Powder Coating - Two Tone Wheels
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ม.ค. 2020
- Powder coating two tone wheels with chrome and Chevy Orange from Prismatic powders. These wheels will have four layers of powder, a primer, chrome, orange and a clear top coat. Watch along as we show how we do the two tone with vacuum and with finger swiping.
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I get asked a lot for the attachments, here is a link: amzn.to/3fdxQxz
I own a small powder coating shop, and your videos are very helpful
We are really small also. Working on that!
Well done, .. These look great ... I love powdercoating myself and I've done loads of two tone parts and everytime you do something unusual / unique you get a buzz from it ... Thanks for sharing, keep up the great work.
Just learning to powder coat, you video was a huge help! Thankx for sharing.
Turned out nice..! I like the color combo.
❤Well done you guys!
I like the finished color.
Loved the video!
Loved that look...
Freaking Beautiful!!! Great job!!!
Great job!
Nice job!!
Thanks for watching, make sure to subscribe, not kidding I smile every time it goes up 1!
I'm curious as to what the charge was for this wheel job sir?
@@ls4.8frank we charge 85 per hr for custom jobs like these, we dont give set price.
@@RightNowPowderCoating thanks for the info sir.
@@ls4.8frank you bet happy to share
Did you put the clear coat over the Orange before you cured the orange?
Last video you said you never wipe things down.... killer job though... y'all do amazing work!
Just getting my rims on my goldwing done
Subscribed, nice work.
Thanks for the sub!
Good job good music
man the music is SUPERB .... nice coating too
lol
Great & Amazing 👍
Very cool.
Awsome 👍👍
Impressive
im trying to get a job powder coating I was a painter for years this looks a lot healthier then spraying nasson urethanes and 2 part acrylics all day long
Awesome job man!!! Wish I could have sent you my Harley wheels to you, the local powder coat guy can’t or will not take the time to do two different colors...
Thanks! We love doing them but most people dont want to pay the labor it takes.
@@RightNowPowderCoating how much does it cost for that orange/chrome
The rims look awesome watch your videos and they’re very helpful. I’m just starting powder coating. How long does it take you to do all four wheels
awesome video, quick question if the rim I want to powder coat is extruded aluminum what kind of primer do i use? and where can i get it? link would be very helpful thank you .
Great video 👍
Than you!
If you dont mind, could you link your vacuum set-up? I have a little cheap one but it doesn't perform very well. Good vids though man.
I am about to start powder coating for the first time. I can't afford the prices others charge so I have to learn and do it myself. I built big 78" long ladder bars for me 57 Chevy and want them two tone, blue and yellow. I see in your video you do the orange over the chrome and it looks great. Can I put the blue over yellow and not worry about the yellow distorting the color of the blue?
How does power coating hold up to tire charges ie beadbreakers etc?
Any tips for wrinkling on the second coat?
Thanks for this video ! Do you make a full or partial cure on the Orange coat please ? Because due to clear vision the orange coat will have a longer bake time right ? Thanks
The goal of the partial cure is to allow the next coating to adhere. I think I did about a 50% cure on that orange cant remember for sure. Then we did the full cure schedule on the clear. Clear is tricky as too much and it browns, not enough it can crack.
I thought there would be a massive amount of masking involved, I didn't consider the vacuum cleaner.
Just a suggestion when you talk about the shop vac and vacuuming the rims it's hard to ear you with the compressor in the background but when you had the music I barely made out what you were saying. Maybe save the music only for time laps. Great job on the wheels keep it up
Appreciate the feedback will keep that in mind, thanks!
Hay Dan can you use heat resistant masking tape to two tone a large flat panel if so what is the process
Is the primer also a powder coating? I never knew you can powder coat on top a layer. Always assumed it would need to be bare metal due to the electrical charge
looks great!!!!! where do u get the shop vac attachment???
Lowes
As a few have said, sometimes hard to hear you over the music, but great videos, thanks!
Thanks for watching!
The chrome really shows the blemish
I have a 2001 Chevy S10 pick up ZR22 package and I would love to have the wheels done like thit's like this black where the Orange if Orange is and then the Chrome where the Chrome is where the Chrome is this looks gorgeous please comment back thank you very much where are you located
Fantastic work! Just a thought, wouldn’t it make clean up simpler to mask off the silver for the most part then peel off and neaten up the edges? Also it would be cool if there was a link to the Chevy build.
