I'm going to play devil's advocate. If a 150 lb man is tormenting a 245 man, and gets his butt handed to him, we say "Yeah, he deserved that. I hope he learned a lesson." Why doesn't the same hold true when a woman throws fists?
You guys, no offense, are the oddest group of reactors I've found. You all have very different vibes and personalities. I like it. You got a new subscriber.
I've known women who argue like that and men, Im telling you not every woman is like that. Get a woman who doesn't say shit she doesnt mean when she's angry, get a woman who doesn't belittle you in the heat of an argument. You don't deserve that emotional abuse.
As a woman, I know that this is true. I think women are taking advantage of that "Don't hit women". And yet we see so many women being physical. And the excuse is she had to put up with so much stuff she snapped. I know women who are physically and emotionally abusive. And they get away with it. They know what button to push.
Any woman who is disrespectful to their man, is not a woman that any Man should have more than one date with...but we are Men, and we were taught to be respectful to women. Always.
I'm literally in a legal battle I will probably lose right now, because I was with a woman who physically abused me for almost a year and a half. I got tired of it and smacked her clean across the face. Her literally punching me in the face, groin, guts, clawing me leaving marks over 65% of my body, also already having been arrested before for beating the crap out of me, and I'm the one who got arrested and am going to court because she had a bloody lip. No one ever gives a shit about the guys position. Even the "justice" system.
I feel for ya man, I truly do, I came super close to almost the same thing, the gal wasn't quite that physical with me, more pushing and slapping, but definitely acts that I would have gone to jail for if I did to her. I got lucky though, before she ever succeeded in pushing that button (I'd like to think I don't have that button, but one never knows the depths people can sink to in order to hurt you), she broke up with me, and the reason was, and I quote, "If you really loved me you'd hit me, you're a pussy". WHEW!! Fucked up future averted. In all honestly I found out later a little more insight on how messed up her childhood was, so my actual hope is that she found help dealing with all that and can someday be at peace with her inner demons. That's what makes your whole situation sad on all accounts, and I by no means am taking up for the bitch that abused you, but looking at it from a societal perspective, I'm sure she got the shit beat out of her on a regular basis at some point in her life. The fact that having a penis makes you guilty in many scenarios when it comes to the law, is a very shitty thing indeed, but look at how far back in our species history, and currently in many parts of the world, where abuse or hitting of women was just a "god given right" of men, or even in this country, it wasn't that long ago, if a woman got raped or beaten, even a guys own daughter, they were chastised for being out too late, wearing slutty clothes, told they were asking for it. I know that doesn't make your situation any better, I just think after so long a time, of discounting women, the knee jerk caused the pendulum to swing a little too far the other way. Either way, good luck, I really hope you get a good judge and a fair trial.
Look she should go to jail for what she did. It's bullshit. She was wrong. Here's why you don't hit a woman unless she is specialized in MMA fighting or martial arts don't hit a woman why because she can break your nose but you can kill her with the same punch! Her strength is no match for yours. I understood this while watching the tv show Cops. The woman and man got drunk and cops were called out there all the time but this one time the woman was drunk and came at her guy he kicked her in the sternum it broke and went right into her heart killing her. The COPS came out and asked him what happened, "Well stupid finally did it, she came at me and I kicked her." The cops and later EMTs tried to revive her but it was later revealed that her heart was pierced. She was dead.
@@talco881 .... But there are plenty of women that are stronger than certain men. Yes on average men are stronger, and the strongest man in the world is stronger than the strongest woman, I get it. I think the reason you don't hit woman, should be the same reason you don't hit another man, because we are intelligent creatures, and we need to try an resolve our differences with words, not violence. I realize that's a pipe dream, as far as everyone never fighting again, but we talking philosophical or in theory, right...lol
Wow sorry that happened to you. Hopefully you have learned to not give someone so disrespectful and with such volatile behavior so many chances , please next time do not stay. Run Good luck
@@CorinnaD Fortunately, I won that case. As I said, there was overwhelming evidence of regular physical abuse coming from her and she didn't even deny it in trial. The last laugh she got though was putting me through a year of prejudice from society due to the alleged charges, and that the courts let her off of her previous charges due to her becoming a "victim". So I never got any closure for the actual abuse I went through and she got to walk away Scott free.
As a woman, I have to say that I firmly believe that the moment partners throw insults or bring up weaknesses as a personal attack to have the last word, it is a fact that all care and respect is gone. The relationship is unhealthy when it becomes easy and tempting to cause pain of any type. Love is patient, kind and grateful even during disagreements.
I understand what you're saying but I don't believe insulting someone you love means that you don't respect them. It often means both parties got way too emotional & irrational & at the time, wanted to hurt each other. I used to get that way a long time ago with boys, friends & family. I hadn't lost respect, I was hurt, lashing out & not thinking clearly.
A woman will punch a guy in the face and then just stand there like... What? She won't even put a guard up... Why? because she's not expecting the guy to have the balls to hit her back because "she's a girl". That's what she's grown up to be taught... men shouldn't hit women. The arrogance behind that is incredible... So "equality" doesn't really mean equal then right? They want all the good things of being a man but none of the bad... as a guy, if you punch another guy, you best be putting a guard up because he's not just going to stand there and take it. How about nobody hits anybody? How about that? But... if anybody hits someone else they can expect to get hit back, how bout that?
