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- Hilltop are a UK company that re flash your bikes ecu.
Costs between £250-300 for an authorised installer to do it, or you can go and take your bike to Geoff and the team at their HQ.
My Africa Twin had been Hilltopped and that ran really well.
If you like the mirrors here’s the link to them, as several people have asked 😊
www.wunderlich...
So, do I get the GS topped?
There was a 2022 GSA 1250 that had been topped and was at my local BMW dealership. Actually it was the CEO's own bike!
He kindly allowed me to take it for a ride to see how good the ecu flash was.
Certainly revs like a 2 stroke now, kind of. First real go on the big GSA and as it had a fresh set of knobbly tyres on it (handles differently, to put it mildly) it all felt a bit foreign, so I took it easy .
Lots of variables for the brain to digest , GSA, exhaust, bar risers etc and then decide if the ecu flash did anything.
Benefits of an ecu flash are that it smooths out all the lumps and bumps in the torque curve and makes throttle response quicker, better fuel economy etc
Will I get mine done....stay tuned.
More info at Hilltops website:
www.hilltopmoto...
Kind thanks to the chaps at The Mansell Collection, pop in for a chat or coffee, especially if you are a biker on holiday visiting Jersey😁
www.themansell...
You won't be disappointed if you do.
I've had two of my bikes done, a Thruxton R and a Street Triple.
For those of you who remember what a bike feels like with a well sorted set of carbs, that's one of the things having your bike Hilltopped will do.
Smoother more predictable throttle response. Believe it or not, better mpg but overall a bike that wants to rev with no flat-spots.
It's difficult to articulate the difference as you're probably used to riding around the flat-spots and how your engine responds, or doesn't.
My 1250 will be with Geoff soon, for him to work his magic.
I did enjoy the bigger GS, and it revved quite freely too, as one of the lads in the dealership said, his GS used to revile the old 2 strokes after he had his done 😂
I remain sceptical about the hilltop claims ,all the dyno runs I've seen appear to have artificially low before figures thus inflating the percentage increase,as for smoothness on the 1250 a very experienced dyno operator that tests for the magazines stated the fuel air ratio was absolutely spot on ,one the best he's tested in 30 odd yrs ,I think its a case of the emperors new clothes for many ,no one's gonna spend hundreds of pounds then say oooh that's worse 🤷♂️
Appreciate you taking time to comment 👍
Totally concur expensive placebo for sure.!!
I had my 2017 GS 1200 Rallye Hilltopped and it was better for it. I thought the 1250 shift cam was great out of the crate but you got me thinking now..... If you want to ride a stock GSA in triple black (of course) you are always more than welcome to borrow mine.
Thanks, it needs to be a dry day, I don't do rain !!!😂
Egsaust looks nice, any idea what brand it is.
Hi, not sure as he's sold the bike now.
“ if you are visiting the island” Which island is that then?
What mirrors are those? I like the zero bezel look
Not sure, the bike had loads of bits on it, even down to o2 sensor protectors as its ridden hard off road by there owner!
Can you ask where the mirrors are from please as they look fantastic
@@darrenpalmer3073 Hi Darren I will do and get back to you . I will ping a message to my mate , both ex job and both rode the BMW’s back in the day ! He works at the dealership and he will ask Greg Mansell where he got them from . Ali express no doubt 🙈
@@gsd32i thanks and keep up the great work on the channel.
Morning Darren, I’ve just contacted Gregg the owner of the GSA and he sourced all the bits n pieces from Wundelrlich. Here’s the link to those mirrors. Not Chinese therefore not cheap 😂
www.wunderlich.de/shop/en/bmw-r-series/r-1250-gs/ergonomics-comfort/mirrors/motogadget-mo-view-race-mirror-m36349-102.html
must say its an amazing graphic on the tank
Take a look at BHP Burnley. They come highly recommended and have developed remaps for the 1250 and come highly recommended. You can buy the remap and do the ECU flash yourself, they have a video showing you how it's done. You can also swap back to the OEM map if you had to in the case of an engine warranty issue
Stop right there...There is only one place to go for this mod & its BHP UK Burnley. Absolutely transforms the GS. How do I know?? Because ive had both on my bikes. Hilltop & BHP. Im no sales guy for BHP but thats the place to go. You can thank me later.
OK I've stopped.😂
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What cost for a gsa to be hilltoped?
What was the price...here in North America...were looking atUS $700 ish...you keep the unit.
Hi, in the UK it really is more coding hidden somewhere ............so nothing physical to keep.
Just found your channel and subbed 😊
Welcome aboard!
Does anyone know who makes these tank and fender graphics?
Oops this one slipped through the net. I will ask the owner when I see him again in the next few days.
