Sci-fi books tier list for 2020 please! We, this community, are fantasy freaks, but we're so lost in the Sci-fi genre. Tell us what to read please 😭 I want to read Sci-fi but I literally don't know what to read. I will start with Red Rising (5-6 books) this month, but I'm totally lost. I've heard good things about Ender's Game, Hyperion, Expanse (from you and the tv show) and Dune, but other than that I'm lost. And I have no idea if most of the books I mentioned are worth reading.
Redemption arc for Karen. She ALREADY called the police and she comes out with a gun. Since she calls the police for no reason regularly, she's even faster and her acting is better when there's a real threat. Police response time is cut in half and they bring backup.
@@leonmayne797 plot twist, the karen is the monster and there is a karen cult out too kill everyone younger than 30! ... i wrote this as a joke but i would actually watch this
While watching this movie I kinda got the hankering for a reverse-horror story, where a bunch of horror-movie serial killers are all on the run and being hunted by one unstoppable pissed-off supercop. Can you imagine The Rock as a beat cop crashing through a wall and suplexing not-Scream off the top of a tenement house? Because I can, its awesome.
It’s October and I got a question. What is a good horror book (series) that matches these qualities?: -A mainly werewolf-themed series(no vampires) -Mostly horror, along with a little sense of humor, and some romance(none of that Twilight-related garbage) -a monster mythology that focuses generally on werewolves, and maybe some ghosts, witches, and warlocks -Keeping things with the traditional werewolf lore, such as death by silver, transformation reversed or blocked by wolfsbane, uncontrollable transformation from the full moon, and werewolves looking like actually werewolves(not regular wolves, Lon Chaney lookalikes, or a bunch of shirtless underwear model-wannabes like in Twilight or the Teen Wolf show)
British people definitely wouldn't help if someone was being chased and murdered outside 🤭 we'd watch and then criticism them for getting into such a situation AFTER they're dead.
Alexandra Bowden It’s because people can get into legal trouble if they try to help people, in the UK at least you could be sued by the victim and the attacker if I’m not mistaken. I think there have been a few fairly major stories like that in newspapers like Metro and the Daily Mail a few years ago, yeah they’re terrible papers but they still have influence. If the law punishes people for being heroes then no one will want to intervene.
@@joshuapowell6822 this is just straight up false. It's just made up. It has no basis in reality. I'm actually confused as to where this argument comes from, because usually when I hear people say things that are completely, objectively wrong on their face, I have some inkling of where they come from, but here, I can only think of a misleading news story from Germany a couple years ago that maybe would be tangentially connected to this, but still wouldn't actually support what you're saying, and completely wrong statement notwithstanding you've gotten several likes. Ugh.
@@DanielGreeneReviews I think Daniel Defines- a series were you show the major differences between two close genres would be fun... thriller/horror is a good example. I often struggle knowing and I read a ton of both.
Every time there’s a convoluted trap I think about Fred from Scooby Doo and his characterization in the crystal cove series. He had a FETISH for traps and kept trap magazines under his mattress 💀
@@plugshirt1684 oh the whole series was great. I havent watched it since it first released, but I was a big fan of where they took the characters and how they worked in the overarching plot.
On the subject of the lack of bystander help: it's a very real thing that unfortunately happens all the time. I'd highly recommend searching for the bystander effect and the murder of kitty genovese
metallsnubben Yeah but people did call the police. Also people having willful ignorance is an assumption not a fact. We can only make conclusions off the actual evidence. Some called the cops others assumed it was just random city shit. When you live in a place like that you hear random shit that sounds terrifying all the time, anyways RIP Kitty.
It’s October and I got a question. What is a good horror book (series) that matches these qualities?: -A mainly werewolf-themed series(no vampires) -Mostly horror, along with a little sense of humor, and some romance(none of that Twilight-related garbage) -a monster mythology that focuses generally on werewolves, and maybe some ghosts, witches, and warlocks -Keeping things with the traditional werewolf lore, such as death by silver, transformation reversed or blocked by wolfsbane, uncontrollable transformation from the full moon, and werewolves looking like actually werewolves(not regular wolves, Lon Chaney lookalikes, or a bunch of shirtless underwear model-wannabes like in Twilight or the Teen Wolf show)
It's funny because you don't even have to say which scene it was and anyone who has seen the show will know exactly what you're talking about. It was perfect. I jumped up off my couch and yelled, "Oh Sht!" lol
@@DavidDecero I've been looking forward to watching that show after I read the book in a few weeks. Now I'm scared. I hate jump scares. They make me feel like I'm going to have a stroke.
You definitely need to watch the haunting of hill House on Netflix. The showrunner, director, editor, and writer is the same guy who did Hush. Its one of the best TV shows I've seen in the last few years. And there's a second season with an entirely new cast/story coming out on Oct. 9
I don't even particularly like horror, but this is genuinely one of the best series I've ever seen. A 10/10 for me. A perfect series with an odd but ultimately satisfying ending.
So, acording to Daniel, his ideal horror film would be a low budget adaptation of a horror book where the whole gist of it is that an alien creature is trying to kill a family, which is fighting back for survival and where there's an amazing performance in there. Also there's a detective character.
For the "conviently empty street" trope... I was robbed a few years ago, and despite all of my screaming, not a single person came out to check out to see what was going on. And this was a time of day when people were getting up to go to work. It's more realistic than you think.
I don't know how I feel about the villain in Hush revealing his true identity. In horror, what you don't know often makes the movies scarier, and the more you reveal the less scary it becomes.
