Her domain forces you to play celestial jade with her and if she wins, she gets 4 min 11 secs of infinite skill points. Then when it ends, she can use her sp to do another domain expansion.
A big part of the whole joy of using Qingque is that not only does she accidentally punch way above her weight, the way she keeps getting buffed in so many game modes is because she is also further accidentally riding the coat tails of the certain 5* character that they were purposely sculpting many game modes to favor. She's hilarious
@@daiwang8111she does have 5* eidolons, but she begins at 4* power. Her e4 is about as strong as dhil e2, it’s just that she begins weaker, so she gets to dhil level with e6.
@@castielysia for her it’s pretty on par, basically a 40% damage increase with corresponding weakness damage and energy gain. dhil e2 is also about a 40% damage increase with similar bonus utility of weakness break and energy gain through the extra turn. It’s pretty comparable.
Omly got to E5 Qingque during Jingliu banner. Got enough ticket and did one standart banner 10 pulls and got her E6. I have no more excuse to not build her
Qingqiu plays celestial Jade during combat because she’s actually so strong that it’s only fair for her to limit herself by adhering to the game’s rules instead of killing everything by throwing small objects at them until they die. (Not real lore)
i find it amazing how qingque was shit on the entire like first couple months of the games release, then people started figuring out how gangster her c6 is
yeah I mean pretty clunky to play at E0 on MoC especially, but as time passes, people be getting towards that E6 then comes the SU Propagation path, becoming much fun than before.
If you guys havent tried Topaz in the SU youre mission out. Its so busted. The enemy physically csnt take a turn with all the action delay she can give in a single turn
I just love this event! I played Remembrance pretty much all the time and at some point my Tingyun started doing over 1,5mil damage with auto-attacks on bosses by proccing dissociation. It was so fun 🤣
I had a somewhat similar experience in today's stage of the event using Jingliu. She was smacking those fools with like 1.5m damage at a time and killing the fodder kept her in her buffed state over and over again, it was pretty fun. This weekend I'm gonna throw my best relics onto Qingque and go wild in the 2nd stage as well,.
Jingliu is amazing support or any ice character in Planar Infinity V, dissociation to frozen enemies, easily my highest dealing damage over 19m to deer and summons. propagation however is for 0 cycle enjoyers.
Ahhhh the pain of waiting for Jing Yuan's lightcone rerun to spoil Qingque. At least with this event I've been having a blast running my Kafka comp with the addition of Guinaifen.
@@artumbo Nihility all the way! Tried the Ruan Mei node a second time and she offered me all nihility blessings, that's definitely my best score. Just have to make sure I have the nihility resonance charged for the next wave in endless mode to get a head start, been steadily getting to wave 6-7 with that set up. I could probably do better with fake-quantum Seele - Silverwolf - Fu Xuan, but I find nihility Kafka way more fun to play.
I feel like your relics don't really matter once you've gobbled up all the blessings in SU. Pretty sure you wouldn't have noticed the change from the other rope lol. Really fun run 👍
@@artumbome still struggling to get relic for Dan IL😂😂😂😂 But i want to build other chara too... rn the best chara i build is probably Blade and Dan IL still shitty relic tho😂😂 Don't have many time to farming😢😢
You're the reason why I'm even considering building my QQ 😊 she is E6 got really decent relics on quantum set just left with the boots and the elemental orb (rutilant arena set) 😢 thank u thanks to ur QQ vids i really like QQ ❤😊
omg im so glad i built qingque. i was kinda forced to build her since i didn’t have any quantum character (skipped seele and silverwolf for my fav characters), and i never once regretted it. she does just as much dmg as my other 5 star dps :D
ive gotten 100k in every stage so far thanks to my E 6 QQ lol. I cant wait for Jing Yuan re-run so I can get her his Lightcone. It is insanely busted on her
@@HDREconomist It will be good too yeah but JY's LC also buffs the follow-up attack. Idk if you have read Argenti's LC leak but definitely looks like less damage.
I just keep loving hsr more and more these days, most of the events is pretty crack with good rewards, the event's stories are cracked with memes too. The SU especially, let you run around with your creativity. I just tried Preservation + Elation with Herta + Gepard and it's cracked too got max points easily on the First Challenge. I just starting to build my E6 QQ, and still haven't unlocked the Propagation path yet but when I do, it'll be crazy.
