That scene at the end of dear hunter with Nikki and Mike is gut wrenching, my father was a Vietnam vet who served during the Tet Offensive. It was under siege for 2 months and he could get over his demons
I thought the whole time that he must pick “Deer Hunter” as the winner, because the video concept is called “unpopular opinion” and I’m new to the channel haha lol But very good comparison!
Well the UnPopular Opinion Videos are normally reviews, But since It's a movie vs movie its not so much an UnPopular Opinion. Thats Why I move it to the back of the title
First of all, let me commend you for this fantastic analysis! The best scene in The Deer Hunter: Nick is in the hospital and is questioned by the medical officer. He cops an attitude at first, but when the doctor asks about his parents, Nicky completely breaks down. It's where the disconnect between his home life and the trauma of the war suddenly becomes rude reality. That's the most powerful depiction of PTSD I have ever seen -- and possibly, the moment of spontaneous method acting that earned Walken his Oscar. I'd also commend the scene where Mike is alone in the hotel room and has his own moment of deep, brooding reflection...much more subdued, but a fitting companion piece to his buddy he left in country. Say what you will about The Deer Hunter being inferior to Apocalypse Now, but the former film left a much more important legacy in real life than Coppola's masterpiece. From the official NPS website for the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington, D.C.: "After watching the film The Deer Hunter, Vietnam veteran Jan Scruggs decided that his fellow soldiers needed a tangible symbol of recognition from America of their service and sacrifice. By 1979 a memorial fund was formed, and in 1980 land in Constitution Gardens was authorized for the memorial placement. A design competition was announced, and 21-year-old Yale architecture student Maya Lin earned the unanimous selection."
Nice comment and I totally agree with you.. Walken literally gets questioned because his name is Russian until he breaks down crying. I like de Niro's scene in the hotel room more. It seems he's used to sit on the floor in the position he sits in and has that wound on his head from being hit all the time.. That hotel scene everytime I watch it it gets to me.. I like deer hunter also more than apocalypse now it's way more realistic especially what war does with people
my favorite scene is when Robert DiNero puts that extra bullet into the revolver and spins the revolver and it is his turn, and then he uses it to shoot that Mow guy in the forehead...yes ! and when Christopher Walken uses the butt of the rifle to smash the Mow guys head....
At first I thought the favourite scene might be John the bartender playing chopin in the bar, but I changed my mind. About the bar scene though, apart from the poignancy, it's the last time they were ever truly content before everything got messed up for literally everybody. Dzundza's character is always overlooked in its importance but he was like the glue between them all, keeping them all entertained and keeping the spirits up. That's why it was so upsetting to see him crying at the end as before then, he'd always just been the life and soul of the group. All in all I still think the deer hunter will have a much longer lasting legacy than apocalypse now as people are more drawn to a human character story than anything else you can put on film. Oh and my guess for the favourite scene must be Nick breaking down in the hospital before he goes AWOL. It's the most intense scene for me and portrays the anti war message in the most hard hitting way. I can't think of anything else more poignant. Some of the subtle interactions between Michael and Linda are also amazing, especially during his homecoming, but i'm only allowed one guess.
@@realbobphilips unique in the way that i managed to cheat and have 3 guesses! This is getting ridiculous though now, don't tell me i'll have to spend another 3 hours watching it all again just with this competition in mind
The "deer hunter" is my favorite movie of all time. What about mike back from vietnam, hunting, facing the deer and shot in the air, for your favorite scene ?
Having lived in Pittsburgh (Clairton, the steel mill town where the Deer Hunter takes place, is part of the Pittsburgh metropolitan area) for 12 years, my main quibble with the Deer Hunter is that they filmed the hunting scenes in the Pacific Northwest, as opposed to the Appalachian Mountains of Pennsylvania. I get that the Cascade Mountains of the PNW are more naturally dramatic than the mountains in Pennsylvania; but, it takes away from the realism of the story.
Doesn't take away from what Cimino intended to achieve. And he himself said what that was. So you gonna tell the author of the film he flunked on his goal which he considers accomplished just because the ignorant public doesn't have a clue? Nah, no you ain't.
