India-Greece Resume Defense Ties After 2327 Years | Geopolitical Analysis by Abhijit Chavda
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In a historic move reminiscent of their ancient alliance in 303 BCE, India and Greece are set to sign a groundbreaking military cooperation agreement. This agreement marks a significant milestone in the modern history of both nations, with wide-ranging implications for regional and global geopolitics.
The accord, encompassing joint exercises and collaboration across all branches of the armed forces, signifies a strategic alignment between India and Greece. It heralds a new era of cooperation, strengthening ties in defense, diplomacy, and technology innovation.
With Greece's participation in international exercises like Inocos and Tarang Shakti, and the exchange of military personnel, the partnership promises enhanced interoperability and shared security interests. Moreover, discussions on regional security issues, armaments, and geopolitical developments underscore the depth of cooperation between the two nations.
India's aim to bolster its presence in the Eastern Mediterranean aligns with Greece's strategic interests, fostering mutual economic and security benefits. The agreement reflects a broader trend of expanding partnerships beyond traditional alliances, contributing to a more dynamic and multipolar world order.
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I hope India Greece and Armenia sign a defence agreement to counter Pakistan-Turkey-Azerbaijan. Love to my Indian and Greek brothers and sisters from an Armenian 🇦🇲🇬🇷🇮🇳
Also, read this to know about our past and achievements. It includes modern India as well.
Ancient India's Achievments:
1. Ancient universities such as nalanda, takshashila, vikramshila, and much more over thousands of years ago.
2.Indians had concepts of calculus before west like infinite series for pi, power series for sine and cosine, inverse tangent series, and much more.
3. Aryabhatta invented sine function.
4. Bhaskara II gave modern definitions of sine and cosine.
5. Sushruta was one of the pioneers in surgery over 2000 years ago.
6. Maharishi Kanad, a philosopher, proposed the idea of atoms in 600 BCE.
7. Brahmagupta invented the formula to determine the area of cyclic quadrilaterals.
8. Decimal System.
9. Binary number system by pingala.
10. Ayurveda.
11. Bhaskara I stated that at the highest point, the rate of change is zero.
12. Varahamihira predicted water on Mars thousands of years ago.
13. Sridharacharya invented the modern-day quadratic formula.
14. Solutions to quadratics.
Modern India's Achievements:
1. Har Gobind Khorana synthesized the first artificial gene and demonstrated the role of nucleotides in protein synthesis. He also played a massive role in cracking the genetic code.
2. Artificial synthesis of coenzyme A by Har Gobind Khorana
3. Chandryaan 3 landing on the south pole of moon.
4. Mars Mission.
5. Sun Mission (Aditya - L1).
6. Fiber optics by Narinder Singh Kapany.
7. Jagdish Chandra Bose was one of the pioneers in wireless communication before Marconi and transmitted signals before him.
8. Discovery of millimeter waves by Jagdish Chandra Bose.
9. Discovery of cholera toxin by Dr. Sambhu Nath De.
10. USB by Ajay Bhatt.
11.Pentium Chips by Vinod Dham.
12. S.N. Bose made contributions to quantum mechanics like Bose-Einstein condensate and laid the foundations for Higgs Boson.
13.Quantum Statistics by S.N. Bose. Also, Boson particles are named after him.
14. Discovery of triple helical structure of collagen.
15. Ramachandran plot, which is a tool used to visualize which angles can amino acids take in proteins.
16. Venki Ramakrishnan discovered the high resolution atomic structure of ribosomes.
17. First DNA based Covid Vaccine.
18. Cervical Cerclage was first described by Sirodkhar.
19. Crescograph.
20. George Sudarshan was one of the pioneers in quantum optics. (Watch and learn more about him).
21. Quantum Zeno effect
22. Microwave Optics.
23. Magnetic controlled shunt reactor
There are many more indian greats you should learn about. Examples: Srinivasa Ramanujan, Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar, C.V. Raman and Raj Reddy (one of the pioneers in AI along with McCarthy).
Many of these were wrongfully attributed to foreigners or they teach you about this stuff, but never tell Indian origins. Bloodsucking leeches and their time is up .😂😂😂😂😂, b*stard Westerners. Anglo-Saxons=c*ncer.
Don't worry about Pakistan. The country is suicidal and self destructive.
