Pamela Franklin was a superb young actress and was a child star as well,she had quite a good career in America she was in Six Million Dollar Man,Fantasy Island etc,is she still acting? Because if she isn't it's a great shame😢
@@stephenbaker5413 She quit because, after going to Hollywood, she was pigeonholed in TV roles. She married another actor and they and their son have a bookshop in L.A. She is one of my favorite actresses ever, and, although I've read she's very happy (and certainly has had a much longer marriage than most stars who stayed in the business), I do selfishly wish she had done more acting roles and received more accolades.
Gosh! Is that Celia Johnson? I was looking for videos of the late and great Maggie, wasn't expecting to see Celia. I saw her in "In Which We Serve", "Brief Encounter" and "Astonished Heart"- wonderful actress. She looks so changed here, could hardly recognise her.
@@tomodonovan5931 Miss Brodie's teaching methods involved pretending to teach mathematics while telling about her dead love, uplifting fascist dictators, and selecting which student she thought should be the lover to her ex-lover. Although of course she didn't know all of that, but she knew the girls were bad at math and Miss Brodie showed inappropriate favoritism to her "set."
Maggie Smith richly deserved the Oscar she won, but in this scene one's eyes are continually drawn to nineteen-year-old Pamela Franklin as she faces down the teacher she once admired and has now betrayed to the headmistress. This is one of the greatest scenes between two actors ever filmed.
And her accent - or should I say eccent? - was impeccable. I-M-P-E-C-C-A-B-L-E, from the prefix "im", meaning "not", and the Latin "peccare" meaning "to sin". Which is to say, it was spot on. The Oscar was more than deserved.
Jean Brodie was a monster. This was an amazing performance from Maggie Smith and the rest of the cast. I saw this on the tv at thirteen and was appalled by her 😂
This is probably the best scene in the unforgettable movie The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie, this scene with Maggie Smith and Pamela Franklin. Maggie Smith gave a brilliant and haunting performance as Miss Brodie, one of the most deserving Best Actress Oscar winners. Pamela Franklin was also excellent in the role of Sandy who is advanced beyond her age. The two actresses couldn't have been better in this movie. Miss Franklin definitely deserved a Best Supporting Actress nomination as did Celia Johnson as the headmistress. All of them did wonderful accents of women from Scotland. I never get tired of watching this classic movie.
Pamala Franklin said it was a mistake going to the States, career wise. Those in the profession only saw her as a TV actress. When you see this scene you realise what a wonderful film actress she was and one concludes could only have climbed higher.
A wonderful actor once described good acting as essentially "listening and simply reacting." My God, this is a master class of show-casing acting with this idea front and centre. Maggie Smith is forever brilliant, but much credit goes to Pamela Franklin - she wholly held her own (as Sandy) in this scene and withered not a bit when it fully mattered.
Franklin should have been at least nominated for an an Oscar--if not the win--for portraying Sandy. She deserved one for "The legend of Hell House", too.
@salaciousness Mary thought that she was headed to find a long side. Her brother let miss Brody hot that the brother was fighting WITH Franco when in actually, he was fighting against Franco. So basically, Mary was headed to fight against her brother! Jean brodie was so consumed with her own fantasy that she didn't even bother to find out which army the brother was fighting for.
Stunningly memorable dialogue in this recognition scene, a wonderful climax to the film. Great acting performances, yes, but only made possible by great writing.
The writing is by Jay Presson Allen (with director Ronald Neame). There is no final confrontation in Spark's novel, which has an unusual flashback/forward structure.
I was awestruck in 1969 when I first saw this film and now as an old man of 74 that feeling has never left me. Maggie Smith and the entire cast are a masterclass of acting! Maggie"s Jean Brodie is performance is at the TOP of one of the greatest portrayals in the history of cinema!
That split second where the façade drops for Miss Brodie when Sandy asks what she will do now, only to lapse right back into her toxic nonsense… Breathtaking scene.
Maggie Smith left us today so I came to view this scene once more. She has been one of our greatest actors ever. Here, of course, her fellow players shine brilliantly too, Muriel Spark’s creation of Jean Brodie is an astonishing achievement on the page, and the dialogue adaptation here is superb. But it’s Maggie who ascends to the height of artistic greatness in this scene, one reason she became beloved and admired the world over.
*_RIP_* Maggie❤She lived a long fulfilled life, but will still be sorely missed. I can remember this movie always being shown in highlights of her work, which always stood out to me because it was the youngest I'd ever seen her in anything. With her passing, I think I'll finally get around to watching 'Jean Brodie' during these next few days.
If Miss Brodie had belonged to a teachers' union she would have had at least a hearing to defend herself against the rather vague charges. Without a union teachers are often at the mercy of revengeful and jealous principals and or handpicked committees that care nothing about teachers and their concerns.
Pamela Franklin is simply amazing. She goes from young school girl to shattered innocent to responsible young woman going toe to toe with her unbalanced, pathetic mentor. And winning. Sublime, infinitely nuanced performance. So, so underrated and so, so sadly forgotten. Far better than any supporting actress since.
