Chopin’s Nocturne in C Sharp Minor, op. posth. [analysis]
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He also has another Nocturne in C sharp minor which is truly heartbreaking Op. 27 No. 1. One of his most haunting works.
I bought a version of this Nocturne which was said to have been found in some trunk in the attic of somebody's house in the early part of the 20th Century. The beginning of the main melody had a bit more ornamentation and the first theme of the B Section that resembles the 3rd Movement of the F Minor Concerto was simplified by Chopin presumably for his sister who might have trouble with 2 against 3 timing. Other than that, the version that I bought is the same as the one presented here. By the way, the little mazurka-like tune just after the melodies of the B Section that resemble those found in the F Minor Concert sound, to my ear, like the melody from one of Chopin's Polish Songs: "The Maiden's Wish". Thanks for going over this piece. It is charming. I think it did not get publish in Chopin's lifetime because of the resemblance of its themes to his Concerto.
You need to find a background without so many "hard edges". The camera automatically focus on the sharp lines, and bypass your soft facial features.
Happy to see Chopin again. Nice :D
Is ‘The Pianist’ not a film based on the story of polish pianist Wladyslaw Szpilman?
Eddie Hutchence it is
@@billerttv972 but I saw a ladies picture when she was talkin about this guy
@@bayareapianist Wladislaw Spielman wrote a book called Death of a City in which he recounts coming face to face with a German officer whilst he was in hiding because he was Jewish . He told the officer he was a pianist and played this piece , after which the good German helped him . In the film ''The Pianist '' which is based on the book they have him playing a Chopin Ballade instead . I guess Natalia Carp had a similar experience -I had never heard of her but will now google her.....
Very nice analysis! Something that is not very well known about this nocturne is that there is actually a second version of it based on Chopin's own autograph of the piece. The Henle score book of all of Chopin's nocturnes contains both of them and I personally prefer the autograph (version 20b). The most notable differences (at least for me) are that in the intro the first and second bass notes are C#s in the same octave (which gives a very light and "small sounding" introduction), the notation of the middle part (left hand in alla breve, right hand in 3/4, something I haven't seen anywhere else) as well as some different notes in the left hand during the main theme. If you - by chance - find this version somewhere, I would definitely recommend checking it out!
I really dislike how Henle doesn't give any fingering for that version though
I'd like to congratulate you on your videos. The joyful and passionate way you talk about music is amazing.
Gorgeous nocturne!
Luv these analysis.
I really enjoyed this video. This is my favorite of the nocturnes and I have just recently decided to try to tackle the nocturnes (and try not to butcher them). The last three measures are a real challenge for me. Thank you very much for this, you have provided some very valuable guidance!
One of my favorite
@pianoTV Chopin did write another C sharp minor nocturne, Op. 27 No. 1 :)
This is brilliant as I'm just about learning this piece
Out of curiosity, what's up with the frame on the latest videos?
yeah it is unnecessary
holiday spirit🎄🎁
There’s a dildo on the shelf she had to cover up...
Thx for the comparison between two pieces. It helped me a lot 🙏🌹
When i learned it i did the cadenzas dividing the n° of notes that they had with the n° of notes on the left hand. This way you have an even distribution and its easier to match the notes in both hands (except when it is an odd number, then you have a group with one more note ofc).
ah yes one of my favorites
The video is great! I love breakdowns of pieces I love, really nerdy stuff😆. However, when we have these world class Chopin interpreters, e.g. Birgitte Engerer or Maria Joao Pires, who have truly exquisite recordings of this very piece. Why do you opt for these sub-par recs, that sound like some not-so-serious high-school student?
I loved this piece so much when I was 12 years old that's I started translating every wards in its introduction page from English. I only had three pages of this piece. Introduction in English and page 1 and 2. For years I could only play two pages of this and I could not find it in any nocturnes books. I still have difficulties in page 3!
beautifully played . I think there are 2 posthumus nocturnes , both in C# minor . The other one is number 21 .Very helpful video , thank you.
what's the hardest piece you have ever played? Cool videos btw
Whoa, thank you so much, it's my favourite Chopin's nocturne 😌 always dreamt to learn it by heart :)
NO WAY. Im doing the final ajustments on this piece right now!What a perfect timing!