I know some women would. Just like we know some men that will beat their wives for no reason. I would be hesitant to lump in a whole group together in response to a few bad apples. Thanks for the comment! - Joe
🦋 In his perfect world, getting both sides of the story makes sense. Until you’re one of those people that your side of the story is never listen to for many different reasons gender, culture, color of your skin, just the name a few. In defense of him he’s coming from his experience in life but he doesn’t realize that that’s not everybody else’s experience or at least that’s how it seems that he’s thinking.
Ok, as Mrs. Doc here, I will chime in on this topic and say there are certin situations that may come up when hittig back would be appropiriate. Example: You are a dad shopping in a store with your child and some woman gets agressive towards your child, (for some dumb reason only they know), then, is the time it warrants a hands on response. To protect yourself or family from harm is a gloves off situation. Say your on a bus and some able bodied woman demands you give her your seat and gets agressive and threatening about it with words and physical action, then once she lays a hand on you, (say she slaps you), she just gave up her right to be treated decently. These days there are more of them out there than their used to be...they are called Karens. lol
😂Like I Had Said many Times Before: HE Has More RIGHT to Beat On HER, Than She Attacks HIM! 😅 Which Got Many SEE/You/In/Teas Squawking! ❤ And, They Start Yelling, VIOLENCE IS WRONG! 😢 ¡YES, So No One May Be Violent To Anybody Else! 😮
I believe if a man or woman chooses to be the physical abuser or the abused...time for some serious therapy. A person needs to leave the relationship, man or woman.
no reason? what if a female tries to physically hurt me or my child? there's a story of a female dentist who removed all of her ex boyfriend's teeth out of spite some females out there pick fights with guys intentionally abusing the "men can't hit women" rule it's like Bill said, there are plenty of reasons (hypothetically) but you just don't do it
@@asimskentzos9231 It works both ways - what about women, who haven't learned to express themselves verbally and control their emotions, so that they wouldn't provoke those men?...it works both ways honey, it's not a one way ride!...
Lol I looked up the story and apparently it’s a hoax. But the sad part is it’s believable as hell. I mean when there are multiple stories across the world including in the US of women cuttings guys dick off and other women cheer it…f’d up.
Big guy says to just get both sides of the story. The problem is, what if someone is lying? What if the woman is lying, what if the woman is the abuser, and everyone treats the man like garage, until the truth comes out? What happened to Johnny Depp is a prime example of this. There's always a reason to hit a woman, there's always is a reason to hit or kill anyone wronging you, and some really deserve it. What I really hate about society, or at the very least, parts of the U.S., where self-defense is being shamed. Environments like that, train & worsen evil people. Bullies say & do horrible things to innocent people, then pretend to be the victim, when the real victim says or does anything in retaliation. Relying on authorities or society, over yourself, is what makes greedy and evil people more entitled, more bold, and worse, because they're expecting you not to fight back. And when seconds count, those pests & gang-members known as police, are minutes away. And even if they do show up, they don't know who the F to believe, so they just send you both your separate ways. Real victim fuming, still wronged, even lost something, and the bully, walking away smirking, or if they are manipulative enough, they get the cops, stupid vigilantes, and judges on their side, to add to the real victims suffering, for the bullies gain or amusement. This why, this is why, anyone who wants to rob, violate, kill, or bully me in person I fight them tooth & nail. And it doesn't matter if they are weaker then me, it just means I get to defend myself & mine quicker. Wicked people keep harming & cheating the innocent, because they think they can get away with it. And if you don't fight back, they likely will. There is the argument to be made, to kill certain people in self-defense, if you can get away with it, because this society & system doesn't fix or exterminate truly vile people, again, it makes them worse. Basically kill & eat them, loot their corpse, disappear from the scene, and if the scene your home, then quietly kill & destroy their body. There is no point getting the police involved. Evil people of any gender, try to degrade your life. Whether or not you fight back, you lose. You either let them have their way with you and your things, or, you defend you & yours, then have those degenerates replaced by other degenerates called police, vigilantes, lawyers, judges, and news stations. It is pointless being merciful, and playing by society's rules. So I say, secretly defend & avenge yourself, and if you can, do the world a service. Anyone who willing, and frequently harms & cheats the innocent, without remorse, deserves to suffer, deserves to be disfigured & crippled. If they don't change, then they deserve to die. I isolate myself, not only because I'm happier alone, but also because Its hard for someone to use & abuse you, if you don't let them deep in your life to begin with. And some stranger invades your life, then it's much easier to get them out of it, no connections, be it ending them on the street, defending yourself and getting away from there, or deleting their trespassing body in your home.
Joe is right…. It is ok to ask questions….. it’s the way we ask and how we respond to others that counts. The environment has to be one where both parties can express themselves honestly. But, to Joe’s point, if we cannot discuss our differences and our own insecurities and weaknesses that cause us to act out in a negative way, we cannot ever get to the real root of our individual problems, and the issues between us, we can never solve them.
The moment anyone uses the trust you may have given them, or what they know about you to hurt you, that's when you know they are very likely to be toxic and not the right person to be around
I am sorry, but speaking as a woman, I most certainly cannot respect a man who will allow me to verbally disrespect him and treat him like crap, as Joe (Peach Shirt) is advocating that men should do, just to keep the peace. People, men or women, will treat you how you allow them to, and if you act like a doormat or a simp, they will treat you as such and you have no one else to blame but yourself. As soon as someone crosses the line, you immediately establish a boundary and let them know that you will never tolerate being treated in such a manner again, and if he or she refuses to rectify their disrespectful or antagonistic behaviour, you leave. It is that simple. Know your worth and avoid unnecessary headaches and heartaches.
