Alexis Graziano rowans last name is falls sawyer last name is bottom barry’s last name is claude like in clawed and ignatius last name is also a pun on how he died but I forget his last name
@@alexisgraziano I’m imagining him introducing himself, meanwhile she thinks for a few seconds and then realizes-jake Evans doesn’t sound like anything. She finally met a guy who isn’t going to die some cartoonish death based on his name. Hallelujah! Then he gets murdered by her dad.
I thought it was interesting how each suitor was a rich and powerful businessman, and they all looked older than Melanie in the stretching room portraits, so here's how I would've done the story: Melanie didn't actually feel anything for any of the four suitors, but such a thing didn't matter to Henry, who saw his daughter as a business opportunity. For each suitor, he'd have Melanie marry him as part of a business deal, then once the marriage was consummated, he'd have the new husband killed under 'mysterious' circumstances so he could claim the company assets for himself, before having Melanie move on to the next one. The reason he'd be against her marrying Jake would be for two reasons. One, he was a working class civilian, and two, after the wedding ceremony, they'd leave Thunder Mesa, which to a control freak like Henry, would be unacceptable.
I'm not sure if I like how Phantom Manor was modified to be a little more like the Haunted Mansion because it takes away a bit of what helped Phantom Manor stand out from the rest in that it felt more like a Edger Allen Poe story rather then the more family friendly take that we have in the USA. Doesn't help that Melanie's role here now doesn't have the same importance and tragedy the original had. That being said things like the Vincent Price voice over is very welcomed. :)
It's still not the full Vincent Price narration though, it's kinda a hack-and-slashed version of it. For example, the line about a "disquieting metamophosis" that was designed for the art gallery part is now used for the stretching portraits section, which is weird considering he already recorded a line about the stretching portraits. We need to have the full 1992 Vincent Price narration back, I think.
I really want this haunted mansion the most. Ya, I know the haunted mansion is supposed to be sugar coated because it’s a classic attraction I know. But the whole point of a haunted house attraction is to scare people. So it should be able to
@@beamattheparks8981 fun fact: phantom manor is actully not intended to be scary acording to disney its still the same fun loving haunted mansion with a unique story. Thats why we still have grim grinning ghosts. Haunted mansion/Phantom manor is my favorite ride in history! :)
@@montaulkmanor2056 Hmmm… Pretty Interesting I never knew that. I always thought it was meant to scare guests more then the haunted mansion, thanks for letting me know.
I miss the old story. I liked the idea that the Phantom killed her husband and Melanie keeps getting older and older until you ultimately see that she has withered away to a skeleton. I also don’t like that in scenes like the ballroom and endless hallway that he is just standing there, non-threateningly. It was cooler in the ballroom when he was watching from the window. I do like a lot of the new effects though.
I still prefer the majority of the stuff from the original. I like some of the new lighting stuff and the new special effects but I still firmly believe the plot from the original was better.
Same. I liked the fact that 1) you were never quiet sure if the phantom is or is not the father of the bride till the end. Now, with the phantom being put in nearly every scene, it's either "So...the dad is basically a violent poltergeist...ain't that original" or (and this is a quote from a friend of my I absolutley adore) "Jesus Christ what a stalker. That's her dad? Shit, I'm getting some major incest vibes right now..." 2)you could basically see how Henry Ravenswood lost himself in his anger. This is mostly focused on the last animatronic, which shows him as a rotting corpse that (how Fastpass Facts correctly said themself:) "lost any kind of humanity he may have had before". Now, it's just the same Phantom animatronic you get spammed with through the entire whole ride. It's like a Hitchcock film: Sometimes a little bit less is a little bit better. 3) Melanies story was much more sadder. And I mean both; backstory AND her role in the manor. In the original backstory, we all know, Melanie fell in love with a train engineer called Jake. This caused Henry Ravenswood to lose himself in great anger, which later -when he became the phantom- turned into a weird sadistic form of humor, as if Ravenswood was trying to "punish" his daughter as if she was a child. Like...it's not like he _just kills_ the Miner in some cruel way -no, he hangs him quietly, which causes Melanie to search for her lover for all enternity. This (of course) also doesn't instantly kill her (like, dropping down some stairs in the dress), but turns her slowly into a shadow of herself, as she slowly descends into madness (like...she still sits in her dress as an old lady infront of a mirror foreshadowing her doom). She was basically a sad character, which you felt sympahty for, and while I don't know exactly if she "sacrifices her soul" per se, it was obvious she tried to somehow help the "visitors" to escape. This "I can't go, but I won't let him take you" is both extremly sweet and sad. Now, Melanies role is...eh. Can't describe it better as that; Eh. Like...instead of one lover (Jake) she now has 5. Okay like...alright. Nothing against people who have the ability to move on (really; I'm happy for you :-) ), but the fact that she didn't seem to age in the pictures made her persona feel more like one that...you know...not is directly "needy", but someone who...doesn't really care? Can you say it like that? I mean...yeah, she started to believe that she was cursed, but...why would she then plan to marry Jake? It just...feels all so unnatural...though this might only be me of course. Also...the end. Oh god. What did they do to the end?! If it would be the bride from the Haunted Mansion that would say in a (sarcastic tone) "Marry me?" followed by a dark laughter, I'd be like "Oh yeah, that fits!" (y'know, bcause she killed her husbands for their wealth), but Melanie? I mean...Melanie is supposed to be the one who died of a "broken-yet-faithful heart" and who searched for her fiancée all live long. ...so why the question "Would you marry me?" Like...why? There is no sense in this!
katziliaf This! All of this! These are exactly the problems I have with the new version! Melanie is no longer a sympathetic character. Instead it feels almost as if she somehow knew what her father was doing and willingly played a part in it. She went from victim to acomplice and her asking us to marry her in the end feels like we've become the next targets for a pair of serial killers. It went from being a tragic story of love and loss to something more like a cross between and episode of Supernatural and Criminal Minds. I'm all for updating special effects and animatronics (the ghost town and the foyer look amazing) but not at the expense of a great story.
Same. This version makes her dad look like an insane psycho and an even bigger bastard. No guy was good enough for his daughter so made sure she spent her life and afterlife alone. I also hate what they did to Melanie. Now instead of helping the rider find their way out of the manor the psychoticaly asks anyone and everyone if they will marry her. Sad.
I loved the original plot a lot more than this. Seeing the change the bride now it's like an accomplice of the Phantom because she knows that his father is the killer but she still asked the guest to marry her at the end instead of saving them :(
@@princesslily0105 Exactly! Like in the original it was just the one guy and as soon as Melanie realized what was happening she sacrificed herself to save us. Now there's multiple suitors who died in strange ways and there's no way she didn't figure it out at some point. And to make it worse the staging throughout the ride of always having the Phantom standing behind her in every scene makes me think of a proud father and his murderous daughter. They ruined a beautiful story with one of the most sympathetic characters in any Disney park!