Qingque has become my 4* main. Shes just so fun to play. She'll always have a dedicated team even when i get Himeko and Kafka. Honestly playing her made me stop pulling on Seele cause i dont need another quantum dps now lol
@artumbo she really is. I almost didn't invest in her but decided to give her a go and she's so much fun. Also thanks for the Kafka guides as well! Building up my teammembers for her as well on the side for when she comes back
Is Qingque the Xiangling of HSR? I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of Qingque. I try to play Seele. My Qingque deals more damage. I try to play Blade. My Qingque deals more damage. I try to play Jing Yuan. My Qingque deals more damage. I want to play Bronya. Her best team has Qingque. I want to play Tingyun, Silverwolf. They both want Qingque. She grabs me by the throat. I farm for her. I live for her. I give her Genius of Brilliant Stars. She isn't satisfied. I farm Messenger Traversing Hackerspace. "I don't need this much speed" She tells me. "Give me more skill points." She grabs Tingyun and forces her to throw herself at enemies. "You just need to give me more skill points. I can deal more damage with more skill points." I can't get more skill points, I don't have enough speed. She grabs my credit card. It declines. "Guess this is the end." She grabs Fuxuan. She says "Fuxuan, get them." There is no hint of sadness in his eyes. Nothing but pure, no skill point positive. What a cruel world.
This is similarily stupid to hunt + elation path Jingliu. Had this today, all the hunt blessings and lots of elation blessings including the one that makes your ultimate a follow up attack. I zero cycled it with Jingliu just doing like 15 turns back to back.
Got the propagatipn path on that one and the occurance right after was and i kid you not "ruan mei" part 2,the shock on my face when i got that and proceeded to destroy everything
I finally have a completely maxed qinque in everything but her light cone ascension and I use her for everything. I go propagation on every planar infinity and still win lmao
Most characters fight enemies with weapons. Some used companions with more firepower than they do. Some use more unconventional or improvized weapons, often with the aid of their own power. Some even use attacks that might be magical or incredibly sci-fi. Then there's Qingque, who uses mahjong pieces, which are usually plastic bricks.
This is what I did on all of the stages. I don't have Topaz and use the Genius LC, but my QQ slams a lot, especially with the deer boss on the last stage.
QQ and DHIm are the destroyers of simulated when running propogation. Mixing that with elation, then Clara being supported by raw DPS Topaz is manslaughter
I did a elation run with jingyuan, numbaz, bronya and fu xuan first time I cleared all 8 stages before round limit went out might retry older stages, but numbipaz is just so fun
I've been having the worst luck for this challenge, it keeps trying to give me nihility when i try and play Qingque ( ;∀;) Regardless, it's always a pleasure to see your QQ go crazy!
Man, how are you able to proc her E4 that often? For me, most of the time it doesn't proc even though I've used 4 SP or more.... Is it literally just luck? Or is there any tricks that I didn't know here?
How many points did you get in Planar Infinity?
over 9000
@@doshy1345 you're a pro
30k 😅
90k, 82k, 100k
70k with underleveled characters and artifacts, the Hunt is so OP.
I love when qingque said “domain expansion: slacking off during work” and did qingquillion damage”
LOOL im just thinking of her splash art picture being her domain expansion
That's what happens when you do what you love❤😂 and she's playing her game
Only thing that could stop her is fu xuan
Truly, one of character of all time
Her domain forces you to play celestial jade with her and if she wins, she gets 4 min 11 secs of infinite skill points. Then when it ends, she can use her sp to do another domain expansion.
A big part of the whole joy of using Qingque is that not only does she accidentally punch way above her weight, the way she keeps getting buffed in so many game modes is because she is also further accidentally riding the coat tails of the certain 5* character that they were purposely sculpting many game modes to favor.
She's hilarious
well said! she's awesome
whos that certain 5 star?
@@nar1768 Prob Dan Heng IL.
first dan heng, now argenti with erudition@@nar1768
I think QQ was a five star. She lost her fifth star gambling like the good gremlin she is.
They’ll make a new version of her but she’ll be a 6 star 😂
Qq was made to be 4* instead of 5* because hoyoverse afraid she becomes too overpowered if she have 5* eidolon
@@daiwang8111she does have 5* eidolons, but she begins at 4* power. Her e4 is about as strong as dhil e2, it’s just that she begins weaker, so she gets to dhil level with e6.
