). Edit: for GPU undervolt use msi afterburner and for cpu either intel XTU or THROTTLESTOP
Now this is a series I'll be looking forward to. Basically making a rig and instead of overclocking it, you tune it for max perf/W. I feel this is the ultimate test of silicon performance and am very curious as to how Intel vs AMD cpus will perform. Intel will obviously smash AMD at idle, but under load will be interesting. Also Nvidia vs AMD for gpus. This is of course under the assumption that you get good performance out of it in the first place.
I was looking for something like this. I want to go traveling on an RV or camper but without losing that gaming experience. Its great to see the power savings so that I don't have worry too much about the battery bank draining as fast
I'm really impressed with even the stock numbers being that low, but some tuning you'd have no problem running that 6600XT in some older OEM systems without a PSU upgrade. I wouldn't have expected that.
I can confirm this is a terrible idea. The 6600 XT will not work with even an 80 Plus Gold 400W psu. It must have micro power spikes above 400w. Once I installed drivers, it could not boot with my 400w psu.
@@Phambleton Any half decent power supply should be rated for it's continuous wattage rating, too bad there are a lot of less reputable units out there that are rated for their peak rating. Any decent PSU is built to go past it's rated wattage to deal with momentary spikes like that. Hardware suddenly spiking in power consumption is nothing new.
I think the higher efficiency of the Gold-rated PSUs grows with higher power consumption of PCs. Could you try to compare perhaps a 80+ standard vs 80+ Gold in like 500+W system consumption? If you have a 6900XT or some RTX 3080/3090, then push the PSU and see if you can find an efficiency difference...
if you game for 3 hours a day, you're gonna save between 22 and 44 Aussie dollars a year doing it this way(if you usually need airconditioning its even more, because you're creating less heat along the way). after a good 5 years of use, thats a nice little upgrade for your next pc.
This type of builds and concepts are amazing. Been watching your vids for years now, almost 8, the type you make are much diferent than the regular commercial bs and much more interesting, a real hustler.
In regards to your final test. The 450w also has the advantage that the 219w draw is almost bang on its 50% output which is usually the sweet spot for efficiency
When Linus Tech Tips did a video where they went above and beyond undervolting every part in a computer, it inspired me from there on out too look more into undervolting my components. Cause I realized there was far more benefit to undervolting the hardware these days than there was in overclocking. Plus it really helped to curb the issue of my computer being a space heater when gaming. I really wish there were more comprehensive guides and videos on the topic of PC undervolting and undeclocking, cause I think that knowledge and notion has just been sorely neglected.
Power supply is very important. I like working with gold or platinum because the +12v amperage is usually greater than I usually need in a build. Particularly, single rail type.
I definitely love this idea. ❤️ I run a RTX 2060 and a i3 10400, titanium plus PSU, and I'll be looking to do this to my PC. I care about the environment too and another Plus is to get a quieter PC for when I do video recordings. I'm going to look for more of your videos on this topic because I usually mess things up in the bios and I got to make sure I do it right. 🤣
Nice video! In my opinion is the sweetspot is typically to undervolt and overclock a little bit at the same time. This gives you free performance at the same temperature level as stock. Also instead of buying the low wattage intel CPUs you can just get the regular version and reduce the multiplier and voltage yourself. This is often cheaper and leaves you with headroom for the future, should you decide that you need more power.
Just watched this again. Love it. I also took a look at my power draw - a system I built this summer. 10600k (stock) with a used gtx 1060 6gb stock. I idol down at 28w and I got fortnite running around 80-90w. Part of this is that I frame cap and I use performance -lowish- settings. I haven't undervulted anything yet, and I'm on a 600w - gold (My old system idols around 80w!). Also, after about 5 minutes idol it starts to use about 55w - some kind of "system" operation.
Excellent video, love to see this focus on power efficiency, since I have been running similar setups for over 10 years as Gateway / NAS / media boxes, i.e. in conjunction with a capable AP. Especially since I have PV for my home. Btw, you could try adding as many drives to the system as possible and do a new video on the topic if you ever feel like it. Maybe compare it to existing out-of-the-box NAS-es 😄👍
I like the idea of low power consumption when I’m not gaming. MG&E here in Wisconsin, USA is a monopolistic electric company that charges WAY too much every month.
@@WayStedYou keep in mind our general household income and disposable income is a fair bit higher than the average US household. Still... bloody price gouging power company jerks...
the thing about the efficiency is: modern hardware and old games go hand in hand. the more power you have and the less demand the game has, the more you save on power. i have some games from 2010, that push my gtx 1080 only up to 25% means the card runs on 80 watts. running cyberpunk on the other hand, keeps it a 177watt and 100% usage and doesnt reach 60 fps. meaning, the best pc for current games, would be a 19400 non k, paired with a rtx8050ti. because that would run at 40% usage to reach 144fps in modern games. so bascially a system from the future. and i know you cant compare it but still, what i see here: is what my modern or even this system in the video uses, compared to what my computer in 2002 used. and that played current games with age apropiat demand
I need a pc off grid in a campervan run by solar. I only have so much power each day to spend, usually 2000wh for all my needs after 6pm, cooking, lights etc. That's like 2-3 hours on a beefy gaming pc. Or like 10-15 hours on a highly effecient one. This is exactly what i need.
also quick but huge way to reduce power consumption in gaming is graphic settings and v-sync or fps cap. there are graphics features that you can turn off that aren't noticeable and will allow the graphics card to operate around 50% load. 18:16 it looks about right. a difference of 5% efficiency between PSUs at 200 watts is only 10 watts.