There's lots to like (especially the return of the Vincent Price narration) but I feel like by adding the additional suitors, they were trying to make Melanie into a more sympathetic version of Constance when the story of the single suitor was more Melanie's own...but that's really my only issue.
True but in away Constance wanted the men for their money and dispatched them herself like a one trick pony. In Melanie's case, she was unaware of her suitor's true fates and was probably lead on to believe them as mere accidents by her overbearing father who did it.
I had a different sense in the story in comparison to everyone else. I do understand everyone’s point but Melanie definitely not like Constance and even with the extra suitors added, to me it made her story sound even more tragic. How I saw it was her first suitor actually wasn’t Jake it must of been one of the other four being shown in the portraits. Yet moving on from that, the manor itself was seeing some bad times as Henry built the manor on top of Boot Hill where many of the natives said that disturbing the mountain would cause a powerful spirit, The Thunderbird, to wreak havoc on whoever messed with said mountain. Yet Henry didn’t listen and proceeded ahead with the construction. As Melanie grew up into a beautiful young woman she met with four suitors who in all met there own grizzly fate. By taking in that information, to me Melanie already felt lonely and that her life would just be filled with loneliness to never find a lover ever again. After losing all those men, any woman would be depressed and would be searching for someone who could finally take her hand and leave the horrible memories of each suitor dying in unfortunate events. There comes Jake, the train engineer, who seemingly seemed liked the perfect man for her giving the circumstances that befell her. She fell in love and so did he wanting to take her away from there of course the father, Henry, wasn’t okay with it and tried his hardest to separate the two but it was for not as an earthquake hit taking Henry and his wife with it. And of course as the story goes, on the wedding day Jake was lured away and hung up in the attic in silence. Melanie frantically searching for her love to no avail waited for him while slowly being consumed by her fathers laughter and madness but still waiting for her lover to return back into her arms. I felt that the presence of the father being shown everywhere didn’t bother me at all it showed that no matter what, Melanie will forever be haunted by her overprotective father pushing everyone away from his beloved daughter to the point where he himself would be trying to put your neck around a noose as well. That’s how the story was depicted to me and nothing like Constance since she was a woman who just wanted inheritance and murdered all the men by cutting there head off. Melanie’s felt more tragic in my eyes, even with the extra suitors it felt like it was a desperate plea for love and that happy ending that she dreamed of but never got to cake since her father had taken that away from her.
I agree. after ravenswood killed the four suitors in the new story, Melanie was desperate for love. therefore in the afterlife she’s not a murderous demon, just a desperate soul🤔🤔
yes but no one understood it. if you didn't speak french its hard to understand, this way everyone can love it. plus she is still the same person, shes just driven by insanity.
@@j.j.q1379 That still does not justify her action's in the final scenes (Crypt, the mirror's). by vilifying her in those last moments (instead of guiding the riders to the exit like in the original), it confuses rider's by somehow matching her alignment with the phantom, questioning if she was supposed to be sympathetic in the first place. (i get that its supposed to be her father in this version... but it now reeks of Stockholm syndrome by a abusive parent rather than terrorized by a menace who may not be even human.) . Is she on his side? if so, why does she still look Miserable in the ballroom and boudoir scenes? Compare that to the original, where it was clear she was innocent and pure, having been forced to wait for a groom to never come and terrorized by a malicious entity(the fact that they confirmed and revealed the phantom's identity so early on in the portrait gallery before THE RIDERS EVEN DISEMBARK.... UGH) for the end of time. You cant have a cake and eat it too: With the ride being so short as it is, you need simplicity: As it is, it reeks of mood whiplash. Shame on every imaginer at DLP for ruining a beloved classic!
I've never been to Paris and have never been on this ride, but I was EXTREMELY disappointed to see Melanie reduced to Constance 2.0 at the end of the ride. Glad to see many others sharing the same sentiment. Hopefully one day they return her to the heroine she deserves to be. I do enjoy the new paintings, and, of course, Vincent Price's return
The stretching room portraits make more sense, but the fact Melanie was able to get over the death of each suitor in turn does take away some of the pathos. By the way, the new version of the story bears some resemblance to Tobit 3:8, with the Phantom taking on the role of Asmodeus. France is still a nominally Catholic country, so those who are biblically literate should recognize the similarities (and the differences).
I think it's not her getting over them, it's the fact her father was a controlling manipulator. Likely she'd have to be forced to be quiet and move along least she face his wrath instead.
@@crystalgemgirl731 the overprotective father thing is literally a trope. It’s Disney… they’re not trying to imply incest. Obviously any fan interpretation is a personal opinion but I’m getting really sick of people acting like that was meant to be canon.
@@phantomboba But THIS overprotective? The overprotective parent usually learns not to hold on too tight in the end and let's their children, well, live.
I have to admit, at first I hated how they changed the story of the Phantom Manor from one groom being murdered by Henry to four in a row,. But now, the more I think of it, the fact Henry came back to murder all of his soon to be sons-in-law, and that he is always shown with his daughter, constantly behind her back in a not very subtle way... It's like he wanted.... to.... Oh my God. Disney, You made this story even darker and disturbing than before.
When I was on phantom manor the ride broke down when my cart had got to the ballroom scene. At first, they covered it up by saying that the spirits were playing with the carts and the tour would resume shortly. But then all the lights came up and you could clearly see how all of the effects were done. We waited for about ten minutes until a cast member came out and told us we needed to evacuate the attraction. We had to walk through the rest of the manor and I was at the back of the queue with a cast member behind me and as we walked past things she pointed out all the hidden Mickeys to me. What amazed me though was that even though the rest of the ride had shut down the animatronics were working perfectly fine. It was honestly quite incredible just walking through the manor and seeing the detail you wouldn't have even noticed when the lights were off. But in the end, it was all fine because we got a fast pass and went back on it later and it didn't break down but it was weird looking at everything and just thinking "I know how they did that,".
As much as I like the new changing portraits, the new lighting and drooling Goliath, I wish that Melanie and the Phantom were back to their original versions.
Glad to hear they changed the ball room music back to the original score. I think that was the only major change that fans weren't happy with...including this one!
As a french visitor at DLP, we were sad for the refurbishement of this famous atraction. And after seeing this video, it's obvious that's well done and giving this manor a second life !