Miss Brodie is indeed unbalanced and, from many viewpoints, pathetic. She is a genuine narcissist. But she also has a true magnificence and a sharp intelligence - the impact she had on her girls' lives was not all negative, despite what Sandy thinks in this scene. Part of the greatness of Smith's performance over the film is she captures that. The (very good) book also captures that because it can, being a book, have a lot more exposition.
@@kenoliver8913 Very well observed. Miss Brodie's narcissism is like, yet utterly unlike, two contemporary narcissists, Meghan Markle and Donald Trump. There is as you say, an underlying magnificence to hers, with a strong positive undercurrent. Muriel Spark wrote a masterpiece with this book, as did the actresses who brought it to life.
I wonder if much was said regarding the paedophile teacher at the time or was it just brushed off as one of those things, where teachers took occasional advantage.
Pamela Franklin played Flora, one of the two ghost-haunted children, in The Innocents (1961), a screen adaptation of Henry James's The Turn of the Screw, starring Deborah Kerr. So two fine performances at a young age!
& how many guys take advantage of girls, women, .... Bcz they're not interested in the girls', womens"' Minds. Women get "burned," all the time, & no one gives a flip.
I saw this on TV some years ago and was blown away by Maggie’s acting in this film. Until that day when this was on television I’ve only really known Maggie as an ‘older’ actor either as a: reverend mother, strict old lady in the Secret Garden, racist old lady in “Marigold Hotel,” and McGonagall. So it’s a treat to see her as a young woman playing such a manipulative character like Jean Brodie.
I am the same age as Pamela Franklin and was a huge fan of hers always. It was because of her I watched this movie when it was new, and was introduced to Maggie Smith. When I watched Miss Smith in any role- Poor Aunt Charlotte, Maggie McGonagall or Judith Herne, I always imagined that character had once been Jean Brodie.
Maggie is and always will be an icon. But nineteen year old, Pamela Franklin did a brilliant job with this supporting role. Too bad she quit acting. I hope it was her choice, and she wasn't forced out of the industry. However, she did become a great bodybuilder. So I'm guessing she was always one to be an achiever. Great movie! ❤❤
The 1970s was not a good decade for actresses. Very few good roles for women, and only a handful of stars getting them. The likes of Maggie Smith, Judy Dench and Diana Rigg achieved career longevity by being accomplished in theatre as well as film and television.
Ms Franklin said going to the States was a bad career move. She was seen as only a TV actress. They only had to look at her resume to see differently. Jenny Agutter face the same sort of thing. On being considered for Logan's Run the director only saw her as "Jenny Augutter The Railway Children." It took a lot of convincing for him to see her differently.
Anyone who admires Pamela Franklin as an actress should look at her first great performance as Flora in "The Innocents", probably the greatest ghost story ever filmed. Anyone who -- as a child! -- can hold the screen opposite Deborah Kerr is unequivocally the Real Deal.
I'm with you - to carry her own with Deborah Kerr at such a young age, and then this 8 years later with Maggie Smith...well, I fell in love with her in the early seventies when I first started college. She deserve to higher level career.
Deborah Kerr said the movie, which was not a success upon realse, was under appropriated in it's time. I believe Pamala Franklin was 11 years old when she made that movie but looked so much younger.
That was, of course, a *directed* performance, elicited by director Jack Clayton. Young Pamela didn't even understand the story. But check her out in "The Third Secret" (1964). You can see her developing into a skilled actress at fourteen.
I honestly hope no one tries to do a remake of this movie, no actress could do this role any justice, Dame Maggie made this her own, every thing she did was perfection, she was a great actress and national treasure.
Amazing performances. Franklin should at least have had an oscar nod that year, and could even have won over Hawn. Had there been a tie as the year before, Smith and Jean Simmons were both deserving for best actress.
Omg Goldie Hawn and Pamela wasn't even nominated? Ridiculous! Never cared for the contrived acting of Hawn! Even on Laugh-in the ditsy blond image had been done a thousand times before!
I remember loving this movie as a young girl. I just thought it was so wonderful. I’m 61 now so I was a kid when this movie came out lol but It had quite an impact on me.
Watching this again I appreciate just what an amazing performance Pamela Franklin gave; also that I never realised that the actress also played the ever so slightly creepy little girl in another superlative film - "The Innocents'
Her performance in "The Innocents" can be credited to director Jack Clayton. Franklin, aged 11, didn't even understand the story. But check out "The Third Secret" (1964), where she shows remarkable growth in a difficult role at age 14.
This film made me want to be an actor and a teacher.40 years later I am still putting young actors on the stage.Only a handful of actors are legend and even less are my heroes.Dame Maggie Smith was both . Sadly and wonderfully, suddenly.... Heaven,just became more entertaining.
The late Dame Maggie Smith was brilliant playing the role of a school teacher, and her being the winner of the Oscar for best actress was very well deserved. Thanks for the legacy you left us.
Great acting. Maggie Smith is pure perfection... Don't think anybody else could play this role as well as she did. I'd love to see all the cast together today. I'm sure theirs some still living
Magnificent ! - Brilliant ! These two fine actors really showcased their talent in this scene. Wish that Pamela Franklin would have gotten greater parts like here to bring out her talent, love how she just walks calmly as Maggie screams ASSASSIN !! Ooo...So Cold ....