@@georgezhang1573QQ is extremely strong, but her e4 definitely isn't as powerful as Dhil's e2 lol
@@castielysia for her it’s pretty on par, basically a 40% damage increase with corresponding weakness damage and energy gain. dhil e2 is also about a 40% damage increase with similar bonus utility of weakness break and energy gain through the extra turn. It’s pretty comparable.
I liked the part where Qingque said “it’s qingqueing time” and Qingqued all over the enemies doing five qingquillion damage
qqing time babyyyy
good times
Common W Qingqueen
Truly one of the Qing of all Ques
Don't worry, Qingque will be buffed again in the near future! Make sure to save up your pulls
save up your pulls to gamble in the gambling video game to get the gamba girl who gambles for damage
@@artumbo gambaception
Omly got to E5 Qingque during Jingliu banner. Got enough ticket and did one standart banner 10 pulls and got her E6. I have no more excuse to not build her
@@artumboand deals gambillion damage
oh you had no idea
Qingqiu plays celestial Jade during combat because she’s actually so strong that it’s only fair for her to limit herself by adhering to the game’s rules instead of killing everything by throwing small objects at them until they die.
(Not real lore)
NOPE this is real lore now
I mean when we first met QQ, she still won the game with a shitty hand while explaining things to Trailblazer's group 😂
@@Evil-Vright😂😂😂
So, like danmaku in Touhou?
Sounds legit
This is the proof that some 4⭐ are worth building cause they're a secret 5⭐ 😮
Secret 6 star you mean ;D
There are a few good 4 star but why is himeko so bad idk...
@@potatochobit She isn't..
@@MeltsLikeCaramelshe is kinda
@@issacclarke4194 if you bring her to single boss without fire weakness then yes, she's so bad.
QQ is the real 5 Star all along
*6 star ;)
Qingque continues to be the most consistently fun character I've ever played in HSR. Man, I love Qingque.
absolutely agree on that one
i find it amazing how qingque was shit on the entire like first couple months of the games release, then people started figuring out how gangster her c6 is
She didn’t even want the attention 😭
She’s the xiangling of hsr
@@artumbo she got promoted to hypercarry.
Most unfortunate for our dear slacker
yeah I mean pretty clunky to play at E0 on MoC especially, but as time passes, people be getting towards that E6 then comes the SU Propagation path, becoming much fun than before.
shes like bennett lol but dps
Having your favorite character get buffed again is such a W
Feels so good
Best gambling Goblin
If you guys havent tried Topaz in the SU youre mission out. Its so busted. The enemy physically csnt take a turn with all the action delay she can give in a single turn
Yep that one action delay blessing from elation + topaz literally keeps them from moving
Topaz's trace that changed her basic atk to Follow Up Attack is a menace, literally one shotting every thing on the Planar Infinity world
Guess you fell for the marketing scheme.
@@lunar3903 can't fall for it if I was on board from the jump :0
@@ffikayue with no business doing that much dmg. Infinite spins too. Just shenanigans. Straight up shenanigans
when throwing mahjong tiles hit harder than Satelite cannon
when the tiles hit harder than exploding stars 😂
@@artumbo when the mahjong tiles hit harder than a stone book 😂
Dude, DHIL is insane in this new event. Hunt Path turns him into an absolute monster, even with my mediocre build lol
ooo yeah i can see dhil absolutely breaking this event too
Qingque >
Propagation and hunt is so stupidly fun because you just get unlimited turns
@@Rennorijin are we really going to compare who's the better character in a game where it's barely competitive?
@@shahanajbegumamin319 Lighten up man they're just goofing around
Since I fully maxed out my QQ, I lost all interest in pulling 5* DPS (skipped DHIL and JinLiu). She is such a monster and fun to play.
glad to hear you're enjoying her!! keep gambling (with qq) :)
Stuff like this is why I love star rail
They come out with some of the best events
One of the earlier ones with infinite skill points was crazy fun too
Recently got E6 Qingque and Dan Hung when pulling for seeles LC, 4 star DPSs are SO FUN to mess around with and build.
Congrats!! You’re gonna love playing them especially at E6
Qingqiu isn’t even a meme
I just love this event!
