The best thing that happened to painting was photography. The best thing to happen to photography was digital photography. Both new things emancipated the old to actually be free and grow. Thanks for sharing this.
My film years started with a Zorki 4K and ended with a Hassy 503CX and a Pentax 645Nii. Shooting film was cheaper in those days and I did everything from cradle to grave, loading 120 film into a tank and then producing the prints with a colour Durst enlarger. It came to a point where my workload meant that I had to send all my film to labs because I just didn't have the time to see the whole process through. That is where I lost control of part of the process. When the Pentax 645Z came out, I went digital and have been using that camera ever since. I still shoot it as if it were a film camera but it's not really the same. How I miss the film years. But if you are running a business then you have to be competitive and clients generally want results the day before you shot them. I will definitely go back to film when I have enough leisure time to enjoy it. I will certainly say that shooting MF digital has not made an impact on my creativity but the organic feel of film is definitely missing. Roll on retirement.
The majority of the viewing public do not give a toss what an image is shot on or how it was shot. What they care about is how that image resonates with them. Take pictures, make connections, and enjoy yourself.
It's not about technology! It must have sounded something like this when painters placed themselves above photography in the last century. Art is universal friends!
Thank you. Not pretentious or condescending. As someone who shoots both film and digital I find this film excellent in describing the varying methodologies of making images.
fantastic documentary, I have just got it, been shooting film 2 years now, and finally got into the 'wet side' … WOW, magic pure as that, what people shoot and how they record it is all personal preference, some like the journey, others the 'instant' gratification of digital (or Polaroid, remember those?); yes, it does cost money, but doesn't every hobby?, its how one expresses themselves, so, just support us in how we find the joy in our lives.
Film? Digital? Does it really matter? Do you think that, even if you leave behind hundreds of rolls of film, they'll survive better than an HDD? Who’s going to scan or print your negatives? No one. History is full of stories about forgotten photographs. Sure, once in a million, there’s a Vivian Maier. Do you want to survive through time? Let’s talk more about looking within ourselves for what we truly have to say and expressing it with the highest intention. Then, print fine art photographs, even 20x30, and archive them, or make a few zines and give them away-it doesn’t matter. Analog photography is perfection embodied in a medium, but cameras are no longer produced, and fully using that medium requires expertise in printing and other techniques. Today, digital is almost the only choice-unless you’re extremely wealthy. Decide what deserves to be created and bring it to life tangibly; whatever you create, whether digital or analog, print it.
Great documentary. Covers a lot. I shoot film in 35mm, 6x9 and 6x17. I shoot color digitally with old classic Nikon DSLRs (D3,D700,D300)with manual focus Nikkor AIS lenses. I shoot both in the same way guitarists play with both electric and acoustic instruments. Cameras are miracles.📷✨
photography still requires all the technical know how film or digital..... Yes, mistakes will teach you how not to make mistakes.... and to fix them....... But you should have all the same desire in your craft no matter what path gets you there.
You don't have to make 1000 photos a day on your digital camera. If you do photography for a while, you understand the concept of "keepers", so you just shot more carefully and deliberately, and you end with the same amount of exposures as in film (50:00 as a proof).
Happy you pointed this out. Pre digital photographers normally shot multiples of a scene to find the keeper, and you can see their process when you look at the archived contact sheets. I feel like today’s younger film photographers tend to expose one or two images and think they have a keeper. It certainly is an extreme opposite from some digital photographers who bracket shoot so much at once. If you understand the concepts of “keepers” the medium you choose has very little to do with it.
I have a Leica M-A, a film camera. I also have a Leica M10-R, a 40mp digital camera. I KNOW that shooting film is a pain in the butt. It's fun to shoot film because it's a pain in the butt, but a "good" photograph is a good photograph pain-in-the-butt or not. In that regard, my M10-R will absolutely run circles around my M-A. With my M10-R I can shoot ten "street" photographs in a matter of just seconds. I can't afford to do that with my M-A.
me and my camera :) all kinds, every kind, any kind:) filmit---I just think I might be keep'n my old, old, and very old cameras, some day I just might find a darkroom and see if I remember all the steps to follow. I always feel like I'm cheating when I point and shoot with the cell phone iPhone 100 or whatever it's up to now daze. What would Eliiot Porter, my teacher, say to me? i PHONY The slower I edit the more I see.. :)
Very romantic movie. Film is so expensive, it’s almost crazy to maintain this lifestyle if you don’t live in a metrópole. But I understand their passion, I wish I could make my pratice and work like that, but this lifestyle is coisa de gringo. We keep trying tho
"The colors that you can get from the analog process... you can't replicate that in digital". Yes, you can. What utter nonsense. That whole statement is objectively bs.