Your comment is right on point...If you allow people to treat you badly then you need to find out what is wrong with you if you allow that to continue...and the best thing to do it leave if it does not stop.
Never tell a woman that she hurt you with what she said. You can say that what she said was unnecessary. A woman, no matter what she says in response to, “you hurt me” will never see you as strong.
Dude in the orange, I've noticed it in a few videos,...man, I really hope you find the right one, I hope you do. It can be a cold world out there, chivalry isn't dead, best of luck.
You don’t have to suck it up and take abuse though……. Your strategy of coming back later to discuss her attacks, is spot on. It’s the emotional responses in the moment that can cause the most damage. ❤
Absolutely no sarcasm here - I want Orange Guy's life. I mean, if his personal experiences made him feel like it's okay to ask and there's no yelling at him involved - give me this. Don't know where you ppl live, but nowhere I've ever lived was like that.
A question is just like a tool you use to dig deeper. Questions are not meant to be insulting or anything. It's simply questioning to know. If they don't want u to question them then there's something suspicious going on. Lol
Thats exactly what I was trying to get at! When we ask questions it should be with pure intent but at the same time if the other party really wanted to fix the issues they should have no problem answering. -Joe
Dude in orange is too kind and will slowly adjust his whole being in favor of his girl staying happy with him, until she gets bored and dumps him for a more exciting version. In my humble opinion/ point of view
I think keeping the relationship exciting and fresh is a challenge in itself! I think you make a good point about changing oneself for someone else. The right woman will want you to change for the better and not for her. Anyone who does just for their own personal preferences may not be worth sticking around for because ultimately there are compatibility issues there. Thank you for the comment and let me know what you think! - Joe
@@typadudes hi Joe, thank you for taking your time to reply to me. Very much appreciated 🙏 . You know the things you discuss with DT , I am so used to DT's POV, that your view on the several points you two talk about, actually the decent, proper norms and values thoughts, caught me off guard lol! I totally see and recognize what and where you come from with your vision. But , even though in my 50s now, DT's approach is way more exciting and is how I went through life so far. At the moment I watched your vids yesterday, you came across as super boring and polite. Which is not a bad thing btw, don't get me wrong please. It was an eye opener for me and I forgotten completely that some have a total different approach , which can be just as good in the end.
@@mickkalshoven5 Thanks for the really thoughtful reply Mick! Yeah I probably should have done a better job at specifying the caviats for treating others like that. Obviously if you find a woman who isnt deserving of your time, effort, commitment then you should stay away from her. However my view is that at least in the beginning you should always give people the benefit of the doubt, treat everyone with kindness and respect and always be hopeful for the best possible outcome. I'm a true believer in "get back what you give out." I really appreciate your perspective though and realize that different ways work for different people. Thank you for the comment and hope to hear back from you soon! - Joe
I'm an old broad now (not sure how that happened), and as I listen to the three of you talk it makes my heart happy. I think you get it. :) We aren't men. Men can fall back on physicality when all else fails. Women? We're nasty and great at mental guerilla warfare. It's how we keep each other in line. It's not pretty. It's just the truth. I've been married 31 years, and I married a man strong enough to weather my storms and steer us through them when I can't, who makes me feel loved and secure. He married a woman that respects him, is fiercely loyal, puts him first, and can cook her ass off. If you haven't found yours already, I pray you do. +Subscribe.
Thank you for your insightful comment! I think what you have found is what we all are trying to find! I don't think being cynical or letting my negative experience dictate how I view future possible relationships is the right way to go. Thank you so much for the sub! - Joe
@typadudes no disrespect, it's always about them the gals, but less about us guy. How is it fair a woman to hit us, which makes it wrong, then she should be held accountable for putting her hands on a guy if the guy didn't do anything, which makes her the aggressor.
I'm with DT on this. Don't matter who you are. Man woman or other. What matters is how much damage you might inflict. No one should hit anyone regardless of gender and a man has a right not to take abuse just like the woman has the same right. Equality goes both ways
Not all situations are that black and white... just because the guy in the orange shirt has been in a situation where he got to ask both sides does not mean they are all like that.
You should hear some of the conversations we have in private. They're really interesting and we get into some deep personal topics, talk about couples therapy! - Joe
I have a sister who loves playing the victim. With her now ex spouse, it was NEVER her fault. Her friends AND even strangers never heard about the shit she did in the marriage. Years of crap!
I do believe that as a woman, if she hits a man first, then she should expect a smack back. If she doesn't want to get hit, then she needs to learn to keep her hands to herself
Violence needs to stay out of a relationship. Easier said than done. I'm a single 60 yr old woman, no kids because of stuff that happened in my childhood, not because I'm a feminist, because I'm not. I resolved to break the cycle of abuse, so I never married or had a boyfriend. I've had therapy, but if I ever found a man I wanted to spend the rest of my life with, I'd have to get more therapy. I can function in society, don't drink alcohol, have hobbies, but I'm also an introvert, so not interested in the social scene. I have much respect for couples who make relationships work.