Personally the best 4 movies about the Vietnam war are Apocalypse Now, Full Metal Jacket, Platoon and Deer Hunter and honestly out of all of them, I prefer Deer Hunter a little more. The Russian Roulette scene had some of the greatest acting I've ever seen in a film. De Niro and Walken both gave groundbreaking performances. I've heard the conversations that these films don't give an accurate depiction of the Vietnam war but I believe they try to at the very least. Both Platoon and Deer Hunter won Academy Awards including Best Picture. Deer Hunter in 1979 and Platoon in 1987
Agreed: Apocalypse Now is the better movie. Seen both in 1979. Apocalypse as a 70mm print with fantastic multi channel sound, The Deer Hunter as a 35mm anamorphic print and so-so optical sound. I love The Deer Hunter and it would be absolute perfection if it wasn't for the uneven pacing, to the point hat it seems there is a lot of footage missing. Village massacre - CUT - a hut at the river where our friends are held captive and forced to play russian roulette. Mike chasing Nick, but it vain - CUT - back in Pennsylvania, etc. Hmmm.... The dramatic music score (not counting with the fantastic guitar theme Cavatina) also sounds very old fashioned, with short cues only and bad sound - almost exactly like the first Mad Max a year later.
Despite the main country both movies are set in (Vietnam, probably filmed in Thailand) storylines are completely different : one's assigned by his superiors to terminate a renegade Colonel with a questionable history and he's in command of troops, the other movie focuses on a small community where three servicemen live and their traumatic experiences after being captured and the aftermath. The content of each - quite understandably - has violence and scenes that are disturbing, however those are fictional stories that reflect what others have done for real - no need to draw comparisons.
Well done, Anthony! You hit the nail on the head: both movies are outstanding achievements in film but they have far more differences than comparable similarities. It's not quite apples vs oranges but more like having a video titles "Tennis Racket vs. Hockey Stick". As you said, no need to draw comparisons.
I think the favorite scene is where only nicky manage to get away with the chopper at the bridge and mike and stevie fall of the chopper into the water
Watch Christopher Walken's face in the scene with the Vietnam vet. He is indicating. It says, I have read the script and as an actor I know more than the character. Very sloppy directing and acting.
You're comparing one of the classic war films of all time ("Apocalypse now") to a pretentious, overlong, muddled, meandering, often deadly dull drama that happens to have the Vietnam war as part of a set-piece.
The Deer Hunter is a truly awful film. There have been wildly overrated films before and since, but at least most of those have not possessed such a capacity for saying so little, over such an inordinate running time.
@@robertmaybeth3434 Boring and pretentious just because it doesn’t throw spectacle at your face every scene. People like you deserved the garbage mainstream American cinema has become.
Who cares about the audio comparison? I can appreciate both movies, but The Deer Hunter is more about the development of the characters, where as Apocalypse Now, is more popcorn and box office ..
@@maciejatkowski5524 Because Deer Hunter is a deep, deep, psychological drama, NOT a war movie (the war is just a background prop there, and Cimino himself said so dozens of times). While apocalypse now (yeah, I'm not even gonna dignify it with capital letters in the name) is a poor shock-and-awe take on american shock-and-awe tactics in Vietnam and just about any other place they ever touched. Apocalypse now is a piece of visionary propaganda aiming to scandalize and baffle the audience, while Deer Hunter is a masterpiece on human psychology. Incomparable.
@@chickenlover657 It's funny, because I would say the exact same thing, just with films being exchanged. I don't think it's accurate at all that Apocalypse Now is propagandist. Where? Do you really think that Francis Ford Coppola would make a black and white propagandist film, based on The Heart of Darkness? This doesn't hold up.
@@maciejatkowski5524 You think spinning narratives and agendas is beyond artists? Think again. The general direction of the propaganda is plain. But then maybe you're unfamiliar with the term "visionary propaganda". Anyway, here's what Coppola said himself: "My film is not a movie. My film is not about Vietnam. It is Vietnam. It’s what it was really like. It was crazy. And the way we made it was very much like the way the Americans were in Vietnam. We were in the jungle. There were too many of us. We had access to too much money, too much equipment, and little by little, we went insane.” Basically, all he has is a strong opinion. He wasn't there, he knows squat, but makes it out to be on level of a documentary. Well nah. But yeah, if you don't understand the push behind the movie, you might be fooled by the Monty Python elements and argue it's a satirical piece.
@@chickenlover657 So you’re condescending towards me. That explains the whole argument. You’re angry at Coppola for no reason and read too much into his words. Actually, here he just expressed what his intentions were - to create compete chaos on the screen. It is the psychological explanation you wanted.