But in Hush it gives of a very nervous vibe imo because it's like "so I'm gonna make you suffer and kill you, and I'll show you my face because you'll never get away". For me, the second he took it off I was ten times more nervous
I like the Summer Camp/Woods location. One of the things that makes it scary is because they're isolated and far away from help. Summer camps are iconic in horror because of Friday the 13th.
I would be so excited for more horror content! I love the horror genre, especially if it is more disturbing and unnerving rather than loud and gross/graphic.
True.Unless they have a very good reason why they chose their bad decision,It's just off the list.dumb characters,however...I think it is possible to have a dumb character,as long as they're not TOO dumb and show at least some intelligence.
To be more specific, I think the issue is more “dumb decision for the sake of making a dumb decision”. If making a poor choice is in character or they unknowingly make a bad decision, then that’s one thing. Unfortunately many horror movies just have the characters being stupid for the sake of cheaply generating tension.
The stupid decision trope is very common, but also the most overcritizised. People tend to make stupid decisions under pressure (compare quiz shows... How easy it is from the couch) And we actually prove that stuff in our last dnd session. We basically did all the stuff. We left treasures in boxes and barrels (and forgot it for other adventurers to find it), left cursed items in treasure boxes and basically every time we went down a dungeon filled with dangerous monsters we made plans and reminded us to not split up... We did split up every time, no matter what.
I'm with you on the found footage trope, but I have a soft spot for As Above So Below! I was an archaeologist and am studying religion so the National Treasure + Dante's Inferno plot is so entertaining to me.
Cloverfield is an absolute gem of a found footage movie. Not only is the actual camerawork well-done, but it adds a nice conspiracy vibe to the story and even serves some practical purposes (no spoilers for those who haven’t seen it.)
You showing love for The Thing and Alien really made my soul smile lol Also James A Janisse would be happy about the business comment for low-budget horror
During my film MFA, we learned why Horror is a goto for so many filmmakers. It's easy to do cheap and ROI can be high when you get a good film. This is why Horror has so many sequels.
The reason people enjoy torture films are usually to look at the awesome gore/practical effects because they can be so cool. Savini will always be one of the greats
what are some good abandoned spaceship movies? (besides alien and event horizon, obvs) - though I might be overdue for an event horizon rewatch. I'd found it okay at the time, but besides the great art direction, the threat I found was too classic ghost story and not alien/eldritch enough for my taste.
There is an example of what I would call a master-stroke of horror. It's from a computer game. It's a level from Thief Deadly Shadows. The level is called robbing the cradle. Its the protagonist going into an abandoned orphanage and asylum. Yes it was both at the same time. It has just about everything going for it. You can easily find a playthrough on youtube so you won't have to complete most of the game to get to that one level.
I was casually watching him because I’m not as well versed in fantasy yet, until he called out that black/minority characters dying first is blatant racist. Now, I’m subscribed. So many people deny it’s a thing and I’m so glad he didn’t!
If you liked Robert Eggers’ “The VVitch”, you should definitely check out his next /most recent film “The Lighthouse” - it’s the most wildly amazing descent into madness you could ever imagine! Easily my favorite movie from last year.
Regarding the appeal of torture porn, Mark Steven's book Splatter Capital has a really great analysis of the social commentary in films like Hostel, Saw, and Human Centipede. I don't like many of these movies but the book really helped me understand what the genre can offer!
One good example of comedic relief done well is in The Lighthouse after Tom curses Winslow with his insane monologue about the ocean, and all Winslow has to say is, "...Have it your way then." in a quiet pouty voice
I love that you cite the Friday the 13th for bad acting and then specifically say 4, 5, 6 when those probably had the best acting in the Friday franchise. I am fascinated by the themes in some "torture porn." Early Saw movies ask us how far we are willing to go to survive or to help others (who don't always deserve help). The Hostel movies (1&2 at least) show us the huge divide between the onscenely rich and the poor, to the point where the rich treat the poor worse than livestock. Among Friends showed us how lies and betrayals can subtlely undermine a years-long friendship, to the point where some would call for the castration of one of their friends while everyone watches and waits.
3:43 I swear James covered most of the Leprechaun movies just so we wouldn’t have to. Respect to you, but I also just feel so bad you had to sit through a lot of that series
I just have to say daniel your dedication to pumping out lots of quality content in such a short amount of time is nothing short of amazing. You are one of my favorite youtube channels, straight up. As an aspiring writer, you expose me to new authors and keep the imagination that books entail in my mind every day. Please keep doing what you are doing, cause it is so important and brings a smile to mine and other people's faces.
a horror movie. Known as. The Coming Of T. The first half: pure terror, as a strange alien silhouette slaughters the characters they find some footage of the creature, and it just so happens to be... Mr T, in a Hawaiian shirt and heart boxers, who flies out of the footage through the computer to greet the person watching the footage, then kill them with an army of living water bottles. the second half of the movie takes an absurd turn, becoming a coming-of-age movie about a caterpillar who is also the chosen one and ends up wearing cyborg butterfly armor.
Rec single handedly carries found footage. Because it feels real, they balance the camera as a prop, tool, and at times a character. The cameraman exist outside of the camera as well.
One of the best horror movies I’ve ever seen that was filmed in the woods was The Ritual…. Usually the monster reveal in horror movies always make me less scared but once the creature was revealed in The Ritual, I still felt scared… if not more scared.
What's funny about torture porn it's the first Saw actually was a critique of the people enjoying violence way too much. But it was such a huge success that it became a franchise and the thing it was critiquing in the first place.
I think a good way to do horror and have it make sense is to be alone, is on a job that's naturally isolated. For example an oil engineer, or maybe a Trucker who gets stranded in Canada on his way to Alaska.