>>Ooo...So Cold .... Well exept that the next scen (the end of the movie) shows her (and the other girls) leaving school at the end of the school day and a tear goes down her cheek (whilst Miss Brodies line "Give me a girl at an impressionable age..." plays). So not so cold I would suggest. Actually, if anyone is cold (or perhaps not "cold" but calcuating?) it'sMiss Brodie setting up her pupil Jenny as the lover of Mr Lloyd.
This was a great film and she kept her. Dignity up to the end. She played a very good part. And a romantic part but kept her sprit up. Loved this film. She had all the other teachers jealous of her.
Did anyone else find this scene incredibly cathartic? This is kinda personal, but my grandma was such a toxic narcissist (and yes I know those are two terms that are thrown around too much these days but seriously, the woman absolutely fit both words) that I consider anyone who allowed their children within ten miles of her to be guilty of child abuse. I wish my parents had protected me from her. Anyway, Pamela Franklin in this scene says everything I wish I had said to my grandma. It's amazing how many meanings or life parallels can be gleaned from just one film scene
I thought that just a minute ago. My father is a narcissist. The character is exhibiting the classic behavior of course back in the day we didn't have a label for it.
There is no doubt that this scene is INTENDED to be cathartic - that is what, in classical drama, is meant to happen in the recognition scene (when the central truths of the plot are revealed and the hero/heroine's illusions are torn away). Recognition scenes are usually also the drama's climax, as this one is.
This film is a classic formula of a femmes fatale. Jean Brodie represents Venus the classic beauty, pride, frivolous desire, and love, always wanting to be on a pedestal and while Sandy represents Diana the moon goddess a huntress waiting patiently for the kill, cold, calculating, insight, and honesty. This film is wonderfully done.
I was too young to see this movie at the time. Never saw it. But, I have a dvd of the secret garden, & Maggie Smith's hair, voice, & attitude are Exactly the Same, in both movies, even though, they're decades apart.
As many other comments here seem to agree, Pamela Franklin was great in this film. As a male college freshman when I first saw this, I fell in love with her - and I don't think I ever got over it. She really deserved a higher level career.
@@markwhitman9029 Just because you can’t stomach Meryl, doesn’t mean that she shouldn’t be look up to as an example by drama students… Meryl is one of the greatest actresses alive, along with Dame Maggie and many others… Pushing one legend down the bus to uplift another, doesn’t really help your flawed argument…
you know, when I read your posts, some are so sad. I know that the 2008 financial crisis hit you hard. But did you manage to get ahead? Do you have a family? Children? Obviously, it can also be a nightmare but most of the time, it can be comforting. Become you seem active, do you get some satisfaction out of it? I agree with you:getting older in not much fun. But I am a bit exentrix, according to people around me,also a bit of a child women. enjoying making imitation, criticizing politics...Am I happy? Some time. Do I think being death would better? Probably. I laugh, entertain people, smile...and feel dark inside. But it is easier to hold.that darkness. :-)
I have always loved this movie...but I don't understand why everybody is saying that Pamela Franklin steals the scenes. I never once watched this movie to see Pamela..I watched this movie to see Maggie Smith and her interactions with the others.
I would say over the years I have watched the movie repeatedly more for Pamela. A remarkably powerful and insightful performance which is perfect to play against Maggie Smith's theatrical character.
It's not a matter of "stealing scenes." It's just that Sandy is the character who really evolves in the course of the film. Brodie, in all of Smith's splendid realization, remains stuck in her unfortunate pose.
5:48 and 8:04 Outstanding performance. Look at her way to walk, look and talk simultaneously... AMAZING!!! The great Maggie Smith... the British Meryl Streep!!
Yes, she was also an avid reader and was so proficient she did the crossword puzzles with a pen. Apparently she was also blind as a bat and wore lenses that looked like the bottom of a coke bottle. Ha ha. JD
Pamela Franklin should have won the Oscar for best supporting actress. She steals every scene she is in with the amazing Maggie Smith. You can't take your eyes off of her and her portrayal of Sandy is the heart of the movie. I can't take the Academy Awards seriously after that oversight.
Wow. I didn't see it that way at all. I think I have to go back and watch the whole film. Many people here, you particularly eloquently, are singing Ms. Franklin's praises. I thought, this is why we didn't hear much from Franklin -- it's prosaic and hard. But perhaps I am very wrong. I must report back after learning more.
Hardly... She is a robot... and automaton... a one note performance. She's no longer even acting. Maggie Smith, in contrast, gives a performance of wide ranging emotion. And her subsequent career only supports the decision of the academy in awarding her the Oscar for this fine performance.
Timothy Griffith The Oscars are often awarded to people who don't deserve it and those that *do* deserve it are overlooked. They make stupid choices sometimes.
It's an incredible scene this, what Sandy says is so powerful. Brodie is temporarily winded by being told the truth but like a true narcissist she quickly regains her self importance back and blames everyone but herself.
@@HuntingViolets I liked her both movies. This was made before I was born. I found out about her after watching her in Sister Act . Then, I checked out this movie
Pamela Franklin was astonishingly great in this.
She was very pretty.
