Behind the Scenes - Edgar Winter & L. Ron Hubbard 's Scientology Music Album - Mission Earth
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- Dive into the world of music and unconventional collaborations in this video, "Behind the Scenes - Edgar Winter & L. Ron Hubbard's Scientology Music Album - Mission Earth." Discover the strange partnership between iconic rock musician Edgar Winter and cult founder L. Ron Hubbard.
Mark Fisher was there. Join him as he reveals the backstory, the artistic process, and the result of this collaboration on the music scene. Mark also covers Edgar Winter's unique musical ability and how he got involved in the Scientology cult.
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Very interesting and enjoyable video. Thank you Mark . I remember seeing Edgar Winter and his band at the Boo pub in Coquitlam British Columbia 🇨🇦 back in 1994 . I remember how absolutely amazing it was and he was such a class act and a very nice person. Glad he is still with us. Thanks again Mark . 🙏👍
Glad you enjoyed it
Edgar Winter's White Trash feat Jerry LaCroix is a fantastic albums. Some amazing songs like Give It Everything You've Got and Dying To Live are on that album
Isaac Asimov wrote a memoir, I, Asimov, wrote a chapter about the talks he has with L Ron about a fake religion to escape taxes. Scientology was conceived as a tax dodge. Nothing complicated about his motives.
Been an Edgar Winter fan since the 70s & had no idea he had a relationship with that dubious organization ☹️
I really enjoyed listening to all your stories. Was very interesting to hear. You guys have endless stories to share. Look forward to hearing more. 😊😊😊
Glad you enjoyed it!
The brothers have type 1 albinism, completely lacking pigment. My 2 children have type 2. Light yellow hair, pale blue eyes. They both drive.
Excellent information! Thanks, Mark!
I saw Edgar Winter and Leon Russell for five bucks in Columbus, Ohio back in the late 80's. Incredible. Sorry to hear he got caught up in this cult.
Amazing history!! I saw Edgar Winter play one time!! Super interesting.
It is quite refreshing to watch your channel again. I haven't seen much from you guys lately. This is what I began watching the anti-scientology content, not the silly, destructive infighting and insult swapping. This was really interesting, thank you.
Our pleasure!
This was really, really great. I had a personal training client a few years ago who had Edger and his brother before he died as her clients in her business. She wasn't one to spill tea about people she worked with at all, but would praise people she liked up and down and he was one of them. She had only wonderful things to say about him.
I'm a 1980s prog rock disciple so when she first said he was her client I was thrilled. For whatever reason she was really surprised that I knew of him and knew the song she mentioned, which was Frankenstein, of course. It's always fun to learn that someone who's art you admire is as cool as you hope they would be.
The other scientologist I'm a big fan of, who passed a few years ago is Chick Corea! I've gotten to see him a few times back east and once out here at the Catalina Club with Stanley Clarke on bass and me in heaven!! 😅
Thanks very much for sharing. Chick was another very nice man. I knew him during that same time period and he invited me to his wedding to Gayle Moran at the Biltmore Hotel in the 1980s. Fantastic talent. A musical genius.
@@sovereignbrehon Hey Joel here. Another group that because Scientologists at the same time Chuck Corea did in '69 is the legendary British Psychedelic Art-Folk group The Incredible String Band. They were around from 1966 to 1974 and then reunited in 1999 and quit again in '06. They are incredibly diverse and Mike Heron and Robin Williamson, the leaders and Scientologists of the band, played a lot of different instruments including non-western ones like the gimri, sitar, oud, tabla, and African hunting guitar. Their best albums are for me 'The Hangman's Beautiful Daughter', 'Wee Tam and the Big Huge, 'U', 'Liquid Acrobat as Regards the Air' and their final album 'Hard Rope and Silken Twine', which includes an awesome nearly 20 minute prog epic entitled 'Ithakos', which is a suite made up of multiple, very diverse pieces. I really hope you check them out because you won't be disappointed by them. There is something about them that I can't find words to explain what it is they had.
Joel
Great video and storytelling! Edgar Winter was my first rock idol after The Beatles broke up. His talent was eons beyond most musicians in the 1970s-- just listen to his first album, Entrance, released in late 1970 and after he and Johnny had performed at the Woodstock festival in 1969! They were both just beginning their careers. Johnny was a dedicated blues man, but Edgar's debut was filled with diverse influences, most importantly jazz.
Why would Hubbard have been concerned about drug use? Wasn't L. Ron one of the most notorious chain smokers of all time? I heard he even wrote nicotine into the religion he created. (He might have been right about perfume though-- it can very intense to those who are chemically sensitive, or like me, with a lung disease.) I don't remember Edgar being much of a druggy at all, but he was ALL about the music! He was always interested in metaphysics and spirituality, and it was an uplifting aspect to his songwriting. So many songs by him-- Miracle of Love, Diamond Eyes, Infinite Peace in Rhythm, Save the Planet, Good Morning Music-- have been inspirational to me. And "Jimmy's Gospel" is still the best example of his sax playing and speaks volumes of emotion through what is an entirely instrumental song.
It's funny. I found an upload on YT and the comments are fun and often favorable... with caveats. Thanks for the episode.
Frankenstein! Used to crank that up on AM radio!