I just built a PC with i7 12700t (100 watt(. It's way more efficient than regular i7 12700(180 watt), though we lose 10% single core and 20% multicore performance. These "t" sku processors can only be obtained from an all in one PC.
Great video. Many ppl are so afraid when the word overclocking is mentioned. These days undervolting your GPU and CPU really just means better performance and longer lifespan.
Yay, it's bang/watt. If you want really low power and not spend much money, you can buy cheap Celeron 4 core mini PCs (best one with Celeron J4125) from aliexpress for like US$200 (incuding 8GB ram and 128GB eMMC/SSD). With the 600 IGP they can play 4k video and do basic gaming. And the whole package uses maybe 20W or so. If you need some more storage you can add an old laptop hdd (I've got several of those from laptop SSD upgrades). This video is really good for people who are off the grid or in a RV, well done. About the rating on power supplies, you tend to get the best efficiency at about half the max wattage, so a 550W supplie's half is 275W. The 450W supplies half 225W is just closer to the low wattage you use, which might explain the low difference between these two power supplies.
This is great. I've been looking into building a 12V PC for traveling in a camper and since all of my power will be coming from solar and the camper batteries, I'm trying to maximize power efficiency. Keeping it at 12V (no PSU or battery brick) already nets me a 13% improvement but using efficient hardware along with undervolting will really make it a real power sipper. Hopefully I can get it lower power than laptop. I dislike laptops because they aren't upgradable or easily repairable. Here's what I had in mind: Silverstone Milo 10 case (or LZMod DC-M1) 150W Pico PSU Gigabyte B450 Aorus Pro WiFi (I need WiFi while traveling) AMD Ryzen 2200G (be because I have one I'm not using) Samsung 970 Evo Plus M.2 NVME 1TB Patriot Viper Steel 3600MHz (1x16GB) RAM 15.6" LED USB-C monitor (not sure which) Any thoughts, tips, recommended power tuning software or related videos would be greatly appreciated.
@Ladioz but if you have high end PC then it needs more power and that means the parts are going to be hotter…in that case you need more fans or higher fan speeds to keep it cool
I think I just found my new favorite series. I a big fan of efficiency in all things and have been running a Antec platinum for around 9 years now. The power consumption on most modern hardware makes me cringe. I would like to know how these experiments would perform on AAA games (older and newer) rather then Esport ones.
It will be quite expensive, maybe individually you will think just the APU is expensive but after you finish your build-list and see the total you can be like: wtf just happened? And it is difficult to cool it quietly... I'm a big fan of undervolting, it's cheaper because every overclocking component costs more, less heat, less power used, less noise. I have an awesome AsRock DeskMini X300 and will have to get a small expensive Noctua cooler (but worth it, Noctua really diserves it's money) to be able to cool it properly without annoying noise.
@@linhza501 The motherboard default settings are quite aggressive, i ve got a 2600x and a x470 prime pro. The first time I booted and went into bios, the voltage was set to 1.375 and the cpu was supposed to reach 4.25ghz. I ve changed the voltage to 1.175 and cpu to 3.9ghz, turbo disabled. It runs very cool. For a few frames it ain't worth the high voltage and temperatures plus noise from the cooler
Very interesting numbers indeed. Looking forward for more tech yes low power lovin. It's difficult to come up with refreshing content during these times. You nailed it perfectly. Thank you.
My gaming pc is running off a 100ah battery offgrid, so until I upgrade my battery bank I have been very interested in power saving. Thanks for the video!
i would love to see another build like this with an all AMD build, ideally an 8 core cpu, and try a 6800xt undervolted ! see what wattage you get then, this is especially valuable for those of us the live on the road in campervans ect, great video and really informative, id like it if you could go into a bit more detail with the undervolting and what each setting does ect
Woah, you did the micro bends! It is celebratory because it's overwhelming to look at the socket. I use a camera to zoom in and see what's bent up when I do those repairs. Anyway, way. That right there, was a lucky find! 🙂👍 And the music in your video is on fleek.
WOW now this is a cool video actually. As a person who uses a PI4 for several things like retroarch and kodi in the livingroom over this reason alone this is a beast video man!
Thanks for doing a video about this. I'll have too see what I can use from the things you mentioned. But so far I only use a -0.144V offset on my Ryzen 5 2600 due to temperatures and as for my GPu, I don't think I can drop the voltage much (if at all possible) on a 1050ti. I'd love to get a watt meter at some point to check how many watts my pc is using (which can be really helpful considering electricity is expensive where I'm at), but for now the primary reason to undervolt for me are temps with ambient temps ranging from 30~34C all year round and it seems to be raising bit by bit over the years too. Sidenote, AFAIK that Corsair CV450 is rated as a 80+ Bronze. And I have one myself and its mentioned on the box, by retailers, and on Corsair's site.
The Gaming community needs to accept, that more environmental friendy gaming is important. This has to become a thing. No. A Hype. Especially with what NVIDIA RTX 4000 will pull from the wall.
i disable turbo boost on my i7 11700,now cpu is running on PL1 clock.base clock of 2.5ghz on all 16 threads more than enough for my gaming need,4 days straight stress test temp never exceed 48C @ 45w package on the cpu alone,this is on uhd750 enable,disable igpu,put 6600xt,cpu package drop to 18-32w @ 100% cpu usage..now cruisin between 100-160w overall while gaming xD super happy! atleast on my system disabling hyperthreading provide no further pwr saving, so i left all 16 threads on 24/7 with base clock, enough for my gaming need
I think we could find some interesting results. Whether its good to have a narrow (smaller number of cores boosting higher) or wide (larger number of cores boosting lower) at the same power level.