Yeah tragic hero Melanie was better than whatever the heck this is Melanie is she seems more like some type of insane bride that keeps looking for new suitors and whenever they die she just is like oh well I guess I’ll find someone new and then they’ll die and then the process will repeat forever and never like I care I wish and really hope that they’ll just change the storyline back to the original and keep all the cool special effects
agree! Who makes these decisions. A lot of the scenes are just to bright now. And the "glowing eyes / yellow leds" look beyond stupid. The new phantom in the ballroom looks like a dummy in a store window. He looked so creepy in that window.
yes!! it’s a year late but i completely agree, the bright colors of the loading queue and green faces look terrible! i think the gray clouds and darker tones made it all more believable, and i also hate the new storyline. it depicts melanie as a murderous girl when the original story was so much more tragic and well thought out
All of these new super advanced effects are awesome, but a great part of the manor's atmosphere was due to how run down and abandoned it looked, like it wasn't an attraction or part of the park at all. It felt real. Also, the less detailed and more mysterious storyline of the previous version was way better and more romantic and melancholic in my opinion. It just felt darker, scarier and way more realistic. I feel it was considerably more immersive, wich is completely ruined by having goddamn Mickey Mouse, or even Jack at the entrance the whole year. The new version just seems a lot less serious and more colorful and goofy ( no pun intended ). They very clearly "Haunted Mansion-ified" it, and I feel Phantom Manor was greatly superior to its american counterpart as it was prior to the refurbishment. I would certainly keep most of the new special effects and improvements, but I would also most definitely have kept the original story, tone, theming, lighting, atmosphere, etc... intact.
One thing I’d like to point out is I think the story took place in the 1890s rather than the 1860s based on the clothes the ghosts are wearing and some of their hair styles
I honestly preferred the original story. Also, this may be an unpopular opinion, but I actually prefer the way Phantom Canyon looked before. The hellish sunset and glowing cracks from the earthquake (if you notice, the cracks aren’t there anymore, or at least are no longer glowing, kinda hard to tell with the footage) made a really neat and frightening scene of a nightmarish, twisted alternate dimension of Thunder Mesa. Like it was an entirely different world. Now, with the exception of the mayor taking his head off, it pretty much looks like a generic wild west scene, and it just isn't as scary. :-/ Other than those two things, I'm good with the other changes.
I’m so sad they remodeled tower of terror ;-; like.. couldn’t they have made guardians of the galaxy as it’s own thing? Tower of terror gave me the best nostalgia for twilight zone
No :( I appreciate all the effects but it turns Melanie into a Constance like wedding obsessed madwoman instead of the bride who after all her sufferings sacrificed herself to save us foolish mortals. Le Phantom is good as an antagonist, but he's now the lead. Not Melanie. Also, Why is Leota not floating?
Tbh I think Leota looks better sitting on the table. She's the center of attention. The eye of the storm. Personally I feel that nothing was gained when they made her float in the American versions because she was made a floating object just like everything else in the room. Maybe they kept her on the table in Phantom Manor for that reason. Idk, but I like that she is sitting there.
I cried watching just now and realising they took out the sacrifice at the end. Kinda childhood ruining if I'm being honest.. Vincent is the comforting part tho.
Why they had to change in the first place? Well for the effects, I understand. They improved for good. Like Melanie standing at the window looking out. That’s really nice. But why changing the story? The story was fine. I liked it a lot.
I understand why people are upset they removed the “Zombie” Phantom at the end. I miss him too but I never understood why he was at the end and not in the beginning. Because Phantom Manor is all about timing, at the start of the attraction you see Melanie as a young woman and going through the ride you see her become a old woman and soon a ghost! But if the ride is about time why do we see a skeleton Phantom first and a decaying corpse later. If this was real we would see the rotting corpse first then the skeleton later when all his flesh is gone. If it were up to me I think when we see the phantom in the endless hallway he should look more human/cadaver like like Henry Ravenswood. In the ballroom his flesh begins to rot and in the graveyard his skin is very rotted like the finale scene. And in the final western scene is the time we should see the Phantom’s full skeleton form.
The reason is because throughout the ride we are seeing his Ghost, the phantom. Hes not Really there. Until finally at the end we see him standing in his own coffin, we Finally truly see the phantom in all his dessicated glory and cackling at the madness around him in this hellish nightmare he has created for melanie as we try to escape
I like the new story but I do think they should have stuck with the original ending. I prefer her sacrificing herself to her going insane in the manor.
Like some of the changes, some of the others are a bit iffy. I'm a bit sad that I'll never get to see the original. I was supposed to see it last year, but it closed right around the time I'd planned my trip (Which had been planned before the referb was announced).
The orginal seems better in many ways i especially like the end where she would sacrafice her self to set us free not ask us to marry her what the hell? Its not a horrible referbishment but not a good as the original
MARTHAAAAA!!! Also I never understood the decaying phantom, like was he regaining life through melanie’s suffering? Idk it was never explained and it always irked me. And on another quick note, the Flying Dutchman painting appears to be the same one from the pirates movies, if you look closely at the hull and body of the ship. Idk, seems like it to me. ANOTHER quick note, the scene around the pianist isn’t actually a wedding theme, it’s a funeral for all 4 of the men at the same time, which continues the theme of the Phantom mocking Melanie
Fun fact! The version of the "Flying Dutchman" painting in the phantom manor is actually a nod to Pirates of the Caribbean. Despite the fact that the painting in general resembles its origional design, the "Flying Dutchman" ship in the painting is based on the ship of the same name from the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise.
OUTSTANDING Job!!! Thank you so so so so much for all the time you put into this video. It really shows!! 😊 Love the Phantom Manor and the new changes! Very well done!!
Scar did murder his brother and plotted to kill his nephew and framed his nephew with his brother's death just to be king; that does kinda ring pure evil
If Disney ever make another Haunted Mansion movie once again then they should take inspirations for from Phantom Manor. Both old and new version of the story can be used. LOVE PHANTOM MANOR! ❤❤
Just went to Disneyland Paris for the first time this January (2019). Phantom Manor was on the top of my must-sees but we knew it was going to be closed. :,( I was so devastated as I may never get to go back to that park. Glad this video at least shows what we would have seen.
If they had kept the original finale with the new refurbishment I would be happier with it, I like it so much better! And if they simply upgraded the second Phantom's movements I would have liked that more too
My gosh I love this video so much. now I know more about the phantom manor. This video is so awesome I like the new look for the phantom manor. And at 9:29 ha lol 😆
Great video! 3 things worth mentioning are that the initial portrait has for hearts carved into the tree (backstory) as well as the noose (foreshadowing). The knight/cowboy also has a herd of ghostly cattle in it (perhaps a nod to "Ghost Riders in the Sky"). Finally, and I'm not sure about this one, but it looks like the cheating Duelist is Henry himself.
Thank you for uploading this! I hope that you can also do the history and changes of the singing busts in both Haunted Mansion and Phantom Manor since I want to suggest the same thing just like Jacob Jennings suggested!
Awesome video, I've never really heard much about Phantom Manor before now. I am a bit sad that they changed the Phantom at the end, he looks way creepier before. Also, very confused about why all of the peoples' faces in Phantom Canyon are green now.
The first corridor with doors scene was way better! It was used to be creepy, but now it just sounds funny. I also think the removed the bride scene for the same reason. Just to make it less creepy.