I played Remembrance pretty much all the time and at some point my Tingyun started doing over 1,5mil damage with auto-attacks on bosses by proccing dissociation. It was so fun 🤣
HOLY LOOL yeah dissocation is nuts
I had a somewhat similar experience in today's stage of the event using Jingliu. She was smacking those fools with like 1.5m damage at a time and killing the fodder kept her in her buffed state over and over again, it was pretty fun. This weekend I'm gonna throw my best relics onto Qingque and go wild in the 2nd stage as well,.
jingliu sounds insane for this one as well but yeah go crazy with qingque!
Jingliu is amazing support or any ice character in Planar Infinity V, dissociation to frozen enemies, easily my highest dealing damage over 19m to deer and summons. propagation however is for 0 cycle enjoyers.
that was crazy LOL, glad to see QQ is getting all the love as she should
the gremlin deserves the best :)
Ahhhh the pain of waiting for Jing Yuan's lightcone rerun to spoil Qingque. At least with this event I've been having a blast running my Kafka comp with the addition of Guinaifen.
With JY lightcone she is a beast
Hopefully he gets his rerun soon! What path are you running with those two?
@@artumbo Nihility all the way! Tried the Ruan Mei node a second time and she offered me all nihility blessings, that's definitely my best score. Just have to make sure I have the nihility resonance charged for the next wave in endless mode to get a head start, been steadily getting to wave 6-7 with that set up. I could probably do better with fake-quantum Seele - Silverwolf - Fu Xuan, but I find nihility Kafka way more fun to play.
I feel like your relics don't really matter once you've gobbled up all the blessings in SU. Pretty sure you wouldn't have noticed the change from the other rope lol. Really fun run 👍
glad you enjoyed! you're probably right it wouldn't have mattered much even without the change 😂
@@artumbome still struggling to get relic for Dan IL😂😂😂😂 But i want to build other chara too... rn the best chara i build is probably Blade and Dan IL still shitty relic tho😂😂
Don't have many time to farming😢😢
You're the reason why I'm even considering building my QQ 😊 she is E6 got really decent relics on quantum set just left with the boots and the elemental orb (rutilant arena set) 😢 thank u thanks to ur QQ vids i really like QQ ❤😊
im happy to hear that!! :)
thank you so much and i hope you get those boots and orb soon
@@artumbo ty looking forward to ur next vids :D:D:D
omg im so glad i built qingque. i was kinda forced to build her since i didn’t have any quantum character (skipped seele and silverwolf for my fav characters), and i never once regretted it. she does just as much dmg as my other 5 star dps :D
ive gotten 100k in every stage so far thanks to my E 6 QQ lol. I cant wait for Jing Yuan re-run so I can get her his Lightcone. It is insanely busted on her
LET'S GOOO LOOOL
Real question... won't Argenti's LC actually be truly busted on QQ?
@@HDREconomist It will be good too yeah but JY's LC also buffs the follow-up attack. Idk if you have read Argenti's LC leak but definitely looks like less damage.
@v-7815 I have and it seemed in my reading much more consistent... I guess we just need Artumbo to do the comparison in 1.5!
@@v-7815 argentis lc is worse than bp lc, he only buffs the ultimate
I just keep loving hsr more and more these days, most of the events is pretty crack with good rewards, the event's stories are cracked with memes too.
The SU especially, let you run around with your creativity.
I just tried Preservation + Elation with Herta + Gepard and it's cracked too got max points easily on the First Challenge.
I just starting to build my E6 QQ, and still haven't unlocked the Propagation path yet but when I do, it'll be crazy.
Couldn't agree more! Love the new events and I hope you enjoy your E6 QQ :)
Damn I love watching superpowered Qingque in the morning
Qingque for breakfast
Qingque has become my 4* main. Shes just so fun to play. She'll always have a dedicated team even when i get Himeko and Kafka. Honestly playing her made me stop pulling on Seele cause i dont need another quantum dps now lol
glad to hear that! she's awesome :)
@artumbo she really is. I almost didn't invest in her but decided to give her a go and she's so much fun.
Also thanks for the Kafka guides as well! Building up my teammembers for her as well on the side for when she comes back
this is QQ entering Jackpot mode during her gambling session
she made millions that day
Propagation Qingque kinda Crazy Insane until very sastified for this.
