I never made the connection between the spiral shard and the graven schools, the amount of parallels between concepts in the base game and the dlc is crazy. As for the the Elden Beast, I agree, it must have arrived at the latest just in time for Placidusax's reign.
hey, it's worth noting that Shard Spiral is in fact available before Sellen transforms, but only after she has taken up her control of the school and started research again into the primeval current (apologies if anyone else brought this up but i thought it relevant), it's my favourite spell so i grab it every time i do an int build >:3
Thanks for letting me know! I definitely did miss this, but thankfully I think the overall theory still holds up, instead of the schools “unlocking” the spiral, its the reverse.
Exceptional work! The parallels between the Graven Mass and Hornsent jars was probably my favourite discovery from he DLC but I never realised the full scope of its implications and I'm glad someone gave this topic the attention it deserves. I'm not sure if this would help with your future videos but you mentioned how the practice of Sorcerers embedding their souls into Glintstone dates back to the astrologers of the mountaintops but I think the origins were probably older since their creation seems to parallel the production of Sprite Stones which were created by the Rauh civilisation who we know the astrologers interacted with. There seems to be a sort of timeline of magical practices emerging here that traces the influence the older civilisations had on their successors (spritestones - primal glintstones - graven mass - hornsent jars - grafting) that I feel would be incredibly useful for future lore discussion. Speaking of spiral sorceries; I'd be really curious to hear your thoughts on the thorn sorceries since the concepts implied by their item description seem particularly relevant to the topics brought up in this video. TLDR: Great stuff man keep it up.
Thanks and good points! Especially about the thorn sorceries, since red glintstone is essentially a specific type of crucible amber (And therefore scales with faith) created through sacrifice. I haven’t pinned down my thoughts on the blood star enough to include it in this video but it’s definitely an interesting topic. As for the commonalities between Rauh and the astrologers, while I’m not fully convinced of the idea they existed at the same time, there’s definitely similar cultural practices so I’d agree they’re at least related.
Awesome video! You're honestly becoming one of my favorite Elden Ring lore channels and I have only recently discovered you. As a fan of everything Elden Ring, I have something I would like to share with you. I found an interesting detail that I haven't seen discussed anywhere and figured I would bring it up here. With the revelations in the DLC surrounding the Numen/Shaman and their connection to trees. I found the item descriptions relating to the Guardians of the Minor Erdtree's to be curious. From what I have understood is that the birth of the Erdtree is directly related to Marika's ascension to godhood. The Guardian Garb description mentions, "In accordance with an ancient pact with the Erdtree, it is said that their deaths led not to destruction, but instead to renewed, eternal life as guardians." But, if you acquire the Guardian Garb (Full Bloom) version the item description provides more context to their origins. It states, "It is said that the blood-red flowers blooming on their backs mark the senescence of their ancient pact. Perhaps the guardians are part tree already." Are the Guardians potentially what's left of Marika's people? I would be curious to hear your thoughts on this and maybe there are further connections that I have overlooked. Keep up the great work!
Thanks that means a lot! And that is an interesting detail! I’ll look into it more, specifically what the original Japanese says. It would be very interesting if the guardians were a tree-people from the start, as you’re proposing, but it could also be saying that they are simply turning into trees because they have been resurrected, marking their pact fulfilled.
Great video! That twinsage conspectus crown is very interesting. The Miquellan Knight's Sword also has amber in it if I remember correctly. I'm not sure if the description adds anything to this discussion, though.
Thanks! The Miquellan Knight Sword does have green/gold amber from the haligtree, and is modeled after the carian knight’s sword, I wasn’t quite sure what to make of it though so didn’t end up including it in the video. In the description it’s described as “Ill-starred” perhaps due to the haligtree’s decline. The word starred definitely feels intentional.
@@Stormking66324it’s the sun parallel of the carian knight sword being the moon. And farum azula and the sun have a connection as well which could draw a link between elphael and farum azula
Yo! I just want to let you know that you are one of my new favourite channels on all of YT. Your video on the 'Original Sin' was my first exposure and i was floored. You make great videos bro. Keep it up and i am 100% positive that you'll make it as far as you want. Hope you had a merry Christmas and great start to 2025! Love from Canada
I'd suggest checking out Hawkshaw's video on the importance of color in Elden Ring. Blue represents intellect and the rational mind. Red represents life itself and untamed emotion. Yellow represents chaos, madness, and despair. Gold, as the opposite of yellow, represent order, meaning, and divinity.