Off topic, but I wanted to point out that used tech is SUPER underrated. I've heard other channels dump on Brian's approach because it's the used price/performance stuff, but I can vouch for it. I've got a Xeon X5550/16gb ECC ram/GTX 560 TI 1GB/Chinese motherboard/SSD boot drive/hdd storage drive/used-but-tested off-brand 500W PSU PC and I've been streaming Halo MCC from it and editing videos on it for like a week. It's not great...hell, the stream quality is 720p30, but it's pretty smooth. I've had plenty of better hardware, but the old stuff just impresses me so much. It can't do things nearly as well as new hardware, but it can still get up and do it. You don't have to spend a lot of money to get into gaming and streaming. This rig is like just over $200 USD. Down with e-waste and down with overpriced new parts!
Have to correct you Bryan on the CV450. It is 80plus Bronze rated. And at around 190-195W (my estimation @217 on the wall) it should be at peak on its efficiency curve. But 8W at around 200W mark, is still 4% difference, which looks right on the money between the Bronze and Gold. The 550W silverstone should reach max efficiency at 225-250W. Most power suplies reach max efficiency at 35-45% of max spec load. But it varries. Some are overbuilt, which means that say a 600W rated PSU can be a 700W IRL. So that might peak at 300(ish)Watts instead of 250W. Some high end units has managed to work stable at least 100W+ over spec, with all measures within spec (rated conservatively). And the 12V spec is the wattage to use in the equation. Some (cheaper) 600W units, are not really higher power than good 500W units. Always look at 12V power ratings. The more power your PC use, the biggest saving between Bronze and Gold/Platinum. For this kind of PC in the video and well tuned to such low power, you could save money by using a Bronze rated PSU, and slightly(insignificant) more power. But if you has to sqeeze efficiency lemon, you must to go for Gold/Platinum/Titanium. Especially the Titanium, should uphold 90+% at just 10% load, meaning a few watts less @idle / low loads. At say 500W load power there can be a saving of up to 50W, going from a okay quality 600W Bronze- to a high-end 1000W Titanium PSU. Now that is a difference. (And the Titanium PSU will still run cold and more silent at that load).
honestly been looking for something like this for so long! thanks for making this :D planning to move into a van and run a rig of solar so this is very helpful
Your videos are awesome but I want to know : What advantage do I have to use an 8400T instead of an 8400 or an 4790S instead of 4790 while loosing some FPS?
I undervolted my 8100 down 150mv and it generally uses around 6v idle and 0.96v with full load. Undervolting is definitely worthwhile if you want to save a few bucks on your eleccy usage. I'm still trying to learn how to undervolt Nvidia gpus but I need to look into that more. Also, didn't know you could undervolt ram and still have a stable system
Great video, would love to see something similar with one of OEM Ryzen's for example 4650G. Also would be fun to see Quadro T600 or T1000 in place of that RX 6600 XT to see how much you can lower power consumption.
Ryzen is excellent in terms of power efficiency, as long as your PSU and motherboard support low current idle. If you don't, it tends to run warm and consume more power than Intel.
I really look forward for future videos like this - AMD vs Intel on CPU side on current and older models (FX - 2600k and going forward), AMD vs Nvidia on GPU side as well (current and older). And don't forget XEONs x58-79-99, heck, maybe even some memory comparison between brands (basically samsung VS the world) Amazing video!
I'm sorry Brian but if the video doesn't open with the supersonic cleaner cleaning super dusty components, I am very upset :D. Love your videos bro, great timing, was just having breakfast! Also good old umart :D
You have to love the new ETech Yes City. You have to also love the torn apart face Bryan will make when he will find *DUAL XEON X58 Motherboard* for free or dirty cheap :D
100 Watts less power in a tiny room is a lot i am telling you. With this global warming HERE we for sure need more efficient PCs. GPUs and CPUs should use a lot less power, look what performance phones can put down with couple Watts. And PC gamers are using +800 Watts to play in 4K, i think it can be way more efficient and be around 500 Watts.
its also good for the efficency to limit the fps to something resonable like 65fps on a 60hz monitor you use alot more power than you need for some easy to run games. minecraft at 400 fps isnt necesarry for example
this video alone earns a sub My gf just built a new PC, and her rx 6600 XT draws a third of the power of what my undervolted RX 6800 xt draws! Id love to see a video on ''hidden'' power usages, for example using old HDDs, extra fans, pumps, all that.
something thats missing here is everyday office or just streaming numbers. while gaming is the thing that will use up the most electricity, you have to account how much it takes on just watching youtube, as thats a good few hours of someone's day. as well as some people are willing to game offline to save even more power, what would the numbers be then compared to playing online? do you have the numbers for these? -watching videos downloaded on computer, no internet -watching youtube videos, internet -playing elden ring, no internet -playing elden ring co op, internet
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Thanks for the awesome feedback, looks like we will continue this as a new theme on the channel! Refreshing too to be doing something new!