Those fireworks are fireworks they’re not supposed to be bullets lmao it even mentions that they are fireworks in the movie dialogue. If they intended those to be bullets it would be the most amateurish move in a high budget movie you can’t actually believe that that’s true come on man really. 🤦♂️
You’re actually a moron if you think that. First of all I’ve seen this movie more than forty times. And no such dialogue exists where the characters talk about fire works. The closest thing I can think of that’s remotely similar to that is at the Bridge when they keep shooting up flares but that’s not what I was talking about. Secondly do you actually think that those projectiles the NVA or any other communist force were firing at the boat were bottle rockets. Like of all the weapons they could have used do attack the enemy do you really think they would settle for that and have thousands of them to rapidly shoot all at once. I don’t think so. And lastly if those were indeed fireworks then how could they have made bullet holes in the boats hull or have been strong enough to penetrate Cleans body and kill him. You are gravely mistaken.
@@realbobphilips If these were tracers, then we should hear the sound of machine gun fire in the trees, but we don't. Just the sound of rockets whistling by. If Coppola wanted this to be gun fire, he could have easily had a couple of guys shooting off blanks in the trees, but he didn't. Could a rocket that small really kill somebody? Yes! The Gyrojet en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyrojet shot rockets at least as small, and they could hit with greater energy than a .45 ACP. Did anybody use little rockets like this in Vietnam? Probably not. But it sort of fits in with the movie. It's weird, just like everything in this movie is weird.
I think the director made the decision to leave out the machine gun fire audio from the ambush scene to make the confusion on the boat more real and relatable to the audience. In combat most of the time you usually see the bullets hit something or kill someone before you hear the shot or even hear it. And there’s been movies in the past where the filmmakers don’t broadcast the gunfire sound effect for artistic and creative purposes to make it more cinematic for the audience. Prime example of that would be the shoot out in Buffalo Bill’s basement in Silence Of The Lambs.
I would do a FMJ vs Apocalypse Now video, but my consistent fans already know that FMJ is my all time favorite movie. And Apocalypse Now wouldn’t win that. So that may not be a good video. But if you truly want to see it than. I’ll consider it.
IMO, there's no competition. Apocalypse now, at least in its tighter theatrical cut, is a masterpiece. The Deer Hunter isn't even a good film. It's wildly overlong, has zero charactersation, no pace, no interesting dialogue, and several uninteresting scenes that drag themselves out to Doomsday for no reason whatsoever. The most egregious examples of the latter are the half hour long wedding scene and the dinner round the table before the credits, but overall it's an unnecessarily tedious effort with only a handful of memorable scenes. The deer hunting scenes are nicely photographed and have a Malickian quality to them. The score is good. The Russian roulette scene is good, but it isn't as affecting as it could be because you know nothing about the characters. Why has Christopher Walken's character snapped but no one else has? Why is De Niro's character risking his own life to try and bring him back? You learn nothing about either of these characters or their past relation to one another. Why is it a three hour long film when the plot is slim enough to fit within 90 minutes? Why could nobody be bothered to write one single piece of memorable dialogue? Why do so many folk pretend this sleeping pill is some kind of masterpiece?
You are the most tasteless person in the world if you think The Deer Hunter is not "even good". You may not like it, but you should respect it if you want to be taken seriously. I really didn't like the Godfather, but I can't say "it's not even good" without feeling like a dumbass.
I disagree. I've only seen The Deer Hunter once and was able to quote a few memorable lines. I think it is a beautiful movie that is dragged out so you can really feel like you're with the characters. Not everyone completely goes crazy, which is why only Nick does. I find it strange since you like Godfather and Once Upon a Time in America, both very drawn out movies. (I love them both as well).
@@DarkPablo Both of those films have a lot more pace and plot, and more clearly delineated characters. Once Upon a Time in America is probably my favourite film of all time.
I love both films. I was a child in the sixties in the UK and Britain at that that time was still scarred by the WW2 and the blitz. The word Vietnam was always in the news but nobody here really talked about it and I didn’t know what it was. I asked my father once and didn’t get a satisfactory answer and I just couldn’t work out who ‘the baddies’ were or why. My point being, when these two films came out I was genuinely shocked at how awful the whole thing had been and that the word Vietnam had, unknown to my child mind, been so much death and horror. It had a profound impact on me. Thanks for the great analysis!
Thats why we make these videos, For people to enjoy them. Even if the video is a total flop, If one person truly and genuinely likes it. Than its a success
My guess for your favorite scene is when Cazale's character points a gun at the other guy in the room, and then De Niro is so angered by it he leaves one bullet in the chamber, puts the gun to Cazale's head and pulls the trigger, all while shouting "You think you're a tough guy?" For my money the tensest scene in the movie, seeing a true clash between the veteran and the man who stayed home.