Another great example of a tremendous performance would be Toni Collette in Hereditary. Just truly a fantastic performance. And Ari Aster's follow-up, Midsommar, has a great Florence Pugh performance as well.
You weren't joking about preferring sci-fi/alien horror! Your almost total avoidance of supernatural/fantastical horror is surprising given your love of fantasy. These stories can be dense with meaning and visually stunning to boot. Just take ghost stories for a start: They can deal with fear of death, loss, grief, fear of the unknown, our relationships with places and events from the past, and more broadly how we process the passage of time and our own mortality. I hope you find some more stuff in this area that speaks to you, but if not, keep enjoying what you love! The video was a lot of fun, regardless. I came up with a few more horror tropes I'd love to see you rank or discuss at some point during this or some future October: Body Horror - The Fly, The Thing Cosmic Horror - The Endless, Lovecraft Cults - Wicker Man, Midsommar Curses/Transgressions - Candyman, Drag Me to Hell, The Mummy Cursed Objects - The Ring, Hellraiser Faustian Bargains - Hellraiser, Devil's Advocate Hauntings - Poltergeist, The Babadook Imposters - The Bodysnatchers, The Thing Living Toys - Child's Play, Annabelle Mindfuck Endings - May, Splice Nightmares - Nightmare on Elm Street, Dreamscape Playing God - Frankenstein, Splice Possessions - Exorcist, Child's Play Vengeance - Pumkpkinhead, Nightmare on Elm Street Villain Returning to Life after Defeat - SO MANY!!! Also, if you're ever interested in a different take on analyzing the horror genre, I'd really recommend checking out: Acolytes of Horror: th-cam.com/channels/gTX2M68DdRvR5Jd2YHEH7A.html Screened: th-cam.com/users/Screenedsearch?query=horror Nyx Fears: th-cam.com/users/BrutalMovieReview The Jimmy Cage: th-cam.com/users/TheJimmyCagesearch?query=horror P.S. I really hope you're confusing Pumpkinhead with something else. It's a great southern gothic movie about a man that sells his soul to summon a demon - not a human killer in a jack-o-lantern mask - to take vengeance on people that accidentally killed his son. Lance Henrickson turns in a truly great performance and the titular creature is hands down one of the best movie monsters of all time, brought to life by Stan Winston Studios (which also worked on Aliens, Predator 1 & 2, Terminator 1 & 2, Jurassic Park 1-3, and The Thing).
I remember when I watched "Hush" years ago,and It was great! I believe the protagonist was...deaf? I think so..the way she fought off her antagonist using other senses was somehow fascinating for me...(I think in the end,she was able to hear? I'm gonna have to watch that movie again to make sure).
I'm always stoked to see people put twists on old tropes, to the point where I will actually stop reading books or watching movies if they see some of these 'done to death' tropes being used in the EXACT SAME WAY But one way I could imagine would a 'realistic' reason to go into an obvious 'murder house' (spooky, run down house) are: urban explorers. The amount of videos I've watched of just people walking into really creepy places at night (or even in the daytime), it makes me realize a horror movie could be done so well using this take. It could even create a legendary 'daylight horror movie'. And you can even throw in found footage. IF it's done right and starts out slow--just normal people walking around and exploring different parts of an abandoned property in the daylight. Slow. No janky, sudden jerking of the camera. The urbexers have probably done this before--or maybe have a youtube channel and understand the need to keep the camera steady, etc) There's just so much potential for good movies or stories, and I always get my hopes up for new sh!t. And I'm usually ALWAYS disappointed XD
Fun fact - the 1999 "remake" of the house on haunted hill - has the black guy (Eddie) surviving to the end. In any case its rather a good haunted house film; especially if you forget about the original.- which is good in a totally different way.
Intelligent characters make a movie scarier, because it shows no matter how smart you are, no matter the choices you make, that creature can still get you
I'm in two minds about dumb decisions in horror films. When people are in panic, they can make really bad decisions. The running up the stairs, for example. Have you ever run through a dark wood? The tripping ain't so unrealistic. In some woods, you have to be careful during the day.
“I’m just gonna go in not even call for backup...” This reminds me of something I once heard a retired police officer say: he once showed up to a house where someone had been stabbed through the neck with a screwdriver. They were still alive, but he went and checked the house before helping them because “the person who did that could still be here, and I can’t help the victim if I’m dead.” Seems like sound logic to me. If only more movie cops thought that way , maybe we wouldn’t roll our eyes when they show up on screen.
Scream, Halloween, Psycho; are the only horror franchises I care about. I'm happy they're making more, but I would like to see other types of stories. With Halloween, it's in the contact that Myers can't die and the studio forces filmmakers to do the same stories. Even I can come with with 20 different premises to make these franchises different, but the studio answer will be always be "no."
2:02 Hey Daniel, Not unrealistic in every place. There are some really terrible places, that you can't afford to jump out, when someone screams for help at night. You might just be the one screaming for help if you do. And yes I am talking from experience. In those places, it's safer to wait out the night, hope that trouble doesn't come knocking, and come out the next morning. Cowardice, I know. But bravery doesn't grant you an extra life either... Lol.
I love found footage and was ready to protest so hard with Rec as an example of how well it can be done, but then you listed it as the reason that the trope was rescued from D, and I can respect that, even if you dislike the rest of them.
I hate when the protagonist knocks the killer out, then instead of making SURE the killer in incapacitated or dead, they throw the weapon away and run. Because no horror movie killer ever got up and kept coming after them...