I am very skeptical to this scheme. There almost no chance you can hack into a BMW ECU these days. If you not piggy bag it and get a fake lambda / O2 censoring, the ECU will just regulate any changes back to normal. Not a single neutral before and after dyno could confirm any changes people claim to have experienced. But who knows.
No. Your understanding is incorrect.
One simple example:
If I overwrite a target AFR cell in a map how will the ECU reset it? I've literally changed the value the ECU is trying to hit.
Yes their is some adaptation over time but that applies whether you're on stock or modded map. The key thing is that I have changed the target.
I wouldn't recommend Hillside though. If I were after a BMW remap I'd probably go with Brentuning or BHP UK. They are much clearer on how/ what they change in order to address issues they've identified.
@@darkdestroyer6634 well that could be very simple, after you restart the bike the IC will re-write the map if a certain checksum or parameter isn't met. And I am certain there are 100 more ways the manufacturer can protect the ECU from being hacked. Your 2nd part is actually very telling: "there is some adaptation" - well if you re-map it there shouldn't be any. When googling Hilltop remap, I see only "scam" - and so far I have never seen a before / after dyno chart. People keep saying by changing the fueling the quick shifter will work better from 2nd to 3rd, but that is hard to believe, because that is a mechanical issue to begin with.
I did rode a Brentuned bike back to back with my GS, and found absolutely no difference at all. But the owner kept insisting the difference is night and day. All legit tuners I know shake there. head and say they don't do GS's or K1600 with EU5, so maybe there is more to it. Or maybe not.
Google d Mansell BMW …….. Jersey, thought the roads looked nice 😊
Over priced and not needed on a GS A 1250!! Hardly notecible on my 1200.
Hi ,appreciate the comment. Just give folks a better take on whether to or not. GS owners possibly have too much spare cash 🙈
so you got on a bike with 50-50 tires and you only rode on pavement, shame
Hahaha . Yes I know . The owner rides it very hard off road and is off to do the TET again , hence the tyres . Handled differently to my lovely smooth road 6’s 😂
To much…
Everyone has different tastes , thank goodness. Life would be very grey otherwise🤪
@@gsd32i daar in heb. Je helemaal gelijk! Maar het blijft wel een motor en geen kerstboom…zo lijkt het wel e.o.a. Verheerlijking….iets over de top voor mij
Had an RT flashed at Hilltop. Definitely removed the dead spot at around 3-4k rpm and maybe a bit more at the top. Seemed worth it for me but won't be doing my 1250 GSA as the warranty worry would be too great.
Thanks for the input 👍
Beautiful ride along the shore!! Thanks for taking us with you but I have to ask how much different is your GS compared to Big Muzzy with the 30 lt tank?
It looks and feels ( spread legs) huge. For me the baby gs is the one I would still go for BUT as and when I come to change it ……….I might have to just for once try the big gs , but then again I’m not sure 🙈my bladder wouldn’t cope with 300 miles in one go !!!
@@gsd32i hahahaha I hear ya. For me it’s the assurance if you may on the fuel range. It’s nothing like Europe where in 5 miles you can find a petrol station… Here it may be 40+ miles if you’re really out and about. I haven’t test ride the big Bertha but all the riders I see around are saying the same thing: it’s just an optical mind trick. Surely it gets very heavy when you do garage stuff or parking lots. Cheers and thanks again
@@MRGS48 🤪yes I can see why others go for the real mans GS depending on what you want to do explore etc etc 👍
@@gsd32i don’t think of it as a “real man’s” GS you can do stuff off road with a crotch rocket. I won’t limit myself so no one should. Thanks for the chat
So what are the guys at Mansell like? …….. you didn’t say 😉
Didn’t I . Oh dear will have to do another video 😂 . Drinks machine is free 👍
Gregs bike, very nice looking, should see what he puts it through lol will definitely be getting it done on my bike.
Evening. Yes it did rev more freely, the full knobbly tyres were something that I have never ridden with. Back tyre spun up several times. did feel weird going into corners but Greg did tell me what to expect and he was right.🤪
@@gsd32i mines the same on the Metzeler Karoo 3s they like to spin up if too hard on the corner, trying to save them for my trip away in June, over here it is not too bad because of our speeds, UK roads will shred them, so probably only get a season out of them
@@BeanieBiker_AutisticRider More of a road rider but willing to have a go, may need a smaller bike though and ,may have to let my 890r duke go?. Its a different feeling on those knobbly things!!!!😂
@@gsd32i you get use to riding on them, should check out MADtv on TH-cam, they have done some great builds for offroading in Australia, done as much as I can with my 750gs now, just the ECU mapping left to do. Wouldn't like to try and offroad anything bigger, but Greg does with his 1250, quite amazed at how he handles that big girl
Don't bother con artist!