Interesting, but it seems Mr. Jo isn't aware of all those women's incarceration facilities throughout the world. Believe it or not, there are a number of times, and "I've been in such situations" where being a woman has absolutely nothing to do with it. Sure, if you aren't dealing with an impaired, psychotics or just outright violent woman in the first place, there may be that option of de-escalating or removing yourself from the situation. Reality doesn't always play well with one's perception on how the world 'should' be. Have a chat with some emergency services folks, particularly the law enforcement and ER/EMT members. I'm sure they can provide a few stories that'll likely surprise you on just how far things can get off track. You also may see some information regarding a few men who had to resort to getting restraining orders to try and stay safe from some of those 'defenseless' women. That also doesn't even address the growing community of those women, who weren't always a woman. I think everyone can agree that it's best to try and de-escalate disputes, or have that 'walk away' option available. Almost everyone would get on board with having a peaceful resolution to any disagreement. It also helps to work on one's communication skills to increase that option with better chances of a preferred outcome.
The only reason you should hit a woman is out of self defense. But the thing that gets annoying is women think they can just go around hitting men for stupid shit. Everyone just assumes that "man hits woman = abuse" when I've seen so many videos of women throwing punches like crazy at men and starting fights until the guy finally snaps and defends himself. For example, I'm a KU fan and I remember when everyone was ready to cancel Carlton Bragg because his ex GF accused him of pushing her down the stairs. Then the footage from the hallway camera came out showing her frantically punching him and all he did was push her off him and she went flying down the stairs.
Omg...DT lol. Can't believe I see you here. I thought it was a look alike. I subscribed to both of your other channels since you first discovered kpop. I'm so happy right now cuz I'm also a Bill fan
I gotta say, I am a very chill person. I am very rarely taking part in arguments or fights, and I usually just let it happen, think nothing about it, and confront them later or the next day. And what I have learned is, that most women (or even people in general), are very apologetic about it then. They realize that they have said things that were totally not okay, apologize, sometimes even try to make it up, and often even adjust their behaviour to not let it happen again. So I think I this is the best approach to handling fights with people you know. But, there are always people that dont accept you not taking part in the fight they clearly wanna have, and often they get physical. Which is a good think imo, because then you know to get away from that person. Relationship, friendship, anything. If somebody is willing to physically hurt me, successful or not, it is not a person that you want in your life.
I think the problem isn't about questioning. because we can argue in some cases against women that some men don't always question either. I think it boils down to assumptions. The problem is that there are some groups of women, and indeed men as a matter of fact, who just blindly assume that under no circumstance whatsoever should anybody question what happened when a violent act is committed against a women, but will not extend that same courtesy or staunch opposition to such questioning if it were a woman committing a violent act on a man. That is where the problem lies. It's not about arguing that violence against women shouldn't be taken as seriously or condoned simply because violence against men by women isn't taken seriously or falsely justified, it is about not accepting any form of violence in any relationship and not using gender as a dis qualifier for taking somebody seriously. That being said, I wouldn't hold out much hope, because I fear the trend will be as it always is. Women are more likely to stand up for women when they are a victim of male abuse and violence and Men are more likely to stand up for men when they are the victim of abuse or violence from women. And both are apathetic to the exceptions. Bros before Hoes, Chicks before Dicks. that's what makes the world go round.
I'm interested to see what y'all got to say about, T Sleeveless "Teach a boy to cry" spoken word. This guy out of Philly got something to teach everyone, in a short time. Gotta check it out.
Man or woman, if you Ever bring up sensitive stuff to make your partner feel bad about themselves or to hurt them that means that You Do Not Love That Person...that is a really cruel crappy thing to do. And if a person stays with a person who does this to you, then you need to find out what is wrong with You and why you stay with a person that low. And to hell with "but I love them"...get help if that's you.
Not sure that I'm behind the idea that a man has to take hurtful comments and not react and just take it out at the gym or on the basketball court later IF you're also saying it's perfectly fine for a woman to lash out unfairly and hurtfully and have a tantrum whenever she wants, including physical violence. That's how you end up with "pussy-whipped" men and husbands. Ever seen that elderly couple that has been together forever and the woman still nags or talks a mile a minute and the man is just sort of resigned and quiet? That is the "happy wife, happy life" attitude that I'm not on board with. That is just the husband giving up on his own rights, desires and happiness. I am just against double standards. It should be "happy couple, happy life" or "mutual respect, happy life". If you still subscribe to the old way of thinking where the woman is right and is always given the benefit of the doubt no matter what, then women can't complain about equal rights or some of the advantages men have in society. You have to decide if you want traditional roles or "fair" roles.
Gentleman in Orange shirt is right in order to form a fair opinion you must question all parties involved. The truth can withstand a line of questioning.
What is that device on the right hand side of the video on the desk? For some reason it caught my eye and I spent most of the vid trying to work out exactly what it is lol I'm thinking some kind of volume control but I'm probably incorrect.
I was raised in a violent home, unfortunately, my brother was the kind that would go home and just beat on his girlfriend. No reason, I witnessed it. She had cleaned the house, finished work, cooked dinner and we were chatting as he arrived. He walked in checked what she cooked, threw it across the dining room and started beating on her. So, there are punks that do that without a reason. But yes, there are women that do push buttons just to get a reaction. However, Bill is just emphasising that some women do give a reason for a man to hit her. But this doesn't mean a man should hit her. (My opinion only)
That’s kind of ignoring the fact that women can be punks too. It totally proves the point in Bills statement. Women can be a little mean but guys are all abusers. Wow.
@@coachjro7538She didn’t say that. You’re putting words in her mouth. In cases of constant physical abuse, the person is abusive due to being raised in an abusive home. It has nothing to do with the partner.
You can ask questions, but I think Bill is saying why the authorities assume the man is in the wrong in manhandling a woman, and not ask the man questions as to what happened. So, the first instance of judgement is that the man is always in the wrong; it's automatic, and Bill's conversation is why? Like he said, don't hit a woman, but don't say there's no reason to hit a woman, because there are reasons.
