Hope this brings some understanding to the Keith Poche incident at Toledo Bend. Understanding the BASS rules, what we are allowed to do as anglers as well as what we are not allowed to do.
Much respect to you Gerald !!! Your 💯 right, I saw you hook a bass outside the mouth and you throw the bass back… I live by this “Do the right thing when no one is looking.” Good luck 🍀 G-Man
Integrity isn't a part-time habit. You're either right or you're wrong. If you don't know, ask. Mistakes happen, but that never excludes you from the consequences of your actions. People don't want consequences for actions if they have excuses. You the man G!!!
People talk about integrity. The root of that word is ‘integer’ which means ‘whole’. So integrity is about being ‘whole’ in everything you do. That means following rules, expecting others to do the same AND knowing that you are setting an example for others to follow. Well out, Gerald!! Your integrity is heard…LOUD AND CLEAR!!!
@The_Garmin_Guru couldn't agree more. Anything to get the G brand in front of more people. You've probably noticed, he don't do anything for anyone unless there's a camera involved
Thank you Gerald! Best video I have seen in awhile! You are 100% correct that you better read the rules! If not sure you better check! You represent BASS as a professional well!
You are a wonderful role model G and I thank you for that! My 12 year old son loves you and so do I! Your integrity is refreshing and God bless you for it!
It's akin to when you give your word you stick to it. We all make mistakes but there's no excuse to blatantly and purposely break rules to give yourself an advantage. I read the opens rules quite a few time. Loving the shop talk stuff brother glad to see a longer video. Appreciate your time. See you and Lulu at Murray in May.
Wonderfully said G. If everyone would spend less time trying to bend the rules and more time working within the rules, we would all be in better shape. I admire your courage to speak the truth. Thank You
Awesome perspective. I lead a lot of folks in my day to day job. I always say that you have to understand the big picture and what you do you do to the team. What I mean is that your actions almost never effect just you.
Well said. Agree with the rules or not, the rules are the rules. All anglers who fish the Tournament are responsible to follow them (agree with them or not). Great perspective on the impact of changing the natural formation of lake beds etc.
This needs to be a PSA prior to the start of any tournament trail!!! Just rewatched since the original posting and still gleaned some information from the discussion.
Thank you for always having the backs of every bass fisherman by doing the right thing. You are definitely the comedy entertainer of bass fishing, and the voice that is always honest. You have my respect and I'm sure that of many many others. I know it will probably never happen but if you are ever in Oregon I would enjoy taking you fishing and spending the day with one of the great people of our sport. Thank you again, Duane Mathis
Thanks for there thoughts on the rules! I shared this quote with Trey when he got DQed. Life is a series of inconveniences. The measure of a man is how you respond to those inconveniences. ~ Herm Edwards~ Thank you GMan for being an example and speaking up when folks need to see the right side of the issue!
The best response I’ve heard so far. Most guys are complaining about rules, well it’s not clear, or we need to change….. I’m great w anglers doing that privately w BASS or whatever their organization but putting the organization on blast and blaming them is just victimizing themselves. We all have rules we have to follow regardless of how we “feel” about them. Thanks for doing and saying the right thing even though it’s not pc at this moment. Real men have character and do what’s right whether someone is looking or not. It’s like golf, it’s up to the player to be honest and take the stroke bs someone else’s job to do it! We have to get back to doing what’s right no matter the cost to us personally! Appreciate your character brother!
No different than any other profession, we all have rules of what we can and can not do. We all have signed our names on items. I sign off on high liability equipment everyday that I’m held personably responsible for like railroad crossings, signals and many other assets. Gotta know and follow the rules. Well said Gman.
I don’t think they hate him at all, I just think that the rules are the rules. I like the way Keith fishes and I like watching him do good, but anyone that breaks the rules deserves the punishment.
You are exactly right!! I been wondering which way I thought it shld have gone but you are right!! Tournament Director has the final say!! That just by itself don't need no explanation!! You owned your DQ & Trey owned his!! That folks is a leader!!!
Thank you for saying this!! And the whole “against the little man” statement! Keith knows what he doing, and he found a market for that specific phrase. Fact is 90% of viewers don’t own a 150k, fancy electronics, many are fishing from shore. Keith found a market for his brand and is promoting his brand to them. No one is against the little man here, the rules are the rules. If you don’t like, fish in a tournament with your rule standards. Good stuff GMan!!
Gerald I respect you and your explanation of what's happening at the moment, I also love Keith's drive to take it to the level he takes it and I understand 💯. In the south when you see a 170 " buck on a small piece of land we will do whatever it takes to get on that piece of property! If it was left up to me all y'all would be jumping sand bars!!! All respect, no disrespect to anyone. May God bless all!