She should have won Best Supporting Actress that year
She should have. It might have made a difference in her career if she had.
Pamela Franklin was a superb young actress and was a child star as well,she had quite a good career in America she was in Six Million Dollar Man,Fantasy Island etc,is she still acting? Because if she isn't it's a great shame😢
@@stephenbaker5413 She quit because, after going to Hollywood, she was pigeonholed in TV roles. She married another actor and they and their son have a bookshop in L.A. She is one of my favorite actresses ever, and, although I've read she's very happy (and certainly has had a much longer marriage than most stars who stayed in the business), I do selfishly wish she had done more acting roles and received more accolades.
This is a first class acting example by two of Britain,'s actresses. One of my favourite movies.
Great acting!
Pamela Franklin really pulls this off so well.
That little smirk on Celia Johnson's face. Do you Ms. Brodie! The cat that ate the canary look.
Excellent acting!
Celia was great but her character a jealous B
Gosh! Is that Celia Johnson?
I was looking for videos of the late and great Maggie, wasn't expecting to see Celia. I saw her in "In Which We Serve", "Brief Encounter" and "Astonished Heart"- wonderful actress.
She looks so changed here, could hardly recognise her.
I think she felt something was off with Brodie. And there was more than she perhaps ever found out.
@@HuntingViolets She simply just did not like Ms. Brodie's teaching methods
period. Her smirk was the ace up the sleeve moment. It was checkmate.
@@tomodonovan5931 Miss Brodie's teaching methods involved pretending to teach mathematics while telling about her dead love, uplifting fascist dictators, and selecting which student she thought should be the lover to her ex-lover. Although of course she didn't know all of that, but she knew the girls were bad at math and Miss Brodie showed inappropriate favoritism to her "set."
Maggie Smith richly deserved the Oscar she won, but in this scene one's eyes are continually drawn to nineteen-year-old Pamela Franklin as she faces down the teacher she once admired and has now betrayed to the headmistress. This is one of the greatest scenes between two actors ever filmed.
Thanks for blowing the plot.
I haven't had the chance to go out and see this movie yet..
@@captaincrunch8333 Whatcha been waiting for - Christmas?
@@captaincrunch8333 I guess you were busy in 1969, 1979, 1989, 1999 . . . it's still worth watching, Captain!
@@glfer8586 Time flies, my friend.
Captain, the movie came out in 1968.
What a killer line - "Are you aware of the order of importance in which you place your anxieties?"
You can't over-value anxieties too much now.
The modern media concerns itself with little else.
Killer line
As astonishing now as it was in 1969 when I first saw it. Rest in Peace Dame Maggie. You were always in your prime!
And her accent - or should I say eccent? - was impeccable. I-M-P-E-C-C-A-B-L-E, from the prefix "im", meaning "not", and the Latin "peccare" meaning "to sin". Which is to say, it was spot on. The Oscar was more than deserved.
yes an amazing scene
She was a wonderful actress.
@@Zimbrabimjajajajajaja you're too funny. Bravo for a great comment.
This scene remains one of the best between two actors on film. Wonderful movie. Incredible Maggie. Extraordinary Pamela.
Jean Brodie was a monster. This was an amazing performance from Maggie Smith and the rest of the cast.
I saw this on the tv at thirteen and was appalled by her 😂
Pamela Franklin.. What a fantastic performance.
This is probably the best scene in the unforgettable movie The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie, this scene with Maggie Smith and Pamela Franklin. Maggie Smith gave a brilliant and haunting performance as Miss Brodie, one of the most deserving Best Actress Oscar winners. Pamela Franklin was also excellent in the role of Sandy who is advanced beyond her age. The two actresses couldn't have been better in this movie. Miss Franklin definitely deserved a Best Supporting Actress nomination as did Celia Johnson as the headmistress. All of them did wonderful accents of women from Scotland. I never get tired of watching this classic movie.
Yes Pamela and Celia should have been nominated. I really hated Miss Mackay and that is the reason Celia was superb!
All true, but Maggie Smith was speaking in her native accent.
@@kenoliver8913surely not. She is English.
I was so appalled by Brodie’s coaching of Jenny, Mary McGregor and Sandy, I was for the headmistress.
@@mphrdldnOnly because we have hindsight. We know what happened next whereas Miss Brodie knew only what had gone before.
Pamela Frankie's performance in this scene was masterful. What a rare gift she had.
And still has.
When she outwitted Miss Mackay early on about going to Crammond then told her off when Mackay tried to fire her LOL!!
Pamala Franklin said it was a mistake going to the States, career wise. Those in the profession only saw her as a TV actress. When you see this scene you realise what a wonderful film actress she was and one concludes could only have climbed higher.
@@bostonblackie9503 Pamela Franklin discussed this in her commentary included on the 2004 DVD release of this movie.
It’s too bad she retired (I understand she’s quite happy with it, though) from lack of good roles being offered her.
A wonderful actor once described good acting as essentially "listening and simply reacting." My God, this is a master class of show-casing acting with this idea front and centre. Maggie Smith is forever brilliant, but much credit goes to Pamela Franklin - she wholly held her own (as Sandy) in this scene and withered not a bit when it fully mattered.