I love both movies but somehow the deer hunter does have a more special place in my heart.. I actually never heard somebody mention this but it seems that Michael played by de Niro became a green beret apart from Steve and Nick which is very realistic because he's the one who is by far the strongest guy out of the 3. And I mean mentally. It's something small but I always like that detail in the deer hunter.
Two of the greatest war/anti-war films ever made, along with Cross of Iron and Come & See. Both are brilliant and have many memorable lines and scenes. Although I love both, I slightly prefer Apocalypse Now for its deeper sense of war as hell, torment and madness.
My unpopular opinion: Apocalypse Now is better than Deer Hunter and Full Metal Jacket is better than Platoon. In fact I even consider Hamburger Hill as third best.
@@realbobphilips I can't help but think about great times I had with my buds every time I see those guys hamming it up with karaoke 'Merican coal-country style! Chicks love it too, by the way: many women have told me they love that scene as well. Oh, well, since I have only one guess I can't suggest my other favorite scene: Willard emerging at the top of the temple, having just killed Kurtz, and he has the opportunity to become a god as the people kneel before him. That moment of temptation is unique in film, to my knowledge (excluding silly super hero movies). I don't think I've ever seen any other film deal with that. Unique.
Your Fav deer hunter scene : 1.Nick spits in Mikes face Or 2.Mike does roulette with Stan when hes screwing with the gun in the cabin Or 3."This is this" Or 4. The guy playing piano and the men silently watch him
jarhead is another meandering movie with nothing to say and nothing interesting for the characters to do that happens to be set in wartime. Casualties" is about war crimes and what war does to men and is hard to watch -
No, no, no! First of all these movies are incomparable on any level. Second, and more importantly - which by some mysterious curse every airheaded wannabe movie critic on YT gets wrong - is that Deer Hunter IS NOT A WAR MOVIE. It's not. And Cimino, who made the damn thing, said so in every frikkin interview he could. So just stop, people. Stop calling and viewing this as a war movie, you're totally missing the gist of it with that outrageously wrong premise!
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That scene at the end of dear hunter with Nikki and Mike is gut wrenching, my father was a Vietnam vet who served during the Tet Offensive. It was under siege for 2 months and he could get over his demons
Your favorite scene has to be when they are singing "Can't Take My Eyes Off You" in the bar. Only guessing it because it is mine.
No sorry, Good guess but no
Totally mine too lol
Loved the format of this video and the way you broke things down. 👌🏼
Think I have to go and watch Apocalypse now… now! 😅
great insight, I personally haven’t watched these two but you gave interesting points!
I thought the whole time that he must pick “Deer Hunter” as the winner, because the video concept is called “unpopular opinion” and I’m new to the channel haha lol
But very good comparison!
Well the UnPopular Opinion Videos are normally reviews, But since It's a movie vs movie its not so much an UnPopular Opinion. Thats Why I move it to the back of the title
Deer Hunter, your favorite scene is the Russian Roulette while they're prisoners.
No not my favorite scene but thanks for playing along. Great scene though
Funny as Apocalypse was based on a story called Heart of Darkness but played so well to the hell of southeast Asia of the 60s
First of all, let me commend you for this fantastic analysis!
The best scene in The Deer Hunter: Nick is in the hospital and is questioned by the medical officer. He cops an attitude at first, but when the doctor asks about his parents, Nicky completely breaks down. It's where the disconnect between his home life and the trauma of the war suddenly becomes rude reality. That's the most powerful depiction of PTSD I have ever seen -- and possibly, the moment of spontaneous method acting that earned Walken his Oscar. I'd also commend the scene where Mike is alone in the hotel room and has his own moment of deep, brooding reflection...much more subdued, but a fitting companion piece to his buddy he left in country.
Say what you will about The Deer Hunter being inferior to Apocalypse Now, but the former film left a much more important legacy in real life than Coppola's masterpiece. From the official NPS website for the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington, D.C.: "After watching the film The Deer Hunter, Vietnam veteran Jan Scruggs decided that his fellow soldiers needed a tangible symbol of recognition from America of their service and sacrifice. By 1979 a memorial fund was formed, and in 1980 land in Constitution Gardens was authorized for the memorial placement. A design competition was announced, and 21-year-old Yale architecture student Maya Lin earned the unanimous selection."
Nice comment and I totally agree with you.. Walken literally gets questioned because his name is Russian until he breaks down crying. I like de Niro's scene in the hotel room more. It seems he's used to sit on the floor in the position he sits in and has that wound on his head from being hit all the time.. That hotel scene everytime I watch it it gets to me.. I like deer hunter also more than apocalypse now it's way more realistic especially what war does with people
my favorite scene is when Robert DiNero puts that extra bullet into the revolver and spins the revolver and it is his turn, and then he uses it to shoot that Mow guy in the forehead...yes ! and when Christopher Walken uses the butt of the rifle to smash the Mow guys head....
thats An Awesome scene.