As much as I love Phantom Manor, I'm not a fan of the new story, the original was more tragic and sad as she spent her days looking for her groom and ends up saving us from the Phantom and you never REALLLYYY knew who the Phantom was, now it's out right The Phantom is her dad and he now chases her around taunting her till you see in the mirror that she's finally broken and gone mad and is now just asking the first person she sees (the rider) to marry them
The mirror change from the skull to the Phantom's face is the only change I really don't like. I thought the giant Death's Head was so individual and terrifying, and it was an image that really stuck to me as a child. I remember being supremely creeped out by it.
I love the format and production quality of your videos! Doesn’t drag like some others, and isn’t hyper active jumping from one subject to the next. Keep up the great work!
The ride looks incredible but the the regularity of the Phantom's presence behind Melanie is really hamfisted. 1 - It's wayyy too often and doesn't convey new information each time he pops up. Which is lazy. 2 - I'm sorry to go there but it screams bad touch. It may be for my personal reasons but never leaving her alone isn't over protective dad. It borders on all the wrong creepy. Fine if that's what they secretly were going for but based on what I seen it's short sightedness on the imagineer part.
I completely understand people's qualms with the story change. However, I think it was an okay idea to sort of make the Phantom Manor more unified with the other mansions' plot (Constance). Disney tries to keep things similar so that you get similar experiences regardless of the park you go to, and they achieved that with this story alteration. The only reason why Mystic Manor gets to be so different is because of culture, but Disneyland Paris doesn't have that obstacle. So making it similar in story to the other parks is fine, I think. It's still unique enough for Paris to call it their own mansion.
When they say the tomb is opened from the inside (of the tomb) he’s actually incorrect as if you look closely at the lines of claudes tomb the cracks indicate that the tomb was opened from the outside. If it was from the inside the cracks would be different and the rubble still attached to the tomb would be more forward then inward
honestly, i really like the new load area bc it sets up more of the backstory of the manor, but i really dislike the rest of the changes. having the phantom looming over melanie at every turn feels a little cheap.
This is interesting, because people need to carefully observe the comparisons between the retro and current versions of Phantom Manor located in Disneyland Paris. This spooky attraction appears in FrontierLand. No 1️⃣ will be able to miss it.
At 4:38 before that animatronic used to be creepy and now on 4:44 the phantom is much better and I can see him better not from torn and rip and for my opinion some people grew up with the ones in the torn outfit and now this is the modern days of the costume of it make sense?
I am so attached to the original. It loses its Victorian gothic influence and seems a little kitschier now. I’m biased because I was obsessed with this ride in middle school because I loved Victorian Gothic literature 🥺 it’s an oh well for me. I miss the old storm effect and the old phantom-adding fluidity to his movements and lighting him better takes away the mystery. But the lack of the pointing bride hurts. It’s one of the most visceral and surreal things ever in a Disney Park. If I had to be traumatized by it as a child, so do u :’)
At 3:21 for my opinion fast pass facts this is the best waiting line area for my opinion for any Disney parks around the world. And I wish that they had this in the sweaters you know in Florida.
Apart from 2 or 3 effects, everything was better in the original version. Plot, lightnings and general aesthetics. Now it's too bright, too colorful, and paintings are a bit too "modern". Less haunting, less frightening, less romantic, less timeless. The world is more and more in the "pop culture" and less and less in the classic aesthetics. This evolution in Phantom/Manor just follows the trend, and Disneyland Paris in general looked way "classier" in the 90s and 2000s than now (O'poor "New York hotel", now being an ugly "Marvel" Tower).
The suitor's names being puns on how they died has me rolling .
That's pure HM tho.
Rowan rows to doom
Ignatius ignited
Sawyer is sawed
Barry gets mauled by a bear
Jake Evans..... yeah.. not a pun....
Alexis Graziano rowans last name is falls sawyer last name is bottom barry’s last name is claude like in clawed and ignatius last name is also a pun on how he died but I forget his last name
@@larsthememelord3383 His nickname is Iggy Night. “Ignite”.
@@alexisgraziano should’ve called him Hank Mann
@@alexisgraziano I’m imagining him introducing himself, meanwhile she thinks for a few seconds and then realizes-jake Evans doesn’t sound like anything. She finally met a guy who isn’t going to die some cartoonish death based on his name. Hallelujah!
Then he gets murdered by her dad.
I thought it was interesting how each suitor was a rich and powerful businessman, and they all looked older than Melanie in the stretching room portraits, so here's how I would've done the story: Melanie didn't actually feel anything for any of the four suitors, but such a thing didn't matter to Henry, who saw his daughter as a business opportunity. For each suitor, he'd have Melanie marry him as part of a business deal, then once the marriage was consummated, he'd have the new husband killed under 'mysterious' circumstances so he could claim the company assets for himself, before having Melanie move on to the next one. The reason he'd be against her marrying Jake would be for two reasons. One, he was a working class civilian, and two, after the wedding ceremony, they'd leave Thunder Mesa, which to a control freak like Henry, would be unacceptable.
I'm not sure if I like how Phantom Manor was modified to be a little more like the Haunted Mansion because it takes away a bit of what helped Phantom Manor stand out from the rest in that it felt more like a Edger Allen Poe story rather then the more family friendly take that we have in the USA. Doesn't help that Melanie's role here now doesn't have the same importance and tragedy the original had. That being said things like the Vincent Price voice over is very welcomed. :)
It's still not the full Vincent Price narration though, it's kinda a hack-and-slashed version of it. For example, the line about a "disquieting metamophosis" that was designed for the art gallery part is now used for the stretching portraits section, which is weird considering he already recorded a line about the stretching portraits.
We need to have the full 1992 Vincent Price narration back, I think.
phantom manor is still family friendly though
I really want this haunted mansion the most. Ya, I know the haunted mansion is supposed to be sugar coated because it’s a classic attraction I know. But the whole point of a haunted house attraction is to scare people. So it should be able to
@@beamattheparks8981 fun fact: phantom manor is actully not intended to be scary acording to disney its still the same fun loving haunted mansion with a unique story. Thats why we still have grim grinning ghosts. Haunted mansion/Phantom manor is my favorite ride in history! :)
@@montaulkmanor2056 Hmmm… Pretty Interesting I never knew that. I always thought it was meant to scare guests more then the haunted mansion, thanks for letting me know.
I miss the old story. I liked the idea that the Phantom killed her husband and Melanie keeps getting older and older until you ultimately see that she has withered away to a skeleton. I also don’t like that in scenes like the ballroom and endless hallway that he is just standing there, non-threateningly. It was cooler in the ballroom when he was watching from the window.
I do like a lot of the new effects though.
I still prefer the majority of the stuff from the original. I like some of the new lighting stuff and the new special effects but I still firmly believe the plot from the original was better.
Same.
