Barberchair Intentional vs unintentional
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- This video shows the use of an intentional barber chair to aid in the falling of two trees into the street on a cul de sac. While barber chair is considered to be one of the greatest dangers faced by loggers, it has properties that may be helpful in a controlled situation. This video shows several unintentional barber chairs downloaded from youtube and along with one successful and one failed attempt at inducing a barber chair with a high pull line and skid steer loader. This video is more of a warning about the dangers of barber chair than a recommendation for its use. Illustrated examples of a bypass Dutchman in the face cut causing barber chair are shown. Please don't try this at home.
Thumbs up for being a genuine, good-intentioned, hard working, professional with a dangerous job.Trying to improve your field. wonderful.
I have found, from watching other tree felling videos, that many times people will use their car or truck to cushion the blow, so the tree will not damage the road or driveway.
And their homes, in some cases.
LMAOO
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I'm just glad the tree was okay
Lost a friend's dad to this. He cut wood all my childhood. I've cut firewood for 20 years. I've only seen it one time and I was ready for it. I didn't know it was gonna happen, I was just ready.
Thank you for showing the barber chair. I saw one afterward when trees fell as a result of storms. Saw a safety film earlier of a man getting killed by this.
Thanks for the diagram showing the potential danger of a Dutchman. I.e., not just someone being picky. Good information throughout.
Thank you for the diagram. I was taught to notch trees, but never saw what an improper notch would do.
Glad it was helpful!
"Nothing we can do wrong"
Famous last words
Ihave no earthly idea why this showed up in my suggestions today, two years later but I am VERY grateful. Always informative and easy to watch, your humility is very endearing. But this takes the cake, the Blue Ribbon one, the Best in Show trophy. How can I repay you?
Your praise is plenty. Just be careful and always do the right thing!
Great video! Great explanations and fantastic footage . Thank you very much. You learn so much about proper, safe techniques when you understand why failures happen. The knowledge will shared with us will make anyone who never understood how a barber chair occurs, become a safer tree cutter!
Watched several videos on this subject. You have explained it very well thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
I just watched another video where the logger used some kind of step cut method for falling an ash tree that was leaning heavily. It had lots of favorable comments from other experienced loggers and arborists, but nobody explained why he did what he did or what could happen if it wasn't cut properly. I never heard of a "barberchair" until this video and your excellent explanation.
That was the best explanation of Barber Chair that I've seen !
Best review I've ever found.
good stuff Brother. I tree trim and find barber chair useful to control the fall. Not around tree or limb when felling. (I use winches) Thanks for posting.
Great information here! Thanks Daniel!
I have intentionally barberchaired an elm over an old crappy fence, the preservation of which wasn't of great importance.. it worked fairly well, like mortise and tenon, but as you observed, the results are inconsistent. So only useful in situations where a customer maybe says "I dont really care about that flower garden or sidewalk or fence or whatever, but if you can avoid it, great. If it breaks, it's not a big deal"
That diagram was really educational. Thank you for taking the time
Wow pretty risky there bud just can’t comprehend why you would do that that’s one of our worst fears in our profession
We do well to avoid dangers that we do not understand. The only way yo understand something is to explore it. To do that safely means doing it in a controlled way. It seems that many have a hard time looking at the potential upside of a controlled barber chair. In this situation there was very little risk. SO LITTLE IT WAS ALMOST ZERO. On the other hand we have here a video that offers a lot of informaton and understanding about the causes of BBC. As long as people learned something, IMO its well worth the "risk" and effot to make this video. Judging by the many responses it did help to that end.
Daniel Murphy kool deal be safe
Nice discussion of barber chair, very nice. But what a dangerous mess!
So I have a question, would an open-face notch help to prevent a barber chair then, versus a traditional or Humboldt notch?
no, the width of the notch does not affect the movement of the tree prior to the face closing. The depth of the notch on the other hand has a lot to do with barber chair. It's more about the hinge, and if the hinge is not weaker than the vertical grain that keeps the trunk from splitting. A shallow nothc will make it easier to split the trunk vertically.
The one advantage of an open faced notch is that it makes inspection a lot easier, to make sure there is no bypass in the face cuts which can lead to BBC.
These videos remind me how HEAVY trees are.