Had to come share a story about tripping while being chased: Used to hate this one the way you did. In high school I had a girlfriend who was tough, intelligent, rational and athletic. We went as a group to a corn maze for Halloween and I discovered she was deathly afraid of masked men with chainsaws. As one of these came out of the corn field and stepped towards her, she screamed and started running through the maze away from and almost immediately.... tripped and fell flat on her face. Not only did we all die laughing, it reminded me that even the best and smartest fall flat on their face when running while afraid.
Yeah, actually, it’s incredibly common for people to trip when trying to run at full speed, especially when they aren’t used to sprinting and, yes, definitely when they’re specifically running *away* from something.
The really annoying thing about the conveniently broken cell phone is, 99% of the time it's not actually broken, it's no service. At least if it's immediately following some sort of physical altercation, just have the cell phone literally broken.
My man, you should definitely play some horror video games. There are tons of gems that I am sure you would love. I know you would love Resident evil 7.
No idea if anyone else will get this, but for me the best kind of torture is watching videos of people beating their pointe shoes half to death (mostly professionals when they are preparing them). It is so satisfying 🙂 Also, I completely agree that Hush is a masterpiece of a horror movie. Another really good one is the Autopsy of Jane Doe. I don't have much experience with the horror genre, but these two were probably the best of what I have watched
What tier list would you like to see next?
Favorite Spooktober Characters?
Annoying/Awesome Anime Tropes would be lovely (if you think you have watched enough Anime.)
Sci-fi books tier list for 2020 please! We, this community, are fantasy freaks, but we're so lost in the Sci-fi genre. Tell us what to read please 😭
I want to read Sci-fi but I literally don't know what to read. I will start with Red Rising (5-6 books) this month, but I'm totally lost. I've heard good things about Ender's Game, Hyperion, Expanse (from you and the tv show) and Dune, but other than that I'm lost. And I have no idea if most of the books I mentioned are worth reading.
Magical weapons tier list?
Fantasy movie soundtracks
How I failed to mention the masterpiece that is Killer Clowns From Outer Space I have no idea. I’m just disappointed in me.
SHAME!
That movie gave the creeps as a little kid . I love it now since I’m that an adult .
We're in the horror genre right now. Disappointment is a common theme here
Now you have to re-do the whole video smh
It’s one of my favorite cheesy B movies of all time
When you mentioned the neighborhood Karen- that would be a great scene for a Karen to show up to help - satire possibilities
Top 10 horror antiheroes
What if the Karen sides with the monster though.
She would ask to see the monsters manager
Redemption arc for Karen. She ALREADY called the police and she comes out with a gun. Since she calls the police for no reason regularly, she's even faster and her acting is better when there's a real threat. Police response time is cut in half and they bring backup.
@@leonmayne797 plot twist, the karen is the monster and there is a karen cult out too kill everyone younger than 30!
... i wrote this as a joke but i would actually watch this
In 2020, the masked killer trope is the most horrifying of them all.
At least he is masked, maskless killer is even worse!
@@konstantinriumin2657 true but... it can be anyone
What about the quarantined city trope?
Honestly, the black dude dying first in scream 2 is probably a joke considering that the franchise is pure horror satire.
Oh for sure. But it was the first image that popped up when I googled that trope and I’m lazy.
I appreciate the trope because it gave us some hilarious lines from Gus in Psych, but that's about it lol.
While watching this movie I kinda got the hankering for a reverse-horror story, where a bunch of horror-movie serial killers are all on the run and being hunted by one unstoppable pissed-off supercop. Can you imagine The Rock as a beat cop crashing through a wall and suplexing not-Scream off the top of a tenement house? Because I can, its awesome.
Basically Don't Breathe.
Well, there's a comic book series called Hack/Slash, where surviving final girl Cassie Hack hunts down slasher villains.
That be sick as fuck
It’s October and I got a question. What is a good horror book (series) that matches these qualities?:
-A mainly werewolf-themed series(no vampires)
-Mostly horror, along with a little sense of humor, and some romance(none of that Twilight-related garbage)
-a monster mythology that focuses generally on werewolves, and maybe some ghosts, witches, and warlocks
-Keeping things with the traditional werewolf lore, such as death by silver, transformation reversed or blocked by wolfsbane, uncontrollable transformation from the full moon, and werewolves looking like actually werewolves(not regular wolves, Lon Chaney lookalikes, or a bunch of shirtless underwear model-wannabes like in Twilight or the Teen Wolf show)
I have no stakes in this, I'm what is commonly known as a Whimp when it comes to horror
Used to be in the same boat till reality got more terrifying. Lol
@@DanielGreeneReviews That's disgustingly relatable and I don't quite like it. I'd go back to my fantasy I guess. How acutely said, good sir!
People who are easily scared by horror are the best people to watch horror movies with. Treat your friends once in a while and take one for the team 💀
British people definitely wouldn't help if someone was being chased and murdered outside 🤭 we'd watch and then criticism them for getting into such a situation AFTER they're dead.
Alexandra Bowden It’s because people can get into legal trouble if they try to help people, in the UK at least you could be sued by the victim and the attacker if I’m not mistaken. I think there have been a few fairly major stories like that in newspapers like Metro and the Daily Mail a few years ago, yeah they’re terrible papers but they still have influence. If the law punishes people for being heroes then no one will want to intervene.
Joshua Powell I’m not sure that’s the case particularly?
What I've learnt from horror movies is to never go running in the direction of the blood-curdling screams.