I liked the fact that
1) you were never quiet sure if the phantom is or is not the father of the bride till the end.
Now, with the phantom being put in nearly every scene, it's either "So...the dad is basically a violent poltergeist...ain't that original" or (and this is a quote from a friend of my I absolutley adore) "Jesus Christ what a stalker. That's her dad? Shit, I'm getting some major incest vibes right now..."
2)you could basically see how Henry Ravenswood lost himself in his anger.
This is mostly focused on the last animatronic, which shows him as a rotting corpse that (how Fastpass Facts correctly said themself:) "lost any kind of humanity he may have had before".
Now, it's just the same Phantom animatronic you get spammed with through the entire whole ride.
It's like a Hitchcock film: Sometimes a little bit less is a little bit better.
3) Melanies story was much more sadder.
And I mean both; backstory AND her role in the manor.
In the original backstory, we all know, Melanie fell in love with a train engineer called Jake.
This caused Henry Ravenswood to lose himself in great anger, which later -when he became the phantom- turned into a weird sadistic form of humor, as if Ravenswood was trying to "punish" his daughter as if she was a child.
Like...it's not like he _just kills_ the Miner in some cruel way -no, he hangs him quietly, which causes Melanie to search for her lover for all enternity.
This (of course) also doesn't instantly kill her (like, dropping down some stairs in the dress), but turns her slowly into a shadow of herself, as she slowly descends into madness (like...she still sits in her dress as an old lady infront of a mirror foreshadowing her doom).
She was basically a sad character, which you felt sympahty for, and while I don't know exactly if she "sacrifices her soul" per se, it was obvious she tried to somehow help the "visitors" to escape. This "I can't go, but I won't let him take you" is both extremly sweet and sad.
Now, Melanies role is...eh.
Can't describe it better as that; Eh.
Like...instead of one lover (Jake) she now has 5.
Okay like...alright. Nothing against people who have the ability to move on (really; I'm happy for you :-) ), but the fact that she didn't seem to age in the pictures made her persona feel more like one that...you know...not is directly "needy", but someone who...doesn't really care? Can you say it like that?
I mean...yeah, she started to believe that she was cursed, but...why would she then plan to marry Jake?
It just...feels all so unnatural...though this might only be me of course.
Also...the end.
Oh god. What did they do to the end?!
If it would be the bride from the Haunted Mansion that would say in a (sarcastic tone) "Marry me?" followed by a dark laughter, I'd be like "Oh yeah, that fits!" (y'know, bcause she killed her husbands for their wealth), but Melanie?
I mean...Melanie is supposed to be the one who died of a "broken-yet-faithful heart" and who searched for her fiancée all live long.
...so why the question "Would you marry me?"
Like...why?
There is no sense in this!
katziliaf This! All of this! These are exactly the problems I have with the new version! Melanie is no longer a sympathetic character. Instead it feels almost as if she somehow knew what her father was doing and willingly played a part in it. She went from victim to acomplice and her asking us to marry her in the end feels like we've become the next targets for a pair of serial killers. It went from being a tragic story of love and loss to something more like a cross between and episode of Supernatural and Criminal Minds. I'm all for updating special effects and animatronics (the ghost town and the foyer look amazing) but not at the expense of a great story.
Same. This version makes her dad look like an insane psycho and an even bigger bastard. No guy was good enough for his daughter so made sure she spent her life and afterlife alone.
I also hate what they did to Melanie. Now instead of helping the rider find their way out of the manor the psychoticaly asks anyone and everyone if they will marry her. Sad.
I loved the original plot a lot more than this. Seeing the change the bride now it's like an accomplice of the Phantom because she knows that his father is the killer but she still asked the guest to marry her at the end instead of saving them :(
@@princesslily0105 Exactly! Like in the original it was just the one guy and as soon as Melanie realized what was happening she sacrificed herself to save us. Now there's multiple suitors who died in strange ways and there's no way she didn't figure it out at some point. And to make it worse the staging throughout the ride of always having the Phantom standing behind her in every scene makes me think of a proud father and his murderous daughter. They ruined a beautiful story with one of the most sympathetic characters in any Disney park!
There's lots to like (especially the return of the Vincent Price narration) but I feel like by adding the additional suitors, they were trying to make Melanie into a more sympathetic version of Constance when the story of the single suitor was more Melanie's own...but that's really my only issue.
True but in away Constance wanted the men for their money and dispatched them herself like a one trick pony. In Melanie's case, she was unaware of her suitor's true fates and was probably lead on to believe them as mere accidents by her overbearing father who did it.
I had a different sense in the story in comparison to everyone else. I do understand everyone’s point but Melanie definitely not like Constance and even with the extra suitors added, to me it made her story sound even more tragic. How I saw it was her first suitor actually wasn’t Jake it must of been one of the other four being shown in the portraits. Yet moving on from that, the manor itself was seeing some bad times as Henry built the manor on top of Boot Hill where many of the natives said that disturbing the mountain would cause a powerful spirit, The Thunderbird, to wreak havoc on whoever messed with said mountain. Yet Henry didn’t listen and proceeded ahead with the construction. As Melanie grew up into a beautiful young woman she met with four suitors who in all met there own grizzly fate. By taking in that information, to me Melanie already felt lonely and that her life would just be filled with loneliness to never find a lover ever again. After losing all those men, any woman would be depressed and would be searching for someone who could finally take her hand and leave the horrible memories of each suitor dying in unfortunate events. There comes Jake, the train engineer, who seemingly seemed liked the perfect man for her giving the circumstances that befell her. She fell in love and so did he wanting to take her away from there of course the father, Henry, wasn’t okay with it and tried his hardest to separate the two but it was for not as an earthquake hit taking Henry and his wife with it. And of course as the story goes, on the wedding day Jake was lured away and hung up in the attic in silence. Melanie frantically searching for her love to no avail waited for him while slowly being consumed by her fathers laughter and madness but still waiting for her lover to return back into her arms. I felt that the presence of the father being shown everywhere didn’t bother me at all it showed that no matter what, Melanie will forever be haunted by her overprotective father pushing everyone away from his beloved daughter to the point where he himself would be trying to put your neck around a noose as well.
That’s how the story was depicted to me and nothing like Constance since she was a woman who just wanted inheritance and murdered all the men by cutting there head off. Melanie’s felt more tragic in my eyes, even with the extra suitors it felt like it was a desperate plea for love and that happy ending that she dreamed of but never got to cake since her father had taken that away from her.
Must've or must have, not "must of." And "their* own grizzly fate." And "cutting *their* head off."
I honestly liked the original story. Where she was a Tragic hero willing to help anyone, rather than a murderous demon.
I don't think Melanie is murderous. She's just gone insane.