Franklin should have been at least nominated for an an Oscar--if not the win--for portraying Sandy. She deserved one for "The legend of Hell House", too.
Sandy. She was a viscious nasty piece of work.
True.
"Mary was headed for the wrong army" is both a very funny line, and a tragic one.
How so?
@salaciousness Mary thought that she was headed to find a long side. Her brother let miss Brody hot that the brother was fighting WITH Franco when in actually, he was fighting against Franco. So basically, Mary was headed to fight against her brother! Jean brodie was so consumed with her own fantasy that she didn't even bother to find out which army the brother was fighting for.
@@salaciousness Because Mary is portrayed as being simple.
@@salaciousnessThe art teacher was shocked at Mary’s plans. It provided foreshadowing.
Stunningly memorable dialogue in this recognition scene, a wonderful climax to the film. Great acting performances, yes, but only made possible by great writing.
Yes, the writing was brilliant.
The book is fantastic
The writing is by Jay Presson Allen (with director Ronald Neame). There is no final confrontation in Spark's novel, which has an unusual flashback/forward structure.
I was awestruck in 1969 when I first saw this film and now as an old man of 74 that feeling has never left me. Maggie Smith and the entire cast are a masterclass of acting! Maggie"s Jean Brodie is performance is at the TOP of one of the greatest portrayals in the history of cinema!
I saw the original then too - I'm almost 76. It is a brilliant film.
"Do you Miss Brodie?"... a fleetingly knowing smile crosses Miss Mc Kay's lips..
I loved Pamela Franklin in this movie, she deserved an Oscar just like the great Maggie Smith.
Yes, I thought she was fantastic. She carried this film.
I'd forgotten how electrifying this scene is!
back when movies had real drama
James Williams I can never forget this scene since watching it in 1969 as a 17 year old teenager!
@@loveispatient0808 Yes. It's stuck with me since then, too.
Maggie Smith is just brilliant! A well deserved Oscar!
I wonder if she had any idea what a long and accomplished she would have back when this was made. ❤
Brilliant Dame Maggie Smith! THIS is why you won the Oscar for this iconic film! RIP
That split second where the façade drops for Miss Brodie when Sandy asks what she will do now, only to lapse right back into her toxic nonsense… Breathtaking scene.
Maggie Smith left us today so I came to view this scene once more. She has been one of our greatest actors ever. Here, of course, her fellow players shine brilliantly too, Muriel Spark’s creation of Jean Brodie is an astonishing achievement on the page, and the dialogue adaptation here is superb. But it’s Maggie who ascends to the height of artistic greatness in this scene, one reason she became beloved and admired the world over.
Acting cannot and will not be better than this. Maggie Smith gives a virtuoso performance, but the supporting cast deserves much praise as well . 👍👍
One of the greatest scenes in all cinema. Unforgettable.
...a cat fight, with pretensions
I LOVE Maggie's purple dress!!!! Simple, but beautiful, tasteful, and jewel toned!❤
They are both amazing here....Pam Franklin is frighteningly good.
...you're easily frightened...
*_RIP_* Maggie❤She lived a long fulfilled life, but will still be sorely missed. I can remember this movie always being shown in highlights of her work, which always stood out to me because it was the youngest I'd ever seen her in anything. With her passing, I think I'll finally get around to watching 'Jean Brodie' during these next few days.
YT has it for free.
See her in a minor part in _The Pumkpin Eater._ She steals every scene she's in.
@@ViolettaD1485 Thanks I will.
The best scene in a brilliant film. Maggie Smith was magnificent and Ms Franklin matched her note for note
The late Dame Maggie Smith deserved the Oscar for best actress for her role as school teacher.
Maggire Smitth, Pamela Franklin, and Cela Johnson. Some of the greatest acting ever. And Gordon Jackson sings very well.
This and the scene where Ms. McKay tries to dismiss her, are the most epic in the movie.
Oh I know loved when Brodie tells Mackay off. I applauded
If Miss Brodie had belonged to a teachers' union she would have had at least a hearing to defend herself against the rather vague charges. Without a union teachers are often at the mercy of revengeful and jealous principals and or handpicked committees that care nothing about teachers and their concerns.
Pamela Franklin is simply amazing. She goes from young school girl to shattered innocent to responsible young woman going toe to toe with her unbalanced, pathetic mentor. And winning. Sublime, infinitely nuanced performance. So, so underrated and so, so sadly forgotten. Far better than any supporting actress since.
Pamela Franklin was a cracking little STAR.
Never forgotten.
Miss Brodie is indeed unbalanced and, from many viewpoints, pathetic. She is a genuine narcissist. But she also has a true magnificence and a sharp intelligence - the impact she had on her girls' lives was not all negative, despite what Sandy thinks in this scene. Part of the greatness of Smith's performance over the film is she captures that. The (very good) book also captures that because it can, being a book, have a lot more exposition.
@@kenoliver8913 Very well observed. Miss Brodie's narcissism is like, yet utterly unlike, two contemporary narcissists, Meghan Markle and Donald Trump. There is as you say, an underlying magnificence to hers, with a strong positive undercurrent. Muriel Spark wrote a masterpiece with this book, as did the actresses who brought it to life.