@@joshuapowell6822 this is just straight up false. It's just made up. It has no basis in reality. I'm actually confused as to where this argument comes from, because usually when I hear people say things that are completely, objectively wrong on their face, I have some inkling of where they come from, but here, I can only think of a misleading news story from Germany a couple years ago that maybe would be tangentially connected to this, but still wouldn't actually support what you're saying, and completely wrong statement notwithstanding you've gotten several likes. Ugh.
Untrue. Have been in such situations.
Daniel you have to see Ready or Not. It’s the perfect *chef’s kiss* combination of murder family, comedy horror and intelligent protagonist.
Seen it. Loved it. Would think of it as a thriller though.
@@DanielGreeneReviews I think Daniel Defines- a series were you show the major differences between two close genres would be fun... thriller/horror is a good example.
I often struggle knowing and I read a ton of both.
@@karlfakeplastictea3539 I second this, it would be fun to argue over too 😂
@@karlfakeplastictea3539 thats a great idea
@@DanielGreeneReviews please tell me you've also seen Tucker and Dale Vs Evil. If not please, please watch that.
13:55 If a masked murderer came after me in 2020, I'd legit say "Thank you for wearing a mask. That's socially responsible."
Every time there’s a convoluted trap I think about Fred from Scooby Doo and his characterization in the crystal cove series. He had a FETISH for traps and kept trap magazines under his mattress 💀
Scooby Doo is basically a slasher for kids.
You can’t lie though the episode with the trapped house is the best one and it’s also nice to see Fred have an actual personality in that series
@@plugshirt1684 oh the whole series was great. I havent watched it since it first released, but I was a big fan of where they took the characters and how they worked in the overarching plot.
On the subject of the lack of bystander help: it's a very real thing that unfortunately happens all the time.
I'd highly recommend searching for the bystander effect and the murder of kitty genovese
The murder of kitty genovese is greatly exaggerated.
@@thesun564 The degree to which people had wilful ignorance, yes. The murder itself? Exactly as gnarly as you hear :(
metallsnubben Yeah but people did call the police. Also people having willful ignorance is an assumption not a fact. We can only make conclusions off the actual evidence. Some called the cops others assumed it was just random city shit. When you live in a place like that you hear random shit that sounds terrifying all the time, anyways RIP Kitty.
There's a french movie based on a true story too, named 4o witnesses or something along those lines.
It’s October and I got a question. What is a good horror book (series) that matches these qualities?:
-A mainly werewolf-themed series(no vampires)
-Mostly horror, along with a little sense of humor, and some romance(none of that Twilight-related garbage)
-a monster mythology that focuses generally on werewolves, and maybe some ghosts, witches, and warlocks
-Keeping things with the traditional werewolf lore, such as death by silver, transformation reversed or blocked by wolfsbane, uncontrollable transformation from the full moon, and werewolves looking like actually werewolves(not regular wolves, Lon Chaney lookalikes, or a bunch of shirtless underwear model-wannabes like in Twilight or the Teen Wolf show)
The best jump scare I've seen was in The Haunting of Hill House. Damn near threw my laptop across the room.
It's funny because you don't even have to say which scene it was and anyone who has seen the show will know exactly what you're talking about. It was perfect. I jumped up off my couch and yelled, "Oh Sht!" lol
@@DavidDecero I've been looking forward to watching that show after I read the book in a few weeks. Now I'm scared. I hate jump scares. They make me feel like I'm going to have a stroke.
I love that everyone knows which one this is. Also, i think thats the best jump scare ive seen as well
Justin Sanders, you’re not helping my sense of apprehension.........
Actually I’ve seen the movie and have no idea which moment you mean.
The first Saw is actually a good movie and I'm not a big fan of torture films either, just saying
First one is genuinely really good. Agree. Went horribly wrong from there though
@@DanielGreeneReviews Agreed
@Daniel Greene I think the first 2 are really good 3rd is good 4th is ok and all of the rest are trash
You definitely need to watch the haunting of hill House on Netflix. The showrunner, director, editor, and writer is the same guy who did Hush. Its one of the best TV shows I've seen in the last few years. And there's a second season with an entirely new cast/story coming out on Oct. 9
Agreed. It's amazing
I don't even particularly like horror, but this is genuinely one of the best series I've ever seen. A 10/10 for me. A perfect series with an odd but ultimately satisfying ending.
Even though i hate horror since it spooks me i watched The haunting of hill house because the plot and characters were so interesting.
Yes best horror show I’ve seen by far
So, acording to Daniel, his ideal horror film would be a low budget adaptation of a horror book where the whole gist of it is that an alien creature is trying to kill a family, which is fighting back for survival and where there's an amazing performance in there. Also there's a detective character.
I'm just imagining Columbo in a horror movie
Korean horror films like "The wailing" or "Cinderella" are really refreshing
For the "conviently empty street" trope... I was robbed a few years ago, and despite all of my screaming, not a single person came out to check out to see what was going on. And this was a time of day when people were getting up to go to work. It's more realistic than you think.
I don't know how I feel about the villain in Hush revealing his true identity. In horror, what you don't know often makes the movies scarier, and the more you reveal the less scary it becomes.
But in Hush it gives of a very nervous vibe imo because it's like "so I'm gonna make you suffer and kill you, and I'll show you my face because you'll never get away".
For me, the second he took it off I was ten times more nervous
Who else was trying to guess which pictures symbolized which tropes, before Daniel made it that far?
U looked genuinely creepy in the intro. But thats one creep I'd have no problem living in my house
A goblin infestation is no joking matter! If you see goblins in your house (disheveled or not) always call for professional help!