In the MLF BFL tourneys, the rule for Alabama rigs are 5 spinners, 5 lures, 3 hooks max or state rule applies if more restrictive. Alabama rig hook requirements vary from 1 to unlimited depending on the state, but the MLF rule takes priority. Therefore not leaving tournament water supersedes what the state may allow others to do. Anyone who has fished tournaments enough knows that. He broke the rules. Side note - I am not claiming that I know what was in the mind of Keith Poche but here is a thought. Knowing that an angler suppose to approach the director with any questions about the rules, he may not have done so on purpose. He went to the governing authority over Toledo Bend knowing they would tell him its legal to jump that roller. No one would see him do it. Then if he won the tournament he would pass the lie detector test when ask if he did anything illegal. I'm probably reaching. Some say I am not. BTW - TH-camr Cerebral Tackle makes a compelling case why Keith Poche broke the rules. Watch th-cam.com/video/1tWkSbGCv7s/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=CerebralTackle
G! First I wanna say, I look up to you, love what you do , love following you, and will always pull for you in every derby you fish. BUT I have to play devils advocate here. You touched on this and I’ll take it a step further, when you got a DQ at the classic, you honestly felt in your heart you didn’t do anything wrong. Hell I didn’t think you did anything against the rules. But an interpretation deemed you did. Keith is in the same boat. Now that may be comparing apples to oranges, but after reading the rules myself it was kind of grey for me as well as to watching what Keith did and determining if he broke the rules. Should he have called hank? Absolutely. But I don’t think for a minute that if Keith thought he was breaking rules, and would then get a DQ for that day that he would have done what he did. The same with you at the classic. I’m not saying he is right, and I’m not saying you are wrong by any means. All I’m saying is in the heat of the moment with everything at stake on the line that it would be easy to make a possible wrong decision. And it’s hard for me to stand on one side or the other without actually being there. Love what you do G, you and lulu keep up the awesome work y’all do.
I agree with you GMan.. the tournament rules supersede the State Law.. the tournament rules and the leaders of the tournament decide right and wrong.. I’m a truck driver by trade.. the DOT sets the rules we operate by.. but if my Company’s rules are more strict, and I violate them, it is within my company’s right to fire me for the offense.. and if they do, I agreed to be bound to the company rules when I hired on… same thing here..
GMAN, I appreciate your stance, but I'd like to clarify 2 things you have stated that's not true. 1. You stated that in the rule book it states you can not run over dry ground. I personally fished the Open on Toldeo, and I signed the "book " (technically, it was docu signed email). I just read it again, and it DOES NOT have that statement in the rules. 2. You stated that Keith did not use the roller system when, in actuality, he crossed right where the rollers are located, the rules do say he can't get out of the boat to drag his boat over the rollers so he just used horse power from the motor. Here's the only issue I have with BASS on this ruling, their ruling was Keith left tournament waters while going over the rollers. Had they DQ'd him for safety (like your Classic DQ), then I could agree, but leaving tournament waters is just BS. Good luck at Sabine. God Bless and tight lines!
I agree with you that everyone should follow the rules. By saying what you did years ago when running by another angler is not in that rule book is not true. It’s under “Safety” and “Sportmanship”, which both mention the safety of all competitors. Nothing about running that close to another boat is safe. There are also boating laws against what you did and it doesn’t matter if he “motioned” you on. Practice what you preach G.
I’ll be honest G, I’ve long been on the fence about supporting you because, even though I can relate to your story, since the classic DQ, I wondered about what your approach to fishing might be. Clearly, you’re a person of integrity and you want what’s right to prevail. I’m glad you put this message out; by doing so, you earned another supporter and fan.
I’m the same way with my job. First off I’m representing myself. I hold myself to a high standard. Secondly I’m representing my union. 3rd I’m representing upbringing to do what’s right and do a days work for a days pay. Too many keyboard warriors these days. I was taught unless I know all there is about a situation, keep my thoughts to myself. Thanks gman.
After going online and reading the rules. I will have to agree with G. I’m old, and I remember G getting DQ’d. I have seen others DQ’d. Hell, I DUI’d sitting in the passenger seat, and ask the officer why since I was in the passenger seat sleeping. He said this truck didn’t drive down into this ditch by itself, and I don’t see any tracks in the mud, your drunk, and your getting a DUI. It stood up in court. So I feel poche’s pain. But I got a DUI and he got DQ’d. Fair or not, it’s the judges ruling that counts. 😁👍👍
We got a real yapper over here …. Poche did nothing wrong , that body of water is connected to Toledo bend . I fish it all the time . If it was raining would it be considered “dry” ground ?
Rules are Rules and if you want to compete is it what it is. It is a pretty sweet Gig Fishing for a living and like any Job you have to suck it up a little and roll with it but it’s paramount to always be your Genuine Honest Self and have a good time and do what you do. Semper Fidelis
Pretty clear video G. Rules are rules and there are grey areas but you better ask if you're not sure. Ron Nelson lives 10 miles from me but just suffered a similar fate. He had to dump his fish and start over for the day but the tournament director's interpretation is what it is.
This our society today, many have liberal idea and think that’s OK , till the liberal idea hurts them. I’m with you rules are rules regardless of whether I understand. Look at what is going on in our government. RESPECT each other and the rules.
Professionalism and integrity. I thought it was illegal as soon as I read the rules myself. I didn’t know because I hadn’t read the rules but once I did, I knew what Poche did was illegal according to the book.
Poche didn't brake any rules. It clearly said Tournament waters are Toledo Bend Reservoir and any creeks or canals connected to it. If you look up the map and outline of Toledo Bend the area he fished is very clearly within the boundaries of Toledo Bend. BASS was completely in the wrong to do what they did.
@@GeraldGMANSwindle I understand dry ground but in my eyes and alot of others eyes yall cheat in some form come gman you know guys get info you're crazy if you dont think they do lol
Well said GMan that was an excellent way to tell it. I definitely see what your saying and agree 💯 % And I love that Mountain Dew Radio behind you thats awesome. Lol Would love to have one. 📻
Unless the hard copy of the rules are different than what is posted by Bassmaster on-line, here's the only statement in the Elite rules where the term "dry land" is used, that I could find: "Competitors are not allowed to cut, remove, displace, or engage in any type structure removal from private property (dry land) during off limits, official practice or competition. Moving structure to include sawing of logs or other obstructions in the water is only allowed if laws permit. No competitor may place any object that may impede or cause danger to boaters"
I’ve signed that form but not for a number of years. I don’t think it says you can’t jump dry ground. I know it’s been done before. Top 3 all did it in a event in 1993. I’m old.