@@Vitamins152 western people dont know a damn thing about india and it irritates me how they show india on internet ...event though i faced many invasions we are still going ahead ...... ancient india was much superior than todays so called superpowers because of our way of living , riligions , our great scriptures nd all .
Love to you and all Armenians.
@@Vitamins152yeah, i know all of these 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Chandragupta Maurya and Chanakya must be smiling down from heaven!
Yeah
Chandra Gupta naga king 850 BCE and Chandra Gupta mayura king 1535 BCE
Chandra Gupta naga king married with Helena around 850
@@AnuragSharma-tu3lm wrong. it was around 300 BCE
It was near the age of alexender invade india one decade later maybe@AnuragSharma-tu3lm
Many Pakistanis illegally migrated to Greece! Their kids will get citizenship and steer the direction of the country’s future like how UK goes..
nah... it ain't happening... Greek here
Great then 👍
Because In the majority they will ask for shariya law 😢 @@OttomanKiller
UK isnt steered by pakistanis you are naive to think that, ofcourse illegal migration has affected tier 2 cities of uk and parts of London but it is still governed by British , the financial aspects of it ,the control of narrative. Ofcourse UK hoped for cheap labor but instead wasnt prepared for the associated problems like difficulty of migrants to adapt to culture of the society, loopholes of a democracy, you wont find this in China, Russia
@@OttomanKiller very good. keep it that way
@@OttomanKiller i like your name
love from Greece,to India
Greece is our oldest ally 🇮🇳❤️🇬🇷.
@@Sophia_2727
Is it? I thought Alexander came he to conquer India, in the same light as Ghazni or Ghori & not to be our benefactor, but as "conqueror".
Even now it is debatable whether Alexander tasted (his first) defeat or believe in the convoluted argument that he defeated Porus, but gave back his kingdom (weird thesis). Proponents of Western civilisation can't take argument of his defeat.
@@MrPoornakumar Alexander s invasion was purely Imperial and his colonies on the borders of India led to cultural and religious fusion. Many Greek Gods and Goddesses became part of Indian religious system. Greeks didn't attempt to destroy Indian society and Selucid empire sought peaceful coexistence with India. But the invasion of Ghazis was sheer madness culturally and civilizationally.
@@Socheespeak
I see no Greek Gods & Goddesses in Hindu pantheon. If I haven't seen none else has (Hindus) seen any. Your clam is baseless.
Greeks (their civilisation) came up hardly 2000 years before Christ, while Indian civilisation (I mean what you call it as Hindu) was there from at least 5000 B.C. predating Greek civilisation by a good 3000 years at least. Hindu Gods & Goddesses came into being (in people's minds) from close to eight years at least, that means.
Love you Greece
I watched your video on Armenia and liked it very much. This video was excellent so i have subscribed. Love to PM Modi and love to India.
My India will always support Armenia 🇦🇲🙌🏻♥️.
Love & respect to Armenian 🇦🇲 brothers & sisters from India🇮🇳🙏🏻.
More power to you guys. Love from India ❤
Much respect to the Indian people and their leader from Greece. Two ancient nations united again. Jai Hind!!!! Who dares wins!!!
We gon' teach those Ottoman preachers a lesson! Ζήτω η Ελλάδα! जय हिंद!
I like your Name.
Like your name buddy 😂
Love to the Indian and Greek people from an Armenian🇬🇷🇦🇲🇮🇳
Long live India Greek friendship 😊😚☺️😘🥰
To grossly simplify, (indians & greeks) are joining hands to counter (converted indians & converted greeks) 😂
Today's Greeks are also converted.
The Greeks doesn't follows the ancient Greek culture, civilization, religion.
The Greece is totally Christianized.
It's the Indians who still practice the same culture, same civilization, same religion as our Great Ancestors Emperor ChandraGupta Maurya, Acharya VishuGupta Chanakya practiced.
That's why india is a Civilizational state.
We are more than a Country, more than a Nation. We are the Epicenter of culture, civilization, knowledge, wisdom.
@@siddarthshah1773 stop talking nonsense. Read about their religion as you would read any book and then you will see that Jesus Christ used to believe that world is going to end and his god Yahweh is coming down to smite the nations around israel.
@@siddarthshah1773
Bro what weed are you smoking?