@@Oneill665 ok, I am sorry, what number should I call
Watching this one year later where there’s a movie in which Michael Meyers is chasing someone, is then dog piled by 40 people, and still survives 😅
I like the Summer Camp/Woods location. One of the things that makes it scary is because they're isolated and far away from help. Summer camps are iconic in horror because of Friday the 13th.
I’m surprised not to see zombies/virus/contagion trope. There’s definitely major bleed over into horror.
Also surprised he missed the demon possession trope (think the Exorcist, Conjuring, etc)
I would be so excited for more horror content! I love the horror genre, especially if it is more disturbing and unnerving rather than loud and gross/graphic.
the performance of Toni Colette in hereditary is breathtakingly awesome
I think the worst trope is "stupid characters/stupid character decisions"
True.Unless they have a very good reason why they chose their bad decision,It's just off the list.dumb characters,however...I think it is possible to have a dumb character,as long as they're not TOO dumb and show at least some intelligence.
@@vloggerbonakid6178 yup.
To be more specific, I think the issue is more “dumb decision for the sake of making a dumb decision”. If making a poor choice is in character or they unknowingly make a bad decision, then that’s one thing. Unfortunately many horror movies just have the characters being stupid for the sake of cheaply generating tension.
Ohhh it's Spooktober!!☠️😨😈
I have to admit, was not expecting psycho Daniel at the beginning.
Aka when the disheveled goblin becomes an *actual* goblin!
The Greene Goblin..? %)
That intro was FIRE!!! Had to repeat it three times...
I dont know why, but I thought he said endless seaguls.
and now somebody is going to do a new The Birds movie with nothing but seagulls and it'll be the most terrifying thing ever
The stupid decision trope is very common, but also the most overcritizised.
People tend to make stupid decisions under pressure (compare quiz shows... How easy it is from the couch)
And we actually prove that stuff in our last dnd session. We basically did all the stuff. We left treasures in boxes and barrels (and forgot it for other adventurers to find it), left cursed items in treasure boxes and basically every time we went down a dungeon filled with dangerous monsters we made plans and reminded us to not split up... We did split up every time, no matter what.
I didnt think it possible for me to think even more highly of Daniel until he said he loved Rec! You REALLY know your stuff my friend!!!
Shoutouts to the Creepy Little Girl trope, which for me, belongs in the "Die in a Fire" tier, along with Cheap Jump Scares
4:49 As a fellow T-Mobile user, I want to see this as a joke in a comedic horror film
I'm with you on the found footage trope, but I have a soft spot for As Above So Below! I was an archaeologist and am studying religion so the National Treasure + Dante's Inferno plot is so entertaining to me.
Cloverfield is an absolute gem of a found footage movie. Not only is the actual camerawork well-done, but it adds a nice conspiracy vibe to the story and even serves some practical purposes (no spoilers for those who haven’t seen it.)
You showing love for The Thing and Alien really made my soul smile lol
Also James A Janisse would be happy about the business comment for low-budget horror
During my film MFA, we learned why Horror is a goto for so many filmmakers. It's easy to do cheap and ROI can be high when you get a good film. This is why Horror has so many sequels.
You should watch “The Lighthouse” if you haven’t already!
Yup! Loved it.
Your library/studio looks awesome!
The reason people enjoy torture films are usually to look at the awesome gore/practical effects because they can be so cool. Savini will always be one of the greats
I love the sci fi version of the spooky abandoned house- the spooky abandoned spaceship (with or without floating corpses).
what are some good abandoned spaceship movies? (besides alien and event horizon, obvs) - though I might be overdue for an event horizon rewatch. I'd found it okay at the time, but besides the great art direction, the threat I found was too classic ghost story and not alien/eldritch enough for my taste.
who knew staying up until 2am would mean I can actually catch videos as soon as they come out
There is an example of what I would call a master-stroke of horror. It's from a computer game. It's a level from Thief Deadly Shadows. The level is called robbing the cradle. Its the protagonist going into an abandoned orphanage and asylum. Yes it was both at the same time. It has just about everything going for it.
You can easily find a playthrough on youtube so you won't have to complete most of the game to get to that one level.
I was casually watching him because I’m not as well versed in fantasy yet, until he called out that black/minority characters dying first is blatant racist. Now, I’m subscribed.
So many people deny it’s a thing and I’m so glad he didn’t!
If you liked Robert Eggers’ “The VVitch”, you should definitely check out his next /most recent film “The Lighthouse” - it’s the most wildly amazing descent into madness you could ever imagine! Easily my favorite movie from last year.
I have an affinity for horror movies where evil wins in the end 👻
Fantasy sub-genre tier list next
Finding out Daniel is a RedLetterMedia fan warms my heart
Regarding the appeal of torture porn, Mark Steven's book Splatter Capital has a really great analysis of the social commentary in films like Hostel, Saw, and Human Centipede. I don't like many of these movies but the book really helped me understand what the genre can offer!
We have enough material for a tier list of Daniel's tier lists
One good example of comedic relief done well is in The Lighthouse after Tom curses Winslow with his insane monologue about the ocean, and all Winslow has to say is, "...Have it your way then." in a quiet pouty voice
sci-fi september being a reoccurring thing is something I’m down for 👀
I love that you cite the Friday the 13th for bad acting and then specifically say 4, 5, 6 when those probably had the best acting in the Friday franchise.
I am fascinated by the themes in some "torture porn." Early Saw movies ask us how far we are willing to go to survive or to help others (who don't always deserve help). The Hostel movies (1&2 at least) show us the huge divide between the onscenely rich and the poor, to the point where the rich treat the poor worse than livestock. Among Friends showed us how lies and betrayals can subtlely undermine a years-long friendship, to the point where some would call for the castration of one of their friends while everyone watches and waits.