@@jessecooper9795 I have to agree with you. I've read them three separate times and no specific rule. It's their for that reason and fish and wildlife stated that. I guess if it was at winter pool and was under water it wouldn't be a issue. Also you can't compare tearing out a damn to to access water to using a roller damn. I like G and respect him but if your going to quote a rule be prepared to produce it. Just an opinion.
@timmaloney5495 exactly. There is no clear cut definition of what rule Poche broke. It doesn't look good that BASS hasn't put out a statement yet. Same for G to get up and grandstand with a rule book and not show it. Eight months ago G was bashing BASS rules for Trey getting dq'd at Chesapeake. Now he's going against Poche. Seems like the opposite direction a fellow competitor should go. Heck, he wasn't even there
@@robertmorgan4015 Ike put his boat on the bank and wasn't disqualified? You really think nobody ever did that before? So you're saying it would be good if it was raining? Just how dry does it need to be? If that's a rule why don't they just spell it out? I call BS!
Your completely correct I have changed my opinion because of your video,kudos to you for changing a jerk like me but I see the trees now the Forrest isn't in the way
Very well put together and professional. Getting DQ’d is always a sore subject, because not only does it upset people, it costs people money. So feelings will always come out for both sides. At the end of the day you should always ask if it’s ok and safety is a big concern. Imagine if he didn’t make it and the boat hit and got stuck and someone got hurt?
Excellent video G! I'm a huge Keith Poche fan and a huge Gerald Swindle fan. I've been saying all along, all Keith has to do was to call Hank Weldon. If Hank gave the ok to jump into the WMA, then the monkey is on Hank's back, Keith would have been good to go. Problem with running in the the gray is sometimes you slip into the black. I raced stock cars for years, learned it the hard way.
I think you are definitely in a great position to make this video. In my opinion, as one of those that has not signed the dotted lines on the rules, I wish BASS would have come out and mentioned the “crossing dry land” portion you mentioned. I think the rule they say Keith violated, rule 15, was not a very good reason and Keith I think did a good job of refuting them on that. He never left his boat, and the water he went to was tournament waters. Regardless as you so said so well, when you live in that gray zone like Keith does, and I’m a fan of his, this is bound to happen. He could have asked.
BS G. His boat is as much a piece of equipment as Forward Facing Sonar or any rod or reel. I agree with everything you said but him jumping that spot. I remember you doing the same thing on a beaver dam but here you are.
Thanks for the breakdown and the info....you read all kinds of things...some said he jumped the dam some said he used the roller dam......can i ask would the roller dam have been legal move
In west Louisiana there’s the one where this happened at but most people don’t know is there’s another trolley an a roller system on the pearl river in southeast Louisiana that has been used before back in the 90’s and early 2000’s. Also a few more around south Louisiana that you can run high tide but you get in there and the water falls out and you can’t get out without them in a bigger boat or bass boat
14. PERMITTED FISHING LOCATIONS: Tournament waters shall be established by the Tournament Director for each tournament. Each competitor must obtain this information from the B.A.S.S. Tournament Department. Any water within these boundaries that are legally and obviously posted “Off-Limits” or “No Fishing,” as well as the live-bass-release area established by the Tournament Director, will be off-limits to tournament competitors and will be announced at the Tournament Briefing. Only that water open to all public fishing will be considered tournament waters. Waters deemed off-limits by authorities or tournament officials should be treated like a wall. No boats or casting behind that boundary while fishing. All angling must be done from the boat. In states where landowners have the legal authority to claim private property, these areas must be posted or they will be considered tournament waters unless instructed otherwise by tournament officials at any time during the event. If forced to leave, a competitor must report the incident to tournament officials as soon as possible. Any water to which a competitor is barred access becomes off-limits to all competitors. Prior to 8 a.m. local time the day before the tournament is scheduled to begin, any questionable areas must be brought to the attention of tournament officials to be considered tournament waters. Questionable areas will be off limits until a determination can be made with authorities and may be announced in the briefing or via text for all to know unless determined otherwise by tournament officials. Tournament officials reserve the right to restrict or enhance tournament waters based on conversations with local authorities. Competitors are not allowed to cut, remove, displace, or engage in any type structure removal from private property (dry land) during off limits, official practice or competition. Moving structure to include sawing of logs or other obstructions in the water is only allowed if laws permit. No competitor may place any object that may impede or cause danger to boaters. 15. COMPETITORS MUST REMAIN IN BOAT: During the competition days, competitors must not depart the boat to land fish or to make the boat more accessible to fishing waters. You are not allowed to use a winch, pulley, come along, cable, rope, or similar device/tools to gain access to tournament waters. Competitors may not shift a majority of their weight outside the boat and onto a dock or other object outside the boat for the purpose of landing a bass or accessing a fishing spot. A bass that cannot be landed without the angler leaving the boat or shifting his weight outside the boat must be released immediately. While keeping the majority of weight in the boat anglers are allowed for boat protection to push or shove off objects while landing a fish to be counted as legal. Competitors are allowed to leave the boat to retrieve a lure. All fishing by that competitor must cease until the competitor is back in the boat. Only then may another cast be made. Boats must remain in tournament waters during tournament days. Competitors must leave from and return to official checkpoints by boat. Anglers must remain in the boat at all times except in case of dire emergency or with permission from the Tournament Director. Exceptions are spelled out in rules 5, 15, and 18. In such an emergency or with permission from the Tournament Director, competitors may be removed from their boat to either a boat operated by other competitors or a rescue boat designated by the tournament director. Partners must remain together at all times, in sight of their catch, under the conditions cited above, in order for their catch of that day to be scored in the tournament with the following exception. In breakdown situations and with a tournament official’s permission, Co-anglers may transfer their boat’s (Pro’s and Co-angler’s) fish to another competitor’s boat and ride to check in, and they may leave their Pro with the disabled boat. In such cases, the co-angler must stay with their catches at all times and assisting boat’s partners should verify the catch. Any angler whose boat is disabled and rides with another competitor or rescue boat to weigh in is not allowed to fish. In the event of a needed restroom break or refueling situation at a marina gas pump, partners are allowed to leave the boat; however, in that event, all fishing must cease until partners are back together in the boat. If a competitor violates any of the above conditions (without contacting a tournament official by phone or other means or to report an emergency or breakdown), competitors must cease fishing at this point, and their catch must be verified by a tournament official in order to be counted in the tournament. If after the emergency situation is resolved by tournament officials and enough time is left for the competitor to resume fishing, a restart will be allowed, and the competitor will continue and their catch will be counted. This applies only to dire emergency situations as determined by the Tournament Director or his designee. Towing boats on trailers during tournament hours is prohibited, except by the direction of tournament officials.
