My husband and I were at Athens Church (Andy Stanley) one morning and they played a Dave Ramsey video. We were livid! We didn’t get up early and get dressed for that! We finally left there after going for 3 years. We found a small Baptist church and our Pastor preaches the gospel every single Sunday!
"When you meet this man named Jesus it changes the way you look at people." How about when you meet Jesus it changes how you look at yourself? You know, a sinner who needs to repent though the blood of Christ.
Remember folks, if you're not giving so much that paying your bills on time is in jeopardy, your faith is not big enough. -- paraphrasing a church we walked out of.
Give your last dollar! Doesn’t matter if the kids eat or you have gas to put in your car. This comes from small churches too. I despise emotional manipulation. Wish I had figured it out sooner. My sister went to a church about 20 years ago and the pastor scolded and preached about tithing and then passed out an entire box of tithing envelopes to everyone in the congregation! She felt horrible as she had no income to tithe from.
drl15son YEP...They sure do, their massiah is the almighty dollar, unfortunately for those nefarious charlatans, the money they love above our Most High and Righteous Elohiym don't have a hell to keep them out of or a heaven to put them in!!!
Anyone who goes to a church that asks for money or a certain percentage is not a church. We are suppose to help the church, but not required to give so much. I love the Orthodox church and the best one to trust. Please learn and read the orthodox bible and ask questions before you point fingers for we were first . Catholics wanted to change things and that is one reason we split, we WERE NOT going to accept changes to what was given to us. Also the infallibility of the Pope playing God over all Christians. The Patriarche is the leader of the Greek Orthodox, and another one is for Russians and another for the other individual, The only full leader of our church is Jesus Christ Himself!!!!!!!
I wonder how you think a being can be pure and righteous when commands his followers to commit genocide, or purposely hardens someones hard against him and then punishes that person for having a hardened hard? Also, how do you know that everyones righteous actions is solely for selfish reasons? Are you physic? Can you see everyone's motivations? Or do you just believe everyone is a shitty person because that's what you've been conditioned to believe? Can people in your mind not want to be philanthropic because they just want better world in the here and now without any guilt or motivation by superstition? And even if someones philanthropy was motivated by selfish reasons like wanting to be remembered, that doesn't negate the good act itself.
Peregrino Everything we do is stained with sin that’s why we need the gift of imputed righteousness. We grow in our obedience but we could never stand before God in our own righteousness. James 2:10, Gal 3:10-11.
This channel is INCREDIBLY good. Keep it up BezelT3. Love your straightforward and scriptural approach to the subjects. We.came out of the charismatic/prosperity movement 3 years ago and have never been better for it. Biblical teaching is far more unpopular than seeker sensitive fairy floss. And brings in alot less cash...
The problem is that many of the "leaders" of these mega-churches are the ones experiencing the true prosperity. It is like Amway....the leaders suck all the wealth out of the organization while the loyal foot soldiers, mesmerized by the lust for wealth, do all the work.
Salt of Solomon + I know a lot of folks who want that cattle you mentioned... and are getting nothing. I am going to hit the " buzzer " on that comment of yours that claims to speak for the devil: go down to the welfare bureau...or a gambling casino... and tell me there is a shortage of souls sold out to the devil...and getting nothing.
I would never attend a church that wasn't verse by verse. I would also never attend a large church. Just give me the Word one precept built on precept.
Yes, Chris Rosebrough at Pirate Christian does a great job pointing out all of this crazy stuff going on in the Evangelical church of today. Also check out Todd Friel at Wretched Radio.com. I've found both of their podcasts to be very enlightening and eye opening!
Former attender here of SoCal OC megachurches. I admit, it can be quite the amazing experience! I understand how otherwise intelligent and wise people can get suckered. I can understand now how a cult can actually exist. Pretty impressive. The sr pastor at one of the OC megachurches I attended disavowed the title "pastor" and instead wanted to be called a "social entrepreneur". not kidding!
These people sound exactly like Amway distributors. It's a word for word multi level marketing meeting. From the 25 minute mark forward it's the same exact deal. Disgusting. Atrocious behavior. Good point at the 20 minute mark too BEZEL. Well done. I was surprised to hear recently how much of a money maker the tours to Israel are for churches. I never thought of them that way. And on and on and on it goes with churches whoring themselves right and left and right again. It never ends.
I would love for this guy to come and preach this message to the orphans in Africa, for free of course!! It is so easy to preach this message when the audience is wealthy!!
Jesus according to Dave Ramsey: "Hi, there. Name's Jesus Christ. Friends call me JC. Can I tell you about the good news and life-changing products of Amway?"
sorry to see Ramsey doing this. when we took his course, 10 years ago, he was speaking against the "stepping out in faith" financial call. He was the anti-this. yeah, even then, he seemed too stuck in the idea that financial security was the thing. but I thought, hey, that's his call and people need someone to help them learn to do the basics and figure out which disability insurance you need and which is a scam, that sort of thing.
2 CoR 9:7 “So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver.” And 1 Corinthians 16:1-2 “Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given orders to the churches of Galatia, so you must do also: On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come.” It’s implied “tithing” is “giving” so tithing is implied in the New Testament.
Paul said he was the apostle to the Gentiles. They would not have known the Jewish Law. So how can it be implied that the tithe was still applicable? And what about Acts 15 where the very nature of the conference was how much, if any, of the Law still applied? The response didn't mention giving in ANY manner, much less the tithe.
I was raised in a very famous church, you've probably seen their music on television. I began realising how phoney it all was when I went to bible college (night school) run by a separate university - for one assignment, I taught a whole lesson using 'sayings', not scripture and wrapped it up by asking my fellow students "now who said that in history?" - they were all throwing books of the bible at me. They were appalled when they realised they'd been conned by 'fortune cookie Christianity' (for the record I did not lie or misrepresent any of these sayings as scripture). My next lesson, I opened with: "Don't be a M***F---er, God hates M***F---er's! Now let us turn to Leviticus chapter 20" - the lesson was a warning to Christians who use the "New Covenant" through Christ as an excuse to throw out the Old Testament. (for those playing at home - all Mitzvah's in the OT are reiterated in the NT, the way we meet some of these Mitzvah's and the penalty for breaking some of them have changed because Christ pre-paid for us, but the rules still exist). The final straw that caused my family to leave the phoney music church was when we sat through a Sunday morning and realised that the bible was never opened, and the word of God was not mentioned - NOT EVEN ONCE!!! We now attend a church that uses expositional teaching - the entire bible, chapter by chapter and verse by verse. No more money grabs (they don't even talk about it during service unless money/tithes are mentioned in the scripture we're up to that week), no more emotionally manipulative rock concerts, no more guilt trips for not volunteering because I was busy saving lives at work..... I feel like I've been let out of the matrix
Madame Poovie “Survived 2000yrs” ??! Catholics didn’t even exist back then.. on another note did you forget about the crusades?? They didn’t “survived” they just killed anyone who went up against their heresies!! The Catholic Church is the whore of Babylon! Whoring herself to anyone who will accept their “popes” and their idolatry! Come out of her before is too late...
props to you sir for calling this out for the charade it was. it's so unfair to the innocent of the spirit in congregations who don't understand what's really going on there and hand over much much more money than they should (practically, I mean spending money on expensive seminars when things are super tight as it is "on your budget"?? pray and listen to your heart I guess) to an institution they don't really think of as a very srious business with a payroll and people get paid for their positions, eh hem that pays ZERO taxes, WOW NO TAXES WHATSOEVER...now that sounds like heaven, JK . master salesman/actors psychologically manipulating group audiences subliminally through very well thought out linguistically, live group emotionality wise and taylor made "sermons" My favorite part was when his supreme pastorship used a true lesson of Christ < it really comes down to what you gave> knowingly as a closing statement and twisted it as a tool meant purely to put a subltle but steady psychological pressure to attend the imposed event on everyone listening. these guys ain't dumb i'll give em that..