3:43 I swear James covered most of the Leprechaun movies just so we wouldn’t have to. Respect to you, but I also just feel so bad you had to sit through a lot of that series
Unreasonably happy to know you watch dead meat :’) would love to see you and James do something together!
I just have to say daniel your dedication to pumping out lots of quality content in such a short amount of time is nothing short of amazing.
You are one of my favorite youtube channels, straight up. As an aspiring writer, you expose me to new authors and keep the imagination that books entail in my mind every day. Please keep doing what you are doing, cause it is so important and brings a smile to mine and other people's faces.
Hush is one of my favorite horror movies!
Me too!
For a good found footage film, I'd suggest the Japanese film Noroi. It's genuinely disturbing :)
Also "Rec"
I gotta recommend Color Out of Space for good cosmic horror!
Annihilation.
Not the Color out of space, which was terrible.
Lovecraft would never forgive Nicolas Cage and his alpagas.
@@ChristmasLore they are both good. His craziness is some of the fun
a horror movie. Known as. The Coming Of T.
The first half: pure terror, as a strange alien silhouette slaughters the characters
they find some footage of the creature, and it just so happens to be...
Mr T, in a Hawaiian shirt and heart boxers, who flies out of the footage through the computer to greet the person watching the footage, then kill them with an army of living water bottles. the second half of the movie takes an absurd turn, becoming a coming-of-age movie about a caterpillar who is also the chosen one and ends up wearing cyborg butterfly armor.
"A friend with weed is a friend indeed, but a friend with gold is better I'm told..." is hilarious Daniel. Don't you disparage Leprechaun!
Rec single handedly carries found footage. Because it feels real, they balance the camera as a prop, tool, and at times a character. The cameraman exist outside of the camera as well.
One of the best horror movies I’ve ever seen that was filmed in the woods was The Ritual…. Usually the monster reveal in horror movies always make me less scared but once the creature was revealed in The Ritual, I still felt scared… if not more scared.
Didn’t know Daniel was a horror movie watcher? The many layers of the Disheveled Goblin are being revealed.
Toni Collete should have won an Oscar for hereditary
Lol my first advertisement in this video was for a chainsaw.
What's funny about torture porn it's the first Saw actually was a critique of the people enjoying violence way too much. But it was such a huge success that it became a franchise and the thing it was critiquing in the first place.
"The idea of something puncturing my flesh terrifies me"
Your tattoos tell a different story, Daniel.
Oh, yeah. James A Janisse is guilty of making me watching garbage movies, too.
I think a good way to do horror and have it make sense is to be alone, is on a job that's naturally isolated. For example an oil engineer, or maybe a Trucker who gets stranded in Canada on his way to Alaska.
One of the best parody horror films I've ever seen is from Japan, called One Cut of the Dead
So good
Another great example of a tremendous performance would be Toni Collette in Hereditary. Just truly a fantastic performance. And Ari Aster's follow-up, Midsommar, has a great Florence Pugh performance as well.
Quote from a screenwriter I heard once. "Cellphones are the worst thing to happen to writers because they solve so many problems."
You weren't joking about preferring sci-fi/alien horror! Your almost total avoidance of supernatural/fantastical horror is surprising given your love of fantasy. These stories can be dense with meaning and visually stunning to boot. Just take ghost stories for a start: They can deal with fear of death, loss, grief, fear of the unknown, our relationships with places and events from the past, and more broadly how we process the passage of time and our own mortality. I hope you find some more stuff in this area that speaks to you, but if not, keep enjoying what you love!
The video was a lot of fun, regardless. I came up with a few more horror tropes I'd love to see you rank or discuss at some point during this or some future October:
Body Horror - The Fly, The Thing
Cosmic Horror - The Endless, Lovecraft
Cults - Wicker Man, Midsommar
Curses/Transgressions - Candyman, Drag Me to Hell, The Mummy
Cursed Objects - The Ring, Hellraiser
Faustian Bargains - Hellraiser, Devil's Advocate
Hauntings - Poltergeist, The Babadook
Imposters - The Bodysnatchers, The Thing
Living Toys - Child's Play, Annabelle
Mindfuck Endings - May, Splice
Nightmares - Nightmare on Elm Street, Dreamscape
Playing God - Frankenstein, Splice
Possessions - Exorcist, Child's Play
Vengeance - Pumkpkinhead, Nightmare on Elm Street
Villain Returning to Life after Defeat - SO MANY!!!
Also, if you're ever interested in a different take on analyzing the horror genre, I'd really recommend checking out:
Acolytes of Horror: th-cam.com/channels/gTX2M68DdRvR5Jd2YHEH7A.html
Screened: th-cam.com/users/Screenedsearch?query=horror
Nyx Fears: th-cam.com/users/BrutalMovieReview
The Jimmy Cage: th-cam.com/users/TheJimmyCagesearch?query=horror
P.S. I really hope you're confusing Pumpkinhead with something else. It's a great southern gothic movie about a man that sells his soul to summon a demon - not a human killer in a jack-o-lantern mask - to take vengeance on people that accidentally killed his son. Lance Henrickson turns in a truly great performance and the titular creature is hands down one of the best movie monsters of all time, brought to life by Stan Winston Studios (which also worked on Aliens, Predator 1 & 2, Terminator 1 & 2, Jurassic Park 1-3, and The Thing).
I remember when I watched "Hush" years ago,and It was great! I believe the protagonist was...deaf? I think so..the way she fought off her antagonist using other senses was somehow fascinating for me...(I think in the end,she was able to hear? I'm gonna have to watch that movie again to make sure).