OMG young people have discovered Sex! After developing huge numbers of films and processing to the final print I will leave you to it. My film cameras are now ornaments and very pretty they are too.
You can do it with digital; just, it takes a fair bit of work behind a screen. The closer you want it, the harder it will be - this will change with AI. That said, digital doesn't have the roll off that film has.
If you found a way to match exactly what film produces through a digital process (and for any film stock available), please do share cause you’ll probably get quite rich. Otherwise I’ll assume you are talking out of your ass and have a low threshold for what you consider to be the same thing
Acutance verses digital sharpness and halation come to mind. There are some things about film that are hard to duplicate in digital. In general I agree, but film and analog printing do have some unique characteristics.
@@pedronunes6401 The challenge is not to create filmlike images, but the best images, in terms of the color, the contrast, the sharpness etc. that you want, and that is where digital is superior (with maybe some tiny exceptions in large format). No master in the darkroom can process a film print to the extent - or in the time - as a good amateur can do in Photoshop. That being said, I still do both (from 35 to large format) and enjoy the process, as I learned on film in the eighties.
Programs like these shoukd encourage other people to shoit films. But this makes me feel dissapointed about film photographers even though I shoot films too. this viedo sounds like "all the digital photographers are bad. All the Film photographer here are great and unique". Thats not a good way of looking at the world. I felt like most of the photographers here have a big ego. Just because you shoot films does not make you a better photographer. Most of the "film is great" reasons they talk about is more of a their issue than a digital issue. 1. Just because u have a digital camera, u dont have to shoot thousands of photo. If u cant control that, thats your issue. Not a problem with digital media 2. Just because you shoot digital does not mean you have to chimp. You can stop that. 3. Just becase you shoot digital doesnt mean you have to hurry. U can slow down and take your time. Back in the day when the photography was invented, it was not acceoted as art because of painters were against that. They were saying its not an art. I get the same attitude here. Lets make the film popular again. But dont make orograms like there. 🤦🤦🤦
100% I felt the same. I know it’s a pro film documentary, but there’s an undeniable factor surrounding today’s younger film photographers. Which is that shooting film doesn’t necessarily mean everything you shoot is a keeper. Abandoned barns and classic cars don’t tell a story or have substance just because they’re shot in film. I do love that digital sometime exposes that for some people, because if it wasn’t film would it be a good photograph?
Modern Photography? More like "Film is for art, digital is for unskilled people". When a film photographer intentionally introduce flaws or heavy edits on a photo everyone praises the work but digital photographer, don't you dare on twisting a bit the colors or the photo police is coming for you
I'm from a film era. I started in 1986 and now I shoot both, film and digital. These days shooting film is a hype, in my opinion, a GenZ thing or hipstar kinda thing. Shooting film is a limited, time and money-consuming process, also the processing options are very limited, and film options are limited. With Digital I can shoot from ISO 64 (even lower) to as high as 120,000, exp time from bulb to 1/8000 (in the film that depends on how expensive the camera you have), I can shoot 30 or more FPS (in the film that kind of camera can cost you an organ)........ options are unlimited. In the end, the results & speed matters, tools do not. In my humble opinion.
One of the best if not the best docu about film photography. It covers absolutely every reasons we shoot film. Thank you for sharing!
The best thing that happened to painting was photography. The best thing to happen to photography was digital photography. Both new things emancipated the old to actually be free and grow. Thanks for sharing this.
I had to save this in my Bookmarks so I can watch it again. It's point on describing why we shoot film. Thoroughly enjoyed it!
My film years started with a Zorki 4K and ended with a Hassy 503CX and a Pentax 645Nii. Shooting film was cheaper in those days and I did everything from cradle to grave, loading 120 film into a tank and then producing the prints with a colour Durst enlarger. It came to a point where my workload meant that I had to send all my film to labs because I just didn't have the time to see the whole process through. That is where I lost control of part of the process. When the Pentax 645Z came out, I went digital and have been using that camera ever since. I still shoot it as if it were a film camera but it's not really the same. How I miss the film years. But if you are running a business then you have to be competitive and clients generally want results the day before you shot them. I will definitely go back to film when I have enough leisure time to enjoy it. I will certainly say that shooting MF digital has not made an impact on my creativity but the organic feel of film is definitely missing. Roll on retirement.