A nice things that you touched. Mining is opening our mind :D
Most definitely, also could you try running the Ryzen 7 5700g with 32gigz of 4000mhz Cl 16 ram? Am supper curious abt it seeing how performance scales from 2400mhz to 3200mhz and from 8gigz to 16gigz so am curious how much it would scale up at 32gigz and 4000mhz cl16
yeah great video and very cool comparisons. Hopefully more of this content is coming soon :) An improvement would be a final slight with the comparing tables/diagrams of Watts and FPS or maybe even a combined graph with FPS/Watts.
What I'm interested in seeing on a continuation of this theme is the effect of pc case fans like the really cheap ones vs something decent and midrange (i.e. Arctic P12 fans) vs higher end fans (i.e. Noctua fans)
Try a mutant laptop cpu with a Nvidia gtx 1660 Super
Definitively do more of this stuff. This is helpful not only for those who pays a lot for electricity, but for us that live in hotter climates and didn't have the luxury of air-conditioning to keep our stuff from overheating.
And us who need slight heat 9 months per year lol
You dont need AC. A $40 Thermalright CPU cooler can easily handle 100w CPUs.
Most people and reviewers don't usually focus on power consumption but it is quite important to many people. For me it's not really about the cost of it but mostly to do with the amount of heat im pumping into my room. I use Radeon Chill quite often actually in many games to cap the framerate on my 6800 xt and undervolt. The level of tweaking I've been able to do with this card for the past 9 months has been quite impressive.
For me is also about the cost.
I see too many times old cpus on sale for very cheap, they work, but they consume the same power of a modern cpu, while having 10% of the performance at best. So pay 10 dollars for a cpu that barely runs chrome, and then pay 50 dollars a year just to run it.
When i was looking for parts my aim wasn't best raw performance, but best performance/power ratio and cost/availability.
Very power efficient CPUs are only for laptops... and i really wish there was a version for desktops
Saving the environment, saving us from overpriced consumer hardware. Is there anything YES MAN cannot do?
not only the environment, less power is less heat and less noise
@@arch1107 also cheaper as you don't need to spend as much money on a higher wattage psu or massive cpu cooler etc
@@TheOz1999 well, a massive cpu cooler is ideal to make it work more silent, not having much problem cooling can make the fan alot more silent
my i7 7700 non k , msi b250, 32gb vengeance, CM 650w 80 plus gold , rtx 3070 FE does the same.
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More power efficiency videos. Not only it will bring better temps at almost similar performance but will also increase the lifespan of the pc components (in theory) since they use lower voltage. Less power, less ewaste, less heat. It's great
With energy prices up over 300% (where I live) since this video was released, I would really like to see more of these videos. Since just about everything is getting more expensive, your combo of undervolting and getting used parts is a really compelling way forward.
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Finally I have a video to send people about undervolting, instead of giving explanations every time that on Auto mobos/cpus/gpus/ram overvolt and consume more Watts uselessly because they are sold/bought separately and it's difficult to tune them in-factory to be stable outside in the world. Less power consumed pointlessly, less heat, less fan-spin, less fan noise and more fan lifespan. Only benefits. /I'm aware there are other videos out there, but this one has quality editing, short and on point.
I've been undervolting for years now. Aside from the power savings, the reduction in heat and noise is very nice. It can turn a bad, loud cooler into a silent one, as it did with the RX 580 Red Dragon that got me into it in the first place.
Slap an Arctic accelero on there too and it'll really be cool and quiet
Should also help to improve life expectancy of your components, right?
I have a 6600XT and it's impressed me so far. Done undervolting with previous RX cards and it helps a lots with temps in summer. The benchmarks show peak but I'm sure the figures with vsync must be even better.
rivatuner or NVidia controllpanel/amd software is better than v-sync
This is a video I've been waiting for, for quite a while. Not just from you but really anyone. Graphics Cards have become so power hungry over the years but nobody has really commented on it. Yeah the performance is good, but now it consumes an extra hundred watts? Its something I think we need to talk about more as PC gamers and be more cognizant of. I live in an area with fairly cheap power here in the US but I still like to do my part on reducing my power usage, both for my bills and to help out my fellow man/planet.
I agree in principle although for gaming specifically, unless you're playing for long periods of time everyday it isn't that big a difference, because it's just an extra 100W for 1-3 hours most of the time, not to suggest that GPUs shouldn't be more power efficient but more concerning is stuff like efficient water heating, better insulated fridge/house, reducing usage of A/C or heat, less wasteful washer/dryer and switching to LED bulbs, tackling the big consumers will have a far greater impact.
Same.. but i would of rathered he use NEW CPU as well like 5600X or 3700X
How does power usage affect the environment? I’m curios not tryna sound rude
@@supersop1367 The more power you use, the more power that needs produced, which means more fuel used and CO2 created.
That's simplified a bit, but more or less the gist of it.
@@vgamesx1 thanks
That 6600xt is extremely efficient for the performance it achives. 80 watts for 5700xt performance
Oh yeah! Go buy then! ...where ever you may roam... :-/
@@dallesamllhals9161 He is just stating his opinion, no more or less. No need for salty behavior
@@dallesamllhals9161 What?
would a 75 watt no external power 6600xt be possible?
6800 has better power/fps ratio
Great video and glad to see you covering this aspect of tuning. I undervolt everything now and I find it more fun than overclocking the last few years. Zen 2/3 you can typically run the same negative offsets, generically you can run -.05mV on the CPU and -.025mV on the SOC without losing performance (actually typically stabilizes PBO overclocks in some cases though if you want to get crazy you can get them to a super low power draw without giving up much performance. I ran my 3700X @ 1.0 mV core and it only pulled around 40-50 watts max load (which put it somewhere around 3600Mhz all core in terms of performance). I'm finding I'm not able to get as much out of Ampere compared to RDNA2 in terms of efficiency, but it still can be a great way to reduce noise and heat (particularly useful if you're in a hot environment without efficient AC).