This was a customer, no Idea how the build turned out. I dont like to do the masking on these cause it causes more potential issues. I think this was my first ever 2 tone actually. Here is a link to my other channel where I will be doing a s10 build, lots of powder but more fun on the build part. th-cam.com/video/XXf-jFQPnAE/w-d-xo.html
Very new to this world. Everything needs to be clear coating? Also does everything need to he primered before or it just depends on the condition the item is?
How many times can you bake a color? if you're doing 2-3 colors on a piece, can you bake the piece several times?
Great video ill tell you hats off to you i have no patience for 2 tone. I charge allot for it. What temp and time do you bake the chrome at. I use Prismatic super chrome it comes out really very shinny but once you clear it forget it you lose that shine. I do let the chrome cool all the way down.
Your chrome looks pretty good.
I do exactly what u just said, main thing is to not overbake or under bake the clear
Sooooo... Why does the clear take away from the shine after it's cured over the chrome???? Is just applying clear to the color portion and then Ceramic Coating over the entire wheel an option to keep the shine of the Chrome?
When you applied the clear coat was the part room temp or hot?
Hey there! Great video, do you happen to have any link to the Shop vac nozzle you used to vacuum the powder for the 2 tone?
I dont, just bought it from Lowes in the Shop Vac aisle
That answers my question. Thanks
I thought sandblasted aluminum gave you a bigger window between coatings. Isn't it steel where you need to apply topcoat/primers fairly quickly?
can you put clear coat even if the orange coat is not yet done with the oven?
Enjoy your videos
I am a noob with powder coating and need your expertise.
I have a new, unused aluminum fuel tank, 10” dia x 14” long.
Do you recommend out gassing before coating?
The tank “ appears “ clean, but not 100% sure.
yes, out gas all alum.
Where can I get the clear coat that you use?
Great Job! Background music. What is it ?? thanks
Wouldn't taping this off be much faster than vacuuming the powder?
So you fully cure the chrome.. then cool off 100%.. then you spray orange and how long do you leave it in the oven??? Then do you cool 100% when do you spray clear on when it’s cool or hot???
What gun set up are you using
Where do you get your vac from
What primer do you use is it anti gassing?
when clear coating, do you let the wheel cool or put on hot? also do you let the orange fully cure before adding?
Always spray cold if you can. If you spray hot with out control you can put way too many mils on and even run the paint
Whats a good shop vac to buy
Great job on the wheels. I see you have a KCI and Gema, do you see much of a difference between the two? I have a KCI and struggle with multiple coats depending how complex the features of the part are. Always wonder if Gema would be a lot better.
Gema is way better, way more flexibility in coating. We only use the kci for our production work as its all in satin black, allows us to just leave it set up for that.
+1 for GEMA, we have two at our fab company for production work
got 4 Gema at my shop. Way better than the Nordson I had before.
Monte Carlo rims on a VW Rabbit. I need to see a picture.
Curiosity question.....instead of wiping with your hand....wouldn't it be better to use a tack cloth?.....no oils from your skin or jacket?
i would love to see the wheels on the car
Nice! Do you use zinc or epoxy primer? And what jobs do u determine u should prime first? Also, what brand powder did u use for chrome? Ever have issues with chrome powder being more silver?
zinc for steel, epoxy for aluminum, not sure what you mean about prime first. We hate chrome powder, so I would not be able to help there. Chrome will never be chrome, once cleared it will dull it.
Do you prime every piece that comes in there?
the kit you used to put on your vacuum would you have a link? i have bought a few different kits and they were crap so interested it trying the one you have it seams to work good.
The link is in my amazon links, but really you can customize it any way you want. We used the end of a pin for the tight areas then a larger black part for the wide areas.
Where did you find that vac wand attachment?
amzn.to/3fdxQxz
Is the oven in the link the actual oven you used?
No, it's a small entry level, this is a kool koats oven
How long was it in the oven for each coat and did you let them completely cool before applying the next?
Dont remember, got to keep checking the temp
How long and how hot did you bake the chrome stage for?
You always bake per the manufactures specs. Once the part got to 400 the wheel was baked at 10mins- per the instructions.
HI WHAT KIND OF CLEAR POWDER DO YOU USE GREETINGS FROM MEXICO THANKS
Apc
Skilful bit of work full marks from me
Do you ever use high temp tape, or is vacuuming the standard method?
Vacuum and finger wiping.