I wonder if much was said regarding the paedophile teacher at the time or was it just brushed off as one of those things, where teachers took occasional advantage.
One of the best scenes EVER .....written by a genius and flawlessly acted by brilliant actors
This scene alone is the reason why I love this movie!
My mother was a Miss Brodie. Destroyed lives. This film helped me a lot.
I’m so sorry. I hope you’re doing better.
Brodie never regrets her actions, so self-righteous and un-self-aware. First time I saw Maggie, 1969, and it was marvelous.
Pamela Franklin played Flora, one of the two ghost-haunted children, in The Innocents (1961), a screen adaptation of Henry James's The Turn of the Screw, starring Deborah Kerr. So two fine performances at a young age!
amazing scene Pamela Franklin is mesmerizing Shouldve won the Oscar
This was the best role in her career.
this scene should be mandatory viewing in acting classes!
"We neither of us were very interested in his mind."
God damn, that's the sickest burn I've ever heard.
& how many guys take advantage of girls, women, .... Bcz they're not interested in the girls', womens"' Minds. Women get "burned," all the time, & no one gives a flip.
I know very shocking and you'd think Miss Brodie would have slapped her face LOL
@@markwhitman9029 You can tell she was restraining herself with all her strength from doing just that. That's a reason Maggie Smith won that Oscar.
She would have gotten slapped back.
I can't stop watching this scene!
I saw this on TV some years ago and was blown away by Maggie’s acting in this film. Until that day when this was on television I’ve only really known Maggie as an ‘older’ actor either as a: reverend mother, strict old lady in the Secret Garden, racist old lady in “Marigold Hotel,” and McGonagall. So it’s a treat to see her as a young woman playing such a manipulative character like Jean Brodie.
Maggie awesome throughout and when Brodie almost descended into madness with monologue during the film slide segment, dear lord what a performance.
I am the same age as Pamela Franklin and was a huge fan of hers always. It was because of her I watched this movie when it was new, and was introduced to Maggie Smith. When I watched Miss Smith in any role- Poor Aunt Charlotte, Maggie McGonagall or Judith Herne, I always imagined that character had once been Jean Brodie.
Pam should have gotten the Oscar too! What a performance! Whatever happened to her? In the early seventies she was everywhere!
She retired early and raised a family. I think they owned a bookstore too. I do wish she’d make a comeback.
The writing is so good in this. Everything is.
Love the dialogue and mesmerized by the acting.
Maggie is and always will be an icon. But nineteen year old, Pamela Franklin did a brilliant job with this supporting role. Too bad she quit acting. I hope it was her choice, and she wasn't forced out of the industry.
However, she did become a great bodybuilder.
So I'm guessing she was always one to be an achiever. Great movie! ❤❤
She cut back to raise her children and have a family. The bodybuilder is a different Pamela Franklin.
The 1970s was not a good decade for actresses. Very few good roles for women, and only a handful of stars getting them. The likes of Maggie Smith, Judy Dench and Diana Rigg achieved career longevity by being accomplished in theatre as well as film and television.
She was a strong female actress who quit the business when Hollywood wouldn't expand her opportunities.
Ms Franklin said going to the States was a bad career move. She was seen as only a TV actress. They only had to look at her resume to see differently. Jenny Agutter face the same sort of thing. On being considered for Logan's Run the director only saw her as "Jenny Augutter The Railway Children." It took a lot of convincing for him to see her differently.
I wonder why she didn’t try in England again after.
Anyone who admires Pamela Franklin as an actress should look at her first great performance as Flora in "The Innocents", probably the greatest ghost story ever filmed. Anyone who -- as a child! -- can hold the screen opposite Deborah Kerr is unequivocally the Real Deal.
I'm with you - to carry her own with Deborah Kerr at such a young age, and then this 8 years later with Maggie Smith...well, I fell in love with her in the early seventies when I first started college. She deserve to higher level career.
Deborah Kerr said the movie, which was not a success upon realse, was under appropriated in it's time. I believe Pamala Franklin was 11 years old when she made that movie but looked so much younger.
Pamela also did well in "The Nanny". She went up against some formidable actresses in her young days--Deborah Kerr, Bette Davis, AND Maggie Smith!
That was, of course, a *directed* performance, elicited by director Jack Clayton. Young Pamela didn't even understand the story. But check her out in "The Third Secret" (1964). You can see her developing into a skilled actress at fourteen.
Such a powerful scene and so marvelously acted. Maggie is a jewel.
I have adored this movie since the first time I saw it when it came out. This scene is one of many standouts.
All you Guys love this movie. ( just noticing the comments)
It’s a great movie.
I honestly hope no one tries to do a remake of this movie, no actress could do this role any justice, Dame Maggie made this her own, every thing she did was perfection, she was a great actress and national treasure.
Geraldine McEwan played the role on television.
Amazing performances. Franklin should at least have had an oscar nod that year, and could even have won over Hawn. Had there been a tie as the year before, Smith and Jean Simmons were both deserving for best actress.
Omg Goldie Hawn and Pamela wasn't even nominated? Ridiculous! Never cared for the contrived acting of Hawn! Even on Laugh-in the ditsy blond image had been done a thousand times before!