Side note, I think if you had a 350-400 watt gold rated power supply you would have seen a bit better efficiency out of the power supply given where your system ended up after undervolting (you would have been closer to the peak of the curve).
I really want to get more if those hp 235 watt platinums and see what I can do with them. But it's a lot of fun.
Probably just a typo but I'm sure you are not running 1v/core as u state. The cpu will blow the moment u power the pc.
Anyway i tend to oc the crap out of my parts as long the heat its not exceeding decent temps.
@@ionitaconstantin1052 definitely a typo. I've corrected - 1 mV in all its thousandth glory.
Great content here. One other thing that I've seen make a huge difference is frame-caps. Capping near the monitor's refresh or exactly double. If you are going to compare with a laptop, you will need to look at monitor power consumption too. High refresh screens tend to equal more power consumption.
I locked my RX6600XT at max 50W and 1300RPM, now it’s quiet and the gaming performance is still comparable.
I’ll check out your settings, since undervolting on my own seemed a bit to tideous/risky for me.
One thing is that 80+ psus have a built in margin to ensure they make the certification so its probably the case that the corsair is doing better then certification minimum rather then the Silverstone is under performing. Sometimes it is as simple as the components used just happened to be cheaper and more efficient after a couple of revisions.
Undervolt plus capping my frames reduce my overall power consumption in a country where electric bill is expensive
I capped it to 60fps since I have a 60HZ monitor also you will benefit from a smooth framepacing even on shooter games I capped it to 60 (apex).
Edit: for GPU undervolt use msi afterburner and for cpu either intel XTU or THROTTLESTOP
Ive got to say this channel is not the flashiest like linus and jayz's channels, but this the channel what we actually need!
Would love to see more places do performance per watt charts on parts like GPUs & CPUs, glad you're putting more focus on this! :)
Now this is a series I'll be looking forward to. Basically making a rig and instead of overclocking it, you tune it for max perf/W. I feel this is the ultimate test of silicon performance and am very curious as to how Intel vs AMD cpus will perform. Intel will obviously smash AMD at idle, but under load will be interesting. Also Nvidia vs AMD for gpus.
This is of course under the assumption that you get good performance out of it in the first place.
The 6500 XT would probably be the best card out there right now for performance/watt.
I was looking for something like this. I want to go traveling on an RV or camper but without losing that gaming experience. Its great to see the power savings so that I don't have worry too much about the battery bank draining as fast
me too, iIwas always assumed i would have replace my gaming pc with a laptop, im happy to know i can build a actual pc to take with me.
Even after all these years you find a way to up the quality of your content, mate. Love it!
This is a great idea for a video. I know I suggested it the comments section of one of your recent videos. Thank You !
I'm really impressed with even the stock numbers being that low, but some tuning you'd have no problem running that 6600XT in some older OEM systems without a PSU upgrade. I wouldn't have expected that.
I can confirm this is a terrible idea. The 6600 XT will not work with even an 80 Plus Gold 400W psu. It must have micro power spikes above 400w. Once I installed drivers, it could not boot with my 400w psu.
@@Phambleton Any half decent power supply should be rated for it's continuous wattage rating, too bad there are a lot of less reputable units out there that are rated for their peak rating. Any decent PSU is built to go past it's rated wattage to deal with momentary spikes like that. Hardware suddenly spiking in power consumption is nothing new.
I think the higher efficiency of the Gold-rated PSUs grows with higher power consumption of PCs. Could you try to compare perhaps a 80+ standard vs 80+ Gold in like 500+W system consumption? If you have a 6900XT or some RTX 3080/3090, then push the PSU and see if you can find an efficiency difference...
if you game for 3 hours a day, you're gonna save between 22 and 44 Aussie dollars a year doing it this way(if you usually need airconditioning its even more, because you're creating less heat along the way). after a good 5 years of use, thats a nice little upgrade for your next pc.
This type of builds and concepts are amazing. Been watching your vids for years now, almost 8, the type you make are much diferent than the regular commercial bs and much more interesting, a real hustler.
Great work! Was also doing some tuning to increase efficiency. Just great fpr the environment and the parts actually
In regards to your final test.
The 450w also has the advantage that the 219w draw is almost bang on its 50% output which is usually the sweet spot for efficiency
When Linus Tech Tips did a video where they went above and beyond undervolting every part in a computer, it inspired me from there on out too look more into undervolting my components. Cause I realized there was far more benefit to undervolting the hardware these days than there was in overclocking. Plus it really helped to curb the issue of my computer being a space heater when gaming.
I really wish there were more comprehensive guides and videos on the topic of PC undervolting and undeclocking, cause I think that knowledge and notion has just been sorely neglected.
Power supply is very important. I like working with gold or platinum because the +12v amperage is usually greater than I usually need in a build. Particularly, single rail type.
I definitely love this idea. ❤️ I run a RTX 2060 and a i3 10400, titanium plus PSU, and I'll be looking to do this to my PC. I care about the environment too and another Plus is to get a quieter PC for when I do video recordings. I'm going to look for more of your videos on this topic because I usually mess things up in the bios and I got to make sure I do it right. 🤣
with all gas and electric prices going up, this a great way of trying to save a few quid.