@@umbrellacorporation5723 to be fair a small minority still hold to the old hellenic traditions and culture.
@@siddarthshah1773lol, appreciate your creativity. 😂😂
Greece should be aware of peaceful community,else it will be too late to react. Jai shri Ram
Bruh greece was once conquered by the ottoman empire. They know exactly what islam is. And they have fought back against islam way better than we did. There are hardly any ottoman turks left in greece today.
@@proudkaafir5126 We were back stabbed by traitors from within (secularism and appeasement politics) and they killed their traitors first that's how they are in better position.
I think they are.... They have Turkey experience.
Greece is a civilizational power with an amazing history of science, philosophy, religion, politics, mythology like India and we must stand with them in hours of need.
India and Greece both have lost just too much land. We both must reclaim our lost land back.
Greeks are among the surviving people's that have suffered under Islamist rule. They were smart to ensure a full exchange of population when they re-established Independence after the fall of Ottomans.
We are brothers , before Alejander in India coming Heraklis and before him Dionysos and yor filoshofy is very cloose to Greece Filosohofy ,is the shame we are Brothers , i send Love from Greece , i read Maxamparata and Mpagavat Gita Arzoyna is Hero to me and the time he talkin Krisna about the War, this read many times and i love it ,Indian Temples is very cloose to my . My engless is teribole bat never mine Geopolitical Analysis in Greece is , Γεωπολιτική Ανάλυση , Filoshofy is Φιλοσοφία
Love from India bro
You have to cone out from Christianism.go back to your true culture
Love from India 🇮🇳
@@dharmikrakshak8340It is not necessarily something wrong what you write or bad (i generally agree with it) but Greeks never stopped to be pagans / polytheists. To give you two examples : Greek Byzantine agiography presents Aristotle and other ancient Greek polytheist philosophers as saints. In Greek Byzantines schools and universities Greeks were learning Homer and others of our ancient Greek culture. Our language then is one of the best preserved languages in the world. This is a very strong link even stronger that any "religious" culture. The experts say, "the most alive and preserved language" (it will take a whole book to write such paradigms that depict what im saying here)
Today there are many Greek pagans in Greece (one way or another) and there is a great revival spirit of pagan polytheism in Greece and whole Europe. Also, a general comment, one Indian must not confuse or be driven by sentimentalism to confuse, western-aglosaxon colonial Christians with Greek version of Christianity. Greeks never colonized "imperialisticaly" others on our history, not ofcaurse Hindus. Our Christianity It may not be the same like the before culture (but as we said there are some strong connections), but it is prohibited to Orthodox teachings and spirit the religious imperialism and propaganda to others (anyway, today in Greece a 20/30% let's say don't believe in any "religion" there are more like "agnosticists", but the good with Greece is that you will not meet so much atheists or "cynical materialists" like in other western countries. Greeks don't like nihilism , and a wrong understood "scientifisn" at all, even when they don't follow any known religion)
I'm in favour of Greek pagan spirit my self, and ancient greek culture, I'm just saying how things are from an alternative perspective (that most don't know for Greece, many times even Greeks themselves) , because we must not lose the ability and desire and vision to walk beyond the walked path. As our ancient philosopher Pythogoras was saying "don't walk on the roads that are been walked and are walking by the many". (This is our "true" culture, and this is also the same for India. One should look and move with respect to the past, but to not forget to move forward. The "past" the "true", the "authentic" is many times, in some strange way in the future not it the "past" ).
@@dharmikrakshak8340Also, the "adaption" of Christianism (in reality we didn't adopted it we "created" it, but this is another big discussion ) by Greeks was a necessity of the times. Greeks were under Roman rule and in the beginning Romans and Greeks were friends- co-operators but when Rome was in decay Greeks didn't want the Romans any more. But look what was the huge problem : the Romans have adapted everything Greek (and some times also perveted it) and Greeks couldn't use their culture to "revolt" , because this was now almost indistinguishable from the Roman culture. What to do ? The Greeks then from the periphery of the world of the Hellenistic times they hugged the "new" god, that had characteristics from our culture, because of the Hellenistic influence there from the Hellenistic times or just from the Greco - Roman culture that had those characteristics (it is another big discussivon also that). You see things are not so simple. There are many more to mention here that are even more important to understand one better something deeper of the Greek culture and paganism that gave birth to whole West. But those are just to take one a first taste, an example of another view.