What's the price on that or something similar
Awesome! Did you apply the clearcoat after you baked both colours, or did you apply it directly after the orange coat and baked it together? Best greetings from sweden
Partial cure all colors then clear, then full cure.
@@RightNowPowderCoating okey so u don't fully "bake" the rims until the last coat? What settings do you use on the rims, i also have the Gema setup, two of them but they are kind of diffrent in the airflow and stuff.
Hello from Chicago question the sink powder primer how long did you baked it for ??? And if you did you have to let it sit until room temperature before adding another color ???
we just do a partial clear on the primer, prob less than 50% cure, then we cool to under 100 degrees Fahrenheit before coatings again.
@@RightNowPowderCoating Thanks also is it necessary to use primer first ??? also can I apply it on aluminum if the valve cover don't come out right after sandblasted let me know please I got this project this weekend thanks again
What did you use to remove the orange powdercoat for the wheel...i didn't hear that part?
Vacuum and finger wipping
I tried to powder coating myself the results were pretty good, but somehow I got the pertalite the color of the powder coating became dull and soft. what was the error in my work
Not sure I follow, you had a light area that was dull?
Where are you located I live in Connecticut in New Haven where are you located it is please comment back thank you
I’m doing 20 inch chrome rims that are bubbling and a few places. What is the best way to get the chrome off. I’m a small shop and only have a harbor freight 40lbs pressure pot and 40gallons of rim (chem) strip. I’m never had to take chrome off so not sure how hard or easy to be able to give an estimate on price. How do you deal with chrome rims that have bad chrome?
Gotta sandblast. Usually on chrome you would just want a surface blast so powder can bite on to n not go past nickle plating which is under the chrome plating. Sandblast all the way down can take some time, but if u wana save those rims its worth it. I had a set once that I hot flocked a ton of primer on the problem areas n sanded, feathered until high edges were flush applied an extra pass or two n rims came out sweet. Powder coating is all trial and error. At the end science will always win in powder coating. The orange peel u see in this chrome is all just the science part if coating. Sometimes no matter how good you are situations will rise thst we coaters have no control over.
What is your settings on your gun when your doing 2 tone on parts?
Recoat mode
How does the powder bond in between coats? Every time I have tried to coat over a fully cured base I have no inner coat adhesion. The clear does not bond.
This is a fine line in my opinion. I like to coat to about 80 to 90 percent on chrome and polished alum. Leaving that last 20 ish percent allows the clear to still bond to the under coat.
Hi where did you get that vacuum piece from
Lowes
Please
The orange powder removed from the required parts using a suction compressor or what .... If yes by vacuum what is psi ?
No clue on psi, just a normal shop vac
Where do you get one of those little shop vacs if you don't mind me asking
I bought the extensions from lowes. Try amazon though
@@RightNowPowderCoating thanks man
I've got a project coming up very soon that I'll be utilizing some of this info for. A 55 gal drum with 5 different color stripes going completely around it. Any addition advice would be greatly appreciated.
When you say the wheels were in primer, was that just an automotive urethane primer? or was it a special powder coat primer? Is that always necessary?
They were in a zinc powder primer, the casting was rough and we wanted to level it off a bit for a smoother finish.
did you use an aluminum primer or just zinc primer?
what do you mean aluminum primer? We use zinc or epoxy typically.
what primer do you use is it a spray?
No, epoxy mostly, its powder
Hello
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What kind of dust mask do you use?
3m respirator with replaceable filters
I would recommend the 3M 3600 series or the ff402 *full* mask. Powder in your eyes sucks.
how much usually is the price on a special job like that?
We charge hourly rate for those jobs.
Could you just tape off the areas you don't want a separate color?
What powder coating gun have you moved onto now?
Gema Opti Pro
What stripper do you use on powder coated rims?
We did use B17 but are now switching to Rim Strip from Express Chem.
@@RightNowPowderCoating b17 is awesome, I’ll have to look into the new stuff you mentioned. What’s the pros to it that you are switching?
I have a very important question that needs to be answered. @9:34 when you say you'll do a partial bake on the orange, which is part of the 2 tone, why do you jot fully cure it and do so for every tone you apply? What is the purpose of "partial cure" do you mean you only cure the part for 25-50% of the cure duration after flow out? I need to understand this, no powder coater will explain this when they say to do it, including you, Dan! Thanks you for all you do, Dan. I would really appreciate an answer, this information has been missing. If i do a 3 tone rim in the future, I need to know if you should full cure or "partial cure" (plus how partial, 25, 50, or 75% of full cure) for every stage: the primer, 1st tone, 2nd tone, 3rd tone and the clear coat. (Well, i know you fully cure the clear coat but the problem is i don't know the answer to that concern for all the rest of the layers + the primer too.