I still come back to this video from time to time. Amazing content!
Nice video! In my opinion is the sweetspot is typically to undervolt and overclock a little bit at the same time. This gives you free performance at the same temperature level as stock. Also instead of buying the low wattage intel CPUs you can just get the regular version and reduce the multiplier and voltage yourself. This is often cheaper and leaves you with headroom for the future, should you decide that you need more power.
Just watched this again. Love it. I also took a look at my power draw - a system I built this summer. 10600k (stock) with a used gtx 1060 6gb stock. I idol down at 28w and I got fortnite running around 80-90w. Part of this is that I frame cap and I use performance -lowish- settings. I haven't undervulted anything yet, and I'm on a 600w - gold (My old system idols around 80w!). Also, after about 5 minutes idol it starts to use about 55w - some kind of "system" operation.
Bryan's Economy Tips never cease, amazing.
"best summer PC build to beat the heat"
Excellent video, love to see this focus on power efficiency, since I have been running similar setups for over 10 years as Gateway / NAS / media boxes, i.e. in conjunction with a capable AP. Especially since I have PV for my home. Btw, you could try adding as many drives to the system as possible and do a new video on the topic if you ever feel like it. Maybe compare it to existing out-of-the-box NAS-es 😄👍
I like the idea of low power consumption when I’m not gaming. MG&E here in Wisconsin, USA is a monopolistic electric company that charges WAY too much every month.
10 Us cents? Thats about 1/3 of Australia without a monopoly
@@WayStedYou keep in mind our general household income and disposable income is a fair bit higher than the average US household.
Still... bloody price gouging power company jerks...
Meanwhile it’s £0.188 per kWh in the UK minimum nowadays
the thing about the efficiency is: modern hardware and old games go hand in hand. the more power you have and the less demand the game has, the more you save on power. i have some games from 2010, that push my gtx 1080 only up to 25% means the card runs on 80 watts. running cyberpunk on the other hand, keeps it a 177watt and 100% usage and doesnt reach 60 fps. meaning, the best pc for current games, would be a 19400 non k, paired with a rtx8050ti. because that would run at 40% usage to reach 144fps in modern games. so bascially a system from the future. and i know you cant compare it but still, what i see here: is what my modern or even this system in the video uses, compared to what my computer in 2002 used. and that played current games with age apropiat demand
I need a pc off grid in a campervan run by solar. I only have so much power each day to spend, usually 2000wh for all my needs after 6pm, cooking, lights etc. That's like 2-3 hours on a beefy gaming pc. Or like 10-15 hours on a highly effecient one. This is exactly what i need.
also quick but huge way to reduce power consumption in gaming is graphic settings and v-sync or fps cap. there are graphics features that you can turn off that aren't noticeable and will allow the graphics card to operate around 50% load. 18:16 it looks about right. a difference of 5% efficiency between PSUs at 200 watts is only 10 watts.
This was actually an interesting build. Gotta build PC’s with extremes rather than just the typical high end build..
I just built a PC with i7 12700t (100 watt(. It's way more efficient than regular i7 12700(180 watt), though we lose 10% single core and 20% multicore performance. These "t" sku processors can only be obtained from an all in one PC.
Great video. Many ppl are so afraid when the word overclocking is mentioned. These days undervolting your GPU and CPU really just means better performance and longer lifespan.
Yay, it's bang/watt. If you want really low power and not spend much money, you can buy cheap Celeron 4 core mini PCs (best one with Celeron J4125) from aliexpress for like US$200 (incuding 8GB ram and 128GB eMMC/SSD). With the 600 IGP they can play 4k video and do basic gaming. And the whole package uses maybe 20W or so. If you need some more storage you can add an old laptop hdd (I've got several of those from laptop SSD upgrades). This video is really good for people who are off the grid or in a RV, well done. About the rating on power supplies, you tend to get the best efficiency at about half the max wattage, so a 550W supplie's half is 275W. The 450W supplies half 225W is just closer to the low wattage you use, which might explain the low difference between these two power supplies.
This is great. I've been looking into building a 12V PC for traveling in a camper and since all of my power will be coming from solar and the camper batteries, I'm trying to maximize power efficiency. Keeping it at 12V (no PSU or battery brick) already nets me a 13% improvement but using efficient hardware along with undervolting will really make it a real power sipper. Hopefully I can get it lower power than laptop. I dislike laptops because they aren't upgradable or easily repairable.
Here's what I had in mind:
Silverstone Milo 10 case (or LZMod DC-M1)
150W Pico PSU
Gigabyte B450 Aorus Pro WiFi (I need WiFi while traveling)
AMD Ryzen 2200G (be because I have one I'm not using)
Samsung 970 Evo Plus M.2 NVME 1TB
Patriot Viper Steel 3600MHz (1x16GB) RAM
15.6" LED USB-C monitor (not sure which)
Any thoughts, tips, recommended power tuning software or related videos would be greatly appreciated.
Been thinking about this for long time. Less power draw means less heath and less loud system/smaller cooling
@Ladioz but if you have high end PC then it needs more power and that means the parts are going to be hotter…in that case you need more fans or higher fan speeds to keep it cool
I think I just found my new favorite series. I a big fan of efficiency in all things and have been running a Antec platinum for around 9 years now. The power consumption on most modern hardware makes me cringe. I would like to know how these experiments would perform on AAA games (older and newer) rather then Esport ones.