Old civilizations will learn and improve ❤
Invasion of Turkic Sultan Mahmud Ghazni 1001 CE in North-Western India (Start of the darkest period of Indian history)
The invasion of Turkic Sultan Alp Arslan and the subsequent Battle of Manzikert 1071 AD/CE (Start of the darkest period in Greece's history).
Common enemy
Mahmud gazni still restricted to border. That's why he always planned to raid at most vulnerable time and situations one kingdom at once. Because he tried to avoid Raja bhoj and Rajput alliance.
Unfortunately his nephew Syed salar gazi was not so lucky. He get wiped out by Raja suhaldev and alliance.
That's why you can see the gap of 180 years between ghaznavi and ghori invasions.
So, the real damage has been done by Muhammad of ghor. Irony is ghori ancestors were the Buddhist converts😂😂😂😂
Romans/Byzantines retook most of Anatolia from the seljuks under the Komnenian dynasty. It was only after the venetian sack of Constantinople and the ottoman expansion is when the darkest period of Greek history started
Very good
Are you a Hindu Iranian?
Congratulations from Greece for your wondeful show and accurate analysis!
Are old civilizations reclaiming their might. We see India and Egypt cooperating and now with Greece.
@subhasishmishra4263
But Egypt remains Muslim & Greece remains Christian. It is only that continues the same tradition - form is the same & content must be in keeping, with the times.
There is nothing "Egyptian" left in egypt right now, they don't have their own language, cuisine, religion, culture even the people anymore, the only thing they have is the name Egypt (that's what happens after for being under foreign occupation for 2000 years)
@@KirtiMukh yeah that's true
Our oldest Ally 🥺
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True maam
Your videos are bloody fantastic!!!
Yes he have all kinds of knowledge economics history geopolitics etc..
Wow!! 2327 years!! Thanks for sharing, Chief 🙏🏽 🫡
There is a Costal Town called Korkai in Pandian Kingdom (current day Tamil nadu's coast), It was town actively visted by Romans and Greeks. The inscriptions from the place tells us Korkai Was guarded by Greeks. Greeks are called Yanavar in Tamil. There is a lot of Tamil literature that shows Greek - Tamil trade, particulary Pearl trade from Pandian Kindom (current day Southern Tamil Nadu).
Tamil connection with Ancient Egypt, Roman Empire , Greeks were far too many. Roman coins were found in Karur which was a capital of Chera kingdom. Most of this history stayed within Tamil communities as Dravidian movement isolated Tamil Nadu from rest of the country. Maritime history from South of Bharath should be spoken more. Greek Philosopher Ptolemy Mentions Pandian Kindom in his works with regards to pearl ornaments.
Greeks are called Yavana from the state of Ionia.
Tamils had trade connection with chinese , Greeks, Romans, some few south asian countries and Arab world as far as I know
Dumeels always has thr own world of History 😂😂😂
The Greeks were called Yavanas in Sanskrit (the word comes from Ionia, a small Greek territory), and they were very popular mercenaries in Bharat. We have lots of inscriptions in both the South and the North where the Yavanas are mentioned as soldiers for hire. They were used to wage war against other kingdoms in the subcontinent.
Dhurv ratee moyee moyee😂😂
For the resumption of ancient defence ties, a lot of ground work must have started long ago.
But this, for the uninitiated viewers this could be a surprise.
It would be interesting to know the first steps taken by India and those political and non political agencies, if any, which brought about this scenario!
Hope all works out well, as the world today is in a volatile situation!
love from karnataka
Is karnatka not in India? Saying love from particular state is shame for sardar Vallabhbhai Patel!
😂@@THOMAS_SHELBY434
Where is it ..nobody knows about Karnataka ..😂😂
@@vodka_triceps abhe i am from bengaluru 3 largest city after mumbai and delhi tu kaha se hai be bsdk
@@THOMAS_SHELBY434 abhe kuch bhi bolo karnataka kannada kannidiga India toh baap hai india toh pakistan ka baap hamara toh bhagwan huva naa just to mention particular state i did that because this is Indian channel
We didn't know sh*t...until Abhijit comes
“Form is temporary, Class is permanent” - this old adage from Cricket applies equally well to great civilizations like India 🇮🇳 and Greece 🇬🇷
Abjijit, you are so thorough, refreshing and full of insight. the way you look at things - few can do
Two thumbs up, just for the title!