Thank you!!
You need to read the data sheet on the powder.....like chrome has to be a full cure before clear. The reason you do partial cure is to make sure the layers on top of it bond to it. If you do full cure then the next layer will not fully bond and could delaminate. But as said chrome has to be fully cured or it will react and get wavy and pull apart....yes it could delaminate also down the road....but its the fun game we play as powder coaters.
@@RightNowPowderCoating Hey Dan, thank you and that makes sense. I also apologize, i read my question and it was very confusingly worded🙄 so my bad on that. But otherwise, i also found an article or two that explained precisely what you just said, how the powder needs to partially cure before its topcoat. And infact, you need to partially cure each layer prior to the fully cured final topcoat (with the exception of chrome which always needs a full cure).
If the roughness of the wheels were an issue for the owner - how would you deal with it?
its more about setting up the expectation before coating it. Usually if you say hey this is rough, its going to translate in a orange peel look they will either say thats fine or not do it...then its not on you.
What kind of shop vac is that?
um....normal shop vac? not sure what you mean
Why did these wheels have texture? I'm having a texture issue on some aluminum wheels and I can't figure out why.
Casting in the wheel, only way to get rid ofnit would be to sand them down
Are you able to avoid small speck of color cross contamination? It is really hard to avoid it. Just a little bump going into the oven and forget it
This one did have some of that, but nothing noticeable, you had to really look
@@RightNowPowderCoating thanks for the honesty man. That's the sign of a real man
I'd like to see the car he put these on.
Do you ever run into the chrome looking more like polished aluminum after clear coat applied and baked ? I'm currently experiencing that with using Chroma Chrome . Or should I try a different manufacturer ?
Nope, no need to try others, it's always going to ruin the look. Powder technology is just not there yet.
@@RightNowPowderCoating Thanks good to know. So far I've only used powder from Columbia coatings and was wondering if it was just theirs or not. Reason for using their powder is because they have free shipping for over $50 which as you know is very easy to do. I'm not quite there yet to need 55 pound bulk lol
@@gears101 it dont take long to get to those 55lb boxs. Lol
@@RightNowPowderCoating I hear ya , there's a local Harley dealer that said they'll do business with me when I do my oven upgrade ( hopefully next month )
@@gears101 thats awesome, we have talked to a few motorcycle places but no real good luck getting constant work from them, I actually just sprayed some Harley Parts for a customer though, video coming soon.
Looks amazing, the vaccum thing was really smart instead of using this god damn tape that can withstand the heat but wont stick at all.
How much did you charge for these? Im a powder coater myself and I dont see any kind of profit in this. judging by time. I just did 3 pairs of wheels today and alot of other industrial stuff. (Flex)
Where I work we have these rails in the roof with metal bars (which we call carts) with wheels on them, hanging in these rails. So I hang 4 wheels in a row, kind of a squeeze with 20 inch wheels but whatever. so once I'm done painting I just use a bent rebar to push the the cart inside the oven. and start putting up more stuff that needs some powder. we have 3 rails next to eachother so I cant fit 12 wheels at the same time in the oven if I wanted. And the rails goes all the way through the oven aswell. so they come out the other side once their done. so once the oven is full of stuff you just go around and start packaging the stuff that now has cooled down.
Godd work again!
Sounds like you got a really nice set up, For those wheels I think we were around like 250 each. Its nuts what people want, its one of my best performing videos and I have the look of them haha.
@@RightNowPowderCoating Then I guess you made a few bucks :D Im from sweden and Im 20 years of age. I've worked with powder 1,5 years ish now. We usually do 300 for 4 wheels. but then again, we do so much more than just wheels which is why I love what I do.
last week for example, I painted the basked from a skylift, It was a bit tricky I might say.
We paint trucks, cars and any kind of industrial work you could imagine. so space is limited. Then they throw shit at me and say "coat this" xD
sometimes I get to powder coat 1 thing for the day, some kind of super thick metal shit that we just put in the oven for the day to make sure it gets hot all the way through the material.
Found you youtube when searching for like different techniques for coating, really loving the content
Thanks! Your really young, and sounds like you got most of this fig out so your a good 10 to 15 years ahead of me! Keep grinding.