This was so good, Mark! Thank you!
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thanks for the update. I always wondered what happened. I saw edgar when "frankenstein" was a hit. I read the 10 volume series in federal prison. scientology had a few inmates (80's). being somewhat depraved I enjoyed the story of corruption, sex and drugs.
Wow, great episode Mark!
Thank you!
Edgar Winter ................one of the Greats. thx for sharing this story.
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How could I have a question? That was very well explained, very comprehensive. Good work. I am now an Edgar Winter expert.
Great to hear!
Lrh’s books as a whole leave a lot to be desired to say the least 😂 Great video!
Yes! Thank you!
I love Edgar Winter and his musical talent and his music however I am sad that he had anything to do with this cult
'Still Alive and Well' is actually a Johnny Winter record.
Entertainers, man. Glad to have 'em around but let's face it, not the brightest bulbs on the tree.
Miscavige should join the group. He could be Nuclear Winter.
Great story look for more.
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When l was in fifth grade music class the teacher said bring a record to play in class. Every one of course brought like weight stuff. You had to and introduce the song and band . I brought Frankenstein, you should have seen the look on everybody’s face, it was PRICELESS. It’s when it first came out.
I saw Edgar Winter playing at Saint Hill, i think early 2000's. 🤔
Sad that he is involved with this cult, but great musician. I followed his brother first.
Todd in the Shadows did a Trainwreckords video about this album.
Great story
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i consider Edgar to be a dear friend. He and Monique are two of the kindest people I have ever know. I can't think of a single bad thing about Edgar. I have not talked to him in a few year since I left LA. However at the time when we would spend time together whether it was dinner at his place, going to the Baked Potato to see shows, etc Scientology was getting a bad reputation and I think it was around the time Tom Cruise started looking like a crazy person when he talked about it. I knew Edgar was a Scientologist, but he never talked about it. He was never preachy about it, nor ever tried to push it on me or anyone. I really wanted to ask him about it since I really disliked Scientology yet he was such a wonderful person. However I felt that if I brought it up it would feel like an attack on him. So I never did. There would be times when we would be driving around and he would put in tapes of Hubbard lecturing. I just remember thinking it was kind of weird, but seeing what a nice person Edgar was, I must have just not gotten it. It clearly was not having any sort of negative effect on Edgar.
Well when Hurricane Katrina hit, Scientology decided to put out a musical album to raise money for the victims. Edgar asked me to help him record some music for it. I remember asking him if he was going to use the Scientology musicians since it was a Scientology project. His response was something along the lines of "Hell no I am not going to use those weirdos."
I nearly laughed out loud and was relieved. I still to this day don't really understand his relationship with Scientology. I just know that whatever it is, he has always been one of the nicest most kind people I have ever met and s much as I dislike Scientology it never turned him into one of those cult like people. Scientology had a reputation that if people said anything negatively about it that those people were to be cut off. I never wanted to risk that asking would trigger that kind of response from Edgar. I doubt it would have because that just does not seem like it would be his personality. But his friendship meant to much to be worth the risk. If he had been a jerk or something I probably would have brought it up. His personality just doesn't seem to fit with Scientology as I know it so that was something to this day that still strikes my curiosity.
Thanks very much for sharing your personal experience and story. I felt the same way about Edgar and Monique. They were extremely nice and never a problem when I was with them. I enjoyed my time with him and I greatly appreciated his immense talent as a musician and singer. I was in Scientology at the time and have since left, but I understand the mentality of people that are involved in Scientology and how hard it is to get away from it. Thanks very much for watching.
Even think space jazz (battle field earth 🌍) was ok in parts. The road to freedom sssssuuuuuccccckkkkkeeeeddddd!
Hi 👋 from NY
Hello there!
As for mission earth, I thought at the time (it came out during my stint in co$; i thought the lyrics didn't seem to belong on a rock album, and that it seemed, musically, too complex for what it seemed to me to be trying to be. I've tried listening to it a couple of times since, but just couldn't stomach it, and didn't feel like analyzing why at those times.
Thanks for your feedback!
I was just going to say I like the power of source. Not a bad album of its type of jazz, which is kinda proto-fusion; I'd say (admittedly about 15 or so too late for proto-fusion).
What kind of films ?
I read the first 4 books in the MISSION EARTH dekalogy, and I got the distinct feeling that L. Ron Hubbard DIED sometime during the writing of that 4th book, with a talentless hack taking over the writing chores just to complete the epic, working from whatever Notes and Plot Outlines Hubbard may have left behind. Those first 3 and a half books were rather decent SF satires, and I remember being dumbfounded at how the quality just dropped like an anvil partway into Book 4. The quality was so bad from that spot onward that I just couldn't bear to slog my way through any more of it.
Thanks very much. I read the galleys of all the books before he died. However, he was in hiding during that time and just writing like crazy and going through health problems like strokes and was apparently on some medications. It is possible I think that his writing might have fallen off like you suggest.
is counseling any different than auditing?
No its the same thing. I just use the term counseling sometimes to make it easier for never in people to understand.
Idiotic demand about perfumes? I have to thank you for filling in so much info about what actually went down, and I really mean that!. But your low-toned bias comes across, and is telling.