Yeah. It’s “Believe All Women!” & don’t ask questions. A woman can accuse a guy of sexual assault & usually there is no due process for the guy in terms of losing his job, or scholarship, or whatever. If a woman says she was assaulted, she should be taken seriously & with respect, as if what she’s saying MAY be true. But if her claim is treated as though it’s already a proven fact then that makes the guy she’s accusing automatically guilty. Obviously, some guys are NOT guilty, & their rights must be protected too. Case in point: The 2006 Duke Lacrosse case in which 3 players were falsely accused of rape. They were expelled from school; their faces were all over the news; they were called rapists & racists for a year; their lives were destroyed for an entire year until it became clear that it was all fabricated. Then all charges were dropped. And the guys are expected to just move on? It’s crazy. Innocent until proven guilty has been forgotten.
One of the benefits of growing up when bullying was common is that after school, anything anyone verbally says to you is nothing compared to being young, full of hormones, constantly thrown in new situations and harassed by classmates, teachers, and even family. Thick skin is underestimated.
This video was a month old so I don't know if you read comments once they get past a certain age but just in case That you do. Then I just want to say the big guy on the right with the big ears is really not representing the majority of real men. His comments lead me to look at him more as a male feminist which of course are becoming more more lately. It seems to make the female argument in terms of ethylene's and of it though it's feelings and who controls things but the stuff he says would. Be great if they were coming from a woman but other than that he's really lost certain level of masculinity.
I won’t lie dude in orange needs more life experience. He’s talking as if women are typically as understanding and open to hearing the truth. I tell my finance things I don’t appreciate and have a genuine communication about it and she’ll still end up doing it. Talking about things doesn’t work when most don’t want to listen.
I'm sorry you have that experience. I unfortunately have experienced both situations and end up leaving if they don't come around to some kid of compromise. Anything less would show disrespect. Thanks for the comment! I saw that you commented on our other videos too! Keep it up, I like hearing what you have to say!
@@typadudes yeah being young and lacking confidence and self respect can lead to women just walking over you. I’ve definitely grown to not allow things and I don’t hesitate to set boundaries but I do think some people have to go through it to learn and some people are capable of just doing it. Good luck on your endeavors and glad to hear from you guys I like the interaction.👍🏽
Then leave. If your communication styles are that different then you have no business being together. What is the point of staying and being frustrated with not being listened to?
I am a woman & although I don't agree that women in general just want attention & sympathy...I do understand to an extent what he's saying. In my opinion, it's like hate, or men crying & many other things. It's because as a society we've been taught that it's just plain wrong so the majority of people feel there is No reason to ask questions. I however, think that Bill & so many other comics are wiser than most & they just make it easier to digest. You should & we should all be able to ask questions... especially when it's a one time thing. If it's constant, there are bigger problems.
Oh & I forgot. There are never 2 sides to a story...there is his, mine & the truth. Everyone sees there own side a bit different than say...if it were recorded. Our memories tend to be a bit one sided.
11:00 the guy on the left is mos def on point. If it is any help, I believe you young guys have to be even more careful. Society has over corrected way too hard. My gen was super lucky, sweet spot in the 90's/00's. Girls and guys got along and called out bad behavior without creating twitter careers and hashtags.
The guy in orange didn't get it did he ??? The point is people just say "I don't care what she did there's no reason to raise your hands against a woman"
I love Bill Burr and I really love people’s first time reactions to him. That said, it was extremely hard to listen to your conversation. You all looked horrified with what Bill was saying and you sounded like dudes who take a lot from your women, in ways that you shouldn’t. The listen to me, don’t try to fix me discussion is not the one Bill is talking about. Why do you have to take it? Suck it up? Whatever? Women are trying to turn men into girlfriends and not mates. A woman who loves and respects you will never deliberately push your buttons. This is a control issue. I say RUN! 😂
I just watched your Bill Burr lotion video and you said you need a white friend... and look.. a white friend...lol. There's no reason to hit... in either direction. Men should not accept that getting slapped in the face (or worse) is ok. If that's happening, the relationship is toxic - just leave. BUT... if you have kids, you don't just leave and never look back. If you aren't worried about the kids safety go... and text a message where your going. If you aren't sure about the kids safety call her mom, her friend, her person... and have them go to her so you know the kids are ok. If you try and take the kids it'll just get bad fast. Just remember, the kids are already hearing everything.
We’re here to enjoy your first time reaction to something we’ve already seen and enjoyed in order to relive that experience with someone else. The condescending woke political lecture about what we need to understand about things we all understand in a much more realistic fashion than yourself is a bit taxing to sit through. A real-time shared laugh with your viewer’s would garner allot more likes!
Dude on the right as I look at this, the left as it was filmed seems just a little too in tune with his feminine side. Bill was really clear in what he said, but this guy is squishy, just like my daughter when I showed this to her.
And then, after they've screamed all their hurtful shit, you leave them because they aren't worth your time. They have shown that they have no concern for you, all they want is to get their way and you are meaningless.