Ain't that the truth! I know greenwood is not as heavy as steel or slate, but when you're a bag of meat and water, you are NO COMPETITION. It's important to remember that at all times.
I've seen intentional barber chairs done by wildlife & conservation professionals to lay a tree over while keeping it alive sort of like a giant hedge row to create a deer run.
If you put a strap or chain around the tree, would that stop the barber chair?
Back watching this video again and its still fascinating. The way the cordage performed was brilliant really. I guess its a lesson in mechanical advantage. I would not think for a second that rope would contain all the force of a falling tree, but I guess every wrap around the trunk multiplies the mechanical strength of the cordage.
Exciting to say the least! Very good demo. Question: run the saw all the way around the trunk into two inches deep. This will be a good indicator if the rot is on one side or around it. Always have a clear way to run away!
If I;m checking for rot, I plunge in with the bar upright.. the amount of potential hlding wood removed is close to zero
Amazing video... How'd you get Ron Pearlman to act though? Figured he'd cost a fortune.
Regarding the wrapping below the cut on the first tree to prevent unwanted splitting: Could wrapping around the trunk above the felling cut also help reduce the chance of a barber chair?
most definitely.. that's a good way to play it safe
Your life comes first before the rd
Interesting stuff. Especially how to avoid an unintentionally. Thank you sir!
isnt that a hinge cut instead of barber chair? or are the two the same thing?
Daniel Murphy tree just solved the myth of running a chainsaw and vrooming it up three times
For me all this proves that even the most experienced tree cutter never knows 100% where a tree is going to go once it starts to fall. It is still one of the most (if not the most) dangerous jobs of all.
Perfecting the art of the intentional barber chair. 👍👍👍👍
Since 2014
Check Terry Hale’s channel. While his delivery is really dry, he approaches the subject and many others through the eyes of an engineer.
I've been barber chairing since I was about 15. I did it about 3 to 4 ft. off the ground. It was cover for the deer. Unless u r in a stand. I didn't realize that it killed a lot of loggers. I did know it was dangerous. I'm 39 now. I don't do it intentionally anymore.
Amazing video. Thank you for sharing that. I sure wish you were in my neighborhood but I think I hear a slight northeast accent.
I would strongly recommend never to try this ever...and thank you sir, definitely risked your life to bring us this knowledge.
Also bypass dutchman is great knowledge to know and i realised ive been complacent in really cleaning up my scarf cuts. 👍
very informative great video i definitely learned something thanks
Да… я видел как положили дерево на улицу и пробили водопровод… к одним проблемам создали себе дополнительные! Думаю традиционный и проверенный способ лучше этого!
I would not want to be the one making the relief cut with that big trunk up in the air like that.
THe skid steer allowed me to do it safely.. 100% safely..
Oh fuck that clip of the logger. I think I just watched a man shit himself
Well it looks like I failed at creating a barberchair. Most people wouldn't be disappointed at that.
Daniel always a very informative video...work safe...More videos please..
This was a very insightful video. Thanks for the share!
Glad it was helpful!
best education ive seen ty and god bless you
that means a lot... really appreciated
I cut down trees with a barber chair
Nice honest vid. Thanks
Yes dude..we get it. The top of the tree moved.
I love your videos Dan and I'm glad we're friends on Facebook
The second cut was beautiful. Low and slow.
I’ll likely never cut down a tree. It’s 12am and I have work in 6 hours… 🤦🏾♂️🤣
get some help!!! (haha)
Good use of a situation 👌👌
Yeah thanks.. always good when a plan comes together
I like to try and do it to alders over my barb wire on my property. Doesn’t always work. 👍
Barber chair - talk show
Those trees are still there on Google maps lol
Re your assessment of the post-operation blacktop condition report;
who you tryina convince, us or you? ~ %》
Barber chairing a tree is never a good idea or technique to use to fell a tree this is the most absurd assumption I've ever heard in all my years of this business. Folks never ever do this a barber chair can happen in the blink of an eye an it can and will kill you if not seriously injur u. Yea they happen unintentionally but no tree man I've ever worked with would recommend it as a technique. I've personally experienced this and when the back side of a tree blows out whether it be the notch not deep enough or interior vertical splitting in the grain it's a very scary event and like I said can kill u in a split second.
Never say never, but always work within your limitations if that makes sense!