@@realbobphilips very intense.....
I have always told anyone who will listen to watch the deer hunter
Is your favorite scene the one where Christopher Walken breaks down when he can't remember his parents names?
Good guess but unfortunately no!
Favorite scene, "you see this? This is this."
nope sorry! But Goo guess
I love how detailed this video is man
At first I thought the favourite scene might be John the bartender playing chopin in the bar, but I changed my mind. About the bar scene though, apart from the poignancy, it's the last time they were ever truly content before everything got messed up for literally everybody. Dzundza's character is always overlooked in its importance but he was like the glue between them all, keeping them all entertained and keeping the spirits up. That's why it was so upsetting to see him crying at the end as before then, he'd always just been the life and soul of the group. All in all I still think the deer hunter will have a much longer lasting legacy than apocalypse now as people are more drawn to a human character story than anything else you can put on film.
Oh and my guess for the favourite scene must be Nick breaking down in the hospital before he goes AWOL. It's the most intense scene for me and portrays the anti war message in the most hard hitting way. I can't think of anything else more poignant. Some of the subtle interactions between Michael and Linda are also amazing, especially during his homecoming, but i'm only allowed one guess.
those were unique and clever guesses. But unfortunately incorrecrt.
@@realbobphilips unique in the way that i managed to cheat and have 3 guesses! This is getting ridiculous though now, don't tell me i'll have to spend another 3 hours watching it all again just with this competition in mind
The "deer hunter" is my favorite movie of all time. What about mike back from vietnam, hunting, facing the deer and shot in the air, for your favorite scene ?
Dude keep up the good work I can see this channel getting big at some point
Thank You I really Apperciate tHat
interesting, thanks for upload!
Watched The Deer Hunter before, not Apocalypse Now. I'll check the Netflix. Happy New Year, stay safe, alive & subscribed.
Having lived in Pittsburgh (Clairton, the steel mill town where the Deer Hunter takes place, is part of the Pittsburgh metropolitan area) for 12 years, my main quibble with the Deer Hunter is that they filmed the hunting scenes in the Pacific Northwest, as opposed to the Appalachian Mountains of Pennsylvania.
I get that the Cascade Mountains of the PNW are more naturally dramatic than the mountains in Pennsylvania; but, it takes away from the realism of the story.
Doesn't take away from what Cimino intended to achieve. And he himself said what that was. So you gonna tell the author of the film he flunked on his goal which he considers accomplished just because the ignorant public doesn't have a clue? Nah, no you ain't.
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@@chickenlover657 yeah, actually, I am🙄
Also, your comment has nothing to do with my criticism (which is not too surprising, given your attitude)
@@GuadalupePicasso Actually it does. Just because you don't get it doesn't mean squat.
@@chickenlover657 ahhhhh, yes, the old debate “tactic” of calling into question the mental and/or intellectual aptitude of the other.
Personally the best 4 movies about the Vietnam war are Apocalypse Now, Full Metal Jacket, Platoon and Deer Hunter and honestly out of all of them, I prefer Deer Hunter a little more. The Russian Roulette scene had some of the greatest acting I've ever seen in a film. De Niro and Walken both gave groundbreaking performances. I've heard the conversations that these films don't give an accurate depiction of the Vietnam war but I believe they try to at the very least. Both Platoon and Deer Hunter won Academy Awards including Best Picture. Deer Hunter in 1979 and Platoon in 1987
Very well analysed
This isn't a fair comparison, but still a very cool video. : )
Agreed: Apocalypse Now is the better movie. Seen both in 1979. Apocalypse as a 70mm print with fantastic multi channel sound, The Deer Hunter as a 35mm anamorphic print and so-so optical sound. I love The Deer Hunter and it would be absolute perfection if it wasn't for the uneven pacing, to the point hat it seems there is a lot of footage missing. Village massacre - CUT - a hut at the river where our friends are held captive and forced to play russian roulette. Mike chasing Nick, but it vain - CUT - back in Pennsylvania, etc. Hmmm.... The dramatic music score (not counting with the fantastic guitar theme Cavatina) also sounds very old fashioned, with short cues only and bad sound - almost exactly like the first Mad Max a year later.
Im guesing it is the Russian Roulette scene when there prisoners in The Deer Hunter.
nice guess but no.