One of the finest performances in the English language. I love Maggie Smith!
God I love this movie, this scene, and most especially Maggie Smith in this role so much it actually hurts really!
It hurts because it was so brutal.
"ASSASSIN!" Maggie Smith is a marvel.
I remember loving this movie as a young girl. I just thought it was so wonderful. I’m 61 now so I was a kid when this movie came out lol but It had quite an impact on me.
Watching this again I appreciate just what an amazing performance Pamela Franklin gave; also that I never realised that the actress also played the ever so slightly creepy little girl in another superlative film - "The Innocents'
One of the best actresses to ever grace film.
Her performance in "The Innocents" can be credited to director Jack Clayton. Franklin, aged 11, didn't even understand the story. But check out "The Third Secret" (1964), where she shows remarkable growth in a difficult role at age 14.
This film made me want to be an actor and a teacher.40 years later I am still putting young actors on the stage.Only a handful of actors are legend and even less are my heroes.Dame Maggie Smith was both . Sadly and wonderfully, suddenly.... Heaven,just became more entertaining.
The late Dame Maggie Smith was brilliant playing the role of a school teacher, and her being the winner of the Oscar for best actress was very well deserved. Thanks for the legacy you left us.
This was a wonderful scene. Great movie. Maggie always brings something special to a movie.
I love Mrs. Maggie’s accent.
I really love this scene.
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This was one incredible movie. Coming at the peak of Maggie Smith's illustrious career in the movies.
Nobody could do put downs quite as good as Maggie Smith....classic lines in classic films...She was the queen of ironic delivery
One of the greatest performances ever put on film. Thanks for this post.
Such a wonderful , superb actress. The best of British
Great acting. Maggie Smith is pure perfection... Don't think anybody else could play this role as well as she did. I'd love to see all the cast together today. I'm sure theirs some still living
Magnificent ! - Brilliant !
These two fine actors really showcased their talent in this scene.
Wish that Pamela Franklin would have gotten greater parts like here to bring out her talent, love how she just walks calmly as Maggie screams ASSASSIN !!
Ooo...So Cold ....
>>Ooo...So Cold ....
Well exept that the next scen (the end of the movie) shows her (and the other girls) leaving school at the end of the school day and a tear goes down her cheek (whilst Miss Brodies line "Give me a girl at an impressionable age..." plays). So not so cold I would suggest.
Actually, if anyone is cold (or perhaps not "cold" but calcuating?) it'sMiss Brodie setting up her pupil Jenny as the lover of Mr Lloyd.
Let us not forget the quality of the writing story and dialogue by Muriel Spark
And Jay Presson Allen. The final confrontation is entirely hers.
She is so beautiful even if she's getting older now.
This was a great film and she kept her. Dignity up to the end. She played a very good part. And a romantic part but kept her sprit up. Loved this film. She had all the other teachers jealous of her.
But she did do harm to her students, especially Mary. Self-righteous, and never regretting what she had done.
Utterly sublime.
Did anyone else find this scene incredibly cathartic? This is kinda personal, but my grandma was such a toxic narcissist (and yes I know those are two terms that are thrown around too much these days but seriously, the woman absolutely fit both words) that I consider anyone who allowed their children within ten miles of her to be guilty of child abuse. I wish my parents had protected me from her. Anyway, Pamela Franklin in this scene says everything I wish I had said to my grandma. It's amazing how many meanings or life parallels can be gleaned from just one film scene
You have a compelling viewpoint. For myself, I was expecting Miss Brodie to slap Sandy across the face.
Just when Sandy feels a split second of compassion for Brodie, its like ringing the dinner bell., Brodie is back to feeding. But Sandy sees it.
I thought that just a minute ago. My father is a narcissist. The character is exhibiting the classic behavior of course back in the day we didn't have a label for it.
There is no doubt that this scene is INTENDED to be cathartic - that is what, in classical drama, is meant to happen in the recognition scene (when the central truths of the plot are revealed and the hero/heroine's illusions are torn away). Recognition scenes are usually also the drama's climax, as this one is.
@@rubytuesdayphoenix . What people see as “ cathartic is maybe just the first step. Where do you go from here?
SUCH a good movie!
This film is a classic formula of a femmes fatale. Jean Brodie represents Venus the classic beauty, pride, frivolous desire, and love, always wanting to be on a pedestal and while Sandy represents Diana the moon goddess a huntress waiting patiently for the kill, cold, calculating, insight, and honesty. This film is wonderfully done.
I was too young to see this movie at the time. Never saw it. But, I have a dvd of the secret garden, & Maggie Smith's hair, voice, & attitude are Exactly the Same, in both movies, even though, they're decades apart.
As many other comments here seem to agree, Pamela Franklin was great in this film. As a male college freshman when I first saw this, I fell in love with her - and I don't think I ever got over it. She really deserved a higher level career.
An acting masterclass. All drama students should be aware of this.
They should be aware of this but sadly most probably look to Meryl Streep as an example to watch and I for one never could stomach her
@@markwhitman9029 Just because you can’t stomach Meryl, doesn’t mean that she shouldn’t be look up to as an example by drama students… Meryl is one of the greatest actresses alive, along with Dame Maggie and many others… Pushing one legend down the bus to uplift another, doesn’t really help your flawed argument…
RIP Maggie and thank you for everything.