Great knowledge share on this vid paired with Veeshy's music...You've done it again man. Thank you.
Really interesting subject Brian, Got me thinking of a little 5700g APU power-efficient build for my desk, keep this theme going thanks again!
It will be quite expensive, maybe individually you will think just the APU is expensive but after you finish your build-list and see the total you can be like: wtf just happened? And it is difficult to cool it quietly... I'm a big fan of undervolting, it's cheaper because every overclocking component costs more, less heat, less power used, less noise. I have an awesome AsRock DeskMini X300 and will have to get a small expensive Noctua cooler (but worth it, Noctua really diserves it's money) to be able to cool it properly without annoying noise.
@@cosminmilitaru9920 to go small with your build its so expensive ! i like those little asrock x300 there tiny!
wow i would never have expected that with tuning, performance almost stays the same, while power consumption almost halves
Undervolting and underclocking makes more sense today than it did in the past, especially for gpus
and hot 5900x's
Just bought a 5600x and it runs hot af. Undervolted it and easily cool off about ~15C losing little to no performance at all, so yeah.
@@linhza501 The motherboard default settings are quite aggressive, i ve got a 2600x and a x470 prime pro. The first time I booted and went into bios, the voltage was set to 1.375 and the cpu was supposed to reach 4.25ghz.
I ve changed the voltage to 1.175 and cpu to 3.9ghz, turbo disabled. It runs very cool. For a few frames it ain't worth the high voltage and temperatures plus noise from the cooler
Very interesting numbers indeed. Looking forward for more tech yes low power lovin. It's difficult to come up with refreshing content during these times. You nailed it perfectly. Thank you.
My gaming pc is running off a 100ah battery offgrid, so until I upgrade my battery bank I have been very interested in power saving. Thanks for the video!
From a gamer and small scale miner. I thank you.
It was awesome results and gave some interesting results.
Im gonna use this for my next pc bong build. Thank you from North Korea.
i would love to see another build like this with an all AMD build, ideally an 8 core cpu, and try a 6800xt undervolted ! see what wattage you get then, this is especially valuable for those of us the live on the road in campervans ect,
great video and really informative, id like it if you could go into a bit more detail with the undervolting and what each setting does ect
Woah, you did the micro bends! It is celebratory because it's overwhelming to look at the socket. I use a camera to zoom in and see what's bent up when I do those repairs. Anyway, way. That right there, was a lucky find! 🙂👍 And the music in your video is on fleek.
perfect gpu and psu for this build, good job Brian.
WOW now this is a cool video actually. As a person who uses a PI4 for several things like retroarch and kodi in the livingroom over this reason alone this is a beast video man!
What do think about the Nvidia shield?
Thanks for doing a video about this. I'll have too see what I can use from the things you mentioned. But so far I only use a -0.144V offset on my Ryzen 5 2600 due to temperatures and as for my GPu, I don't think I can drop the voltage much (if at all possible) on a 1050ti. I'd love to get a watt meter at some point to check how many watts my pc is using (which can be really helpful considering electricity is expensive where I'm at), but for now the primary reason to undervolt for me are temps with ambient temps ranging from 30~34C all year round and it seems to be raising bit by bit over the years too.
Sidenote, AFAIK that Corsair CV450 is rated as a 80+ Bronze. And I have one myself and its mentioned on the box, by retailers, and on Corsair's site.
That's what I'm always tuning for, less heat and less carbon.
Keep up the GREAT work Bryan. I myself love the power efficiency.
The Gaming community needs to accept, that more environmental friendy gaming is important.
This has to become a thing. No. A Hype.
Especially with what NVIDIA RTX 4000 will pull from the wall.
wouldn't a hyper-threaded CPU be better for efficiency?
the threads are not the same as cores, they help but they also use some power, you can disable threads in both intel and amd and make comparisons
I’ve wanted to see something like this for a while!
Might be the first time I have seen someone use an 8400T. Nice job.
i disable turbo boost on my i7 11700,now cpu is running on PL1 clock.base clock of 2.5ghz on all 16 threads more than enough for my gaming need,4 days straight stress test temp never exceed 48C @ 45w package on the cpu alone,this is on uhd750 enable,disable igpu,put 6600xt,cpu package drop to 18-32w @ 100% cpu usage..now cruisin between 100-160w overall while gaming xD super happy! atleast on my system disabling hyperthreading provide no further pwr saving, so i left all 16 threads on 24/7 with base clock, enough for my gaming need
This is what I love abt TYC
I think we could find some interesting results. Whether its good to have a narrow (smaller number of cores boosting higher) or wide (larger number of cores boosting lower) at the same power level.
Thank you for this video! Ive been looking for such a vid. It wouod be nice to see an updated version with new cpus and gous that have launched
Off topic, but I wanted to point out that used tech is SUPER underrated. I've heard other channels dump on Brian's approach because it's the used price/performance stuff, but I can vouch for it. I've got a Xeon X5550/16gb ECC ram/GTX 560 TI 1GB/Chinese motherboard/SSD boot drive/hdd storage drive/used-but-tested off-brand 500W PSU PC and I've been streaming Halo MCC from it and editing videos on it for like a week. It's not great...hell, the stream quality is 720p30, but it's pretty smooth.
I've had plenty of better hardware, but the old stuff just impresses me so much. It can't do things nearly as well as new hardware, but it can still get up and do it. You don't have to spend a lot of money to get into gaming and streaming. This rig is like just over $200 USD.