Dave Ramsey brought up the parable of the wise and foolish stewards, and made it about 💰. Jesus said He spoke in parables to the unbelievers, and plainly to the disciples. Ramsey is hearing as the unbelievers would have heard.
Here's a little advice to those of you that want to hear the words of God go read your Bible and those of you that want to hear God talk to you read your Bible out loud simple as that Faith...
Matthew 6:31-34New International Version (NIV)31 So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.
Thanks, BezelT3!!! I've been wondering for years what Dave Ramsey's theology was, as I have *NEVER* heard him give a clear Gospel... BTW... I don't think that the rainbow sign included God being "with" us, always. In fact, I fail to find anywhere where God promises this to Noah and His family, either... Also, when he says that kindness is not self centered but, others centered? I believe the Bible teaches that we should be God/Christ centered and then, kind, compassionate, long-suffering, generous etc... The value of your life is according to what you gave away??? The value of my life is found in Jesus Christ and no other!!! A number of years ago, I used to hear Dave Ramsey on Christian radio. At that time, he was much better and stuck purely to financial advice. However, this is like a train wreck and he seems to have derailed, somewhere along the way... Thanks again, BezelT3... God Bless... :-)
This is a FACT about mega-churches. I was also a part of one. It was also a church cult. My only issue is that when you start with a faulty premise, you cannot go back and change it without destroying the foundation and rebuilding from scratch. The Bible used as the tool to refute these "false teachings" is IMO a faulty premise. For example, stating what mega churches do is wrong using bible scriptures is what most people do but it never works. The Bible is not objective truth. As we have seen by both "good" and "bad" churches is that scriptures are subject to mean whatever the observer/hearer intends them to mean in that particular context. Until Christians stop deifying the Bible change is futile.
amazing. It appears he has found the 'goose that lays the golden egg' - Jesus, the ultimate guru!. 2 Peter 2:1-3 "But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them-bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping." Still, can't blame these deceived leaders completely. If God's people loved his word more than riches these men would have no audience.
These pastors in the examples are basically younger versions of the motivational speaker Tony Robbins, but using Christian lingo and meeting in large community center type Churches, with either a dove, hands praying, a star, American flag, or whatever symbol.
We followed Dave's steps and we are out of dept. It was very helpful. I don't give to my church amymore. In fact, I don't go there anymore either. My wife still goes and tithes. I give outside the church as I feel lead. Churches should not ask for a tithe. Tithing money isn't even in the bible.
As a seminary student this makes me sick to my stomach...I pray I never fall into this worldly garbage or allow it anywhere near the people Christ places in my care!!
Edward Sather + sure Ed...that is how it is done. " Let's go Mega". Don't you think increasing a church's presence and membership could take a LITTLE more than that!?
Great job bezel333. I had heard alot of people talk great things about Dave Ramsey but after seeing this video, he comes across as word of faith / pragmatic. About 3/4 through that video, the sales pitch from the church staff members was very irritating and down right manipulative.
I'm a pastor of a very small new start church. i work a job to help pay bills. i made a comment in one of our district pastors meetings that the topic of discussion sounded more to me like we were trying to figure out ways to keep the money machine crankin than reaching lost people. seems i have not made any friends with comments like that. But it is true making money seems to be a main focus these days.
David Coleman, stay the course, Brother. Keep your eyes on Christ alone. We need solid, Bible teaching pastors who can point people toward the Truth of God's word. God be your strength, wisdom and might.
The mega church I came out of the Pastor and his (Pastrix) wife are at the top of the pyramid scheme. They have four estates (a few lakefront) each with a value of about one million dollars. The only way they could have afforded this was off the backs of those people who were told that God would pour them out a blessing when they gave their hard earned money when they passed the bucket. (I guess a bucket is supposed to make you want to give more). I am so glad my eyes were opened to the prosperity gospel and now have nothing to do with this church. I sincerely hope others open their eyes to these wolves and get into the Word of God and see what it says for yourself.
rickovideo + you were kicked out by Jesus because you are a Gossip. They are lucky to get rid of you. Please shut those newly opened eyes of yours when you pass my Church and stay away.
Holy Ghost will guide you to the truth always. Jesus is the Truth.He opened your eyes. Jesus will be with you everyday until the last day of this earth. Keep searching him in private prayer. Jesus loves you.
I came out of a prosperity church a couple of years ago, although I was raised baptist. one thing they always do is hype up the offering, they use music to sway your emotions and then they tell you GOD will only bless you if you give to the church, its also always at least 30 minutes long and by the time your done you realized you just gave money for 3 or 4 causes and they make bank!!! its a disgrace!!!!!!!!!!
You know I never realised that ALL these Pentecostal/Charismatic churches were preaching a prosperity gospel. Some of them sound legit, but you read between the lines and almost every sermon (if not EVERY sermon) is about giving money and being blessed. The devil is cunning in his deceit and he uses subtlety to great effect. This emerging church is all about money and steering people away from the Lord too. What gets me is that so many people are flocking to these churches. I mean if I had a spiritual need and sought God and went to Joel Osteen's church, after a couple of weeks I would realise that I'm not being fed and would leave. The question is, is it a lack of common sense or is it a lack of the spirit of discernment. I dont understand how people feel like they're being fed and are growing spiritually at these churches.
69829Dave I'm sorry for the confusion. I meant to say to that when I became an adult and started reading the Bible myself and praying (not in tongues) that I felt more filled with the Spirit than I ever had.
I am so sick of seeing and hearing my own small town pastor talk about books, books, books...every book he has ever read...he does talk about the Bible but not nearly enough...I am so sick of these books I could puke!
Find another church or start one you are not getting fed their pastor would rather proclaim money than the Gospel of Christ I would leave that church if I went their and the elders should defrock that pastor and get one who teaches the bible.
@Gospel Church & World No it doesn't sound pious and Holy it sounds like Biblical truth....I'm not sure if you know this but God actually provides for poor people and their temporal needs too.