The majority of the viewing public do not give a toss what an image is shot on or how it was shot. What they care about is how that image resonates with them. Take pictures, make connections, and enjoy yourself.
Collectors do.
@@kaczynski2333 and photographers do too.
you don't do art for the people, you do it for yourself. If the people like it or not is totally secondary.
@@b2osttech858the reasons people make art are subjective; however, if you're a professional, you had better care why people collect.
@@kaczynski2333 people collect even poop
It's not about technology! It must have sounded something like this when painters placed themselves above photography in the last century. Art is universal friends!
Thank you. Not pretentious or condescending. As someone who shoots both film and digital I find this film excellent in describing the varying methodologies of making images.
fantastic documentary, I have just got it, been shooting film 2 years now, and finally got into the 'wet side' … WOW, magic pure as that, what people shoot and how they record it is all personal preference, some like the journey, others the 'instant' gratification of digital (or Polaroid, remember those?); yes, it does cost money, but doesn't every hobby?, its how one expresses themselves, so, just support us in how we find the joy in our lives.
amazing - important reminder - what are we leaving behind? hard drives?
Film? Digital? Does it really matter? Do you think that, even if you leave behind hundreds of rolls of film, they'll survive better than an HDD? Who’s going to scan or print your negatives? No one. History is full of stories about forgotten photographs. Sure, once in a million, there’s a Vivian Maier. Do you want to survive through time? Let’s talk more about looking within ourselves for what we truly have to say and expressing it with the highest intention. Then, print fine art photographs, even 20x30, and archive them, or make a few zines and give them away-it doesn’t matter.
Analog photography is perfection embodied in a medium, but cameras are no longer produced, and fully using that medium requires expertise in printing and other techniques. Today, digital is almost the only choice-unless you’re extremely wealthy. Decide what deserves to be created and bring it to life tangibly; whatever you create, whether digital or analog, print it.
Prints and books. Nobody will go through your negatives after your death.
up to you what you leave behind, film decay so most film photographers scan their film or prints and luckily they leave hard drives
Great documentary. Covers a lot.
I shoot film in 35mm, 6x9 and 6x17.
I shoot color digitally with old classic Nikon DSLRs (D3,D700,D300)with manual focus Nikkor AIS lenses.
I shoot both in the same way guitarists play with both electric and acoustic instruments.
Cameras are miracles.📷✨
Thank you for sharing! Stay tuned for more content like this!
i love this so much
Im happy. I developped my first b&w film in 1990, thanks dad. 2002 was the end of the world but it was also the year I could afford an Hasselblad
Great job with this doc
Soooooo inspiring ! ! !
photography still requires all the technical know how film or digital..... Yes, mistakes will teach you how not to make mistakes.... and to fix them....... But you should have all the same desire in your craft no matter what path gets you there.
Great documentary,I went back to film I personally find it so much more interesting .
You don't have to make 1000 photos a day on your digital camera. If you do photography for a while, you understand the concept of "keepers", so you just shot more carefully and deliberately, and you end with the same amount of exposures as in film (50:00 as a proof).
Happy you pointed this out. Pre digital photographers normally shot multiples of a scene to find the keeper, and you can see their process when you look at the archived contact sheets. I feel like today’s younger film photographers tend to expose one or two images and think they have a keeper. It certainly is an extreme opposite from some digital photographers who bracket shoot so much at once. If you understand the concepts of “keepers” the medium you choose has very little to do with it.
I needed this. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Just take the picture, man.
great.
I have a Leica M-A, a film camera. I also have a Leica M10-R, a 40mp digital camera. I KNOW that shooting film is a pain in the butt. It's fun to shoot film because it's a pain in the butt, but a "good" photograph is a good photograph pain-in-the-butt or not. In that regard, my M10-R will absolutely run circles around my M-A. With my M10-R I can shoot ten "street" photographs in a matter of just seconds. I can't afford to do that with my M-A.
I just like the process of film honestly. Digital looks better 100%
And film can be cheaper than digital in the short term
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This is one of the best finds on TH-cam - great work - thanks
Great video!
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Art is not created on paper, but in the computing center of the human being
Thanks for sharing!