Personally, my biggest wall to overcome in this piece is actually the trills, not those rhytm differences. Never did trills before, and making them all sound effortless and match the piece's atmosphere is really a major challenge for me. I have the feeling i will definetly revisit this nocturne in the future when i get more confident on trills.
There are some very fine lectures here on TH-cam on how to make trills efforts as well as the types of trills they really helped me when learning this piece which ill perform tomorrow :)
1:49 Yes he has
This piece is part if my RCM exam, it will be in April 2019 so a big thank you for this video and all the great previous videos as well. I was watching lately you video about the baroque dances and I wish if you gave us some tips and tricks to identify the different dances by reading the sheet and not only by listening to the excerpt. As you certainty know part of grade 9 RCM harmony exam is to identify the dances and determine a rythm but I couldn't find any online resources thar explains the differences between the dances by analyzing the sheets (rythm, upbeat, form...) some of the dances have the same time signature and rythm and I find it very tricky to make the difference between them. Thank you and keep up the amazing work.
Get the class on this nocturne by Josh Wright. He charges $9 for it but it is worth. Much better than this video!
would you do the same for Schubert Impromptu Op 90 No 2 ?
OK WE GET
CHOPIN KS NE BEST COMPOSER EVER
in my opinion
You don't have to say your opinion batter your opinion
Thanks for such a simple explanation. I have a question. Would be really nice if you could answer. Since, G# major used in the above piece is not a part of chord progression of the key C# minor, does this make it a non-diatonic chord?
The thing about this piece is it is quite easy to dissect, VERY easy to play for intermediates but among one of the hardest songs by Chopin that you can master. You don’t realize it but mastering the tempo along with right hand lag while also controlling several pitches in several fingers is very very hard. I’ve been learning and studying it for about a year now and still have trouble on the key changes.
I think i played this piece. Its a very sad piece. It switches from sad to happy to sad. Im not sure what the chord progression was. But its a great piece that will surely hit you once you finish it to the end.
I've been playing this nocturne for the past 2 years but I still cant go through the 59th bar, it's a nightmare really... :D
Why the triplets part gets faster than the normal tempo of the piece while there are no markings for getting faster?
Where can we find that PFD version of it?
Didn't find it at imslp
Theres some on free scores.com. be very careful with the edition u get cuz some of them have wrong/missing notes (at the end of the B section)
Ohh! The video quality bumped up a bunch. Nice!!!
Could you imagine if noine had published this. Just because Chopin didnt want it to be. And even Fantaisie Impromptu
You skipped the end, the most beautiful part😭
12:13 ha missed a note
They also missed expression, a huge amount of it.
9:18 wrong sheet... This was his Piano Concerto NO.2
it would be nice if u talk more specific, like the scale changes and etc...
Great piece. Played this one before. This is one of my favorite nocturnes
He wrote another nocturne in c sharp minor, op. 27 no. 1
Nathan Mancarella, Chopin also wrote a piece called Nocturne Oubliée In C-Sharp Minor. So in reality Chopin wrote 3 nocturnes in C-Sharp Minor. That also means that he wrote 22 nocturnes.
@@violeta.s.v and yes both op27 and the Nocturne Oubliee are 2 other c sharp minor pieces, but no one actually knows if Oubliee was one of chopin minor work...
mbchc, Ok you do have a point there.
Not only that, but he has a second posthumous nocturne, also in a minor key. His simplest nocturne is the posthumous C minor nocturne.
Not that it matters but posthumous is pronounced paas·Chuh-muhs. Thank you for the video!
Wait. Chopin is dead??
he did write another C sharp minor nocturne, op 27 no 1, which is actually much better than this one
Verbato with piano? I think you won't make any sound effects if you shake your fingers while playing piano 😜
Your camera is on autofocus 🤣 it focuses on the books behind, turn it to manual focus so it focuses on you
Its fine until that bloody run at the end
This video has a lot of chatter while there is poor correlation between what is shown visually and what she talks about. Too little technical analysis, so summing up, a poor value.