@Gospel Church & World if you really believe that God provides for all of our needs then why did you think it was a good idea to talk down to Miami Night when they stated that there wealth came when they were saved and that there treasure was in Heaven along with the Heavenly Father???
@Gospel Church & World No not a dodge,you mentioned in your last post conflation which is exactly what you did when using 2nd Corinthians 9:8 as backing for your unBiblical view God's word .....that verse has absolutely nothing to do with earthly riches so there is no need for me to reply.....and you don't know me or how much Bible knowledge I may or may not have that's called presumption and as you have proven is a fools error.....and calling me Stupid shows how weak you argument really is, and if by Calvinism you mean predestination for salvation, irresistibley chosen by God and not anything to do with me, then yes ,I am a Calvinist....I'm not sure but it sounds like you're into the Word of Faith heresy.
David Ramsey's financial principles are sound in terms of staying out of debt but his understanding of Scripture is limited in my opinion. The Bible is a story of man's falling away from God and God giving us a path back to God via the Salvation Jesus gave us on the cross.
@Gospel Church & World David Ramsey believes that God wants everyone wealthy. This is not the case, while we are to be good stewards with our $$, there will always be the poor amongst us, Listen to him carefully and you will understand what I am getting at.
I was part of a similar church in Australia a number of years ago... this is making me twitch. All of this was common in my old church. The money talks, the manipulation, the drive for more new people at the expense of discipling the faithful sheep. The PTSD is kicking in. I'm so thankful that God gave me eyes to see the lies and saved me and my wife from this futility.
This actually makes my stomach turn. My parents, my sister and her husband did this program. I did not realize how crooked it is. I was going to do it myself, thanking God now, that he kept me away from it. My heart is just torn from all the things myself and my family have been fooled by through the church. My sister and her husband want nothing to do with the things that God is exposing to me through His word about what we have been taught all of our lives. They are bound to these false teachers. Thank you for this video.
This video is awesome! I think all Christians should watch this and be aware of what your churches are telling you and how they are leading you. This critique continually goes back to what is important--that Jesus died for us to save us from our own death in sin and coming judgement of our heavenly Father who is loving and just. Stewardship matters, but THIS--this gospel truth is WHY we come together--not to be financially free, but to be free from the weight of our sin. Make sure THIS IS what your church is teaching you. Don't get caught up in feeding the beast of the megachurch--you will regret it. I promise you.
The bad part is that real Christians know this is exactly what Christianity preaches against. These poor souls have no clue that are damning themselves by listening to these wolves in sheep's clothing..
Amy Burke + Come on Amy... you are only thinking that it is " Our " Churches that need a spiritual spanking!? Nothing could possibly be wrong in yours...only correct doctrine going on in there, Right? Gimme a brake.
I went to a church that was always having offerings for one thing or another, the the straw that broke the camels back will rather the railway sleeper 😬 was Creflo give me all your dollars turning up 😖 ps the church is in Edinburgh !
these false prophets have learned how to pimp out the word of GOD , if they continue to use GOD's word for the evil deeds they are engaged I am sure the Hell holds a reservation in their name for instead of leading the flock they have fleeced it. p s GREAT VIDEO
He told on himself as he admonished his congregation for NOT knowing the word of God.....hmmm. I wonder who could be used to reach the word...a pastor perhaps...?
🙏💕“Dear Heavenly Father, I know that I have broken your laws and my sins have separated me from you. I am truly sorry, and now I want to turn away from my past sinful life toward you. Please forgive me, and help me avoid sinning again. I believe that your son, Jesus Christ died for my sins, was resurrected from the dead, is alive, and hears my prayer. I invite Jesus to become the Lord of my life, to rule and reign in my heart from this day forward. Please send your Holy Spirit to help me obey You, and to do Your will for the rest of my life. In Jesus' name I pray, Amen
The value of a life is absolutely not based on "how much you gave away". That is extremely twisted especially considering the context of money and finances he just said that in. Luke 21. Bill Gates is exceedingly generous yet if he dies without faith in Jesus he will absolutely not enter into eternity in heaven.
I couldn't sit through a whole service with this kind of teaching! The word of God is exciting, powerful, and filled with hope, that this man's babbling is absolutely boring!
Make no mistake, this is a profit-sharing venture. The church will put it on all the home groups as a mandatory task, which will guarantee sales of X number of units. The church will buy the units in bulk at a discount and then sell to the people at sticker price. Church pockets the difference. That’s why they’re so motivated to sell this on Ramsey’s behalf. He’s financially rewarding them for the hard sales pitch. It’s MLM 101. If your church is big enough to buy XX units, you can spend enough to get a personal visit. Ramsey builds his empire, churches get a cut of the profit, and poor people must pay-to-play if they want to advance in ministry.
What a misuse of the information. First off if you can’t even get the guy name right it shows how much research and context you’ve actually studied (Dave Ramsey). I agree that church’s - mega churches in particular need to be run a certain way to receive cash. That’s all well and good, however to swing to the next side of the pendulum is really weak. First off, the Bible speaks so much on the topic of money, it’s dangers and snares! The truth is the Church should be preaching more on money - the right way! How it becomes our focus of worship in our day to day lives etc. Secondly, I’ve done the course offered by Dave Ramsey. Living in a 3rd world country listening to your opinions of the teaching - which you clearly haven’t done, is really poor when you are criticizing the way you are. The information, and principles in the course help move people away from this cultural approach to money and back to how God instructs us. The only valid argument I do see as holding merit here is the use of this course to raise giving maybe? I don’t know the church, so I cannot comment. However, your opinion what and how a church should lead their services is really a matter of opinion. And since it’s your video and view you’re entitled to it. If that is the argument then by all means. However don’t judge the work of Dave Ramsey based on the church’s use of it. Being a young pastor, I want the people I shepherd to live in financial freedom (and that’s not being rich) but being free from living after material wealth, and status. The churches in the Western world is so bias both ways - money is spiritual and needs to be addressed! Of course not the way ‘sow a seed’ doctrine is thrown around, but true biblical means. I like this channel, and definitely have benefited from the work you’ve done, so thank you. This one however needs a bit more research before you make such claims.
These false teachers keep their "flock" in bondage because if people would read their Bible's they would see that tithing is an O.T. law. Now the disciples asked for $ to take care of the widows, orphans and the church. The church being people not a $$$$ building. And this is to be our example. Jesus never said if you are greedy and want material stuff then give me your money. Widows, orphans n food n shelter for the preachers, missionaries n those who are in need, that's it.
Dave Ramsey is in the business of financial consulting with a Christian emphasis. That is what was shown here. I think it is a misstep, as a fellow Christian, that he tried to turn his normal financial methodologies into a sermon-which he is not a preacher nor claims to be one. While what Dave Ramsey teaches is nothing new it has helped many people get out of debt, become better givers and save for retirement. He teaches about building wealth not prosperity gospel which is a clear difference and in no way synonymous. He has a free national radio program and free podcasts where he gives free common sense financial advice. With all of that being said, Ramsey does take a bit to get used to in his personality style. I think BEZELT3 is right that the big misstep is the megachurch even taking Sunday worship away for what is otherwise freely available. Short sighted of Ramsey for taking the gig.