I'd like to hear your thougths on the difference between single-spirals like the Spira Incantation, Enir-Illim, and others ; and the double-spirals like the Glintstone Spiral, the blade made of radagon and the knife used by Ranni.
That’s an interesting question! The odd thing is that a lot of hornsent imagery contains the double spiral (specifically their seal, which even talks about the tower in its description). Enir Ilim isn’t actually complete, so perhaps the single spiral was intended to become a helix, but Marika sealing the tower prevented this?
@Stormking66324 Maybe, I dunno. I never thought about the difference between closed spirals and open spirals before this video, but I still think there's something important about single vs double spirals. A single spiral can never close by itself.
You made a minor mistake, the spiral shard has nothing to do with the graven school, you can buy it immediately after beating jerhyn. Sellen's grave form has no bearing on this, it makes sense too because it's a conspectus spell.
Do you think the ruin at the end of the procession of stars could have something to do with the law of regression? The stars expelling the last of their energy as things reach some kind of entropy state?
I think that Marika summoned the Elden Beast via the Lands Between using the life force contained and concentrated within the Gateway of Divinity, hence the Elden Beast being a golden (or rather, amber) star, as opposed to the lifeless (even literally, looking at the skull) Fallingstar Beasts
Death Lightning is the spiral. Gold = Life. Godwyn was supposed to be Elden Lord. Perhaps betrothed to Ranni. He was Golden because he could wield crucible powers immaculately, even transforming into a large bestial chimeric dragon that would glow gold. Like the Divine Beast which could wield powers of the storm as well as death blight. I have a side theory that the GEQ was a giant basilisk that Got defeated and Marika used the Rune of the Unborn to turn her into Baby Godwyn. Her link with the spiral (The Godslayer's Greatsword) and the crucible manifested within Godwyn despite Marika turning her into a Blonde, Masculine, Heroic man to keep it at bay.
So glad I found your channel! Your videos always give me something new to think about that many of the other bigger creators seem to overlook! Keep it up!
Spirals keep me up at night
All is vortex in 369
I’ve discovered why red is associated with gold. When you break gold metal down to a practically liquid state it is red.
I never made the connection between the spiral shard and the graven schools, the amount of parallels between concepts in the base game and the dlc is crazy. As for the the Elden Beast, I agree, it must have arrived at the latest just in time for Placidusax's reign.
Bro maxed out his int
hey, it's worth noting that Shard Spiral is in fact available before Sellen transforms, but only after she has taken up her control of the school and started research again into the primeval current (apologies if anyone else brought this up but i thought it relevant), it's my favourite spell so i grab it every time i do an int build >:3
Thanks for letting me know! I definitely did miss this, but thankfully I think the overall theory still holds up, instead of the schools “unlocking” the spiral, its the reverse.
Exceptional work! The parallels between the Graven Mass and Hornsent jars was probably my favourite discovery from he DLC but I never realised the full scope of its implications and I'm glad someone gave this topic the attention it deserves.
I'm not sure if this would help with your future videos but you mentioned how the practice of Sorcerers embedding their souls into Glintstone dates back to the astrologers of the mountaintops but I think the origins were probably older since their creation seems to parallel the production of Sprite Stones which were created by the Rauh civilisation who we know the astrologers interacted with. There seems to be a sort of timeline of magical practices emerging here that traces the influence the older civilisations had on their successors (spritestones - primal glintstones - graven mass - hornsent jars - grafting) that I feel would be incredibly useful for future lore discussion.
Speaking of spiral sorceries; I'd be really curious to hear your thoughts on the thorn sorceries since the concepts implied by their item description seem particularly relevant to the topics brought up in this video.
TLDR: Great stuff man keep it up.
Thanks and good points! Especially about the thorn sorceries, since red glintstone is essentially a specific type of crucible amber (And therefore scales with faith) created through sacrifice. I haven’t pinned down my thoughts on the blood star enough to include it in this video but it’s definitely an interesting topic. As for the commonalities between Rauh and the astrologers, while I’m not fully convinced of the idea they existed at the same time, there’s definitely similar cultural practices so I’d agree they’re at least related.
I feel like Rauh were the first astrologers before they were truly astrologers. 🤔
You’ve quickly become my favorite lore TH-camr. Banger after banger
Awesome video! You're honestly becoming one of my favorite Elden Ring lore channels and I have only recently discovered you. As a fan of everything Elden Ring, I have something I would like to share with you.
