Crazy to think I had never heard of the MSX until I was an adult. It's was never on my radar as a kid but it looks a great machine. Great vid as always Mark!
Mark here's a challenge for you, should you choose to accept it. Some Sega Master System games were released in Japan (for the Sega Mk III) bundled with and/or requiring a paddle controller, but these are now annoyingly expensive, and as far as I know there has never been a third-party option. So I was wondering if it would be possible to convert a 2600 paddle? One potential issue is the Sega having two independent fire buttons, so may need two donor controllers (and some dremel action).
Probably be easier to just make a new one. Paddles aren't very complex and are often just a potentiometer and a few over onit components. I really want to build a Colecovision arcade stick first though. EDIT: The paddle project has been done already - www.raphnet.net/electronique/sms_paddle/index_en.php
Here's a tip; instead of removing those DE9 support thingies (thanks for that no-nonsense explanation BTW.), just shake your head a bit and hope for some of those really flat-headed screws in the correct size to fall out. There's really no need to remove those support thingies or gluing anything. I really hate glue, because I somehow always manage to get it everywhere else than where I want it to go. I have also had to resort to buying assortment boxes of all kinds of screws, since I've used that head shaking lifehack so much by now, that all that now drops out are the remaining load-baring 9" nails. 😅
Hmm without the support legs is this sturdy enough to withstand plugin in and out repeatedly without solder joints cracking? Perhaps you should design a lid that has thicker support beams behind the conectors to prevent them from moving.
Did you ever consider using a 'donor' cable from a dead controller/joystick and solder that to the board instead of using a socket and extender? Would look quite cool coming out of your housing through a nice round hole!
I did actually consider loppmh the end off of the joystick extension and soldering straight in actually, but I wanted to make a video that was easy to follow along with and that would have complicated it a bit. Great minds though!
You did not have to import the Konami cartridge games at great cost for the original MSX. Konami UK handled distribution for Europe. Later when the market contracted and magazines finished they published their own newsletter. Salamander has a built-in sound chip, you need a SD cart solution with that built in. I had an MSX joystick but I remember using the red Quick shot 2 turbo more than anything else
@@MarkFixesStuff I had a Sony. Mainly because my mother really liked Sony stuff. She thought Amstrad was junk. Msx computers were mainly sold through manufacturers network of independent electrical dealers rather than Dixons/wh Smith . They gave up on the UK in early 1986 so the computers were only sold for about 15 months. Software in my town was sold in the electrical dealers video rental sections that they all seemed to have through to 88
The only MSX I ever saw for sale in the 1980s was in Beaties in Wolverhampton in 1986/87. Tosh set up, with second disk and a printer. I forget how much it cost, but it was reduced from the RRP. I couldn't afford it as a penurious undergrad even at a sale price, and a cheap Elk was better suited to my course needs.
Hey Kris!! For logic you can use most EPROM burners to test the truth tables. I use an older TL866II knock off. Regarding the filming, it’s the tripod that gets in the way. There are some solutions, such as an overhead weighted boom (expensive and bulky) or a ceiling mounted arm (not possible in this room). It’s not a terrible problem but can mean that some issues I don’t see in real life show up in the footage.
@@MarkFixesStuff Thank you for taking my 2nd Q so seriously, I think you meant to say say its difficult to solder while filming. I don;t know for sure though considering you are you. 😀
I remember the MSX back in the day as being promoted the future in standardising computing but never really got a hold in the UK. Nice little build, plain old blu-tack has the smurf poo supply dried up😄
That's the sound of all the angry nerds in the comments trying to argue he's calling it the wrong thing 😂 A DB9 connector would be a funny thing, if such things existed I could imagine Sun making them for their monitors.
Crazy to think I had never heard of the MSX until I was an adult. It's was never on my radar as a kid but it looks a great machine. Great vid as always Mark!
Thank you Matt!
Seems like most of the MSX were Japan made products: Yamaha, Panasonic/National, etc
I bought one recently after watching Lee @Morefunmakingit getting one, I got a Sony HitBit and it's a heavy beast with SCART output as a bonus.
You got to just luv Mark's soldering. Top Tips from a master
Just a little tip inserted occasionally.
Mark here's a challenge for you, should you choose to accept it. Some Sega Master System games were released in Japan (for the Sega Mk III) bundled with and/or requiring a paddle controller, but these are now annoyingly expensive, and as far as I know there has never been a third-party option. So I was wondering if it would be possible to convert a 2600 paddle? One potential issue is the Sega having two independent fire buttons, so may need two donor controllers (and some dremel action).