I agree David Ramsey should not be doing his presentation during a Sunday service. BEZELT3, I appreciate your passion and dedication to God and telling it like it is.
The prosperity gospel disgusts me even more than the fundamentalist (speaking in tongues, apocalyptic prophecies, everything's Satan/a demon . . . "I rebuke this, I rebuke that! In Jesus' name, of course." Conspiracies everywhere & hate government yet want to take it over) types I was raised by, and still have to deal with. That's bad, since I'm a devoted Wiccan and have been for years. I've come to see the fundamentalist and charismatic versions of Christianity as heresy, but the prosperity gospel is actually worse, and that's saying something. Following Jesus is supposed to be about sacrifice, not enrichment. As a Wiccan, both fundamentalist/charismatic (I know, they're not exact mirror twins, but the difference is relatively negligible) and prosperity gospel Christianity look to me just like forms of witchcraft - only they make it worse by trying to use Jesus' name to make it happen. Isn't this blasphemous to a certain degree to run around trying to exercise supernatural power in Jesus' name in order to get your will instead of Jesus' will?
My old church held FPU classes as well. My wife and I went through it and learned a lot about managing money. Within just a few years we're almost debt free, to include our home being paid off. Two college loans of ours, thousands of dollars racked up from poor choices, car loans, etc all paid off by using the technique he's teaching. Now we pay cash for everything, even for our two son's colleges. It truly was life changing once we knew how money actually worked. With all of that said, it shouldn't have been a Sunday Worship service presentation. Not being a slave to the lender is a biblical principle. Overall when churches bring this program in it does seem that being able to give more to the church seems to be the underlying theme they want you to take away. What good does it do to teach someone how to live debt free if you don't teach them about Christ who made the ultimate debt payment?
Ron Budman why do you want these men to look good ? What benefit is there in clothing ? Do you not understand it's not how one looks on the outward appearance but what's in his heart that matters ? Love and Peace. . . . . .
Don't worry, they have plenty of money for clothing. These stage outfits have been carefully thought out by P.R. experts to present just the image they want. It is all for show.
Isn't that shameful when they preach prosperity gospel and use Jesus as the reference, while Jesus didn't have a place to put His head on? Didn't Jesus say to pray for Heavenly Kingdom and that everything else will be added? Or not to worry about tomorrow? Or to lay up treasures in heaven, not on earth... How do these teachers come from the verses of the Bible to the prosperity gospel, one wonders? They preach what their followers want to hear! "They shall gather to themselves teachers to suit their own desires..."
Benny Hinn said,on national tv, that he doesn't care about any treasures in heaven,he wants his gold NOW.And that, right there ,is the philosophyof these "prosperity" preachers.
My husband and I were at Athens Church (Andy Stanley) one morning and they played a Dave Ramsey video. We were livid! We didn’t get up early and get dressed for that! We finally left there after going for 3 years. We found a small Baptist church and our Pastor preaches the gospel every single Sunday!
@Gospel Church & World Rubbish.
You were livid, but you stayed 3 years?? 🤔
@@kaykerley8786 No ma’am, this happened not too long before we left for good.
@@kaykerley8786 it’s been two years since I left that comment, I had to go back and read what you were replying to! 😄
"When you meet this man named Jesus it changes the way you look at people."
How about when you meet Jesus it changes how you look at yourself? You know, a sinner who needs to repent though the blood of Christ.
Remember folks, if you're not giving so much that paying your bills on time is in jeopardy, your faith is not big enough. -- paraphrasing a church we walked out of.
Give your last dollar! Doesn’t matter if the kids eat or you have gas to put in your car. This comes from small churches too. I despise emotional manipulation. Wish I had figured it out sooner. My sister went to a church about 20 years ago and the pastor scolded and preached about tithing and then passed out an entire box of tithing envelopes to everyone in the congregation! She felt horrible as she had no income to tithe from.
I would have left the church and their envelopes would still be on the pew @@ritadyer3770
Those Mega Church Pastors have another Jesus.
drl15son yup, there master is the god of this world. Sadly, they are leading all these people astray
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YEP...They sure do, their massiah is the almighty dollar, unfortunately for those nefarious charlatans, the money they love above our Most High and Righteous Elohiym don't have a hell to keep them out of or a heaven to put them in!!!
Don't forget their crotches!
Anyone who goes to a church that asks for money or a certain percentage is not a church. We are suppose to help the church, but not required to give so much. I love the Orthodox church and the best one to trust. Please learn and read the orthodox bible and ask questions before you point fingers for we were first . Catholics wanted to change things and that is one reason we split, we WERE NOT going to accept changes to what was given to us. Also the infallibility of the Pope playing God over all Christians. The Patriarche is the leader of the Greek Orthodox, and another one is for Russians and another for the other individual, The only full leader of our church is Jesus Christ Himself!!!!!!!
they spew doctrines of demons and preach a works based salvation, damnation is a fact of life for false teachers!
There is no value in any of our lives but the blood of Christ. All our righteousness is as filthy rags!
Yip - they read Luke 4:7 "If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine." but didn't bother to read WHO said it!!!
If "our righteousness is as filthy rags", then your deity doesn't actualy care about morality or being a good person.
I wonder how you think a being can be pure and righteous when commands his followers to commit genocide, or purposely hardens someones hard against him and then punishes that person for having a hardened hard? Also, how do you know that everyones righteous actions is solely for selfish reasons? Are you physic? Can you see everyone's motivations? Or do you just believe everyone is a shitty person because that's what you've been conditioned to believe? Can people in your mind not want to be philanthropic because they just want better world in the here and now without any guilt or motivation by superstition? And even if someones philanthropy was motivated by selfish reasons like wanting to be remembered, that doesn't negate the good act itself.
Peregrino Everything we do is stained with sin that’s why we need the gift of imputed righteousness. We grow in our obedience but we could never stand before God in our own righteousness. James 2:10, Gal 3:10-11.
This channel is INCREDIBLY good. Keep it up BezelT3. Love your straightforward and scriptural approach to the subjects. We.came out of the charismatic/prosperity movement 3 years ago and have never been better for it. Biblical teaching is far more unpopular than seeker sensitive fairy floss. And brings in alot less cash...
Beard Tech + so glad you are happy being sick and poor.
the problem with the prosperity gospel is that it works. The devil will give you the cattle on a thousand hills if its this world that you want
perfect slogan and truth!
The problem is that many of the "leaders" of these mega-churches are the ones experiencing the true prosperity. It is like Amway....the leaders suck all the wealth out of the organization while the loyal foot soldiers, mesmerized by the lust for wealth, do all the work.