Heck yeah!!
Two great movies. Both won Oscars 1978
Apocalypse Now.
awesome!!
Despite the main country both movies are set in (Vietnam, probably filmed in Thailand) storylines are completely different : one's assigned by his superiors to terminate a renegade Colonel with a questionable history and he's in command of troops, the other movie focuses on a small community where three servicemen live and their traumatic experiences after being captured and the aftermath.
The content of each - quite understandably - has violence and scenes that are disturbing, however those are fictional stories that reflect what others have done for real - no need to draw comparisons.
Well done, Anthony! You hit the nail on the head: both movies are outstanding achievements in film but they have far more differences than comparable similarities. It's not quite apples vs oranges but more like having a video titles "Tennis Racket vs. Hockey Stick". As you said, no need to draw comparisons.
I think the favorite scene is where only nicky manage to get away with the chopper at the bridge and mike and stevie fall of the chopper into the water
That's a very unique guess but incorrect. However thanks For playing along
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Where you there? Because I’ve seen a lot of stories of torture
Nice but Dear Hunter for me
i think its the last "Russian roulette" scene......."Nicki!!!!!"
Thats an amazing guess but Unfortunately no
Try going; Apologise now vs Hot shots part duh
The jungle was the real enemy in Vietnam
Has anyone guessed your favorite scene?
Not yet
@@realbobphilips is it when nick talks about he likes the trees when they're hunting on the mountains
Both great movies but The Deer Hunter > Apocalypse now
i love The Deer Hunter
HOW DOES Eugene Levy wind up in this?
what?
Watch Christopher Walken's face in the scene with the Vietnam vet. He is indicating. It says, I have read the script and as an actor I know more than the character. Very sloppy directing and acting.
You're comparing one of the classic war films of all time ("Apocalypse now") to a pretentious, overlong, muddled, meandering, often deadly dull drama that happens to have the Vietnam war as part of a set-piece.
yes
@@realbobphilips Well. I think i've made my point (smirks and walks away)
The Deer Hunter is a truly awful film. There have been wildly overrated films before and since, but at least most of those have not possessed such a capacity for saying so little, over such an inordinate running time.
@@robertmaybeth3434 Boring and pretentious just because it doesn’t throw spectacle at your face every scene. People like you deserved the garbage mainstream American cinema has become.
I wouldn't based fact on what jocko says .....
Who cares about the audio comparison? I can appreciate both movies, but The Deer Hunter is more about the development of the characters, where as Apocalypse Now, is more popcorn and box office ..
What do you mean by popcorn and box office? I don’t understand this take at all.
@@maciejatkowski5524 Because Deer Hunter is a deep, deep, psychological drama, NOT a war movie (the war is just a background prop there, and Cimino himself said so dozens of times). While apocalypse now (yeah, I'm not even gonna dignify it with capital letters in the name) is a poor shock-and-awe take on american shock-and-awe tactics in Vietnam and just about any other place they ever touched. Apocalypse now is a piece of visionary propaganda aiming to scandalize and baffle the audience, while Deer Hunter is a masterpiece on human psychology. Incomparable.
@@chickenlover657 It's funny, because I would say the exact same thing, just with films being exchanged. I don't think it's accurate at all that Apocalypse Now is propagandist. Where? Do you really think that Francis Ford Coppola would make a black and white propagandist film, based on The Heart of Darkness? This doesn't hold up.
@@maciejatkowski5524 You think spinning narratives and agendas is beyond artists? Think again.
The general direction of the propaganda is plain. But then maybe you're unfamiliar with the term "visionary propaganda".
Anyway, here's what Coppola said himself: "My film is not a movie. My film is not about Vietnam. It is Vietnam. It’s what it was really like. It was crazy. And the way we made it was very much like the way the Americans were in Vietnam. We were in the jungle. There were too many of us. We had access to too much money, too much equipment, and little by little, we went insane.”
Basically, all he has is a strong opinion. He wasn't there, he knows squat, but makes it out to be on level of a documentary. Well nah.
But yeah, if you don't understand the push behind the movie, you might be fooled by the Monty Python elements and argue it's a satirical piece.
@@chickenlover657 So you’re condescending towards me. That explains the whole argument. You’re angry at Coppola for no reason and read too much into his words. Actually, here he just expressed what his intentions were - to create compete chaos on the screen. It is the psychological explanation you wanted.