Whether or not he broke the rule is dependent upon the interpretation of "Boat must remain IN tournament waters at all times...etc"...the truth is that Keith Poche did something that caused his tournament fate to be placed in the hands of a collective group of people that interpreted the rules as they saw fit. This is very interesting!
Another thing people do not realize is that his coangler exited the boat so he could jump the damn. Why? Because of safety so it is an unsafe act while in a tournament. That in itself is grounds for disqualification
I believe Keith stated he used the roller ramp system. He also stated he researched and there is no rules stated and he followed all laws. Anyone is allowed to use that ramp system. What’s John Cox boat have to do with anything. I just call it butt hurt!
I enjoy watching you. Still dreaming of the dad we share some Budweisers together over some plates or fried crappie and taters with sweet corn hush puppies . wish they was more like you and Poche in fishing . He pushed the limits and it backfired that’s part of it . Rules are rules .
Thanks for posting your opinion , I was waiting for someone to voice out on this issue , I was trying to look in to this , I just want to know more about the rule - what exactly happened and where , Thank you
The world seems to be slipping more and more into a deficit of honesty and ethics. I take heart when I see there are still stalwarts left. I'm pretty sure I could call you friend!
I wish u would have shown the rule. I still haven’t seen it. I don’t have that book. But in the danger perspective. I think as long as u are only putting yourself in danger I don’t see a problem. That should be up to u to determine what risk u want to take as long as you are the only one at risk. I’m sure poche feels like that wasn’t dangerous at all. He does it all the time. Anyway. Love ya GMan!
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Much respect to you Gerald !!! Your 💯 right, I saw you hook a bass outside the mouth and you throw the bass back… I live by this “Do the right thing when no one is looking.” Good luck 🍀 G-Man
If you saw it, someone must have been looking
Integrity isn't a part-time habit. You're either right or you're wrong. If you don't know, ask. Mistakes happen, but that never excludes you from the consequences of your actions. People don't want consequences for actions if they have excuses. You the man G!!!
“A strong leader accepts blame and gives the credit. A weak leader gives blame and accepts the credit.” John Wooden
People talk about integrity. The root of that word is ‘integer’ which means ‘whole’. So integrity is about being ‘whole’ in everything you do. That means following rules, expecting others to do the same AND knowing that you are setting an example for others to follow. Well out, Gerald!! Your integrity is heard…LOUD AND CLEAR!!!
I've always liked you G, but I gained a new level of respect for you today with this. Keep being the great role model G!
This is what it feels like preaching some Sundays... If it's in THE BOOK, it's the rules, whether you like it or not. Well said G.
He’s a hypocrite on this subject better do your research
@@The_Garmin_Guru Which he?
@@cummins4408 he had 13 minutes to show what's in the book and didn't
@The_Garmin_Guru couldn't agree more. Anything to get the G brand in front of more people. You've probably noticed, he don't do anything for anyone unless there's a camera involved
Thank you Gerald! Best video I have seen in awhile! You are 100% correct that you better read the rules! If not sure you better check! You represent BASS as a professional well!
You are a wonderful role model G and I thank you for that! My 12 year old son loves you and so do I! Your integrity is refreshing and God bless you for it!
This is the Best and clear and to the point video about following the rules that has ever been made, thanks G for taking the time to make it.
Made by a hypocrite on the subject
@@The_Garmin_Guru Disregard my other content. It’s clear you’re a hater.
@@cummins4408no just calling as it is. Look back 15 years ago when he could have killed two boaters by is ignorance.
And this why am one of your biggest fans cues you tell it how it is and you teach us how to be better anglers........THANK YOU
It's akin to when you give your word you stick to it. We all make mistakes but there's no excuse to blatantly and purposely break rules to give yourself an advantage. I read the opens rules quite a few time. Loving the shop talk stuff brother glad to see a longer video. Appreciate your time. See you and Lulu at Murray in May.
Great video. I'm a big Poche fan and watch all his videos, but rules are rules.
Wonderfully said G. If everyone would spend less time trying to bend the rules and more time working within the rules, we would all be in better shape. I admire your courage to speak the truth. Thank You
To me they meaning Bass , would hold the Gman you to a higher standard. Every one is watching you. And thank you for being you.
