I found there was a bit of a balance to be struck. For example, I could never watch shows that were straight up designed for babies.... even though they were the 'easiest to understand'. For that reason I never suggested to anyone to start with content like that. Stuff that was easy to comprehend WITHOUT any language at all worked best for me. If I knew and was entertained by what was going on just visually, layering the Japanese dialogue over the top worked perfectly. Hard to find content like that though lol. I re-watched a lot of films I knew off by heart in J-Dubbed versions.
@@mowgli123456789 Thats true I guess you also need to keep pushing to understand more advanced content. I've seen lot of Japanese people just watch peppa pig everyday because thats all that they understand lol Yea definitely hard to find things like that. Watching J dubbed movies sounds like a really good idea. For me tho I used to just watch some youtubers who made short videos with crazy editing and stuff so it kept me engaged visually lol
@@oojiman hmm valid point. I guess that’s why I’ve watched Eva since I finished RRTK. The visuals and colors are nice. And there’s a broad spectrum of difficulty; shinji and rei’s speech being some of the easiest, the other teens and young adults being harder, and Seele + Gendo/Fuyutski being some of the least contemporary speech. The command terms/battle speech is something to get used to/learn, too.
i've never been too deep in the "language learning methods" rabbit hole, but i've been dreaming of mastering JP some day and your channel is legitimately one of the only things that inspire to come back to it and try again no matter how many times i fail
yo mate im in yr 11 rn and almost done rtk and i cant belive you got jlpt 1 in 10 months, you are a true legend and i hope i can reach you level bro cheers from nz
Thats good as you're already almost done rtk this early! I think I finished rtk in the summer holidays from yr 11 to 12 or maybe a lil bit earlier. Dont worry bro you'll easy get to my level in a few years you still got heaps of time
i definitely think there's something to the practical knowledge of speaking once you have a decent level of understanding. It makes anything you learn so much more relevant and attaches emotions to words and sentences, such that it becomes instantly more memorable how to say things in a certain way
I personally think the time you start outputting is largely irrelevant as long as you don't self impose a plateau by becoming comfortable with what ever level you're at during any given stage of development. The recent trend in pitch accent, to me, proves that progression in output can be endless (at least up to native-like..) as long as you don't get comfortable and always question if you could be/sound better. If sounding as native-like as possible is important to you, then there is no reason to not be consciously trying to think where to improve. And if you do that, you will.... there is no reason why a terrible sounding early out-putter would be fixed at that level any more than they would be fixed in the state of having a relatively small vocabulary.
Yea that definitely makes a lot of sense. Most people I have met with really unnatural sounding grammar and pronunciation have thought that their Japanese was perfect so that definitely lines up with what you're saying there about them becoming comfortable with their level of Japanese
Did you watch a lot of youtube with japanese subtitles? I can understand like 70-80% with subs but watching raw i barely understand. Do I just watch need to watch more raw? I have about 200hrs of active listening.
A lot of them had hard subs so not much i could do about that. But i watched a lot of gaming vids with no subs too so that helped a lot. Yeah id say the next step from there would just be to transition over to raw content. Shouldnt take much to start to understand that too I think. Maybe just a few more hours
great story man. passing jlpt n1 in such a short time amazed me. I'd like to ask for ur advice if possible. I'm registered to n3 that comes up in 1 month and right now I can pass n4 with struggle. So what would u recommend so that I could pass n3 even barely?
Seems Matt has had to loosen up a bit on his anti output early stance. Like 3.5 plus years ago, he was pretty solid on discouraging outputting until you had a pretty strong intermediate level of comprehension, at least. He has deleted some of those older videos stating that but he still doesn't promote speaking early. I follow a variety of language coaches, not just MIA types and there is zero doubt that those that speak pretty early advance much faster . Yes, "speak from day one" for Japanese is a bit ridiculous cuz of how different the language is from English, but speaking from about an A2 level, will help you make way faster progress. The proof is all over the place. When I used to politely point that out to Matt, he would delete my comments hahaha..... Yeah, taking a long time immersing by listening to fun content until you reach a strong B2 level is low stress and maybe more fun, but most will progress slower. So you speaking early certainly helped you accelerate your progress. No doubt about that👍
@@oojiman Lol, way back in early 2020 I had started looking for ways to make some money online using my Japanese (~MIA 2y-ish), and I got tipped off that VTuber translation channels were the way to go. After I got monetized I started grinding 2 videos/day which was pretty lucrative for maybe like 4 months. Pretty much this whole year I've toned it down to just uploading the occasional video since the returns started dropping, especially factoring in that I've got other people doing most of the video editing & translation. It's harder to get views now due to more competition from similar channels, but for the ones that are getting views the earnings are insane. (Revenue per k views for VTuber clip channels = ~$1 usd, multiply that by some of the bigger channel's views to see how much they earn.) It's an interesting way to make money online alright.