Those fireworks are fireworks they’re not supposed to be bullets lmao it even mentions that they are fireworks in the movie dialogue. If they intended those to be bullets it would be the most amateurish move in a high budget movie you can’t actually believe that that’s true come on man really. 🤦♂️
You’re actually a moron if you think that. First of all I’ve seen this movie more than forty times. And no such dialogue exists where the characters talk about fire works. The closest thing I can think of that’s remotely similar to that is at the Bridge when they keep shooting up flares but that’s not what I was talking about. Secondly do you actually think that those projectiles the NVA or any other communist force were firing at the boat were bottle rockets. Like of all the weapons they could have used do attack the enemy do you really think they would settle for that and have thousands of them to rapidly shoot all at once. I don’t think so. And lastly if those were indeed fireworks then how could they have made bullet holes in the boats hull or have been strong enough to penetrate Cleans body and kill him. You are gravely mistaken.
@@realbobphilips wow settle down buddy they aren’t bullets that would be so amateur for a director of his skill
@@realbobphilips If these were tracers, then we should hear the sound of machine gun fire in the trees, but we don't. Just the sound of rockets whistling by. If Coppola wanted this to be gun fire, he could have easily had a couple of guys shooting off blanks in the trees, but he didn't.
Could a rocket that small really kill somebody? Yes! The Gyrojet en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyrojet shot rockets at least as small, and they could hit with greater energy than a .45 ACP.
Did anybody use little rockets like this in Vietnam? Probably not. But it sort of fits in with the movie. It's weird, just like everything in this movie is weird.
I think the director made the decision to leave out the machine gun fire audio from the ambush scene to make the confusion on the boat more real and relatable to the audience. In combat most of the time you usually see the bullets hit something or kill someone before you hear the shot or even hear it. And there’s been movies in the past where the filmmakers don’t broadcast the gunfire sound effect for artistic and creative purposes to make it more cinematic for the audience. Prime example of that would be the shoot out in Buffalo Bill’s basement in Silence Of The Lambs.
@@taylorjeremy71 Thank you,!!
Montagrad? It's pronounced män(t)ənˈyärd/ And the Dolong Bridge is pronounced like Dough Long Bridge. Now do Apocalypse Now against Full Metal Jacket.
I would do a FMJ vs Apocalypse Now video, but my consistent fans already know that FMJ is my all time favorite movie. And Apocalypse Now wouldn’t win that. So that may not be a good video. But if you truly want to see it than. I’ll consider it.
@@realbobphilips Perhaps Apocalypse Now vs. Platoon would be a better comparison?
IMO, there's no competition. Apocalypse now, at least in its tighter theatrical cut, is a masterpiece. The Deer Hunter isn't even a good film. It's wildly overlong, has zero charactersation, no pace, no interesting dialogue, and several uninteresting scenes that drag themselves out to Doomsday for no reason whatsoever. The most egregious examples of the latter are the half hour long wedding scene and the dinner round the table before the credits, but overall it's an unnecessarily tedious effort with only a handful of memorable scenes. The deer hunting scenes are nicely photographed and have a Malickian quality to them. The score is good. The Russian roulette scene is good, but it isn't as affecting as it could be because you know nothing about the characters. Why has Christopher Walken's character snapped but no one else has? Why is De Niro's character risking his own life to try and bring him back? You learn nothing about either of these characters or their past relation to one another. Why is it a three hour long film when the plot is slim enough to fit within 90 minutes? Why could nobody be bothered to write one single piece of memorable dialogue? Why do so many folk pretend this sleeping pill is some kind of masterpiece?
I say the same thing about the Godfather. I think you'd like my channel.
@@realbobphilips Sure. I've subscribed. I really like The Godfather, btw, but Once Upon a Time in America is a better film.
You are the most tasteless person in the world if you think The Deer Hunter is not "even good". You may not like it, but you should respect it if you want to be taken seriously. I really didn't like the Godfather, but I can't say "it's not even good" without feeling like a dumbass.
I disagree. I've only seen The Deer Hunter once and was able to quote a few memorable lines. I think it is a beautiful movie that is dragged out so you can really feel like you're with the characters. Not everyone completely goes crazy, which is why only Nick does. I find it strange since you like Godfather and Once Upon a Time in America, both very drawn out movies. (I love them both as well).
@@DarkPablo Both of those films have a lot more pace and plot, and more clearly delineated characters. Once Upon a Time in America is probably my favourite film of all time.
I love both films. I was a child in the sixties in the UK and Britain at that that time was still scarred by the WW2 and the blitz. The word Vietnam was always in the news but nobody here really talked about it and I didn’t know what it was. I asked my father once and didn’t get a satisfactory answer and I just couldn’t work out who ‘the baddies’ were or why. My point being, when these two films came out I was genuinely shocked at how awful the whole thing had been and that the word Vietnam had, unknown to my child mind, been so much death and horror. It had a profound impact on me. Thanks for the great analysis!