Awesome perspective. I lead a lot of folks in my day to day job. I always say that you have to understand the big picture and what you do you do to the team. What I mean is that your actions almost never effect just you.
Well said.
Agree with the rules or not, the rules are the rules. All anglers who fish the Tournament are responsible to follow them (agree with them or not).
Great perspective on the impact of changing the natural formation of lake beds etc.
This needs to be a PSA prior to the start of any tournament trail!!! Just rewatched since the original posting and still gleaned some information from the discussion.
Thanks Gerald, I appreciate your perspective and your right it’s the rules. Not required to like them just to abide by them.
Thank you for always having the backs of every bass fisherman by doing the right thing. You are definitely the comedy entertainer of bass fishing, and the voice that is always honest. You have my respect and I'm sure that of many many others. I know it will probably never happen but if you are ever in Oregon I would enjoy taking you fishing and spending the day with one of the great people of our sport.
Thank you again, Duane Mathis
He doesnt have their backs! Lol hes turning them in!
Thanks for there thoughts on the rules! I shared this quote with Trey when he got DQed. Life is a series of inconveniences. The measure of a man is how you respond to those inconveniences. ~ Herm Edwards~ Thank you GMan for being an example and speaking up when folks need to see the right side of the issue!
Always a great ambassador for the sport. That’s why I enjoy watching you plus the comedy.
The best response I’ve heard so far. Most guys are complaining about rules, well it’s not clear, or we need to change….. I’m great w anglers doing that privately w BASS or whatever their organization but putting the organization on blast and blaming them is just victimizing themselves. We all have rules we have to follow regardless of how we “feel” about them. Thanks for doing and saying the right thing even though it’s not pc at this moment. Real men have character and do what’s right whether someone is looking or not. It’s like golf, it’s up to the player to be honest and take the stroke bs someone else’s job to do it! We have to get back to doing what’s right no matter the cost to us personally! Appreciate your character brother!
Thanks for breaking it down that way Gman. Rules are Rules.
No different than any other profession, we all have rules of what we can and can not do. We all have signed our names on items. I sign off on high liability equipment everyday that I’m held personably responsible for like railroad crossings, signals and many other assets. Gotta know and follow the rules. Well said Gman.
They hate him because he doesn't need livescope or a traditional boat
Keith is the man!!!
I don’t think they hate him at all, I just think that the rules are the rules. I like the way Keith fishes and I like watching him do good, but anyone that breaks the rules deserves the punishment.
You are exactly right!! I been wondering which way I thought it shld have gone but you are right!! Tournament Director has the final say!! That just by itself don't need no explanation!! You owned your DQ & Trey owned his!! That folks is a leader!!!
Thank you for saying this!! And the whole “against the little man” statement! Keith knows what he doing, and he found a market for that specific phrase. Fact is 90% of viewers don’t own a 150k, fancy electronics, many are fishing from shore. Keith found a market for his brand and is promoting his brand to them. No one is against the little man here, the rules are the rules. If you don’t like, fish in a tournament with your rule standards. Good stuff GMan!!
Couldn’t have put this better. Well said man
Don’t nobody need my 2 cents, I like watching both of y’all fish so tight lines🎣
Gerald thanks for being a good person
Home work home work home work you did great explaining this
Gerald I respect you and your explanation of what's happening at the moment, I also love Keith's drive to take it to the level he takes it and I understand 💯. In the south when you see a 170 " buck on a small piece of land we will do whatever it takes to get on that piece of property! If it was left up to me all y'all would be jumping sand bars!!! All respect, no disrespect to anyone. May God bless all!
Stay true G, you da man as always...
Thanks G.. you actually changed my mind.i didnt think he violated the rules until you explained it to us. Rules are there for a reason
Do you think G is a hypocrite. You would if you did the research.
Notice at the end he says "somebody that motioned me on"
minimizing his GIANT DUMMY DICK MOVE. Yes, he's a hypocrite.
In the MLF BFL tourneys, the rule for Alabama rigs are 5 spinners, 5 lures, 3 hooks max or state rule applies if more restrictive. Alabama rig hook requirements vary from 1 to unlimited depending on the state, but the MLF rule takes priority. Therefore not leaving tournament water supersedes what the state may allow others to do. Anyone who has fished tournaments enough knows that. He broke the rules.
Side note - I am not claiming that I know what was in the mind of Keith Poche but here is a thought. Knowing that an angler suppose to approach the director with any questions about the rules, he may not have done so on purpose. He went to the governing authority over Toledo Bend knowing they would tell him its legal to jump that roller. No one would see him do it. Then if he won the tournament he would pass the lie detector test when ask if he did anything illegal. I'm probably reaching. Some say I am not.
BTW - TH-camr Cerebral Tackle makes a compelling case why Keith Poche broke the rules. Watch th-cam.com/video/1tWkSbGCv7s/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=CerebralTackle
G! First I wanna say, I look up to you, love what you do , love following you, and will always pull for you in every derby you fish. BUT I have to play devils advocate here. You touched on this and I’ll take it a step further, when you got a DQ at the classic, you honestly felt in your heart you didn’t do anything wrong. Hell I didn’t think you did anything against the rules. But an interpretation deemed you did. Keith is in the same boat. Now that may be comparing apples to oranges, but after reading the rules myself it was kind of grey for me as well as to watching what Keith did and determining if he broke the rules. Should he have called hank? Absolutely. But I don’t think for a minute that if Keith thought he was breaking rules, and would then get a DQ for that day that he would have done what he did. The same with you at the classic. I’m not saying he is right, and I’m not saying you are wrong by any means. All I’m saying is in the heat of the moment with everything at stake on the line that it would be easy to make a possible wrong decision. And it’s hard for me to stand on one side or the other without actually being there. Love what you do G, you and lulu keep up the awesome work y’all do.