Holy shit. I’ve have been Miyavi’s Ed
Spoilers, Johnny Cage!
if propagation is this busted i can only imagine what else they could make
Is Qingque the Xiangling of HSR?
I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of Qingque. I try to play Seele. My Qingque deals more damage. I try to play Blade. My Qingque deals more damage. I try to play Jing Yuan. My Qingque deals more damage. I want to play Bronya. Her best team has Qingque. I want to play Tingyun, Silverwolf. They both want Qingque.
She grabs me by the throat. I farm for her. I live for her. I give her Genius of Brilliant Stars. She isn't satisfied. I farm Messenger Traversing Hackerspace. "I don't need this much speed" She tells me. "Give me more skill points." She grabs Tingyun and forces her to throw herself at enemies. "You just need to give me more skill points. I can deal more damage with more skill points."
I can't get more skill points, I don't have enough speed. She grabs my credit card. It declines. "Guess this is the end." She grabs Fuxuan. She says "Fuxuan, get them." There is no hint of sadness in his eyes. Nothing but pure, no skill point positive. What a cruel world.
Zyox viewers be like
LMAO
qq is just too crazy fun. She's such a lovable char
Qingque was my first main at the start untill i got Jing Yuan, I think I regret neglecting her now. God damn she is so strong
QINGQUE MY GOAT
GAMBA GIRL GOGO
GAMBA GIRL GAMING
i often think about fu xuan’s trailer implying she cant read the future accurately if it involves QQ. she’s literally on a different plane…
fu xuan HAS to know she's a genius but just very lazy looool
Holy fuck 1million damage
10 million too 😨
Ten Qingquillion damage!
Return to Seido, Edward Dairou!
Where did you learn my real name?
LOOOL
This is similarily stupid to hunt + elation path Jingliu.
Had this today, all the hunt blessings and lots of elation blessings including the one that makes your ultimate a follow up attack.
I zero cycled it with Jingliu just doing like 15 turns back to back.
That sounds way too fun LOL I’m gonna try that now thanks!
I really likes u'r commentary on video bro, its calm, on point and entertaining
appreciate it a lot, thank you!! :)
just wait till they release the ultimate qingque buff.... celestial jade minigame in HSR (soon™)
they NEED to do that!
Got the propagatipn path on that one and the occurance right after was and i kid you not "ruan mei" part 2,the shock on my face when i got that and proceeded to destroy everything
THERE'S NO WAY
hope you recorded that run
@@artumbo I still have it saved but I didn't record it
QQ is literally Xiangling of HSR lol
so true
QINGQUILLION DAMAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!! 💀
QINGBIBITOR LUNAE
2mil+ qq turn was insane. Holy
Qingqillion
The gambling gremlin strikes again
she's such a menace
Everytime I want to learn about Qingque, I'll come to this channel. Thank you Master QQ
I’ll admit watching this was awesome
glad to hear that :)
them numbers going crazy
crazy gremlin
QQ: Hehe see that? Im the top propagation character! Bow down to your queen! *steps on imbibitor daniel*
STEPS ON?! 😳
lots of Qinquillion DAMAGE!
qingchad
I got fucking Remembrance. Against Cocolia.
Kill me.
NOOOO that’s so unlucky
HSR devs must be QQ enjoyers too and possibly relate to her work struggles for her to get a dedicated SU path
at this point they have to be
Qingque is truly HSR's Hakari lmao
QingKari
literally
I finally have a completely maxed qinque in everything but her light cone ascension and I use her for everything. I go propagation on every planar infinity and still win lmao
LOOL it's always qingque
"Throughout galaxy and simulated universe,she alone is the honored one"
good lord what i just witnessed
you've witnessed one qingqillion damage
Most characters fight enemies with weapons.
Some used companions with more firepower than they do.
Some use more unconventional or improvized weapons, often with the aid of their own power.
Some even use attacks that might be magical or incredibly sci-fi.
Then there's Qingque, who uses mahjong pieces, which are usually plastic bricks.