@@murphy4trees I say this with no doubt in your ability but you said it yourself in the beginning of your video that it kills alot of loggers and u dont know of anyone who does it as a technique! As far as my capabilities I was born into this business! I was thrown in a saddle at 13 an been doing it since I wont say I know it all, an I learn new stuff all the time but I wouldn't personally intentionally do it to fell a tree in any scenario especially having one happen like a violent explosion in my face I barely got away from, ofcourse I was green to notching and felling but It happened and I learned from it. So when it comes to trees like ash, alder ect. Depending the size and condition a few feet above the cut is secured to help prevent it from happening. Ive never had an accident as far as destroying property or injuring anyone knock on wood an I've fell oak trees that were 6ft through 90+ft on numerous occasions. Either way a barberchair is one of many ways you can get seriously injured in this line of work an its definitely not a practice I would personally consider, but to each is own be safe out there and take care brother if u find success in it keep on keeping on I wish u the best.
in his ability? , thank god he didnt trip or land it on his truck and chipper which could have happened. a good ending would have been to show people how to back cut a loaded tree.
Throttle thru
Rick ross got me here
Yeah... don't do this intentionally. That tree fell at a steeper angle as a result and your worries about poking through the blacktop... much worse. Notch the front; flat bottom, 45 degree top. Make sure the notch cuts meet together at the same point. Back cut an inch or so above the notch crease, leaving an inch or two central "board", and shout timber because you never know what idiot just pulled up in their brand new RAM, and it'd be a real shame to RAM the truck and them into the ground.
worst thing are when tree stays up in the air ,lucky you you have bulldozzer but most dont have it
you can still get that tree down with a rope and truck and never go anywhere near the danger zone
@@murphy4trees truck not so because most of woods are not available for trucks,maybe tractor but even that is not so accessible
Nuts! Just "NUTS"!!!
Interesting
So I just started my own chainsaw Chanel and its picking up slowly . Any tips besides being kind and polite? @boostaddict
give them something in return for their time.. something of value
1:44 fucking scary
Daniel - Great feature and I'd love to hear the story of mentioning this to the homeowner. I don't believe you are in entirely accurate when you mention sweet gum is stronger than ash. Here's an example of a wood strength chart. Ash is about 20% "stronger" when compared at bending strength. I didn't have my ISA chart handy. workshopcompanion.com/KnowHow/Design/Nature_of_Wood/3_Wood_Strength/3_Wood_Strength.htm
An intentional barber chair to help avoid street damage... Interesting logic but I can smell what you're smoking
**Blacktop**
I've been using chain saws for 40 years. If I learned one thing from this video, it's that I've been lucky.
God yes. My Dad and I used to do a fair amount of logging tho we knew very little technical about it. The good lord was watching over us.
WILL THINKING COULD B WRONG BUT IF THEY TRIED IT THIS WAY MIGHT B BETTER WHERE EVER THE BROKEN PART OF THE TREE IS TIE A CHAIN UP THERE SO THEN ANOTHER ONE BELOW IT DO NOT CUT ABOVE THE CHAIN CUTTING BELOW CAUSE THEN THE TREE WILL COME APART INSTEAD IT SHOULD FALL LIKE IT WAS A TOTALLY WHOLE TREE B MORE SAFER THAT WAY IN WHATEVER YALL R DOING TRY IT OUT OK,,,
@@antoniocortez2697 what happens when you get knocked unconscious by the chain when it pings off from being under so much pressure
Same here
You should probably stop using a saw then
I needed to see your drawing of the bypass Dutchman. Knowledge is power. Thanks for sharing.
A similar thing can happen with the angle cut going too far also. On his drawing it was the cut parallel to the ground that went too far, which is a really bad thing, but having the angle cut bypass can also cause a problem too.
Superb video Daniel. A very clear explanation of what causes Barberchairs and, more importantly for beginners in tree work, an exposition of the dangers of a Dutchman, which I think is less well known in general.
Holy crap this is fascinating-love this stuff,just started watching Bucking Billy Ray!
Thanks for doing this 😃
Thought the mailbox was gunna get it
Very informative video and thank you thank you thank you for toning down the saw sound! No one does this lol
Very good idea, you were extremely informative and really detailed. I agree that I don't think the barberchair technique will be used ever really. It is pretty dangerous and so it makes sense, but the properties you were explaining are really interesting. Thank you for this informative video!