Thats why we make these videos, For people to enjoy them. Even if the video is a total flop, If one person truly and genuinely likes it. Than its a success
My guess for your favorite scene is when Cazale's character points a gun at the other guy in the room, and then De Niro is so angered by it he leaves one bullet in the chamber, puts the gun to Cazale's head and pulls the trigger, all while shouting "You think you're a tough guy?"
For my money the tensest scene in the movie, seeing a true clash between the veteran and the man who stayed home.
That's a good guess, but I'm afraid that's incorrect. But Thanks for playing along.
I love both movies but somehow the deer hunter does have a more special place in my heart.. I actually never heard somebody mention this but it seems that Michael played by de Niro became a green beret apart from Steve and Nick which is very realistic because he's the one who is by far the strongest guy out of the 3. And I mean mentally. It's something small but I always like that detail in the deer hunter.
You made up a bunch of bogus categories to judge these movies on. Thumbs down.
Is your favourite scene where Mike loses it with Stan?
No but that’s a very good guess!!
Alright, three years later I return for guess #2. It's gotta be "this is this"
Sorry that’s incorrect
Saigon……..SHYT! Heck of an opening to a movie.
When Mike decided not to kill the dear
Good guess but unfortunately no.
Two of the greatest war/anti-war films ever made, along with Cross of Iron and Come & See. Both are brilliant and have many memorable lines and scenes. Although I love both, I slightly prefer Apocalypse Now for its deeper sense of war as hell, torment and madness.
Except it's not an anti-war movie or a war movie, Cimino said that like 50 times in his interviews, so just stop it.
did we ever find out what your favorite scene is??
no, you have to guess. that's the point of the game. no one has correctly guessed it yet
Love this movie
My unpopular opinion:
Apocalypse Now is better than Deer Hunter and Full Metal Jacket is better than Platoon. In fact I even consider Hamburger Hill as third best.
if you are interested, I actually made a FMJ Vs Platoon Video th-cam.com/video/_Tru6mULRKg/w-d-xo.html
Ham Hill is the goat of Vietnam movies.
Listen here
Your gonna save my life
An I'm gonna save yours
Don't be out there thinking about pussy alphabet.
I actually just did a video on hamburger hill if you want to check it out I'd really appreciate that th-cam.com/video/r0vz150T7Do/w-d-xo.html
@@mrillis9259 I just made a video on Hamburger Hill th-cam.com/video/r0vz150T7Do/w-d-xo.html I'd love if you check it out.
nice content.
Favorite scene: The boys drunk and singing "Can't take my eyes off of you."
nice guess but incorrect
@@realbobphilips I can't help but think about great times I had with my buds every time I see those guys hamming it up with karaoke 'Merican coal-country style! Chicks love it too, by the way: many women have told me they love that scene as well. Oh, well, since I have only one guess I can't suggest my other favorite scene: Willard emerging at the top of the temple, having just killed Kurtz, and he has the opportunity to become a god as the people kneel before him. That moment of temptation is unique in film, to my knowledge (excluding silly super hero movies). I don't think I've ever seen any other film deal with that. Unique.
My top two all-time favourite movies, awesome!
Your Fav deer hunter scene :
1.Nick spits in Mikes face
Or
2.Mike does roulette with Stan when hes screwing with the gun in the cabin
Or
3."This is this"
Or
4. The guy playing piano and the men silently watch him
you're only allowed one guess but unfortunately all were incorrect
@@realbobphilips how about when Axl takes a piss and drinks a beer at the same time ?
Easily my two favourite war movies. Jarhead and Casualties of War are also up there.
jarhead is another meandering movie with nothing to say and nothing interesting for the characters to do that happens to be set in wartime. Casualties" is about war crimes and what war does to men and is hard to watch -
@@robertmaybeth3434 I think Jarhead has plenty to say.
Full Metal Jacket (1987) & Apocalypse Now (1979) are easily my favorite War Films.
No, no, no! First of all these movies are incomparable on any level. Second, and more importantly - which by some mysterious curse every airheaded wannabe movie critic on YT gets wrong - is that Deer Hunter IS NOT A WAR MOVIE. It's not. And Cimino, who made the damn thing, said so in every frikkin interview he could. So just stop, people. Stop calling and viewing this as a war movie, you're totally missing the gist of it with that outrageously wrong premise!