Amen G-Man! You know G is right when nobody in the comments say anything negative.
Great job! As i sad before, you are the face of Bass.
Your straight up that’s what I like about you and your jokes on stage keep up the great job
I agree with you GMan.. the tournament rules supersede the State Law.. the tournament rules and the leaders of the tournament decide right and wrong..
I’m a truck driver by trade.. the DOT sets the rules we operate by.. but if my Company’s rules are more strict, and I violate them, it is within my company’s right to fire me for the offense.. and if they do, I agreed to be bound to the company rules when I hired on… same thing here..
GMAN, I appreciate your stance, but I'd like to clarify 2 things you have stated that's not true.
1. You stated that in the rule book it states you can not run over dry ground. I personally fished the Open on Toldeo, and I signed the "book " (technically, it was docu signed email). I just read it again, and it DOES NOT have that statement in the rules.
2. You stated that Keith did not use the roller system when, in actuality, he crossed right where the rollers are located, the rules do say he can't get out of the boat to drag his boat over the rollers so he just used horse power from the motor.
Here's the only issue I have with BASS on this ruling, their ruling was Keith left tournament waters while going over the rollers. Had they DQ'd him for safety (like your Classic DQ), then I could agree, but leaving tournament waters is just BS.
Good luck at Sabine.
God Bless and tight lines!
I agree with you that everyone should follow the rules. By saying what you did years ago when running by another angler is not in that rule book is not true. It’s under “Safety” and “Sportmanship”, which both mention the safety of all competitors. Nothing about running that close to another boat is safe. There are also boating laws against what you did and it doesn’t matter if he “motioned” you on. Practice what you preach G.
Well plane and simple if you are in doubt call the tournament director and just ask it will keep you in the game
Love you G. Keep on telling the truth. My Daddy always said use your common sense. I think no one knows what that is anymore.
I’ll be honest G, I’ve long been on the fence about supporting you because, even though I can relate to your story, since the classic DQ, I wondered about what your approach to fishing might be. Clearly, you’re a person of integrity and you want what’s right to prevail. I’m glad you put this message out; by doing so, you earned another supporter and fan.
He’s one of the most authentic in the game. Good choice 👍🏼
Excellent G ....you are the man!
I'm glad you brought up Randy and Gary. I'm to lazy to do the brush piles, etc. To many fish in easier areas to catch then to dig my way in.
I’m the same way with my job. First off I’m representing myself. I hold myself to a high standard. Secondly I’m representing my union. 3rd I’m representing upbringing to do what’s right and do a days work for a days pay. Too many keyboard warriors these days. I was taught unless I know all there is about a situation, keep my thoughts to myself. Thanks gman.
After going online and reading the rules. I will have to agree with G. I’m old, and I remember G getting DQ’d. I have seen others DQ’d. Hell, I DUI’d sitting in the passenger seat, and ask the officer why since I was in the passenger seat sleeping. He said this truck didn’t drive down into this ditch by itself, and I don’t see any tracks in the mud, your drunk, and your getting a DUI. It stood up in court. So I feel poche’s pain. But I got a DUI and he got DQ’d. Fair or not, it’s the judges ruling that counts. 😁👍👍
We got a real yapper over here …. Poche did nothing wrong , that body of water is connected to Toledo bend . I fish it all the time . If it was raining would it be considered “dry” ground ?
Beaver dam isnt dry or ground.
Hey G man I can’t wait tell y’all come to Texas to meet you and Mrs LuLu
I know nothing. But, I don't think he cheated. I think he broke the rules and received the punishment.
Gerald, we love your comments and you sir.
Gerald Swindle is the most honest and transparent ambassador for the sport of fishing.
Rules are Rules and if you want to compete is it what it is. It is a pretty sweet Gig Fishing for a living and like any Job you have to suck it up a little and roll with it but it’s paramount to always be your Genuine Honest Self and have a good time and do what you do. Semper Fidelis
Pretty clear video G. Rules are rules and there are grey areas but you better ask if you're not sure. Ron Nelson lives 10 miles from me but just suffered a similar fate. He had to dump his fish and start over for the day but the tournament director's interpretation is what it is.
I agree with you 100%. On a side note your Mountain Dew ghetto blaster in the background is pure pump status
Solid G. Again Integrity is everything. And you cant spell INTEGRITY without the G!
This our society today, many have liberal idea and think that’s OK , till the liberal idea hurts them. I’m with you rules are rules regardless of whether I understand. Look at what is going on in our government. RESPECT each other and the rules.
Professionalism and integrity.
I thought it was illegal as soon as I read the rules myself. I didn’t know because I hadn’t read the rules but once I did, I knew what Poche did was illegal according to the book.
Poche didn't brake any rules. It clearly said Tournament waters are Toledo Bend Reservoir and any creeks or canals connected to it. If you look up the map and outline of Toledo Bend the area he fished is very clearly within the boundaries of Toledo Bend. BASS was completely in the wrong to do what they did.
What does everyone not understand about crossing dry ground
Boats must remain in tournament waters during tournament days. Crossing dry land is leaving tournament water. It’s literally that simple.