When they don't let you leave and are in your face going crazy how long can you take it is what it comes down to which sucks when a walk or a workout would be more than sufficient in calming down sometimes they see red . Here's a few reasons I've seen cheated and had guys sign under the mattress then set my car in fire while I was dealing with that she cut the back of all my pants and draws and stole my money and atm card and some where in there tried to stab me and hit me with a boom box with a broken antenna hid my keys deleted a message from work because my assistant was a girl and the message was I needed a light over because ours just fell out of the ceiling and I had an inspection at 7am and they closed in 30 min by the time I found out 3 hours later I tried to call the cops she cut the phone cord in half that was before cell phones while I was looking for my keys she hid my shoes and the whole time I was just trying to go calm down after they closed and was no way to get a cover before my inspection the whole time she was in my face going crazy and telling me to give her a kiss not like that mean it I made it 3.5 hours before pushing her into the couch and running down the street with no shirt no keys one shoe a knife wound and a hole in my shoulder she ran next door and used their phone called the cops and said I hit and choked her they arrested me not her and I was sent to jail missed my inspection and got fired that whole time I was in jail and they said I was guilty for pushing her into the couch and running away but her nothing for 3.5 hours of attacking and going crazy . I sat in jail for ten days before getting out to an empty apartment with an eviction notice my one car burned to what they said was worth less than 35 bucks the other had no battery and 4 flat tires and broken windshield I still feel that was worth a shot or two especially since it's in my record as I'm a violent crazy guy for running away after 3.5 hours I have many more stories I clouding a big girl raping me after kidnapping me and one attacking me while I was at work for several hours after knocking over a customer and jumping over the counter and wouldn't let me off the wall I was pinned against to talk to the pissed off customer that was knocked clearly off her feet and wanted to speak with the manager which was me again I finally ran away again she chased me and a car cut me off and she got me and went crazy there's some reasons is all I'm saying and I have seen lots of them
As a 50yr old lady, imho as per my life experience. Never hit a woman, but also in penalty phase of trial or whatever go easier on the guy who was goaded in to it.
And Rhianna situation, if you think nothing happened prior and he just hit her, you're crazy! Remember, they were very young he was 19, and she was 22, I think!
@@typadudes At the end he seems like a nice guy but they always finish last and one or both will happen to him first from what i see. Yes we have to be protective of our partners but the way he sounds really. The guy on the left say no we can't do that to rolling her up in the yoga mat and making her sit behind the couch and think about it. We here about equality when they only want the good stuff and sitting on our hands isn't going to help anyone
The guys talking about victim blaming is talking about media talk and online talk the guy saying of course ask questions is talking about real world interpersonal relationships with people you know, completely different scenarios. That's why you're both right.
Thanks for the comment! Yeah I agree, I think there is a lot of victim blaming that goes around but its also important to get to the bottom of things. Unfortunately the way the media portrays things a lot of the time isnt reality. So its really situational. - Joe
@@typadudes I don't like the assumption that all women are good, I've met beautiful monsters heard them tell me the monstrous things they've done. Have a good one.
@@sketchtherapy1218 I think the assumption I always work with initially is that everyone is good until they prove to me otherwise. I really do understand your perspective though! Thank you for your comment! - Joe
@@typadudes I assume everyone is evil till they prove otherwise, I just don't act on it. i never ascribe to confusion or lack of intellect what can be explained by malice. Especially if tied in any way shape or form to news channels.
@@sketchtherapy1218 Thats a really interesting perspective because you're starting from a place where you think people are smarter than they let on. I unfortunately do not have THAT positive of a view of humanity. - Joe
23:00 See, guy on the left. He knows the code. But to be fair, men socialize in fighting each other, women don't. Boys bond by tearing each other down, yet would fight to the death to protect that same person. Girls don't bond with each other that way. Yes not all. When talking about subjects like this, it is never all, there are always exceptions to the rule. However, that is why there is a rule to begin with.
The youth and naïveté on display here is pretty humorous. Do life with a woman for at least a decade, or longer, and then revisit this subject. You lack perspective that Bill is basing his views on. You’ll get there, don’t worry.
I would disagree that most people are only rational to a certain level. Jim Gaffigan made a great joke about how finding out how crazy and dumb Americans are when covid first hit and then also finding out how many of them are related to us. Orange shirt is idealist and nothing wrong with that, if world had more people like that it probably be a better world. But its a large world and often spectrum of one side will also have the opposite existing as well. Life rarely plays out like a script and roles are not as easily define as we would like them to be. I do enjoy seeing friends being able to have friendly discussion and not just being argumentative.
Thank you for your thoughtful comment! I think a great positive is that even though we disagree on a lot of issues we have a mutual respect for one another. I hope that respectful and rational discourse can become the norm for everyone. I admit that my perspective is filtered through rose colored glasses sometimes but it's easier for me to live that way than start out thinking everyone is only out for themselves. Hope to hear what you have to say on our future videos! - Joe
I paid someone to take care of my children and she pushed my 5 year old down the basement stairs.. No reason ? I was about ready to throw her down the stairs. Lucky for her my wife stepped in .
I'll give you a personal example my ex wife Was upset because I confederate about not making the house payment which causes to lose our house because she spent money on drugs She started advancing on me and I put my hands up on her shoulders to back her off She told the cops I assaulted her although she had no marks on her I spent 10 days in jail not a damn thing happened to her
There is a difference between asking “what happened?” and “what did you do?” If someone broke into your home and murdered your family, it is normal to ask them what happened. It is victim blaming to ask what they did or didn’t do to secure their house. What does that have to do with someone entering their home who had no right to be there and committing murder? Does the fact that maybe they left their door unlocked mean that the murderer had a right to do what he did? No. Asking for details is for information for future reference and prosecutions, etc. Two totally different things. Men ask what happened in regards to domestic violence to see if the woman “deserved it” or if it was justified in their minds. It is NEVER justified. It doesn’t matter what she did. Mind you, I am talking about pure DV, not self-defense. If a woman is hitting a man, him retaliating is self-defense. I am talking about men being annoyed with their girlfriends or even having their gf’s cheat on them. Those do not warrant physical self-defense measures. The guy in the orange is the only one who gets it.