Fantastic documentary. Thank you.
I probably would have enjoyed this video, but the background music drove me insane in a very short time.
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me and my camera :) all kinds, every kind, any kind:) filmit---I just think I might be keep'n my old, old, and very old cameras, some day I just might find a darkroom and see if I remember all the steps to follow. I always feel like I'm cheating when I point and shoot with the cell phone iPhone 100 or whatever it's up to now daze. What would Eliiot Porter, my teacher, say to me?
i PHONY The slower I edit the more I see.. :)
What happened to the commentary ?
I don't like "gatekeepers".
Very romantic movie. Film is so expensive, it’s almost crazy to maintain this lifestyle if you don’t live in a metrópole. But I understand their passion, I wish I could make my pratice and work like that, but this lifestyle is coisa de gringo. We keep trying tho
"The colors that you can get from the analog process... you can't replicate that in digital".
Yes, you can. What utter nonsense.
That whole statement is objectively bs.
OMG young people have discovered Sex! After developing huge numbers of films and processing to the final print I will leave you to it. My film cameras are now ornaments and very pretty they are too.
While I personally really enjoy the process of shooting film, the idea that it can produce an image that the digital process can't is pure cope.
You can do it with digital; just, it takes a fair bit of work behind a screen. The closer you want it, the harder it will be - this will change with AI.
That said, digital doesn't have the roll off that film has.
If you found a way to match exactly what film produces through a digital process (and for any film stock available), please do share cause you’ll probably get quite rich.
Otherwise I’ll assume you are talking out of your ass and have a low threshold for what you consider to be the same thing
Acutance verses digital sharpness and halation come to mind. There are some things about film that are hard to duplicate in digital. In general I agree, but film and analog printing do have some unique characteristics.
There’s a reason lots of art galleries prefer film over digital as the medium
@@pedronunes6401 The challenge is not to create filmlike images, but the best images, in terms of the color, the contrast, the sharpness etc. that you want, and that is where digital is superior (with maybe some tiny exceptions in large format). No master in the darkroom can process a film print to the extent - or in the time - as a good amateur can do in Photoshop. That being said, I still do both (from 35 to large format) and enjoy the process, as I learned on film in the eighties.
Programs like these shoukd encourage other people to shoit films. But this makes me feel dissapointed about film photographers even though I shoot films too. this viedo sounds like "all the digital photographers are bad. All the Film photographer here are great and unique". Thats not a good way of looking at the world. I felt like most of the photographers here have a big ego. Just because you shoot films does not make you a better photographer. Most of the "film is great" reasons they talk about is more of a their issue than a digital issue.
1. Just because u have a digital camera, u dont have to shoot thousands of photo. If u cant control that, thats your issue. Not a problem with digital media
2. Just because you shoot digital does not mean you have to chimp. You can stop that.
3. Just becase you shoot digital doesnt mean you have to hurry. U can slow down and take your time.
Back in the day when the photography was invented, it was not acceoted as art because of painters were against that. They were saying its not an art. I get the same attitude here. Lets make the film popular again. But dont make orograms like there. 🤦🤦🤦
I'm sure Alec Soth has a lot more to say about Film and Digital but it felt like it got cut because he is unbiased about it.
100% I felt the same. I know it’s a pro film documentary, but there’s an undeniable factor surrounding today’s younger film photographers. Which is that shooting film doesn’t necessarily mean everything you shoot is a keeper. Abandoned barns and classic cars don’t tell a story or have substance just because they’re shot in film. I do love that digital sometime exposes that for some people, because if it wasn’t film would it be a good photograph?
Modern Photography? More like "Film is for art, digital is for unskilled people". When a film photographer intentionally introduce flaws or heavy edits on a photo everyone praises the work but digital photographer, don't you dare on twisting a bit the colors or the photo police is coming for you
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I'm from a film era. I started in 1986 and now I shoot both, film and digital. These days shooting film is a hype, in my opinion, a GenZ thing or hipstar kinda thing. Shooting film is a limited, time and money-consuming process, also the processing options are very limited, and film options are limited. With Digital I can shoot from ISO 64 (even lower) to as high as 120,000, exp time from bulb to 1/8000 (in the film that depends on how expensive the camera you have), I can shoot 30 or more FPS (in the film that kind of camera can cost you an organ)........ options are unlimited. In the end, the results & speed matters, tools do not. In my humble opinion.