I agree. after ravenswood killed the four suitors in the new story, Melanie was desperate for love. therefore in the afterlife she’s not a murderous demon, just a desperate soul🤔🤔
yes but no one understood it. if you didn't speak french its hard to understand, this way everyone can love it. plus she is still the same person, shes just driven by insanity.
I'm actually with you on that one. I wish they had kept that part of the same.
@@j.j.q1379 That still does not justify her action's in the final scenes (Crypt, the mirror's). by vilifying her in those last moments (instead of guiding the riders to the exit like in the original), it confuses rider's by somehow matching her alignment with the phantom, questioning if she was supposed to be sympathetic in the first place. (i get that its supposed to be her father in this version... but it now reeks of Stockholm syndrome by a abusive parent rather than terrorized by a menace who may not be even human.) . Is she on his side? if so, why does she still look Miserable in the ballroom and boudoir scenes? Compare that to the original, where it was clear she was innocent and pure, having been forced to wait for a groom to never come and terrorized by a malicious entity(the fact that they confirmed and revealed the phantom's identity so early on in the portrait gallery before THE RIDERS EVEN DISEMBARK.... UGH) for the end of time. You cant have a cake and eat it too: With the ride being so short as it is, you need simplicity: As it is, it reeks of mood whiplash.
Shame on every imaginer at DLP for ruining a beloved classic!
I've never been to Paris and have never been on this ride, but I was EXTREMELY disappointed to see Melanie reduced to Constance 2.0 at the end of the ride. Glad to see many others sharing the same sentiment. Hopefully one day they return her to the heroine she deserves to be.
I do enjoy the new paintings, and, of course, Vincent Price's return
The stretching room portraits make more sense, but the fact Melanie was able to get over the death of each suitor in turn does take away some of the pathos.
By the way, the new version of the story bears some resemblance to Tobit 3:8, with the Phantom taking on the role of Asmodeus. France is still a nominally Catholic country, so those who are biblically literate should recognize the similarities (and the differences).
I think it's not her getting over them, it's the fact her father was a controlling manipulator. Likely she'd have to be forced to be quiet and move along least she face his wrath instead.
It also brings to mind the story of Many Furs... It's possible that Henry loved his daughter more than a father should...
@@crystalgemgirl731 the overprotective father thing is literally a trope. It’s Disney… they’re not trying to imply incest. Obviously any fan interpretation is a personal opinion but I’m getting really sick of people acting like that was meant to be canon.
@@phantomboba But THIS overprotective? The overprotective parent usually learns not to hold on too tight in the end and let's their children, well, live.
@@crystalgemgirl731 he’s a fictional character, so his personality is exaggerated. That’s how I see it.
I have to admit, at first I hated how they changed the story of the Phantom Manor from one groom being murdered by Henry to four in a row,. But now, the more I think of it, the fact Henry came back to murder all of his soon to be sons-in-law, and that he is always shown with his daughter, constantly behind her back in a not very subtle way... It's like he wanted.... to.... Oh my God. Disney, You made this story even darker and disturbing than before.
friendly reminder that it is literally a Disney ride
When I was on phantom manor the ride broke down when my cart had got to the ballroom scene. At first, they covered it up by saying that the spirits were playing with the carts and the tour would resume shortly. But then all the lights came up and you could clearly see how all of the effects were done. We waited for about ten minutes until a cast member came out and told us we needed to evacuate the attraction. We had to walk through the rest of the manor and I was at the back of the queue with a cast member behind me and as we walked past things she pointed out all the hidden Mickeys to me. What amazed me though was that even though the rest of the ride had shut down the animatronics were working perfectly fine. It was honestly quite incredible just walking through the manor and seeing the detail you wouldn't have even noticed when the lights were off. But in the end, it was all fine because we got a fast pass and went back on it later and it didn't break down but it was weird looking at everything and just thinking "I know how they did that,".
As much as I like the new changing portraits, the new lighting and drooling Goliath, I wish that Melanie and the Phantom were back to their original versions.
Fun Fact: The Animatronic Of The Mayor Of Phantom Canyon Is Recycled From The Animatronic Of None Other Than Dreamfinder From Journey Into Imagination
what do you mean? the dreamfinder was never that limited of movement
I Don’t Mean The Animatronic Itself, I Mean His Face Mold Specifically
@@jaketaller8567 true dat
@tinylilmatt *cough*
Lol, I was waiting for the narrator to mention it
Glad to hear they changed the ball room music back to the original score. I think that was the only major change that fans weren't happy with...including this one!
As a french visitor at DLP, we were sad for the refurbishement of this famous atraction. And after seeing this video, it's obvious that's well done and giving this manor a second life !
Tbh, I'm mad they changed the story. Like the whole point was Melanie was in love with one guy and now they just made her look desperate tbh.
Yeah tragic hero Melanie was better than whatever the heck this is Melanie is she seems more like some type of insane bride that keeps looking for new suitors and whenever they die she just is like oh well I guess I’ll find someone new and then they’ll die and then the process will repeat forever and never like I care I wish and really hope that they’ll just change the storyline back to the original and keep all the cool special effects
As a long time phantom manor fan and cast member, i have to say that i prefer the older one
agree! Who makes these decisions. A lot of the scenes are just to bright now. And the "glowing eyes / yellow leds" look beyond stupid. The new phantom in the ballroom looks like a dummy in a store window. He looked so creepy in that window.
I also hate the btm scene, they ruined everything with the green faces
yes!! it’s a year late but i completely agree, the bright colors of the loading queue and green faces look terrible! i think the gray clouds and darker tones made it all more believable, and i also hate the new storyline. it depicts melanie as a murderous girl when the original story was so much more tragic and well thought out
I like both versions equally.
All of these new super advanced effects are awesome, but a great part of the manor's atmosphere was due to how run down and abandoned it looked, like it wasn't an attraction or part of the park at all. It felt real. Also, the less detailed and more mysterious storyline of the previous version was way better and more romantic and melancholic in my opinion. It just felt darker, scarier and way more realistic. I feel it was considerably more immersive, wich is completely ruined by having goddamn Mickey Mouse, or even Jack at the entrance the whole year. The new version just seems a lot less serious and more colorful and goofy ( no pun intended ). They very clearly "Haunted Mansion-ified" it, and I feel Phantom Manor was greatly superior to its american counterpart as it was prior to the refurbishment. I would certainly keep most of the new special effects and improvements, but I would also most definitely have kept the original story, tone, theming, lighting, atmosphere, etc... intact.
One thing I’d like to point out is I think the story took place in the 1890s rather than the 1860s based on the clothes the ghosts are wearing and some of their hair styles
I honestly preferred the original story. Also, this may be an unpopular opinion, but I actually prefer the way Phantom Canyon looked before. The hellish sunset and glowing cracks from the earthquake (if you notice, the cracks aren’t there anymore, or at least are no longer glowing, kinda hard to tell with the footage) made a really neat and frightening scene of a nightmarish, twisted alternate dimension of Thunder Mesa. Like it was an entirely different world. Now, with the exception of the mayor taking his head off, it pretty much looks like a generic wild west scene, and it just isn't as scary. :-/ Other than those two things, I'm good with the other changes.