May the Greeks properly rebuild and restore the Parthenon as the living temple for Athena that it was. It will do wonders for Greek national spirit that preserving ruins won’t.
You are phenomenal ❤ keep going bro,i lived in Greece briefly,it's amazing 🤩
I love Greece. I am learningGreece
The title! I just clicked for that. Interesting to understand this perspective.
Abhijit bhai you Explained very complex thing so awesomely !! JaiHind to you 💪🙏
It feels very great and pleasing to listen to the analytical information that you bring in your shows🇮🇳🙏🇮🇳🙏🇮🇳🙏
very good and in depth description of the complex geopolitical current situation and also the historical review of the relations of the 2 ancient nations.
Congrats!
I always enjoy your analyzes!
Waw AC what an explanation… this can be directly related to some of the major timelines history has seen. This is great and an eye opener
Let's go 900K🎉
Ancients are rising again........................................................................................💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪
It means very bad for turkiye.
Burnol from Pakistan 🙂
@@shahidanusrat6086first get atta
@@shahidanusrat6086hat sala bhikari
@@shahidanusrat6086
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Very well explained Sir! Loved it!
Bhai Rahul Gandhi ne to tumhare surname ki aise taisi kr rakhi hai
@@facthub9964 😂 kya hi bolu bhai
@@samarthgandhi3427😂😂
@@samarthgandhi3427 bruh😂😂🤌🏻💕
Bharat is the father of the world and regaining it's position again.
Chill
Stop it don’t make it cringe
I mean, sure, but we are too far behind now. Let's be realistic and not an a##hole about it, alr?
Plz don't write these stupid comments bcz of you guys our whole country is being made fun of.
Erdogan’s dream to slap Netanyahu is over 😂as Erdogan had a thumping defeat in the elections
Caliphate banane ka sapna chur chur ho gaya😂
U made such informative and futuristic scenarios ❤️
Very Insightful Abhijit, I was the Self- Claimed Geopolitics Master supporting my close ones with International questions until I met you 😁😂, In every video of yours I learn something new, thanks 🙏🙂
Wow, this is historic.
I don't believe Chandra Gupta maurya was 2300 years ago I believe it's much before as mentioned in bhavishya Purana
We had a concept of names resonating with attributes / gunas... example almost all ancient temples / cities were made by "vishwkarma".. in many southeast Asia ancient temples/ cities were made by Indra etc etc etc.. Chandragupt of this era might be given this name as upadhi after ancient Chandragupta for same Gunas and Dharmic might
Yeah these dates are set by colonial historians
You should listen to and read Vedveer Arya. He raises some excellent points about Indian history that you'll like.
@RkjjjdnKumar-rv2zu
there was a legend even, that Chandra Gupta Maurya, saw Alexander as a 14year old boy. By that time our methods of "dating" have improved so much that historiography became authentic & easy.
Very well summerise in just 20 minutes!!! Good to know the history that's mostly forgotten.
🏛️🔥Greek Gods 🤝 Hindu Gods🔥🕉️
Greeks are Christians now bruh,not hellenics
@@hiicyuivbiChrist, is the last Hellenic god.
very sober and informative!
WOW !
The revival of the greatest historical partnership.
God bless Greece! And Us! ❤
Excellent information, highly insightful..🇮🇳🚩🇮🇳
that greece was much larger , I would think
love the info.
Good historicsl analysis fot educated people impresive sir god blesss u❤
Right after I saw the movie 300..Hmmm.. 😌😌
Very much liked the video.
Very well explained sir enlightened
Always super informations.
Both Greek and Bharat suffered a lot from Turkic invaders. Nothing against the current Turks, but that's the fact.
The current "Turks" are just converted Greeks. They face the same problem that we do. Their own people converted and became their sworn enemies.
Very nice video
Excellent🙏🙏🙏
Thumbnail is fantastic ❤❤ after 2300+ yrs ..love it
This guy know something about WW3 and is not telling out loud
bravo my friend
जय हो
Good move for many, many geopolitical, geoeconomic, historic reasons.