My experience learning Mandarin Chinese was that doing a massive amount of shadowing native content had an equally massively positive impact on my accent, intonation, rhythm and overall Chinese-ness of my speech once I finally started using the language for real while living in China. The main tools I used were shadowing TH-cam videos (for example there was a speech by Jack Ma that I shadowed hundreds of times), as well as using Glossika to force output and get immediate correction / shadowing of the native sentence (in that case I got about 100,000 reps shadowing sentences in both the Taiwan and Beijing Mandarin versions of Glossika). So it’s a bit different than what you or others might mean by “early output” but for me it was highly effective.
Thanks for the video! How did you deal with rare and exotic keywords in rtk? Also, how did you feel after the rtk when you knew a lot of single kanji meanings, but not the words?
Another banger! Inspirational stuff! I also output right from the start but i don't think it affected my japanese in a bad way at all. I think my accent would be just as bad as it is now if i stopped myself from outputting in the early stages, because i think that there is a lot of actual practice needed to get your mouth accustomed to mimicking the sounds of the language before you get good at speaking in the first place. The only thing that was definitely affected is my pitch accent, but thats because i didn't even know of it's existence back when i first started outputting a lot. I think that if you start outputting while being aware of pitch accent from the start (and also actively study it ofc) there shouldn't be a problem. For me, outputting early was great, because it actually motivated me to immerse more in order to understand more of what my friends were saying and not sound like a baby myself lmao
I'm glad to see im not the only one who felt that. I see what you mean definitely knowing about pitch accent from the start probably really helped me to stay more aware of my pronunciation i think. I know what you mean ! It definitely motivated me a lot more to immerse too since I felt so incompetent when trying to speak with my friends too haha
You're awesome mate, so cool to see someone else learning Japanese who's into MMA as well! Edit: Mind if I ask where you train? I have a Japanese learning channel too (Jouzu Juls) and I also do MMA, granted I have no desire to be a pro fighter, I just enjoy it. Would love to collab with you one day in both Japanese and MMA! (I was mainly at 10th Planet Melbourne)
Oh nice sounds like a good place to train! Yea I train at absolute mma usually in the cbd! That'd be awesosome to do a collab sometime when things open up again soon!
I had one but it was just a bad vid so i unlisted it but ive still got that one talking to my friend up which is me talking for like 20mins in japanese
60 cards a day for 10 months without pause is utterly bonkers, how many reviews was that at its peak? did you say focusing on mma, or anime? you do look like an mma guy I cant lie.
Ahaha yeah im an amature mma fighter and ye i said mma. I think at max it was like 500 or something cards a day maybe even 600. It was really terrible lol never would actually reccomend that to anyone lmao
@@oojiman yeah no way man. I did 60 cards a day of the last few days of old-school rtk, and I just deleted the deck and didn't even review the stuff after a couple days. Yeah you do have that mma/bjj look haha.
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TH-camrs I mainly watched:
-マホト
-東海オンエア
-みきぽん
-レペゼン地球
-朝倉未来
-ヒカル
-わいわいのゲーム実況チャンネル
Podcasts I mainly listened to:
-本田健の人生相談
-大阪の一般人によるポッドキャスト
-恋愛、婚活の専門家JURIの『野獣でも美女を捕まえる』テクニック
英語学習中の日本人です。AJATT英語バージョンで学習中です。
僕も頑張ります。
yeah that's one thing that i dont think gets enough emphasis: comprehensibility *IS* entertainment a lot of times
Yea it really isn't it. Which is why I was able to watch hours of みきぽん at a time lmao
I found there was a bit of a balance to be struck. For example, I could never watch shows that were straight up designed for babies.... even though they were the 'easiest to understand'. For that reason I never suggested to anyone to start with content like that.
Stuff that was easy to comprehend WITHOUT any language at all worked best for me. If I knew and was entertained by what was going on just visually, layering the Japanese dialogue over the top worked perfectly. Hard to find content like that though lol. I re-watched a lot of films I knew off by heart in J-Dubbed versions.