Hi M, I have heard of that but others I have spoken to swear how good the top is .
@@gsd32i i had a 2017 Tiger Sport flashed by him, then my 2018 KTM 1290 SAS, but wasnt convinced,so took it to Cjs racing in Bristol and he said that there was no change in the software or code.
Chris writes software/ code for manufacturers so knows his stuff.
Reflashed my Tracer 9 too.
MCN and Lamp chop have taken down their videos as they think hes fake, smoke and mirrors.
@@mwest2032 interesting . All a bit above my qualification and pay grade 🙈
@@mwest2032 I had mine forensically examined by some spooks at work, nope, the ECU wasn’t even accessed
Nice report mate…. I’ve got that reflash on my 1200GS LC. Made me laugh when you went down 5 mile road….no video!
Whole hilltop set up and remote mapping is a scam.
If you ever want to take my GS1250 out and feel the difference, be by guest.
@@gsd32i nope, i know like quit a few what HT gets up to. Total scam.
Thanks
Great content. What brand rear mirrors are those on your bike in this video? They don’t look even better than Option719. Would you rate them better or equal to BMW OPT719!
Here’s the link.
www.wunderlich.de/en/motogadget-mo.view-race-mirror-m36349-102
they look nice and are not as in his face as the 719 option. very much a personal taste thing .
Well it has been what 13 hours since you screwed with your bike last:)
indeed.
Do you know by chance what mirrors they are on his GSA ? I think they look brilliant and have searched with no luck.
Yes, they are from Wunderlich. Not cheap though!!!
www.wunderlich.de/en/motogadget-mo.view-sport-mirror-36349-202
@@gsd32i thanks so much! A lot cheaper than the 719 options and I thought they look great!
Thank you for letting me know and Happy Newyear to you! 😃
Where are you riding
Hi Tim , riding in Jersey . 👍
How do you get a list of their approved installers? Nothing on their website.
Hi Rob . Drop them an e mail or phone them . When I bought my Africa Twin ,which had been flashed ,I had a question or two about the flash and they were very helpful 👍
@@gsd32i Thanks, did watch the vid i the early hours and was hoping they'd have a list. Comms have been sent...
If ya want it more exiting , buy a KTM 1290 Super Adventure S.
I wouldn't know how to oil that chain thing, yet alone adjust it 😂!!!!
@@gsd32i 😂 if I can do it! ..you know the rest!
Na, rode my pals last weekend in Wales, didn't float my boat, felt like a bag of spanners compared to the GS, KTM was typical thumping twin, felt every pulse, footpegs buzzed, bars buzzed, seat was like a block of wood ( and it was the ktm "Comfort" seat ) ... just not the kind of bike you wanna spend all day on, covering big miles in comfort.... when I got back on my 1250 it felt like a big fast, smooth Bentley, wafting along smoothly... my pal, having had a few GS's himself fell in love all over again 🤣 ...
What mirrors are those?
www.wunderlich.de/shop/en/bmw-r-series/r-ninet/product-news/motogadget-mo-view-race-mirror-m36349-102.html 👍
@@gsd32i cheers
what does this do to warranty? Have thought about getting mine done.
i was told it voids engine repairs since bmw will know that at one point the bike was ridden without the proper ecu map .
I would suggest phoning Hilltop and asking them that very question and ask your dealer if you have a good relationship with them .👍
Was told by my dealer 3 months ago, they do work on your bike if flah and will not update you if you let them know,,,, but some repair BMW may ask for the bike data and if they do they can use that to deny you warranty work...
don't get me wrong flashing a bike is worth it these day if you really want the bike working the way it should ,,,and i m not talking about HP, just rideability .
Quick question, so i have a standard GS that has just been in for led retrofit, and was loaned a GSA for day or so. In your opinion after swapping from your GS to GSA to test ecu map , did you find the GSA smoother than the GS. To me the GSA felt a heavier bike making it a bit more planted ..engine brake seemed less in dynamic and vibes up above 75mph a lot less .. I have installed evo bar ends and rubber peg inserts , but still I get some niggly vibes on my GS..
Standard pegs on mine and with the eco bar ends no vibes at all , really smooth. As far as the GS v GSA goes , hard to tell as the big GS had raises bars, different grips and exhaust and knobby tyres, so it wasn't apples v apples. I will more than likely get my baby GS topped when I bet back from work/holiday , but I will do a few roll ons etc to have a base line to compare the standard ecu with the remapped one. I think the gsa has different geometry up front?
@@gsd32i cheers for quick reply and comments, difficult as dealer says its just the way they are , but after riding GSA it was a lot smoother. Think it's time to find local GS owners who may be willing to swap and compare . 👍👍
WOW....what year/colour scheme is that?????
2022 GSA had lots done by the owner !