@@GeraldGMANSwindle I understand dry ground but in my eyes and alot of others eyes yall cheat in some form come gman you know guys get info you're crazy if you dont think they do lol
@@Triple87 boats leave tournament water to use a lock. Literally the same thing. They should be specific that roller dams are not to be used
Bruh, he jumped the bank!
Well said GMan that was an excellent way to tell it. I definitely see what your saying and agree 💯 %
And I love that Mountain Dew Radio behind you thats awesome. Lol Would love to have one. 📻
Unless the hard copy of the rules are different than what is posted by Bassmaster on-line, here's the only statement in the Elite rules where the term "dry land" is used, that I could find:
"Competitors are not allowed to cut, remove,
displace, or engage in any type structure removal from private property (dry land) during off
limits, official practice or competition. Moving structure to include sawing of logs or other
obstructions in the water is only allowed if laws permit. No competitor may place any object that
may impede or cause danger to boaters"
Thank you sir !!!! Nothing but facts!
I’ve signed that form but not for a number of years. I don’t think it says you can’t jump dry ground. I know it’s been done before. Top 3 all did it in a event in 1993. I’m old.
It's been a week and nobody has produced the tangible rule. It's all "open to interpretation"
@@jessecooper9795 I have to agree with you. I've read them three separate times and no specific rule. It's their for that reason and fish and wildlife stated that. I guess if it was at winter pool and was under water it wouldn't be a issue. Also you can't compare tearing out a damn to to access water to using a roller damn. I like G and respect him but if your going to quote a rule be prepared to produce it. Just an opinion.
@timmaloney5495 exactly. There is no clear cut definition of what rule Poche broke. It doesn't look good that BASS hasn't put out a statement yet. Same for G to get up and grandstand with a rule book and not show it. Eight months ago G was bashing BASS rules for Trey getting dq'd at Chesapeake. Now he's going against Poche. Seems like the opposite direction a fellow competitor should go. Heck, he wasn't even there
The boat was literally on dry land. That is out of tournament waters. And yes it specifically says the boat must remain in tournament waters.
@@robertmorgan4015 Ike put his boat on the bank and wasn't disqualified? You really think nobody ever did that before? So you're saying it would be good if it was raining? Just how dry does it need to be? If that's a rule why don't they just spell it out? I call BS!
Your completely correct I have changed my opinion because of your video,kudos to you for changing a jerk like me but I see the trees now the Forrest isn't in the way
Very well put together and professional. Getting DQ’d is always a sore subject, because not only does it upset people, it costs people money. So feelings will always come out for both sides. At the end of the day you should always ask if it’s ok and safety is a big concern. Imagine if he didn’t make it and the boat hit and got stuck and someone got hurt?
Excellent video G! I'm a huge Keith Poche fan and a huge Gerald Swindle fan. I've been saying all along, all Keith has to do was to call Hank Weldon. If Hank gave the ok to jump into the WMA, then the monkey is on Hank's back, Keith would have been good to go. Problem with running in the the gray is sometimes you slip into the black. I raced stock cars for years, learned it the hard way.
YES, YES, and YES! Thank you.
Great explanation GMAN. Like Poche but got to stay out of that gray area. Best of LUCK at Sabine. PMA baby...
I think you are definitely in a great position to make this video. In my opinion, as one of those that has not signed the dotted lines on the rules, I wish BASS would have come out and mentioned the “crossing dry land” portion you mentioned. I think the rule they say Keith violated, rule 15, was not a very good reason and Keith I think did a good job of refuting them on that. He never left his boat, and the water he went to was tournament waters. Regardless as you so said so well, when you live in that gray zone like Keith does, and I’m a fan of his, this is bound to happen. He could have asked.
Amen Brother, Elite Anglers set the standard.
BS G. His boat is as much a piece of equipment as Forward Facing Sonar or any rod or reel. I agree with everything you said but him jumping that spot. I remember you doing the same thing on a beaver dam but here you are.
Thanks for the breakdown and the info....you read all kinds of things...some said he jumped the dam some said he used the roller dam......can i ask would the roller dam have been legal move
Is a bunch of sticks piled up in the creek really considered dry ground?
In west Louisiana there’s the one where this happened at but most people don’t know is there’s another trolley an a roller system on the pearl river in southeast Louisiana that has been used before back in the 90’s and early 2000’s. Also a few more around south Louisiana that you can run high tide but you get in there and the water falls out and you can’t get out without them in a bigger boat or bass boat
That was an eloquent, lucid and well-stated commentary. Must have been written by Lulu 😁.
14. PERMITTED FISHING LOCATIONS:
Tournament waters shall be established by the Tournament Director for each tournament. Each competitor must obtain this information from the B.A.S.S. Tournament Department. Any water within these boundaries that are legally and obviously posted “Off-Limits” or “No Fishing,” as well as the live-bass-release area established by the Tournament Director, will be off-limits to tournament competitors and will be announced at the Tournament Briefing. Only that water open to all public fishing will be considered tournament waters. Waters deemed off-limits by authorities or tournament officials should be treated like a wall. No boats or casting behind that boundary while fishing. All angling must be done from the boat. In states where landowners have the legal authority to claim private property, these areas must be posted or they will be considered tournament waters unless instructed otherwise by tournament officials at any time during the event. If forced to leave, a competitor must report the incident to tournament officials as soon as possible. Any water to which a competitor is barred access becomes off-limits to all competitors.
Prior to 8 a.m. local time the day before the tournament is scheduled to begin, any questionable areas must be brought to the attention of tournament officials to be considered tournament waters. Questionable areas will be off limits until a determination can be made with authorities and may be announced in the briefing or via text for all to know unless determined otherwise by tournament officials.