Salt of Solomon + I know a lot of folks who want that cattle you mentioned... and are getting nothing. I am going to hit the " buzzer " on that comment of yours that claims to speak for the devil: go down to the welfare bureau...or a gambling casino... and tell me there is a shortage of souls sold out to the devil...and getting nothing.
perfectly said
Salt of Solomon it works in this world. But in the afterlife they are less lucky.
So odd that they charge for church seminars... especially financial ones 😅😅
Megachurches are the best fronts for new atheism
I would never attend a church that wasn't verse by verse. I would also never attend a large church. Just give me the Word one precept built on precept.
Rich C ..Thank you! And that will I do..No more big church .Too many PROSPERITY PIMPING PREACHER'S...502c3 LOVER'S!
Very good job Bezelt3. First time I've noticed your videos. The whole thing saddens me terribly.
Robert Potratz awe, your beautiful..
This is good stuff, discovered you through the Messed Up Church blog on Pirate Christian Radio.
Yes, Chris Rosebrough at Pirate Christian does a great job pointing out all of this crazy stuff going on in the Evangelical church of today. Also check out Todd Friel at Wretched Radio.com. I've found both of their podcasts to be very enlightening and eye opening!
Ditto
Former attender here of SoCal OC megachurches. I admit, it can be quite the amazing experience! I understand how otherwise intelligent and wise people can get suckered. I can understand now how a cult can actually exist. Pretty impressive. The sr pastor at one of the OC megachurches I attended disavowed the title "pastor" and instead wanted to be called a "social entrepreneur". not kidding!
thank you for the effort of putting this videos and make christians reflect on their ways. Im bless by this; thanks again
Even the church that I attend, nazarene church, has gotten into this type of crap. I give offering every month. To my parents who are getting older.
Julio Smith good for you and them
Julio Smith That's right..These are the NWO evil PROSPERITY PIMPING FALSE PREACHER'S SODOMITE'S CHURCH..FREE MASON'S DEMONIC...
These people sound exactly like Amway distributors. It's a word for word multi level marketing meeting. From the 25 minute mark forward it's the same exact deal. Disgusting.
Atrocious behavior. Good point at the 20 minute mark too BEZEL. Well done.
I was surprised to hear recently how much of a money maker the tours to Israel are for churches. I never thought of them that way. And on and on and on it goes with churches whoring themselves right and left and right again. It never ends.
I would love for this guy to come and preach this message to the orphans in Africa, for free of course!! It is so easy to preach this message when the audience is wealthy!!
Amen.Amen.Halleluyah .praise Lord .God bless you all .Amen.
Jesus according to Dave Ramsey:
"Hi, there. Name's Jesus Christ. Friends call me JC. Can I tell you about the good news and life-changing products of Amway?"
sorry to see Ramsey doing this. when we took his course, 10 years ago, he was speaking against the "stepping out in faith" financial call. He was the anti-this. yeah, even then, he seemed too stuck in the idea that financial security was the thing. but I thought, hey, that's his call and people need someone to help them learn to do the basics and figure out which disability insurance you need and which is a scam, that sort of thing.
W Fla Thank you for the teaching's of his deception..God bless u dear..
Correct. But the rest of his understanding of the Bible and the gospel is poor
@Tiger Momma True, But definetly not from the pulpit.
2 CoR 9:7 “So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver.” And
1 Corinthians 16:1-2 “Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given orders to the churches of Galatia, so you must do also: On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come.” It’s implied “tithing” is “giving” so tithing is implied in the New Testament.
Paul said he was the apostle to the Gentiles. They would not have known the Jewish Law. So how can it be implied that the tithe was still applicable? And what about Acts 15 where the very nature of the conference was how much, if any, of the Law still applied? The response didn't mention giving in ANY manner, much less the tithe.
I was raised in a very famous church, you've probably seen their music on television. I began realising how phoney it all was when I went to bible college (night school) run by a separate university - for one assignment, I taught a whole lesson using 'sayings', not scripture and wrapped it up by asking my fellow students "now who said that in history?" - they were all throwing books of the bible at me. They were appalled when they realised they'd been conned by 'fortune cookie Christianity' (for the record I did not lie or misrepresent any of these sayings as scripture). My next lesson, I opened with: "Don't be a M***F---er, God hates M***F---er's! Now let us turn to Leviticus chapter 20" - the lesson was a warning to Christians who use the "New Covenant" through Christ as an excuse to throw out the Old Testament. (for those playing at home - all Mitzvah's in the OT are reiterated in the NT, the way we meet some of these Mitzvah's and the penalty for breaking some of them have changed because Christ pre-paid for us, but the rules still exist). The final straw that caused my family to leave the phoney music church was when we sat through a Sunday morning and realised that the bible was never opened, and the word of God was not mentioned - NOT EVEN ONCE!!! We now attend a church that uses expositional teaching - the entire bible, chapter by chapter and verse by verse. No more money grabs (they don't even talk about it during service unless money/tithes are mentioned in the scripture we're up to that week), no more emotionally manipulative rock concerts, no more guilt trips for not volunteering because I was busy saving lives at work..... I feel like I've been let out of the matrix
Madame Poovie
“Survived 2000yrs” ??! Catholics didn’t even exist back then..
on another note did you forget about the crusades?? They didn’t “survived” they just killed anyone who went up against their heresies!!
The Catholic Church is the whore of Babylon! Whoring herself to anyone who will accept their “popes” and their idolatry! Come out of her before is too late...
props to you sir for calling this out for the charade it was. it's so unfair to the innocent of the spirit in congregations who don't understand what's really going on there and hand over much much more money than they should (practically, I mean spending money on expensive seminars when things are super tight as it is "on your budget"?? pray and listen to your heart I guess) to an institution they don't really think of as a very srious business with a payroll and people get paid for their positions, eh hem that pays ZERO taxes, WOW NO TAXES WHATSOEVER...now that sounds like heaven, JK . master salesman/actors psychologically manipulating group audiences subliminally through very well thought out linguistically, live group emotionality wise and taylor made "sermons" My favorite part was when his supreme pastorship used a true lesson of Christ < it really comes down to what you gave> knowingly as a closing statement and twisted it as a tool meant purely to put a subltle but steady psychological pressure to attend the imposed event on everyone listening. these guys ain't dumb i'll give em that..
I looove your videos!!!
New subscriber here - love your work - God bless!
Dave Ramsey brought up the parable of the wise and foolish stewards, and made it about 💰. Jesus said He spoke in parables to the unbelievers, and plainly to the disciples. Ramsey is hearing as the unbelievers would have heard.
A Grotta + then tear all of Jesus' parables out of your Bible if you are a sincere believer. I want you to report back to me when done.
Mostly good what does that mean
the mega church age is over... God's judgment is around the corner as our LOrd comes back....the love of money is the root of all evil
I like Dave Ramsey but I'm not sure why he would be giving a sermon. Lots of churches offer his classes outside of the church service.
Great Video
@29:16 AMEN!
its all about money. Jesus = Money (for mega churches)
What does BEZELT3 mean??