@@mowgli123456789 Thats true I guess you also need to keep pushing to understand more advanced content. I've seen lot of Japanese people just watch peppa pig everyday because thats all that they understand lol
Yea definitely hard to find things like that. Watching J dubbed movies sounds like a really good idea. For me tho I used to just watch some youtubers who made short videos with crazy editing and stuff so it kept me engaged visually lol
@@oojiman hmm valid point. I guess that’s why I’ve watched Eva since I finished RRTK. The visuals and colors are nice. And there’s a broad spectrum of difficulty; shinji and rei’s speech being some of the easiest, the other teens and young adults being harder, and Seele + Gendo/Fuyutski being some of the least contemporary speech. The command terms/battle speech is something to get used to/learn, too.
i've never been too deep in the "language learning methods" rabbit hole, but i've been dreaming of mastering JP some day and your channel is legitimately one of the only things that inspire to come back to it and try again no matter how many times i fail
Honestly makes me so happy to hear that I really do find success in mastering Japanese. Just stick with it and I'm sure you will be able to
yo mate im in yr 11 rn and almost done rtk and i cant belive you got jlpt 1 in 10 months, you are a true legend and i hope i can reach you level bro cheers from nz
Thats good as you're already almost done rtk this early! I think I finished rtk in the summer holidays from yr 11 to 12 or maybe a lil bit earlier. Dont worry bro you'll easy get to my level in a few years you still got heaps of time
i definitely think there's something to the practical knowledge of speaking once you have a decent level of understanding. It makes anything you learn so much more relevant and attaches emotions to words and sentences, such that it becomes instantly more memorable how to say things in a certain way
Yea definitely, I think so too
I personally think the time you start outputting is largely irrelevant as long as you don't self impose a plateau by becoming comfortable with what ever level you're at during any given stage of development.
The recent trend in pitch accent, to me, proves that progression in output can be endless (at least up to native-like..) as long as you don't get comfortable and always question if you could be/sound better.
If sounding as native-like as possible is important to you, then there is no reason to not be consciously trying to think where to improve. And if you do that, you will.... there is no reason why a terrible sounding early out-putter would be fixed at that level any more than they would be fixed in the state of having a relatively small vocabulary.
Yea that definitely makes a lot of sense. Most people I have met with really unnatural sounding grammar and pronunciation have thought that their Japanese was perfect so that definitely lines up with what you're saying there about them becoming comfortable with their level of Japanese
@@oojiman Same with any other skill - Its always the people that are worried they suck that are actually good... or in the process of becoming good :)
Did you watch a lot of youtube with japanese subtitles? I can understand like 70-80% with subs but watching raw i barely understand. Do I just watch need to watch more raw? I have about 200hrs of active listening.
A lot of them had hard subs so not much i could do about that. But i watched a lot of gaming vids with no subs too so that helped a lot. Yeah id say the next step from there would just be to transition over to raw content. Shouldnt take much to start to understand that too I think. Maybe just a few more hours
You are a inspiration, keep it up bro, do videos with your's japanese homies
Thank you so much. Yea I'll definitely put out some videos with them soon
great story man. passing jlpt n1 in such a short time amazed me. I'd like to ask for ur advice if possible. I'm registered to n3 that comes up in 1 month and right now I can pass n4 with struggle. So what would u recommend so that I could pass n3 even barely?
Use jisho.org to find words for jlpt at each level and then use anki to memorise them. Then just immerse a heap and you should be good to go I reckon
Seems Matt has had to loosen up a bit on his anti output early stance. Like 3.5 plus years ago, he was pretty solid on discouraging outputting until you had a pretty strong intermediate level of comprehension, at least. He has deleted some of those older videos stating that but he still doesn't promote speaking early.
I follow a variety of language coaches, not just MIA types and there is zero doubt that those that speak pretty early advance much faster . Yes, "speak from day one" for Japanese is a bit ridiculous cuz of how different the language is from English, but speaking from about an A2 level, will help you make way faster progress. The proof is all over the place.
When I used to politely point that out to Matt, he would delete my comments hahaha.....
Yeah, taking a long time immersing by listening to fun content until you reach a strong B2 level is low stress and maybe more fun, but most will progress slower. So you speaking early certainly helped you accelerate your progress. No doubt about that👍
Roto Ozekiさんの"Japanese Tier List"動画からあなたのチャンネルを見つけました！俺もMattさんの動画で同じ時期(2018)くらいに日本語を勉強し始めたけど、ポッドキャストとかユーチューブとかの難しいトピックでも結構問題なく楽しめますが、まったくOutputしていないせいで話すのが超苦手です。一方、あなたの日本語の流暢さはまじでヤバくてびっくりしました。
Mattさんの動画を見て、既に理解力が高いレベルでなければOutputしてもアクセントに悪影響を与えかねないというスタンスだったんだけど、あなたの動画を見て「別にそうじゃなかったな…」と思いました。
俺もこれからOutputにフォーカスしていきたいと思います
動画ありがとうございます！
Thanks so much! Also bruh you got the maddest channel I've ever seen ahaha how did you get into doing translations like that?