Tournament officials reserve the right to restrict or enhance tournament waters based on conversations with local authorities. Competitors are not allowed to cut, remove, displace, or engage in any type structure removal from private property (dry land) during off limits, official practice or competition. Moving structure to include sawing of logs or other obstructions in the water is only allowed if laws permit. No competitor may place any object that may impede or cause danger to boaters.
15. COMPETITORS MUST REMAIN IN BOAT:
During the competition days, competitors must not depart the boat to land fish or to make the boat more accessible to fishing waters. You are not allowed to use a winch, pulley, come along, cable, rope, or similar device/tools to gain access to tournament waters. Competitors may not shift a majority of their weight outside the boat and onto a dock or other object outside the boat for the purpose of landing a bass or accessing a fishing spot. A bass that cannot be landed without the angler leaving the boat or shifting his weight outside the boat must be released immediately. While keeping the majority of weight in the boat anglers are allowed for boat protection to push or shove off objects while landing a fish to be counted as legal. Competitors are allowed to leave the boat to retrieve a lure. All fishing by that competitor must cease until the competitor is back in the boat. Only then may another cast be made.
Boats must remain in tournament waters during tournament days. Competitors must leave from and return to official checkpoints by boat. Anglers must remain in the boat at all times except in case of dire emergency or with permission from the Tournament Director. Exceptions are spelled out in rules 5, 15, and 18. In such an emergency or with permission from the Tournament Director, competitors may be removed from their boat to either a boat operated by other competitors or a rescue boat designated by the tournament director. Partners must remain together at all times, in sight of their catch, under the conditions cited above, in order for their catch of that day to be scored in the tournament with the following exception. In breakdown situations and with a tournament official’s permission, Co-anglers may transfer their boat’s (Pro’s and Co-angler’s) fish to another competitor’s boat and ride to check in, and they may leave their Pro with the disabled boat. In such cases, the co-angler must stay with their catches at all times and assisting boat’s partners should verify the catch. Any angler whose boat is disabled and rides with another competitor or rescue boat to weigh in is not allowed to fish. In the event of a needed restroom break or refueling situation at a marina gas pump, partners are allowed to leave the boat; however, in that event, all fishing must cease until partners are back together in the boat. If a competitor violates any of the above conditions (without contacting a tournament official by phone or other means or to report an emergency or breakdown), competitors must cease fishing at this point, and their catch must be verified by a tournament official in order to be counted in the tournament. If after the emergency situation is resolved by tournament officials and enough time is left for the competitor to resume fishing, a restart will be allowed, and the competitor will continue and their catch will be counted. This applies only to dire emergency situations as determined by the Tournament Director or his designee. Towing boats on trailers during tournament hours is prohibited, except by the direction of tournament officials.
Then BASS needs to make their rules more clear and less grey. Poche didn't break any rules according to the Opens rule book.
Whether or not he broke the rule is dependent upon the interpretation of "Boat must remain IN tournament waters at all times...etc"...the truth is that Keith Poche did something that caused his tournament fate to be placed in the hands of a collective group of people that interpreted the rules as they saw fit. This is very interesting!
Dude, if you just listened to this video and you come here with this comment? You’re joking right?
There pretty clear
Nothing grey about it, rule states your boat cannot leave the water. Period.
@@kennywitek771 lol, he's one of those G is describing
Another thing people do not realize is that his coangler exited the boat so he could jump the damn. Why? Because of safety so it is an unsafe act while in a tournament. That in itself is grounds for disqualification
Rule is a rule . Maybe Kieth and others can use this in a positive way . Thanks G ! Tight lines !
Thank you G man! I totally agree with you.
Respect g man 🙏👍
Great video, your always a class act
Absolutely G thanks for the breakdown
I believe Keith stated he used the roller ramp system. He also stated he researched and there is no rules stated and he followed all laws. Anyone is allowed to use that ramp system. What’s John Cox boat have to do with anything. I just call it butt hurt!
Bc John cox doesn’t do dumb shit and still always catches em.
I enjoy watching you. Still dreaming of the dad we share some Budweisers together over some plates or fried crappie and taters with sweet corn hush puppies . wish they was more like you and Poche in fishing . He pushed the limits and it backfired that’s part of it . Rules are rules .
So Keith jump land and was dq, but gman did you say there was a roller system he could've used?
Lets be honest deliverance could of been filmed in some places on the Alabama river.
😂😂😂
Totally agree. Great video.
Thanks for posting your opinion , I was waiting for someone to voice out on this issue , I was trying to look in to this , I just want to know more about the rule - what exactly happened and where , Thank you
Keep it 💯 love you brother.
Love you G Man! We'll said. You're the Ikon😃
Great point of view! But the real question is when them new buzzers coming out G??
The world seems to be slipping more and more into a deficit of honesty and ethics. I take heart when I see there are still stalwarts left. I'm pretty sure I could call you friend!
I wish u would have shown the rule. I still haven’t seen it. I don’t have that book. But in the danger perspective. I think as long as u are only putting yourself in danger I don’t see a problem. That should be up to u to determine what risk u want to take as long as you are the only one at risk. I’m sure poche feels like that wasn’t dangerous at all. He does it all the time. Anyway. Love ya GMan!
Very Proud of your Beliefs GMan , you are the man!!!!
Well said G!
I stand corrected
You know I had a different opinion until this video but Gman is right keep on brother.
I like it. Gman, wrong is wrong, and right is right