Running Propagation + Elation with her is too fun. I love to see many numbers. 😂
Does topaz help?
it does if you have e4 but I prefer having pela to do even funnier damage
it's super funny to have numby there as a mascot
but yeah qingque + propagation + elation is just ridiculous
We doing a lil' gamble
doin a LOTTA gamble 😋
The combo is disgustingly op and i love it😂
literally unstoppable
I cant even come close to understand what i just witnessed but goddam it felt pretty good to do so
This is what I did on all of the stages. I don't have Topaz and use the Genius LC, but my QQ slams a lot, especially with the deer boss on the last stage.
“YATTA AGARI!”
Qingque is literally the xiangling of star rail
TRUE
The first was the most difficult Gepard summoning 200 Dunn xd
That was so funny seeing all of them on screen at once LOOOLL
Free turns for Qingque tho 😂
I can't wait to fully build my e6 QQ lol this looks fun!
You’ll have a blast, have fun!!
I guess thats qingqiu when she gets adrenaline rush from winning the gambling game 10 times in a row
QQ and DHIm are the destroyers of simulated when running propogation. Mixing that with elation, then Clara being supported by raw DPS Topaz is manslaughter
The propagation path bonuses are kinda broken too. Like seriously? 2 separate ones that recharge the resonance’s energy?
Propagation is so broken I love it
How did you manage your trailblaze power? Do you do the daily refresh using jades?
Bro, I don't even KNOW what I just watched but DAMN
dw me neither
who would win?
A. ice queen of Belobog and is in control of the engine of creation as well as the stellaron
B. professional mahjong addict
I JUST got her at E6 and I'll maybe try to build her after I finish up Luocha and Bronya
Congrats!! Definitely go for her you won’t regret it :)
This was so satisfying lawd. I love this event cuz all my characters are doing some godly dmg w shitty builds lmaooo
Loved this video!!!!
glad you enjoyed it!! the event is great :)
Gamba gamba! That’s a very strong 5 star.
5 star kit design
how do you unluck propagation in simulated universe assuming its swarm disaster related I've finished difficulty 5 is it related to the all the paths?
swarm disaster missions with herta!
I feel like i just witnessed a snuff film
AINT NO WAY 💀💀
Me with E6 QQ chilling and smilling watching this
she's about to go crazy for you
@artumbo even though she is not bad my E2 dhil is superior, but still QQ is noce
J E S U S THE DAMAGE IS WILD
she's just crazy like that
I will marry QQ
i'll go to your wedding
You okay gambling on her arriving to the wedding on time??
Yeah, I can see you waiting for your wedding while QQ were busy "gambling" with me
I did a elation run with jingyuan, numbaz, bronya and fu xuan
first time I cleared all 8 stages before round limit went out
might retry older stages, but numbipaz is just so fun
amazing combo!
well well well, my time to build her
LET'S GOOOO
Qingque impact
honkai: qq rail
qingque my beloved
Best girl
I've been having the worst luck for this challenge, it keeps trying to give me nihility when i try and play Qingque ( ;∀;)
Regardless, it's always a pleasure to see your QQ go crazy!
hope you get propagation with her!!
and glad to hear that, thank you :)
Man, how are you able to proc her E4 that often? For me, most of the time it doesn't proc even though I've used 4 SP or more.... Is it literally just luck? Or is there any tricks that I didn't know here?
it is literally just luck, lol i also dont get E4 as much as artumbo does, doesn't matter, she is busted af
At 3 skill points used, you have roughly a 56% chance to get E4 but yeah it’s all luck at the end of the day 😄
Domain expansion Infinite Gambling !
Limitless gacha
The emanator of Propagation is a mahjong addicted gremlin for sure😂
LMAO i guess we're all following the path of propagation then
I've actually been using Silver Wolf as a support for qingque just to give things quantum weaknesses lmao
true Gremlin Enabler
anything for the gremlin!
Hesercher of celestial Jade
Got 100k thanks to qingque and propagation
LETS GOOO glad to hear that
You can see who's Artumbo's favourite character XD
she's alright 😂
Qinque in propagation: god of gambler
and nobody believe that until I show this.
何を言ってるか分からないけど、この人が興奮していることは分かる
こんにちは! ビデオを見つけてよかった
I thought herta was a boss for a second
Who needs Seele when you have E6 Qingque
brain empty, just gamba
just keep pressing e!
thank you qingque for carrying all my runs
she's the goat
I knew I wasn't ready for 1 QINQQUILLION DAMAGE... I mean, I already knew about it but seeing it so vividly... Oh my, what a sight to behold!