Dave Ramsey believe in law of attraction ☹️ enough said 🤦🏻♀️
Explain
Great teaching
Here's a little advice to those of you that want to hear the words of God go read your Bible and those of you that want to hear God talk to you read your Bible out loud simple as that Faith...
Upon our deaths, our lives are measured by how much we gave away?
Matthew 6:31-34New International Version (NIV)31 So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.
29:00 "[Jesus], whose life was of infinite worth." Uh yeah, "Pass this cup before me," =P. But srsly, good show.
Thanks, BezelT3!!! I've been wondering for years what Dave Ramsey's theology was, as I have *NEVER* heard him give a clear Gospel...
BTW... I don't think that the rainbow sign included God being "with" us, always. In fact, I fail to find anywhere where God promises this to Noah and His family, either... Also, when he says that kindness is not self centered but, others centered? I believe the Bible teaches that we should be God/Christ centered and then, kind, compassionate, long-suffering, generous etc... The value of your life is according to what you gave away??? The value of my life is found in Jesus Christ and no other!!! A number of years ago, I used to hear Dave Ramsey on Christian radio. At that time, he was much better and stuck purely to financial advice. However, this is like a train wreck and he seems to have derailed, somewhere along the way...
Thanks again, BezelT3... God Bless... :-)
This is a FACT about mega-churches. I was also a part of one. It was also a church cult. My only issue is that when you start with a faulty premise, you cannot go back and change it without destroying the foundation and rebuilding from scratch. The Bible used as the tool to refute these "false teachings" is IMO a faulty premise. For example, stating what mega churches do is wrong using bible scriptures is what most people do but it never works. The Bible is not objective truth. As we have seen by both "good" and "bad" churches is that scriptures are subject to mean whatever the observer/hearer intends them to mean in that particular context. Until Christians stop deifying the Bible change is futile.
@540 but, but, but then they would know hes conning them?
This is there reward.
Jesus, it’s good business.
Ugh I’m so tired of the untucked shirt pastors. All the car salesman pitches for attending a service of some sort. It’s cringe inducing.
Ever notice how these prosperity mega church preachers often wear jeans and dark shirts? Curious. 🤔✝️✝️✝️
amazing. It appears he has found the 'goose that lays the golden egg' - Jesus, the ultimate guru!. 2 Peter 2:1-3
"But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them-bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping." Still, can't blame these deceived leaders completely. If God's people loved his word more than riches these men would have no audience.
Rico Act Racketing Religion
Typical fast talking snake oil salesman. Just repackaging of basic rules by a slick dude using made up personal stories.
These pastors in the examples are basically younger versions of the motivational speaker Tony Robbins, but using Christian lingo and meeting in large community center type Churches, with either a dove, hands praying, a star, American flag, or whatever symbol.
It's a money making business in the name of religion.
We followed Dave's steps and we are out of dept. It was very helpful. I don't give to my church amymore. In fact, I don't go there anymore either. My wife still goes and tithes. I give outside the church as I feel lead. Churches should not ask for a tithe. Tithing money isn't even in the bible.
As a seminary student this makes me sick to my stomach...I pray I never fall into this worldly garbage or allow it anywhere near the people Christ places in my care!!
When churches want to go mega and beg from the Brethren, I turn away. Apostasy is incurable.
Edward Sather Me too. millions have figured out the truth about the daughters of the harlot!!
Edward Sather + sure Ed...that is how it is done. " Let's go Mega". Don't you think increasing a church's presence and membership could take a LITTLE more than that!?
Great job bezel333. I had heard alot of people talk great things about Dave Ramsey but after seeing this video, he comes across as word of faith / pragmatic. About 3/4 through that video, the sales pitch from the church staff members was very irritating and down right manipulative.
I'm a pastor of a very small new start church. i work a job to help pay bills. i made a comment in one of our district pastors meetings that the topic of discussion sounded more to me like we were trying to figure out ways to keep the money machine crankin than reaching lost people. seems i have not made any friends with comments like that. But it is true making money seems to be a main focus these days.
David Coleman I recommend you try visiting an Orthodox Christian Church or an Orthodox Christian Church Retreat that may help you find your way.
Is there anything that can be done to reverse that kind of mindset?
David Coleman, stay the course, Brother. Keep your eyes on Christ alone. We need solid, Bible teaching pastors who can point people toward the Truth of God's word. God be your strength, wisdom and might.
@Just Me AMEN!
David Coleman Where is your church PASTOR?? So many if us are LOOKING for the true House of the Most High GOD CREATOR Of HEAVEN AND EARTH...
you can not use the Holy Spirit, you must be open to let the Holy Spirit use you!
The mega church I came out of the Pastor and his (Pastrix) wife are at the top of the pyramid scheme. They have four estates (a few lakefront) each with a value of about one million dollars. The only way they could have afforded this was off the backs of those people who were told that God would pour them out a blessing when they gave their hard earned money when they passed the bucket. (I guess a bucket is supposed to make you want to give more).
I am so glad my eyes were opened to the prosperity gospel and now have nothing to do with this church. I sincerely hope others open their eyes to these wolves and get into the Word of God and see what it says for yourself.
rickovideo + you were kicked out by Jesus because you are a Gossip. They are lucky to get rid of you. Please shut those newly opened eyes of yours when you pass my Church and stay away.
The prosperity gospel is another gospel and happy to hear you got out of there
rickovideo Amen and Amen Brother!!! Money is the God of these folk! So very unbiblical to reduce everything of Jesus to money!!!
Holy Ghost will guide you to the truth always. Jesus is the Truth.He opened your eyes. Jesus will be with you everyday until the last day of this earth. Keep searching him in private prayer. Jesus loves you.
Im also out.. im glad im out.. they dont preach the Jesus of the Bible but a different jesus... stay blessed
Yes folks read your bible. I'm fairly certain that pastor just said the rainbow came before the flood. Big no-no, so long as memory serves.
Yeah, he did! Mmmm, it's like he doesn't know the Bible or something.
That's what I thought I heard! I thought my mind was playing tricks on me.
I came out of a prosperity church a couple of years ago, although I was raised baptist.
one thing they always do is hype up the offering, they use music to sway your emotions and then they tell you GOD will only bless you if you give to the church,
its also always at least 30 minutes long and by the time your done you realized you just gave money for 3 or 4 causes and they make bank!!!
its a disgrace!!!!!!!!!!
You know I never realised that ALL these Pentecostal/Charismatic churches were preaching a prosperity gospel. Some of them sound legit, but you read between the lines and almost every sermon (if not EVERY sermon) is about giving money and being blessed.
The devil is cunning in his deceit and he uses subtlety to great effect.
This emerging church is all about money and steering people away from the Lord too.
What gets me is that so many people are flocking to these churches.
I mean if I had a spiritual need and sought God and went to Joel Osteen's church, after a couple of weeks I would realise that I'm not being fed and would leave.
The question is, is it a lack of common sense or is it a lack of the spirit of discernment. I dont understand how people feel like they're being fed and are growing spiritually at these churches.