@@oojiman Lol, way back in early 2020 I had started looking for ways to make some money online using my Japanese (~MIA 2y-ish), and I got tipped off that VTuber translation channels were the way to go. After I got monetized I started grinding 2 videos/day which was pretty lucrative for maybe like 4 months. Pretty much this whole year I've toned it down to just uploading the occasional video since the returns started dropping, especially factoring in that I've got other people doing most of the video editing & translation. It's harder to get views now due to more competition from similar channels, but for the ones that are getting views the earnings are insane. (Revenue per k views for VTuber clip channels = ~$1 usd, multiply that by some of the bigger channel's views to see how much they earn.)
It's an interesting way to make money online alright.
My experience learning Mandarin Chinese was that doing a massive amount of shadowing native content had an equally massively positive impact on my accent, intonation, rhythm and overall Chinese-ness of my speech once I finally started using the language for real while living in China. The main tools I used were shadowing TH-cam videos (for example there was a speech by Jack Ma that I shadowed hundreds of times), as well as using Glossika to force output and get immediate correction / shadowing of the native sentence (in that case I got about 100,000 reps shadowing sentences in both the Taiwan and Beijing Mandarin versions of Glossika). So it’s a bit different than what you or others might mean by “early output” but for me it was highly effective.
Thats cool to hear that shadowing was so effective for you. I never did much shadowing really but its interesting how effective some people find it
NGL for awhile I kept hearing about Pete Jackson and wonder who IS that guy? Congratulations for all of the hard work at such a young age.
Thanks for the video! How did you deal with rare and exotic keywords in rtk? Also, how did you feel after the rtk when you knew a lot of single kanji meanings, but not the words?
Another banger! Inspirational stuff!
I also output right from the start but i don't think it affected my japanese in a bad way at all. I think my accent would be just as bad as it is now if i stopped myself from outputting in the early stages, because i think that there is a lot of actual practice needed to get your mouth accustomed to mimicking the sounds of the language before you get good at speaking in the first place. The only thing that was definitely affected is my pitch accent, but thats because i didn't even know of it's existence back when i first started outputting a lot. I think that if you start outputting while being aware of pitch accent from the start (and also actively study it ofc) there shouldn't be a problem. For me, outputting early was great, because it actually motivated me to immerse more in order to understand more of what my friends were saying and not sound like a baby myself lmao
I'm glad to see im not the only one who felt that. I see what you mean definitely knowing about pitch accent from the start probably really helped me to stay more aware of my pronunciation i think. I know what you mean ! It definitely motivated me a lot more to immerse too since I felt so incompetent when trying to speak with my friends too haha
You're awesome mate, so cool to see someone else learning Japanese who's into MMA as well!
Edit: Mind if I ask where you train? I have a Japanese learning channel too (Jouzu Juls) and I also do MMA, granted I have no desire to be a pro fighter, I just enjoy it. Would love to collab with you one day in both Japanese and MMA! (I was mainly at 10th Planet Melbourne)
Thanks so much mate! I appreciate the support and you've got a cool channel yourself! I just subbed!
@@oojiman Just editted the comment ^^
Oh nice sounds like a good place to train! Yea I train at absolute mma usually in the cbd! That'd be awesosome to do a collab sometime when things open up again soon!
Nice, I was also in japan in jan 2020.
Good job mate
Thanks mate
Ten bucks saids that one dislikes from 4 Chan
100% one of the 4chan betas ahaha
could you please share their TH-cam channel
Oh true i forgot to write all that stuff
Bro, are you fluent in Slovak yet? Do your parents speak it?
Did you use to have a video entirely in Japanese? I can’t seem to find it
I had one but it was just a bad vid so i unlisted it but ive still got that one talking to my friend up which is me talking for like 20mins in japanese
60 cards a day for 10 months without pause is utterly bonkers, how many reviews was that at its peak? did you say focusing on mma, or anime? you do look like an mma guy I cant lie.
Ahaha yeah im an amature mma fighter and ye i said mma. I think at max it was like 500 or something cards a day maybe even 600. It was really terrible lol never would actually reccomend that to anyone lmao
@@oojiman yeah no way man. I did 60 cards a day of the last few days of old-school rtk, and I just deleted the deck and didn't even review the stuff after a couple days. Yeah you do have that mma/bjj look haha.
nice head peanut
I thought I was a lemon
epic