Bill Burr reminds me of the old grumpy grandpa who conveniently brings up American politics at the dinner table on Christmas, everything becomes awkward.
I’m a licensed psychotherapist and I have to say I find your discussion interesting and not what I expected from a reaction vid. Bill Burr is one of my favorite comedians and his bit here is so well done for lots of reasons-great comedic timing and twists from what one expects to name a few. However, if we’re going to treat his bit as serious intellectual inquiry, then the premise “we have to ask questions,” is grossly flawed because we know quite a lot about abuse, the different types of abuse, the reasons tend to follow predictable patterns of behavior, and usually, but not always, abusive personalities precede relationships. It’s usually aligned with personality disorders that emerged from neglect or abuse, and such abusive partners find either other abusive types or people they feel they can manipulate while having needs met. Bill has said many times that his comedy is entertainment and we should remember that. Otherwise, everything falls apart such as Bill’s use of “reason”here does. Bill is assuming that when one says no reason, that this means women or advocates are saying women are blameless in all cases. Quite obviously this is not what’s meant. No reason simply means that regardless of whatever may motivate one towards violent acts-which may feel justifiable, the act itself, however, is unjustified given the whole host of options one usually has to act otherwise and take responsibility for their own actions, which, ironically, agrees with Bill’s overall point. Feeling like one deserves punched is one thing, acting on it is another and that’s the point. No one is saying that there’s no causal chain that leads one or a couple to act as they do. No reason is not ignoring causalities, it’s just not justified to act simply because you feel something. If it is justifiable to act on anything one feels, then god help us all lol. I love this comedy bit, but I can suspend my understanding of these things to watch and enjoy a well done piece of comedy. Comedians are not infallible replacements for research and science. Just enjoy the bit for what is. Just a thought.
Pls let your boy on the right know it's time he returns his man card. Taking verbal abuse from a woman requires you to stay calm? Dude would let his woman cheat, apologize, and repeat. Just call him The Conditioner.
The guy in the orange has issues. I am a wife, mother. I tried believe don't dish anything out you can't take. He lives in a fantasy world. It's bullshit! I agree with the guy in the black shirt. If you can leave, do so, but a lot of times he's right they won't you leave. I don't believe in violence, but damn she needs to be accountable. I've seen guys trying to walk away, and she is hitting him and trying to trip him while she is belittling him. So, each situation is different. Dude in orange, I call bullshit!
I'm going to play devil's advocate.
If a 150 lb man is tormenting a 245 man, and gets his butt handed to him, we say "Yeah, he deserved that. I hope he learned a lesson."
Why doesn't the same hold true when a woman throws fists?
Double standard. Same reason a promiscuous man is a hero but a promiscuous woman is a whore.
You guys, no offense, are the oddest group of reactors I've found. You all have very different vibes and personalities. I like it. You got a new subscriber.
Hahaha thats kind of what we're going for! Thanks for the sub! - Joe
😅 I feel the same. I also subscribed 🥰
I've known women who argue like that and men, Im telling you not every woman is like that. Get a woman who doesn't say shit she doesnt mean when she's angry, get a woman who doesn't belittle you in the heat of an argument. You don't deserve that emotional abuse.
As a woman, I know that this is true. I think women are taking advantage of that "Don't hit women". And yet we see so many women being physical. And the excuse is she had to put up with so much stuff she snapped. I know women who are physically and emotionally abusive. And they get away with it. They know what button to push.
Any woman who is disrespectful to their man, is not a woman that any Man should have more than one date with...but we are Men, and we were taught to be respectful to women. Always.
I'm literally in a legal battle I will probably lose right now, because I was with a woman who physically abused me for almost a year and a half. I got tired of it and smacked her clean across the face. Her literally punching me in the face, groin, guts, clawing me leaving marks over 65% of my body, also already having been arrested before for beating the crap out of me, and I'm the one who got arrested and am going to court because she had a bloody lip. No one ever gives a shit about the guys position. Even the "justice" system.
I feel for ya man, I truly do, I came super close to almost the same thing, the gal wasn't quite that physical with me, more pushing and slapping, but definitely acts that I would have gone to jail for if I did to her. I got lucky though, before she ever succeeded in pushing that button (I'd like to think I don't have that button, but one never knows the depths people can sink to in order to hurt you), she broke up with me, and the reason was, and I quote, "If you really loved me you'd hit me, you're a pussy".
WHEW!! Fucked up future averted. In all honestly I found out later a little more insight on how messed up her childhood was, so my actual hope is that she found help dealing with all that and can someday be at peace with her inner demons.
That's what makes your whole situation sad on all accounts, and I by no means am taking up for the bitch that abused you, but looking at it from a societal perspective, I'm sure she got the shit beat out of her on a regular basis at some point in her life. The fact that having a penis makes you guilty in many scenarios when it comes to the law, is a very shitty thing indeed, but look at how far back in our species history, and currently in many parts of the world, where abuse or hitting of women was just a "god given right" of men, or even in this country, it wasn't that long ago, if a woman got raped or beaten, even a guys own daughter, they were chastised for being out too late, wearing slutty clothes, told they were asking for it. I know that doesn't make your situation any better, I just think after so long a time, of discounting women, the knee jerk caused the pendulum to swing a little too far the other way. Either way, good luck, I really hope you get a good judge and a fair trial.