Greece also passed a bill which stated to making the worship sites of their True gods like Zeus,Athena,Artemis, etc
Amazing
Har Har Shambhu 🇮🇳
Sir pls discuss this in TJD platform with sanjay sir, so that we would b more aware of this vere vere important fact that took place 2023 years ago. And pls in hindi. Pls. Pls. Do it.
We Need Power
Humare Devta firse Jaag Rahe hn 🙏🏻🚩😊
I need to see it before I believe it !
resurgence of civilizations
Relation between this two civilization is one of very practical approach but we should also be aware of the dicotomy of us engaging with Greece
Greece was pagan earlier than it got baptized and u can see what those missionaries have done to Greece.
Illiterate comment
Bharat will rise again!!
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German shepherd crying 😂😂
Crying on his white wife's lap again
wow
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Chanakya would be happy right now😊
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Very informative!! This video comes after I watched a meme about Seleucus Nicator trying to wed his daughter to Chandragupta before beginning any war on their fronts😂
@abhaypasalkar9074
His daughter Helen was married to Chandragupta Gupta. In return the son-in-law got all of the present day Afghanistan, exchanging for 500 elephants that Seleucus used them to defeat the Persians.
@@MrPoornakumar Wow!! Thanks for the add-on ma'am!!
@14:13 - India will last another 10K years? AC are you not under estamating us?
Akhand Bharat and United Greece 🫶🏻
Last time after indo-greek defence pact , Chandragupta achieved akhand Bharath..
So ...................
Sir where do u get this info
Are you saying 3000 year old Rahul Gandhi portrait had been found in Greece?
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XD
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We also need Indian support with our cricket team in Greece. We are basically rubbish at the sport.
Pandyan & Cherar kings employed Greeks (Yavanars) for military purposes still after Mauryans.. I think Pandyans & Cherars are also Indian kings...
@ranjithparamashivam1795
No Indian needs to doubt the Indian-ness of Pandyans or Cherars. All Pakistans & Bangladeshes are created along land (northern) borders.
Jai 🇬🇷 Greece
Jai Bharat ❤
Most of Europe is screwed
Jannisery is same as jaan nisar in urdu. Essentially soldiers pledged to the sultan alone. Turkey and pakishitstan are very similar in that way. Converts from the native population who could never feel confident enough in their converted identities and took out all their insecurity on their own unconverted cousins.
@abhijith chavada Can you please clarify something for me in your previous video you told if china starts a war with India if we seek help from America you explained how much troubles and puppet to America. What india needs to do what type steps to do to self reliant on our military advancement and AI wars what do u recommend our government to prevent to happen to be puppet of America and if war happens Not loose land and war with China
We r not a puppet of USA and we will never will be that's why we're creating our own military industrial complex
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The footing of the "Great Two Frontiers" born from their Civilization not Conversion. A blend of Culture & Culinary 💯👋🙏
The first outcome will be diplomatic coordination in various forums to counter an aggressive Turkey. Forging ties will help both countries.
Mei BHARAT se huu mere SAMAAJ mei HUN Name ki Gotra hein
What's the difference between turkik and Turkish invasion
@SeemaSharma-xi6vp
Turkic people are from Central Asia. People of (the country) Turkey are Turkish. The connection is that the Central Asian tribe (Seljuq Turks) invaded Anatolia/Asia minor to establish their kingdom, that wiped out all vestiges of a prior ancient civilisations.
In fact, the Turkish (Uthman, mispronounced as "Ottoman") Empire one more left-handed compliment. Spice trade from India to the Mediterranean lands, passed through Middle East that was all Turkish Empire, till WW I. Turkish Empire taxed the spices trade heavily (so much so that in Venice & Rome, black pepper used to cost its weight in gold) & Romans were straining to find an alternate route to India, not passing through Turkish Empire. Christopher Columbus, a young Genoese sailor, who read Aristarchus' thesis that Earth is a globe & not a flat sheet, planned to reach India by going west & round this sphere called Earth. He did find a financier in a Spanish queen, Isabella. He was the first European to cross an Ocean (Atlantic) and discovered the Americas that changed the Human history, for good. Till his last day Columbus believed that he landed in India (named those islands, "Indies" to which the prefix "West" was added later). Columbus could have taken some Indians from India, to see the difference between the two Indians!