This video is really the best and maybe next time you can do a video on tower of terror or guardians of the galaxy
I’m so sad they remodeled tower of terror ;-; like.. couldn’t they have made guardians of the galaxy as it’s own thing? Tower of terror gave me the best nostalgia for twilight zone
@@Questionablexfun Same. It looks better as a hotel with ghost instead of a Guardian of the galaxy ride. It didn't even fit in on the outside. 😐
No :( I appreciate all the effects but it turns Melanie into a Constance like wedding obsessed madwoman instead of the bride who after all her sufferings sacrificed herself to save us foolish mortals.
Le Phantom is good as an antagonist, but he's now the lead. Not Melanie.
Also, Why is Leota not floating?
Tbh I think Leota looks better sitting on the table. She's the center of attention. The eye of the storm. Personally I feel that nothing was gained when they made her float in the American versions because she was made a floating object just like everything else in the room. Maybe they kept her on the table in Phantom Manor for that reason. Idk, but I like that she is sitting there.
melanie is not acting like constance,melanie has gone coco for cocopufs,crazy.
I cried watching just now and realising they took out the sacrifice at the end. Kinda childhood ruining if I'm being honest.. Vincent is the comforting part tho.
Why they had to change in the first place? Well for the effects, I understand. They improved for good. Like Melanie standing at the window looking out. That’s really nice. But why changing the story? The story was fine. I liked it a lot.
I understand why people are upset they removed the “Zombie” Phantom at the end. I miss him too but I never understood why he was at the end and not in the beginning. Because Phantom Manor is all about timing, at the start of the attraction you see Melanie as a young woman and going through the ride you see her become a old woman and soon a ghost! But if the ride is about time why do we see a skeleton Phantom first and a decaying corpse later. If this was real we would see the rotting corpse first then the skeleton later when all his flesh is gone. If it were up to me I think when we see the phantom in the endless hallway he should look more human/cadaver like like Henry Ravenswood. In the ballroom his flesh begins to rot and in the graveyard his skin is very rotted like the finale scene. And in the final western scene is the time we should see the Phantom’s full skeleton form.
I think its to imply the phantom was Henry Ravenswood because why else would he be just a rotting corpse?
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The reason is because throughout the ride we are seeing his Ghost, the phantom. Hes not Really there.
Until finally at the end we see him standing in his own coffin, we Finally truly see the phantom in all his dessicated glory and cackling at the madness around him in this hellish nightmare he has created for melanie as we try to escape
I see it as The well dressed seleton is the ghost, the rotting corpse is henry's physically rotting body
I like the new story but I do think they should have stuck with the original ending. I prefer her sacrificing herself to her going insane in the manor.
Like some of the changes, some of the others are a bit iffy. I'm a bit sad that I'll never get to see the original. I was supposed to see it last year, but it closed right around the time I'd planned my trip (Which had been planned before the referb was announced).
Also the lighting in the ballroom was changed from a greenish Moonlight to a blue moonlight that has more coverage across the room.
The orginal seems better in many ways i especially like the end where she would sacrafice her self to set us free not ask us to marry her what the hell? Its not a horrible referbishment but not a good as the original
MARTHAAAAA!!!
Also I never understood the decaying phantom, like was he regaining life through melanie’s suffering? Idk it was never explained and it always irked me. And on another quick note, the Flying Dutchman painting appears to be the same one from the pirates movies, if you look closely at the hull and body of the ship. Idk, seems like it to me. ANOTHER quick note, the scene around the pianist isn’t actually a wedding theme, it’s a funeral for all 4 of the men at the same time, which continues the theme of the Phantom mocking Melanie
I like the part where melon sacrafices herself better then when she appears next to you. But thats just my opinion
Fun fact!
The version of the "Flying Dutchman" painting in the phantom manor is actually a nod to Pirates of the Caribbean.
Despite the fact that the painting in general resembles its origional design, the "Flying Dutchman" ship in the painting
is based on the ship of the same name from the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise.
OUTSTANDING Job!!! Thank you so so so so much for all the time you put into this video. It really shows!! 😊 Love the Phantom Manor and the new changes! Very well done!!
I'm sure I'd enjoy it if I go to it. Someday..
Am I the only one who thinks the portrait of Henry Ravenswood looks exactly like Vincent Price (who is also the voice of the Phantom)?
This ride is a phantom of its former self
Is this land? Or world? USA or other?
Eh it's not that bad.
The new boarding queue is to *die* for
The new portraits, moving the Phantom from the window, the boudoir and changing the Crypt lighting are for the worse.
Could Henry Ravenswood be the evilest Disney villain of all time (besides Maleficent and Chernabog)?
Scar did murder his brother and plotted to kill his nephew and framed his nephew with his brother's death just to be king; that does kinda ring pure evil
He is the evilest (and my second fav). My fav is off-topic........
@Rimbaud Junior yeah......
@@angelofmusicdt yeah but th phantom done slightly more gruesome acts, so scar is the second place most evil villian....
Amanda Berry i don’t know man his birth name was Taka which literally meant garbage I think he had some child hood favoritism going on.
If Disney ever make another Haunted Mansion movie once again then they should take inspirations for from Phantom Manor. Both old and new version of the story can be used.
LOVE PHANTOM MANOR! ❤❤
Thanks for pointing out all the various changes. Want to see this in person one day.
Just went to Disneyland Paris for the first time this January (2019). Phantom Manor was on the top of my must-sees but we knew it was going to be closed. :,( I was so devastated as I may never get to go back to that park. Glad this video at least shows what we would have seen.
I love that Vincent Price's narration has returned. I honestly love the updates.
If they had kept the original finale with the new refurbishment I would be happier with it, I like it so much better! And if they simply upgraded the second Phantom's movements I would have liked that more too
...I prefer the original story and finale. A town in hell, a corpse, and a floating bride gone? Screw that.
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I sure would like to see an abandoned animatronics part 2
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS THIS IS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING (both the ride and you)
So basically all the originality of Phantom Manor to and made it the same story as all the other versions
I've been looking forward for this video! Thank you very much!
My gosh I love this video so much. now I know more about the phantom manor. This video is so awesome I like the new look for the phantom manor. And at 9:29 ha lol 😆
Great video! 3 things worth mentioning are that the initial portrait has for hearts carved into the tree (backstory) as well as the noose (foreshadowing). The knight/cowboy also has a herd of ghostly cattle in it (perhaps a nod to "Ghost Riders in the Sky"). Finally, and I'm not sure about this one, but it looks like the cheating Duelist is Henry himself.
PS. The new Flying Dutchman is the one from the POTC movies.