Brilliant scene; such brilliant acting on the part of both actors; gripping deliveries.
What a scene between two actresses. What a film.
Bravooooooo, Maggie, you are wonderful.
Elizabeth Ruocco That Pamela Franklin girl was brilliant too
The legendary MAGGIE SMITH.
Such a great movie.
I will :-). I think I found a site where I can watch older movies. I feel like watching "Do they shoot horses, don't they?" with Jane Fonda.
you know, when I read your posts, some are so sad. I know that the 2008 financial crisis hit you hard. But did you manage to get ahead? Do you have a family? Children? Obviously, it can also be a nightmare but most of the time, it can be comforting. Become you seem active, do you get some satisfaction out of it? I agree with you:getting older in not much fun. But I am a bit exentrix, according to people around me,also a bit of a child women. enjoying making imitation, criticizing politics...Am I happy? Some time. Do I think being death would better? Probably.
I laugh, entertain people, smile...and feel dark inside. But it is easier to hold.that darkness. :-)
let me be your friend. It is safe, sincere and sometime, it is very entertaining. :-)
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I have always loved this movie...but I don't understand why everybody is saying that Pamela Franklin steals the scenes. I never once watched this movie to see Pamela..I watched this movie to see Maggie Smith and her interactions with the others.
I would say over the years I have watched the movie repeatedly more for Pamela. A remarkably powerful and insightful performance which is perfect to play against Maggie Smith's theatrical character.
It's not a matter of "stealing scenes." It's just that Sandy is the character who really evolves in the course of the film. Brodie, in all of Smith's splendid realization, remains stuck in her unfortunate pose.
@@Rozsaphile Well said. I should add in all honesty, though, that I also think Pamela Franklin is sexy.
One of the best illustrations of the female dynamic Ever.
5:48 and 8:04 Outstanding performance. Look at her way to walk, look and talk simultaneously... AMAZING!!! The great Maggie Smith... the British Meryl Streep!!
Nahhh.. meryl streep is american maggie smith!
Rediculous comment
@@quocanhnguyen9002 I was just about to say the same thing BUT Meryl no where near Dame Maggie's level
@@markwhitman9029 what about sophie's choice
@@quocanhnguyen9002 I've always thought Meryl overrated but did like her in Silkwood. To me she's a good but not great actress that does accents fine
Kaiserarian!! What a script! But delivered by a genius. Thank you Maggie for everything! Be a peace…
Caesarian. "Caesar" is pronounced with a "K" sound in Latin.
Celia Johnson (Miss Mackay) was so good in Brief Encounter (1945).
Really-?? I would never have recognised her!!
Yes, she was also an avid reader and was so proficient she did the crossword puzzles with a pen. Apparently she was also blind as a bat and wore lenses that looked like the bottom of a coke bottle. Ha ha. JD
Barbi Kelly Celia was much marked by age and, in this case, stage makeup by the late sixties
Jonathan Linton
OK, thanks.
In anything by Noel Coward. In Which We Serve, This Happy Breed etc.
"We were neither of us very interested in his mind."
This is the first time i see this scene. And oh my is this girl good. Such a dynamic and what a voice control.
I love these two together ❤❤
Pamela Franklin should have won the Oscar for best supporting actress. She steals every scene she is in with the amazing Maggie Smith. You can't take your eyes off of her and her portrayal of Sandy is the heart of the movie. I can't take the Academy Awards seriously after that oversight.
Timothy Griffith I agree. Pamela's performance was outstanding
Wrong
Wow. I didn't see it that way at all. I think I have to go back and watch the whole film. Many people here, you particularly eloquently, are singing Ms. Franklin's praises. I thought, this is why we didn't hear much from Franklin -- it's prosaic and hard. But perhaps I am very wrong.
I must report back after learning more.
Hardly... She is a robot... and automaton... a one note performance. She's no longer even acting. Maggie Smith, in contrast, gives a performance of wide ranging emotion. And her subsequent career only supports the decision of the academy in awarding her the Oscar for this fine performance.
Timothy Griffith The Oscars are often awarded to people who don't deserve it and those that *do* deserve it are overlooked. They make stupid choices sometimes.
Two magnificent actresses
It's an incredible scene this, what Sandy says is so powerful. Brodie is temporarily winded by being told the truth but like a true narcissist she quickly regains her self importance back and blames everyone but herself.
...magnificent...
Props to Pamela Franklin. She holds her own in that scene.
The writing, the acting 🎭🔥🔥🔥🔥
RIP Dame Maggie Smith, you will ALWAYS be Reverend Mother from "Sister Act"🙏❤
An interesting comment to make on a clip from a different movie.
@@HuntingViolets I liked her both movies. This was made before I was born. I found out about her after watching her in Sister Act . Then, I checked out this movie
@@triciajohansen7124 It just kind of amused me. :)
@@HuntingViolets so did Dame Maggie!
Smith and Johnson are pitch perfect. Could not find two actresses in the US who could match them today.
Loved Maggie in this movie! She was absolutely amazing!,