I use the barber chair intentionally on a tree that is up to 12" diameter at the base and 3 to 4 feet high so I can cut the tree slowly so I dont damage a lawn or because I want the trunk of the tree to be off the ground to cut it up easily.
My father was awesome at felling trees, I wish I would have learned more from him while I was young, and I haven't cut in awhile and learned last weekend, my eyesight not that good anymore and cut too much hold wood out, and had a back leaner that hold wood let loose and jumped off stump and went totally wrong way, but at least nothing or nobody hurt, at least I learned a lesson!!!!!
Amen! Those days stay with you, don't they??
3:14 did someone just crack open a cold one?
ha ha ha yeah sounded just like it.....
All the show-offs and dare devils are fun for a while but you have to come back to sanity now and then. That's why I study DM and listen to everything he says.
Who is DM and how do I study him?
Very informative thanks learned a lot appreciate you showing me film
I'm 60, female and just a part-time landscaper who does cut some small trees. I want to say that this is the most informative video, out of the thousands of YT arborist's videos, that I've ever seen. Thank you for being so detailed.
CountryLifeTales better be carful old lady this is a young mans game. Old men need to leave it to us to do tbe job they cant do nothing
@@gsfbffxpdhhdf7043 no need to be a jerk
"Thousands of videos" just like a woman to exaggerate.
Great, love getting walked through an intentional barberchair
I have 0 interest in tree cutting but this was a great video and I enjoyed it throughout lol, good job man!
Same
Yes, and don't let this video get you anymore interested. Very dangerous and a very distasteful vid to put out to an audience of mostly novice/amateur chainsaw users.
Smart idea to wrap the trunk with rope. Ammetures should probably do that always.
11:18 Rate My Hinge!
Lol
He's a expert at what he does 4Sure...thanks for the lesson . Ash trees make for good base ball bats also in the straight sections of the tree sometimes.
Very informational, thank you!
Thank you for sharing this☺
Best explanation of an unintentional dutchman. Thank you
I have a lot of Aspen / Popple trees. They naturally “Barber Chair” when they fall. Being a self taught logger on my very wooded property, I take them down by starting to process them at the tree tops until their own weight brings them down. When I see one, I really evaluate the tree before any cutting. I actually had a very large maple Barber Chair that fell split30’ up. The hinge was the part that Barber Chaired and the tree remained connected. When I cut the top branches off, the tree kept dropping where it was connected with each under cut. To this day, the tree is still hung up on itself as it is to risky to mess with.
Ive seen several videos of injuries/close calls where the bottom of the trunk swings back and up like that. Always wondered what caused it and this is exactly it. Im doing land clearing at a ranch and its my first job ever getting hands on felling trees, we've already had some minor incidents and small injuries so I started looking into things like this. Thank you so much for this video
Best vid i have seen on the subject. You are likely saving lives
Thank you! One actual, real experiment is worth a month of arguing, debating, and theorizing about what *would* happen.
You should definitely consider this an incredible success -- because all of us watching gained a lot of wisdom. Possibly life-saving wisdom.
Doesn’t take much to get a white Ash to slab out.
Just curious why didn’t you have a chain or the straps above your cut to avoid the barber chair???
Did you watch the video without audio? He made it clear that he was intentionally trying to get the trees to barberchair.
This helps me understand this better! Thanks.
Definitely one of the better explanations I've heard for this thank you
What a great video! Great passing of some good knowledge.
The pucker factor was cranked up to 11.
The more I learn about tree work the more I worry about the new guys on the jobsite. There's just so many dangers that must be considered. It's a wonder I'm still alive after being a self taught owner of a local tree service. Great video.
I cut my gums in hip deep snow, clearing widowmakers from the NE ice storm in the late 90's. Luckily I was young and inexperienced enough, I had NO IDEA how dangerous everything I did was. There was someone knowledgable guiding me, but looking back after everything I've learned, I was totally riding the seat of my pants for weeks.
I've been cutting trees for decades. My grandpa taught me how to log. You can wrap the tree with a chain with a grab hook above the cut, or wrap with heavy poly line. I've seen people cut a cuved leaner like alder and the stump kicks back 10 feet.