I'm always stoked to see people put twists on old tropes, to the point where I will actually stop reading books or watching movies if they see some of these 'done to death' tropes being used in the EXACT SAME WAY
But one way I could imagine would a 'realistic' reason to go into an obvious 'murder house' (spooky, run down house) are: urban explorers. The amount of videos I've watched of just people walking into really creepy places at night (or even in the daytime), it makes me realize a horror movie could be done so well using this take. It could even create a legendary 'daylight horror movie'.
And you can even throw in found footage. IF it's done right and starts out slow--just normal people walking around and exploring different parts of an abandoned property in the daylight. Slow. No janky, sudden jerking of the camera. The urbexers have probably done this before--or maybe have a youtube channel and understand the need to keep the camera steady, etc)
There's just so much potential for good movies or stories, and I always get my hopes up for new sh!t.
And I'm usually ALWAYS disappointed XD
Fun fact - the 1999 "remake" of the house on haunted hill - has the black guy (Eddie) surviving to the end. In any case its rather a good haunted house film; especially if you forget about the original.- which is good in a totally different way.
I see why people would think found footage is a corny genre, however I think it can be really chilling because it allows for some 4th wall breaking
Intelligent characters make a movie scarier, because it shows no matter how smart you are, no matter the choices you make, that creature can still get you
I'm in two minds about dumb decisions in horror films. When people are in panic, they can make really bad decisions. The running up the stairs, for example.
Have you ever run through a dark wood? The tripping ain't so unrealistic. In some woods, you have to be careful during the day.
“I’m just gonna go in not even call for backup...” This reminds me of something I once heard a retired police officer say: he once showed up to a house where someone had been stabbed through the neck with a screwdriver. They were still alive, but he went and checked the house before helping them because “the person who did that could still be here, and I can’t help the victim if I’m dead.” Seems like sound logic to me. If only more movie cops thought that way , maybe we wouldn’t roll our eyes when they show up on screen.
"The idea of something puncturing my flesh terrifies me." - disheveled goblin who plays with swords and knives in literally every video.
Scream, Halloween, Psycho; are the only horror franchises I care about. I'm happy they're making more, but I would like to see other types of stories. With Halloween, it's in the contact that Myers can't die and the studio forces filmmakers to do the same stories. Even I can come with with 20 different premises to make these franchises different, but the studio answer will be always be "no."
2:02 Hey Daniel, Not unrealistic in every place. There are some really terrible places, that you can't afford to jump out, when someone screams for help at night. You might just be the one screaming for help if you do. And yes I am talking from experience. In those places, it's safer to wait out the night, hope that trouble doesn't come knocking, and come out the next morning.
Cowardice, I know. But bravery doesn't grant you an extra life either... Lol.
I feel "What We do in the Shadows" perfectly explains the Virgin Trope
I love found footage and was ready to protest so hard with Rec as an example of how well it can be done, but then you listed it as the reason that the trope was rescued from D, and I can respect that, even if you dislike the rest of them.
I hate when the protagonist knocks the killer out, then instead of making SURE the killer in incapacitated or dead, they throw the weapon away and run. Because no horror movie killer ever got up and kept coming after them...
Another good „found footage“ film is Sinister (though only the first one, of course). Btw really good tier list, my dude!
Imma watch hush now, thnx for the suggestion
Had to come share a story about tripping while being chased:
Used to hate this one the way you did. In high school I had a girlfriend who was tough, intelligent, rational and athletic. We went as a group to a corn maze for Halloween and I discovered she was deathly afraid of masked men with chainsaws. As one of these came out of the corn field and stepped towards her, she screamed and started running through the maze away from and almost immediately.... tripped and fell flat on her face. Not only did we all die laughing, it reminded me that even the best and smartest fall flat on their face when running while afraid.
Yeah, actually, it’s incredibly common for people to trip when trying to run at full speed, especially when they aren’t used to sprinting and, yes, definitely when they’re specifically running *away* from something.
The really annoying thing about the conveniently broken cell phone is, 99% of the time it's not actually broken, it's no service. At least if it's immediately following some sort of physical altercation, just have the cell phone literally broken.
My man, you should definitely play some horror video games. There are tons of gems that I am sure you would love. I know you would love Resident evil 7.
Horror games are usually scarier to me than horror movies but when a horror game fails it is such a drag to finish
I love BWP, it's literally the only horror/thriller after Coraline that kind of scared me
I love that Daniel loves horror movies
Speaking of sci-fi horror, “Event Horizon” is amazing!!!
Would love to hear what Daniel thinks about Event Horizon! I think its one of the scarier movies ever
slavadabadoo Id definitely want to hear Daniels opinion on it. I wouldn’t say it’s one of the scariest ever though. But it’s definitely really good.
A favourite of mine. The room with the machine hurts my brain. Plus I think Sam Neill is very creepy no matter what he is in.
No idea if anyone else will get this, but for me the best kind of torture is watching videos of people beating their pointe shoes half to death (mostly professionals when they are preparing them). It is so satisfying 🙂
Also, I completely agree that Hush is a masterpiece of a horror movie. Another really good one is the Autopsy of Jane Doe. I don't have much experience with the horror genre, but these two were probably the best of what I have watched
There's a reason Geico has a commercial where the people in a horror movie hide behind a bunch of chainsaws hanging from the ceiling 🤣
I think Jaws has the best random jump scare Its so organic
Affliction and Quarantine (Remake of Rec) are the two best found footage horror movies I’ve ever seen.