Princess Carlie good for u! I was raised Pentecostal but left when I became an Adult. Hopefully my parents will see the light.
Princess Carlie so true I have visited , ,egalitarian
I have visited mega churches I was so disappointed
69829Dave I'm sorry for the confusion. I meant to say to that when I became an adult and started reading the Bible myself and praying (not in tongues) that I felt more filled with the Spirit than I ever had.
I am so sick of seeing and hearing my own small town pastor talk about books, books, books...every book he has ever read...he does talk about the Bible but not nearly enough...I am so sick of these books I could puke!
Find another church or start one you are not getting fed their pastor would rather proclaim money than the Gospel of Christ I would leave that church if I went their and the elders should defrock that pastor and get one who teaches the bible.
You know, we've always been poor, but my wealth came, when I became saved. My treasures are in Heaven, along with my Father. God bless 🕎🕊💜🙏
Amen, that is the wealth I am grateful for every day
@Gospel Church & World No it doesn't sound pious and Holy it sounds like Biblical truth....I'm not sure if you know this but God actually provides for poor people and their temporal needs too.
@Gospel Church & World if you really believe that God provides for all of our needs then why did you think it was a good idea to talk down to Miami Night when they stated that there wealth came when they were saved and that there treasure was in Heaven along with the Heavenly Father???
@Gospel Church & World it might be time for you to take a long look in the mirror and an even longer one into your Bible.
@Gospel Church & World No not a dodge,you mentioned in your last post conflation which is exactly what you did when using 2nd Corinthians 9:8 as backing for your unBiblical view God's word .....that verse has absolutely nothing to do with earthly riches so there is no need for me to reply.....and you don't know me or how much Bible knowledge I may or may not have that's called presumption and as you have proven is a fools error.....and calling me Stupid shows how weak you argument really is, and if by Calvinism you mean predestination for salvation, irresistibley chosen by God and not anything to do with me, then yes ,I am a Calvinist....I'm not sure but it sounds like you're into the Word of Faith heresy.
If anyone preaches a gospel other than this he is accursed including "prosperity" gospel
Do you think they'll go to hell?
ST8URCASE Yes..
That's what accursed means
David Ramsey's financial principles are sound in terms of staying out of debt but his understanding of Scripture is limited in my opinion. The Bible is a story of man's falling away from God and God giving us a path back to God via the Salvation Jesus gave us on the cross.
Agree. Great financial advisor but should not be speaking on theology.
@Gospel Church & World David Ramsey believes that God wants everyone wealthy. This is not the case, while we are to be good stewards with our $$, there will always be the poor amongst us, Listen to him carefully and you will understand what I am getting at.
I was part of a similar church in Australia a number of years ago... this is making me twitch. All of this was common in my old church. The money talks, the manipulation, the drive for more new people at the expense of discipling the faithful sheep. The PTSD is kicking in. I'm so thankful that God gave me eyes to see the lies and saved me and my wife from this futility.
@gospelchurchworld1230 rubbish you are typing here
Such an intelligent comment! Amazing....lol@@rispergichuki3172
This actually makes my stomach turn. My parents, my sister and her husband did this program. I did not realize how crooked it is. I was going to do it myself, thanking God now, that he kept me away from it. My heart is just torn from all the things myself and my family have been fooled by through the church. My sister and her husband want nothing to do with the things that God is exposing to me through His word about what we have been taught all of our lives. They are bound to these false teachers. Thank you for this video.
Leah Shanley my family as well they don’t want to hear anything I have to say about the church their going to it’s so far from the Bible
"The love of money is the root of all evil." It's all Idolatry.
This video is awesome! I think all Christians should watch this and be aware of what your churches are telling you and how they are leading you. This critique continually goes back to what is important--that Jesus died for us to save us from our own death in sin and coming judgement of our heavenly Father who is loving and just. Stewardship matters, but THIS--this gospel truth is WHY we come together--not to be financially free, but to be free from the weight of our sin. Make sure THIS IS what your church is teaching you. Don't get caught up in feeding the beast of the megachurch--you will regret it. I promise you.
The bad part is that real Christians know this is exactly what Christianity preaches against. These poor souls have no clue that are damning themselves by listening to these wolves in sheep's clothing..
Amy Burke + Come on Amy... you are only thinking that it is " Our " Churches that need a spiritual spanking!? Nothing could possibly be wrong in yours...only correct doctrine going on in there, Right? Gimme a brake.
Amy Burke Yes, they are the NWO, DEMONIC, MANIPULATING, SATANIST'S, 501c3 PROSPERITY PIMPING PREACHER'S WHORE'S AGENDA'S....
He also teaches the practice of tithing off one's gross income, a doctrine nowhere taught in the New Testament.
The bigger the "church" the larger the Narcissist behind the pulpit.
Pfsif Absolutely
I went to a church that was always having offerings for one thing or another, the the straw that broke the camels back will rather the railway sleeper 😬 was Creflo give me all your dollars turning up 😖 ps the church is in Edinburgh !
that guys pants are so tight he can't even walk normally
Jami B Lol..so is his ugly face..
these false prophets have learned how to pimp out the word of GOD , if they continue to use GOD's word for the evil deeds they are engaged I am sure the Hell holds a reservation in their name for instead of leading the flock they have fleeced it. p s GREAT VIDEO
You need to do a report on Gateway Church in Dallas.
He told on himself as he admonished his congregation for NOT knowing the word of God.....hmmm. I wonder who could be used to reach the word...a pastor perhaps...?
🙏💕“Dear Heavenly Father, I know that I have broken your laws and my sins have separated me from you. I am truly sorry, and now I want to turn away from my past sinful life toward you. Please forgive me, and help me avoid sinning again. I believe that your son, Jesus Christ died for my sins, was resurrected from the dead, is alive, and hears my prayer. I invite Jesus to become the Lord of my life, to rule and reign in my heart from this day forward. Please send your Holy Spirit to help me obey You, and to do Your will for the rest of my life. In Jesus' name I pray, Amen
My wife and I just found you this morning. Would love to connect on Facebook.
People need to learn about the Holy Spirit and how to follow Him...not a speaker or a teacher or preacher
The value of a life is absolutely not based on "how much you gave away". That is extremely twisted especially considering the context of money and finances he just said that in. Luke 21. Bill Gates is exceedingly generous yet if he dies without faith in Jesus he will absolutely not enter into eternity in heaven.
I couldn't sit through a whole service with this kind of teaching! The word of God is exciting, powerful, and filled with hope, that this man's babbling is absolutely boring!
Letty Guerra yes!!!!! It’s so boring
Make no mistake, this is a profit-sharing venture. The church will put it on all the home groups as a mandatory task, which will guarantee sales of X number of units. The church will buy the units in bulk at a discount and then sell to the people at sticker price. Church pockets the difference. That’s why they’re so motivated to sell this on Ramsey’s behalf. He’s financially rewarding them for the hard sales pitch. It’s MLM 101. If your church is big enough to buy XX units, you can spend enough to get a personal visit. Ramsey builds his empire, churches get a cut of the profit, and poor people must pay-to-play if they want to advance in ministry.