I love watching your videos you guys are definitely one of my favorite TH-camrs to watch
I’ve never been on this ride, but it seems to me that, while most of the changes are good, the few mistakes are big ones.
Thank you guys for the vid. We (everyone who see this video) really needed it. Hope you guys keep with the good work.
Thank you for uploading this! I hope that you can also do the history and changes of the singing busts in both Haunted Mansion and Phantom Manor since I want to suggest the same thing just like Jacob Jennings suggested!
Awesome video, I've never really heard much about Phantom Manor before now. I am a bit sad that they changed the Phantom at the end, he looks way creepier before. Also, very confused about why all of the peoples' faces in Phantom Canyon are green now.
You should do a video on the history of Star Tours or Space Mountain
Also, I love your channel and you have inspired me to make my own!
Not video related but I noticed your profile picture is the emblem of the Monterey Bay Aquarium! I used to work there :)
I love that place and got a sweatshirt from there to prove I was there
Yes! We were all asking for this! Thanks for listening to us! Most youtubers don't listen to there fans But you do.
I freaked out when I saw my comment in the vid and u really do need more subscribers
Edit:great vid
The first corridor with doors scene was way better! It was used to be creepy, but now it just sounds funny. I also think the removed the bride scene for the same reason. Just to make it less creepy.
Me: no such thing as ghosts
Lightning strikes
Runs into the wall 😂
As much as I love Phantom Manor, I'm not a fan of the new story, the original was more tragic and sad as she spent her days looking for her groom and ends up saving us from the Phantom and you never REALLLYYY knew who the Phantom was, now it's out right The Phantom is her dad and he now chases her around taunting her till you see in the mirror that she's finally broken and gone mad and is now just asking the first person she sees (the rider) to marry them
Berry has decided he can’t stay apart from Melanie not even death can keep him apart from him
Thank you for this! I went to DLP on April 19th but the ride was still closed. One day I hope I get to see this in person 😭
you sound INCREDIBLY excited about all of this story
Thank you for giving a story on the new phantom manor with it's old and new story. It's my favorite Disney haunted mansion👰🏻💐💀
Interesting changes tho now it makes it like the Father and Daughter are partners in crime, one finds the suitor, the other kills 'em.
Love this update so much!
The mirror change from the skull to the Phantom's face is the only change I really don't like. I thought the giant Death's Head was so individual and terrifying, and it was an image that really stuck to me as a child. I remember being supremely creeped out by it.
My gosh the main voice of fast pass facts is back
The thunder sound in the stretching room changed, the thunder is a lot more louder and it makes the ground shake!
Love this video, so cool to see the comparison!
THE MAGIC BAND NOISE
YAY!!!! I have been waiting for this!!! Love your Channel 🥰 Excellent video!!!!
I love the format and production quality of your videos! Doesn’t drag like some others, and isn’t hyper active jumping from one subject to the next. Keep up the great work!
My favorite TH-cam channel !! This is a amazing video thanks for the information
The ride looks incredible but the the regularity of the Phantom's presence behind Melanie is really hamfisted.
1 - It's wayyy too often and doesn't convey new information each time he pops up. Which is lazy.
2 - I'm sorry to go there but it screams bad touch. It may be for my personal reasons but never leaving her alone isn't over protective dad. It borders on all the wrong creepy. Fine if that's what they secretly were going for but based on what I seen it's short sightedness on the imagineer part.
I completely understand people's qualms with the story change. However, I think it was an okay idea to sort of make the Phantom Manor more unified with the other mansions' plot (Constance). Disney tries to keep things similar so that you get similar experiences regardless of the park you go to, and they achieved that with this story alteration. The only reason why Mystic Manor gets to be so different is because of culture, but Disneyland Paris doesn't have that obstacle. So making it similar in story to the other parks is fine, I think. It's still unique enough for Paris to call it their own mansion.
But wasn’t Phantom Manor meant to be its own thing? That is why it has a different name after all.
9:11 wait... isn’t that guy in coco?
Thanks for another awesome video!
When they say the tomb is opened from the inside (of the tomb) he’s actually incorrect as if you look closely at the lines of claudes tomb the cracks indicate that the tomb was opened from the outside. If it was from the inside the cracks would be different and the rubble still attached to the tomb would be more forward then inward
honestly, i really like the new load area bc it sets up more of the backstory of the manor, but i really dislike the rest of the changes. having the phantom looming over melanie at every turn feels a little cheap.
that moment you see your comment in the video haha i screemed :p you explained everything just perfect
Loved this video!! 💕 (also I saw my name in the vid and I got excited lol)
Finally it's up!! I'm very excited about the changes to Phantom Manor!
Nice touch of adding in the X-Files theme song to the ride!
Was wondering if you could do a video about the movie props on the back lot tour at Disney mgm
This is interesting, because people need to carefully observe the comparisons between the retro and current versions of Phantom Manor located in Disneyland Paris. This spooky attraction appears in FrontierLand. No 1️⃣ will be able to miss it.
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Awesome video, one of my favorites!!!
Someone needs to animate or make a live action movie 🍿 of this story
I would like to see more abandoned animatronics if you have any more
I don’t know why everyone doesn’t like it, I love it
Hi fastpass facts i love all your vids and i hope that you get 1milion subs
Could you do a video on Rock ‘n’ Roller Coaster in the future?
Before, Melonie's suitor was named Jake.
What now? Is he named Jake Hangertoil?
At 4:38 before that animatronic used to be creepy and now on 4:44 the phantom is much better and I can see him better not from torn and rip and for my opinion some people grew up with the ones in the torn outfit and now this is the modern days of the costume of it make sense?
I am so attached to the original. It loses its Victorian gothic influence and seems a little kitschier now. I’m biased because I was obsessed with this ride in middle school because I loved Victorian Gothic literature 🥺 it’s an oh well for me. I miss the old storm effect and the old phantom-adding fluidity to his movements and lighting him better takes away the mystery. But the lack of the pointing bride hurts. It’s one of the most visceral and surreal things ever in a Disney Park. If I had to be traumatized by it as a child, so do u :’)
The old story was scarier in my opinion, but i like the new ride.
I must admit I'm not a big fan of the new green paint/light everywhere. I'm glad I got in this ride before it was changed.
At 3:21 for my opinion fast pass facts this is the best waiting line area for my opinion for any Disney parks around the world. And I wish that they had this in the sweaters you know in Florida.
Apart from 2 or 3 effects, everything was better in the original version. Plot, lightnings and general aesthetics. Now it's too bright, too colorful, and paintings are a bit too "modern". Less haunting, less frightening, less romantic, less timeless. The world is more and more in the "pop culture" and less and less in the classic aesthetics. This evolution in Phantom/Manor just follows the trend, and Disneyland Paris in general looked way "classier" in the 90s and 2000s than now (O'poor "New York hotel", now being an ugly "Marvel" Tower).