I found an interesting detail that I haven't seen discussed anywhere and figured I would bring it up here. With the revelations in the DLC surrounding the Numen/Shaman and their connection to trees. I found the item descriptions relating to the Guardians of the Minor Erdtree's to be curious. From what I have understood is that the birth of the Erdtree is directly related to Marika's ascension to godhood. The Guardian Garb description mentions, "In accordance with an ancient pact with the Erdtree, it is said that their deaths led not to destruction, but instead to renewed, eternal life as guardians." But, if you acquire the Guardian Garb (Full Bloom) version the item description provides more context to their origins. It states, "It is said that the blood-red flowers blooming on their backs mark the senescence of their ancient pact. Perhaps the guardians are part tree already."
Are the Guardians potentially what's left of Marika's people? I would be curious to hear your thoughts on this and maybe there are further connections that I have overlooked. Keep up the great work!
Thanks that means a lot! And that is an interesting detail! I’ll look into it more, specifically what the original Japanese says. It would be very interesting if the guardians were a tree-people from the start, as you’re proposing, but it could also be saying that they are simply turning into trees because they have been resurrected, marking their pact fulfilled.
Great video!
That twinsage conspectus crown is very interesting.
The Miquellan Knight's Sword also has amber in it if I remember correctly. I'm not sure if the description adds anything to this discussion, though.
Thanks! The Miquellan Knight Sword does have green/gold amber from the haligtree, and is modeled after the carian knight’s sword, I wasn’t quite sure what to make of it though so didn’t end up including it in the video. In the description it’s described as “Ill-starred” perhaps due to the haligtree’s decline. The word starred definitely feels intentional.
@@Stormking66324it’s the sun parallel of the carian knight sword being the moon. And farum azula and the sun have a connection as well which could draw a link between elphael and farum azula
This keeps getting better!
Amazing video. A class above many of the lore videos being made since the dlc
Yo! I just want to let you know that you are one of my new favourite channels on all of YT. Your video on the 'Original Sin' was my first exposure and i was floored. You make great videos bro. Keep it up and i am 100% positive that you'll make it as far as you want. Hope you had a merry Christmas and great start to 2025! Love from Canada
Thanks that means a lot! And I’m also from Canada!
I'd suggest checking out Hawkshaw's video on the importance of color in Elden Ring. Blue represents intellect and the rational mind. Red represents life itself and untamed emotion. Yellow represents chaos, madness, and despair. Gold, as the opposite of yellow, represent order, meaning, and divinity.
I'd like to hear your thougths on the difference between single-spirals like the Spira Incantation, Enir-Illim, and others ; and the double-spirals like the Glintstone Spiral, the blade made of radagon and the knife used by Ranni.
That’s an interesting question! The odd thing is that a lot of hornsent imagery contains the double spiral (specifically their seal, which even talks about the tower in its description). Enir Ilim isn’t actually complete, so perhaps the single spiral was intended to become a helix, but Marika sealing the tower prevented this?
@Stormking66324 Maybe, I dunno. I never thought about the difference between closed spirals and open spirals before this video, but I still think there's something important about single vs double spirals. A single spiral can never close by itself.
You made a minor mistake, the spiral shard has nothing to do with the graven school, you can buy it immediately after beating jerhyn. Sellen's grave form has no bearing on this, it makes sense too because it's a conspectus spell.
Uzumaki....
Do you think the ruin at the end of the procession of stars could have something to do with the law of regression? The stars expelling the last of their energy as things reach some kind of entropy state?
Yeah I did consider that! It would definitely fit with the idea of “the end of fate”.
The law of regression compels life to meld together. All must become One again.
I think that Marika summoned the Elden Beast via the Lands Between using the life force contained and concentrated within the Gateway of Divinity, hence the Elden Beast being a golden (or rather, amber) star, as opposed to the lifeless (even literally, looking at the skull) Fallingstar Beasts
Death Lightning is the spiral. Gold = Life. Godwyn was supposed to be Elden Lord. Perhaps betrothed to Ranni. He was Golden because he could wield crucible powers immaculately, even transforming into a large bestial chimeric dragon that would glow gold. Like the Divine Beast which could wield powers of the storm as well as death blight.
I have a side theory that the GEQ was a giant basilisk that Got defeated and Marika used the Rune of the Unborn to turn her into Baby Godwyn. Her link with the spiral (The Godslayer's Greatsword) and the crucible manifested within Godwyn despite Marika turning her into a Blonde, Masculine, Heroic man to keep it at bay.
ya cooked great job :)
I hope you don't become a ball man this knowledge is some primeval current type shit
To late…
So glad I found your channel! Your videos always give me something new to think about that many of the other bigger creators seem to overlook! Keep it up!
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