Probably be easier to just make a new one. Paddles aren't very complex and are often just a potentiometer and a few over onit components.
I really want to build a Colecovision arcade stick first though.
EDIT: The paddle project has been done already - www.raphnet.net/electronique/sms_paddle/index_en.php
Here's a tip; instead of removing those DE9 support thingies (thanks for that no-nonsense explanation BTW.), just shake your head a bit and hope for some of those really flat-headed screws in the correct size to fall out. There's really no need to remove those support thingies or gluing anything. I really hate glue, because I somehow always manage to get it everywhere else than where I want it to go. I have also had to resort to buying assortment boxes of all kinds of screws, since I've used that head shaking lifehack so much by now, that all that now drops out are the remaining load-baring 9" nails. 😅
Top work as always!
Hmm without the support legs is this sturdy enough to withstand plugin in and out repeatedly without solder joints cracking? Perhaps you should design a lid that has thicker support beams behind the conectors to prevent them from moving.
Did you ever consider using a 'donor' cable from a dead controller/joystick and solder that to the board instead of using a socket and extender? Would look quite cool coming out of your housing through a nice round hole!
I did actually consider loppmh the end off of the joystick extension and soldering straight in actually, but I wanted to make a video that was easy to follow along with and that would have complicated it a bit. Great minds though!
You have a really nice box there.
You did not have to import the Konami cartridge games at great cost for the original MSX. Konami UK handled distribution for Europe. Later when the market contracted and magazines finished they published their own newsletter. Salamander has a built-in sound chip, you need a SD cart solution with that built in. I had an MSX joystick but I remember using the red Quick shot 2 turbo more than anything else
I didn’t see any MSX stuff back then. I’m guessing you did?
@@MarkFixesStuff I had a Sony. Mainly because my mother really liked Sony stuff. She thought Amstrad was junk. Msx computers were mainly sold through manufacturers network of independent electrical dealers rather than Dixons/wh Smith . They gave up on the UK in early 1986 so the computers were only sold for about 15 months. Software in my town was sold in the electrical dealers video rental sections that they all seemed to have through to 88
@15:50 so satisfying
The only MSX I ever saw for sale in the 1980s was in Beaties in Wolverhampton in 1986/87. Tosh set up, with second disk and a printer. I forget how much it cost, but it was reduced from the RRP. I couldn't afford it as a penurious undergrad even at a sale price, and a cheap Elk was better suited to my course needs.
Brute force and ignorance? Finally a project I can do!
Hi Mark.
Q1. What chip tester do you suggest?
Q2. At 8:47, you suggest it is difficult filming around a camera. Is there another way around this? /s
Hey Kris!!
For logic you can use most EPROM burners to test the truth tables. I use an older TL866II knock off.
Regarding the filming, it’s the tripod that gets in the way. There are some solutions, such as an overhead weighted boom (expensive and bulky) or a ceiling mounted arm (not possible in this room). It’s not a terrible problem but can mean that some issues I don’t see in real life show up in the footage.
@@MarkFixesStuff Thank you for taking my 2nd Q so seriously, I think you meant to say say its difficult to solder while filming. I don;t know for sure though considering you are you. 😀
Ah I see! Yes, I'm prone to muttering nonsense but you should know that by now.
@@MarkFixesStuff aren't we all 🤣
I remember the MSX back in the day as being promoted the future in standardising computing but never really got a hold in the UK. Nice little build, plain old blu-tack has the smurf poo supply dried up😄
Video game controller design peaked with the Sega Genesis.
@@HisVirusness I can’t argue with that.
Thanks for the video. Im going to order up the parts for this now.
Are you sharing or offering your stl for sale?
Don't have an MSX, but I know it's a capable machine. Nice to see another video Mark. I love your Speccy vids. Have any more in mind, or planned?
Part three of the toastrack repair video is due very soon.
Not a computer I've any history with at all.
Great little adapter mate 👌
17:03 Uh oh! Watch out for watermelon!
What was that NOT commodore 64?
I can hear your inner monologue @ 9:40 Mark :) Thanks for the Vid. I don't own a MSX...yet 😆
That's the sound of all the angry nerds in the comments trying to argue he's calling it the wrong thing 😂
A DB9 connector would be a funny thing, if such things existed I could imagine Sun making them for their monitors.
Looks like something I'd make. Oh wait... I actually did make at least one 😅
Haha!!!