What a misuse of the information. First off if you can’t even get the guy name right it shows how much research and context you’ve actually studied (Dave Ramsey). I agree that church’s - mega churches in particular need to be run a certain way to receive cash. That’s all well and good, however to swing to the next side of the pendulum is really weak.
First off, the Bible speaks so much on the topic of money, it’s dangers and snares! The truth is the Church should be preaching more on money - the right way! How it becomes our focus of worship in our day to day lives etc.
Secondly, I’ve done the course offered by Dave Ramsey. Living in a 3rd world country listening to your opinions of the teaching - which you clearly haven’t done, is really poor when you are criticizing the way you are. The information, and principles in the course help move people away from this cultural approach to money and back to how God instructs us.
The only valid argument I do see as holding merit here is the use of this course to raise giving maybe? I don’t know the church, so I cannot comment. However, your opinion what and how a church should lead their services is really a matter of opinion. And since it’s your video and view you’re entitled to it. If that is the argument then by all means.
However don’t judge the work of Dave Ramsey based on the church’s use of it. Being a young pastor, I want the people I shepherd to live in financial freedom (and that’s not being rich) but being free from living after material wealth, and status.
The churches in the Western world is so bias both ways - money is spiritual and needs to be addressed! Of course not the way ‘sow a seed’ doctrine is thrown around, but true biblical means.
I like this channel, and definitely have benefited from the work you’ve done, so thank you. This one however needs a bit more research before you make such claims.
These false teachers keep their "flock" in bondage because if people would read their Bible's they would see that tithing is an O.T. law. Now the disciples asked for $ to take care of the widows, orphans and the church. The church being people not a $$$$ building. And this is to be our example. Jesus never said if you are greedy and want material stuff then give me your money. Widows, orphans n food n shelter for the preachers, missionaries n those who are in need, that's it.
Dave Ramsey is in the business of financial consulting with a Christian emphasis. That is what was shown here. I think it is a misstep, as a fellow Christian, that he tried to turn his normal financial methodologies into a sermon-which he is not a preacher nor claims to be one. While what Dave Ramsey teaches is nothing new it has helped many people get out of debt, become better givers and save for retirement. He teaches about building wealth not prosperity gospel which is a clear difference and in no way synonymous. He has a free national radio program and free podcasts where he gives free common sense financial advice. With all of that being said, Ramsey does take a bit to get used to in his personality style. I think BEZELT3 is right that the big misstep is the megachurch even taking Sunday worship away for what is otherwise freely available. Short sighted of Ramsey for taking the gig.
I agree David Ramsey should not be doing his presentation during a Sunday service. BEZELT3, I appreciate your passion and dedication to God and telling it like it is.
The prosperity gospel disgusts me even more than the fundamentalist (speaking in tongues, apocalyptic prophecies, everything's Satan/a demon . . . "I rebuke this, I rebuke that! In Jesus' name, of course." Conspiracies everywhere & hate government yet want to take it over) types I was raised by, and still have to deal with. That's bad, since I'm a devoted Wiccan and have been for years. I've come to see the fundamentalist and charismatic versions of Christianity as heresy, but the prosperity gospel is actually worse, and that's saying something. Following Jesus is supposed to be about sacrifice, not enrichment. As a Wiccan, both fundamentalist/charismatic (I know, they're not exact mirror twins, but the difference is relatively negligible) and prosperity gospel Christianity look to me just like forms of witchcraft - only they make it worse by trying to use Jesus' name to make it happen. Isn't this blasphemous to a certain degree to run around trying to exercise supernatural power in Jesus' name in order to get your will instead of Jesus' will?
Tarotlynx I'm a Christian and I think that analysis is pretty spot on. Sorry you still have to deal with people like that 😐 Not fun.
Tarotlynx
Yes it is indeed. 😔
Only for God’s love and mercy they haven’t been consumed with 🔥 fire for so much blasphemy!
Wow, invite others to hear Dave Ramsay not to hear the gospel next Sunday. Pathetic! I don’t want that kind of “spiritual” journey thanks 🙄
HURRY LORD JESUS!
To be fair to Dave most of us come to God for what he will give us. It is only later we learn to give ourselves to him.
Ramsey is one of the biggest blowhard egomaniacs around. He has all the answers. Humility is totally absent
My old church held FPU classes as well. My wife and I went through it and learned a lot about managing money. Within just a few years we're almost debt free, to include our home being paid off. Two college loans of ours, thousands of dollars racked up from poor choices, car loans, etc all paid off by using the technique he's teaching. Now we pay cash for everything, even for our two son's colleges. It truly was life changing once we knew how money actually worked.
With all of that said, it shouldn't have been a Sunday Worship service presentation. Not being a slave to the lender is a biblical principle. Overall when churches bring this program in it does seem that being able to give more to the church seems to be the underlying theme they want you to take away. What good does it do to teach someone how to live debt free if you don't teach them about Christ who made the ultimate debt payment?
One of the best video you have made.
Huh? David Ramsey lil creepy...and people pay for this? No better than the Benny Hinns of the world and bisexual Jim Bakker
They have mammon.... that's the only god they have
I find it interesting that none of these people can afford a decent suit of cloths.
If God doesn't care if you wear blue jeans and a golf shirt or casual shirt, why do you? This guy is an idiot!
Ron Budman why do you want these men to look good ? What benefit is there in clothing ? Do you not understand it's not how one looks on the outward appearance but what's in his heart that matters ?
Love and Peace. . . . . .
" Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." ~Jesus in John 7:24
Ron Budman I'm sure they didn't have suits in the 1st century. They were poor farmers. You sound like the Pharasees!!
Don't worry, they have plenty of money for clothing. These stage outfits have been carefully thought out by P.R. experts to present just the image they want. It is all for show.
The rain bow came after the flood.
Jesus antwortete: " Ich bin der Weg, und ich bin die Wahrheit und ich bin das Leben. Ohne mich kann niemand zum \Vater kommen. " ( Joh 14:6 )
No gospel?? no bible verses telling? and medidating?? ow comm"on .. dont me!!
Isn't that shameful when they preach prosperity gospel and use Jesus as the reference, while Jesus didn't have a place to put His head on? Didn't Jesus say to pray for Heavenly Kingdom and that everything else will be added? Or not to worry about tomorrow? Or to lay up treasures in heaven, not on earth... How do these teachers come from the verses of the Bible to the prosperity gospel, one wonders? They preach what their followers want to hear! "They shall gather to themselves teachers to suit their own desires..."
Benny Hinn said,on national tv, that he doesn't care about any treasures in heaven,he wants his gold NOW.And that, right there ,is the philosophyof these "prosperity" preachers.
An excellent presentation. Thank you.
I never trusted Dave Ramsey’
The bible said there will be many false prophets