Down with e-waste and down with overpriced new parts!
This is why I subscribe to your channel man, I get an idea, try searching it on youtube and boom - your video shows up! Great work man
Have to correct you Bryan on the CV450. It is 80plus Bronze rated. And at around 190-195W (my estimation @217 on the wall) it should be at peak on its efficiency curve. But 8W at around 200W mark, is still 4% difference, which looks right on the money between the Bronze and Gold.
The 550W silverstone should reach max efficiency at 225-250W. Most power suplies reach max efficiency at 35-45% of max spec load. But it varries. Some are overbuilt, which means that say a 600W rated PSU can be a 700W IRL. So that might peak at 300(ish)Watts instead of 250W. Some high end units has managed to work stable at least 100W+ over spec, with all measures within spec (rated conservatively). And the 12V spec is the wattage to use in the equation. Some (cheaper) 600W units, are not really higher power than good 500W units. Always look at 12V power ratings.
The more power your PC use, the biggest saving between Bronze and Gold/Platinum. For this kind of PC in the video and well tuned to such low power, you could save money by using a Bronze rated PSU, and slightly(insignificant) more power. But if you has to sqeeze efficiency lemon, you must to go for Gold/Platinum/Titanium. Especially the Titanium, should uphold 90+% at just 10% load, meaning a few watts less @idle / low loads.
At say 500W load power there can be a saving of up to 50W, going from a okay quality 600W Bronze- to a high-end 1000W Titanium PSU. Now that is a difference. (And the Titanium PSU will still run cold and more silent at that load).
I lived the psu comparison at the end
Efficiency, is key to sustainability, LOVE IT
honestly been looking for something like this for so long! thanks for making this :D planning to move into a van and run a rig of solar so this is very helpful
I'm sad that your not on recommended feed anymore :(
Been missing out the Tech YES content, been subscribed with the bell icon
any possibility of a little off-grid gaming set up? with something like the jackery? i feel a storm coming and a portable gaming setup would be beast!
Your videos are awesome but I want to know : What advantage do I have to use an 8400T instead of an 8400 or an 4790S instead of 4790 while loosing some FPS?
I undervolted my 8100 down 150mv and it generally uses around 6v idle and 0.96v with full load. Undervolting is definitely worthwhile if you want to save a few bucks on your eleccy usage. I'm still trying to learn how to undervolt Nvidia gpus but I need to look into that more. Also, didn't know you could undervolt ram and still have a stable system
This helped me out alot with building an offgrid gaming system
Love it, I run my RX 6600 XT at aprox 2000MHz and it's at aprox 70W.
It would be even more efficient enabling v-sync depending the monitor's frecuency.
v-sync isn't a framerate cap mate... Unless you run 60hz monitors in 2021
Great video, would love to see something similar with one of OEM Ryzen's for example 4650G.
Also would be fun to see Quadro T600 or T1000 in place of that RX 6600 XT to see how much you can lower power consumption.
Ryzen is excellent in terms of power efficiency, as long as your PSU and motherboard support low current idle. If you don't, it tends to run warm and consume more power than Intel.
I really look forward for future videos like this - AMD vs Intel on CPU side on current and older models (FX - 2600k and going forward), AMD vs Nvidia on GPU side as well (current and older). And don't forget XEONs x58-79-99, heck, maybe even some memory comparison between brands (basically samsung VS the world) Amazing video!
This is freakin brilliant! Thanks a lot mate :)
wow, very cool concept, and in some cases gaining performance . sir you are the man.
cheers.
i have that CV450 PSU. It's a nice and reliable power supply for the cost. It's quite small as well.
I'm sorry Brian but if the video doesn't open with the supersonic cleaner cleaning super dusty components, I am very upset :D. Love your videos bro, great timing, was just having breakfast! Also good old umart :D
You have to love the new ETech Yes City.
You have to also love the torn apart face Bryan will make when he will find
*DUAL XEON X58 Motherboard*
for free or dirty cheap :D
This was a brill, Something I was interested in, because power prices are going wild here in U.K.
100 Watts less power in a tiny room is a lot i am telling you.
With this global warming HERE we for sure need more efficient PCs.
GPUs and CPUs should use a lot less power, look what performance phones can put down with couple Watts.
And PC gamers are using +800 Watts to play in 4K, i think it can be way more efficient and be around 500 Watts.
its also good for the efficency to limit the fps to something resonable like 65fps on a 60hz monitor you use alot more power than you need for some easy to run games. minecraft at 400 fps isnt necesarry for example
this video alone earns a sub
My gf just built a new PC, and her rx 6600 XT draws a third of the power of what my undervolted RX 6800 xt draws!
Id love to see a video on ''hidden'' power usages, for example using old HDDs, extra fans, pumps, all that.
Thanks for the idea, I can see what I can do.
Underclock your 6800xt.
Yes! power is expensive 😎
not only the cost, less heat and less noise are great too
something thats missing here is everyday office or just streaming numbers. while gaming is the thing that will use up the most electricity, you have to account how much it takes on just watching youtube, as thats a good few hours of someone's day. as well as some people are willing to game offline to save even more power, what would the numbers be then compared to playing online?
do you have the numbers for these?
-watching videos downloaded on computer, no internet
-watching youtube videos, internet
-playing elden ring, no internet
-playing elden ring co op, internet
I wonder if you could get more efficiency with one of those modified laptop CPUs?