Look she should go to jail for what she did. It's bullshit. She was wrong. Here's why you don't hit a woman unless she is specialized in MMA fighting or martial arts don't hit a woman why because she can break your nose but you can kill her with the same punch! Her strength is no match for yours. I understood this while watching the tv show Cops. The woman and man got drunk and cops were called out there all the time but this one time the woman was drunk and came at her guy he kicked her in the sternum it broke and went right into her heart killing her. The COPS came out and asked him what happened, "Well stupid finally did it, she came at me and I kicked her." The cops and later EMTs tried to revive her but it was later revealed that her heart was pierced. She was dead.
@@talco881 .... But there are plenty of women that are stronger than certain men. Yes on average men are stronger, and the strongest man in the world is stronger than the strongest woman, I get it. I think the reason you don't hit woman, should be the same reason you don't hit another man, because we are intelligent creatures, and we need to try an resolve our differences with words, not violence. I realize that's a pipe dream, as far as everyone never fighting again, but we talking philosophical or in theory, right...lol
Wow sorry that happened to you.
Hopefully you have learned to not give someone so disrespectful and with such volatile behavior so many chances , please next time do not stay. Run
Good luck
@@CorinnaD Fortunately, I won that case. As I said, there was overwhelming evidence of regular physical abuse coming from her and she didn't even deny it in trial. The last laugh she got though was putting me through a year of prejudice from society due to the alleged charges, and that the courts let her off of her previous charges due to her becoming a "victim". So I never got any closure for the actual abuse I went through and she got to walk away Scott free.
As a woman, I have to say that I firmly believe that the moment partners throw insults or bring up weaknesses as a personal attack to have the last word, it is a fact that all care and respect is gone. The relationship is unhealthy when it becomes easy and tempting to cause pain of any type. Love is patient, kind and grateful even during disagreements.
I definitely can get behind that way of thinking.
Once a couple starts to fling personal insults and and weaknesses, the genie is out of the bottle. That kind of damage is rarely overcome.
how long you been married?
I understand what you're saying but I don't believe insulting someone you love means that you don't respect them. It often means both parties got way too emotional & irrational & at the time, wanted to hurt each other. I used to get that way a long time ago with boys, friends & family. I hadn't lost respect, I was hurt, lashing out & not thinking clearly.
Exactly
A woman will punch a guy in the face and then just stand there like... What? She won't even put a guard up... Why? because she's not expecting the guy to have the balls to hit her back because "she's a girl". That's what she's grown up to be taught... men shouldn't hit women. The arrogance behind that is incredible... So "equality" doesn't really mean equal then right? They want all the good things of being a man but none of the bad... as a guy, if you punch another guy, you best be putting a guard up because he's not just going to stand there and take it. How about nobody hits anybody? How about that? But... if anybody hits someone else they can expect to get hit back, how bout that?
I know some women would. Just like we know some men that will beat their wives for no reason. I would be hesitant to lump in a whole group together in response to a few bad apples. Thanks for the comment! - Joe
🦋 In his perfect world, getting both sides of the story makes sense. Until you’re one of those people that your side of the story is never listen to for many different reasons gender, culture, color of your skin, just the name a few. In defense of him he’s coming from his experience in life but he doesn’t realize that that’s not everybody else’s experience or at least that’s how it seems that he’s thinking.
Bill Burr is one of my favorite philosophers, and his take on arguing is seriously good advice.
Ok, as Mrs. Doc here, I will chime in on this topic and say there are certin situations that may come up when hittig back would be appropiriate. Example: You are a dad shopping in a store with your child and some woman gets agressive towards your child, (for some dumb reason only they know), then, is the time it warrants a hands on response. To protect yourself or family from harm is a gloves off situation. Say your on a bus and some able bodied woman demands you give her your seat and gets agressive and threatening about it with words and physical action, then once she lays a hand on you, (say she slaps you), she just gave up her right to be treated decently. These days there are more of them out there than their used to be...they are called Karens. lol
When dude in the back asked is that why some men leave and go get milk, that went over they heads imo
😂Like I Had Said many Times Before:
HE Has More RIGHT to Beat On HER, Than She Attacks HIM! 😅
Which Got Many
SEE/You/In/Teas Squawking! ❤
And, They Start Yelling,
VIOLENCE IS WRONG! 😢 ¡YES, So No One May Be Violent To Anybody Else! 😮
I believe if a man or woman chooses to be the physical abuser or the abused...time for some serious therapy. A person needs to leave the relationship, man or woman.
no reason? what if a female tries to physically hurt me or my child?
there's a story of a female dentist who removed all of her ex boyfriend's teeth out of spite
some females out there pick fights with guys intentionally abusing the "men can't hit women" rule
it's like Bill said, there are plenty of reasons (hypothetically) but you just don't do it
so what about men who haven't learned to express themselves verbally and control their emotions, because its very important.
@@asimskentzos9231 It works both ways - what about women, who haven't learned to express themselves verbally and control their emotions, so that they wouldn't provoke those men?...it works both ways honey, it's not a one way ride!...
If a woman physically attacks me she is an enemy combatant. I have no problems defending myself from a woman. She will not get special treatment.
Lol I looked up the story and apparently it’s a hoax. But the sad part is it’s believable as hell. I mean when there are multiple stories across the world including in the US of women cuttings guys dick off and other women cheer it…f’d up.
@@asimskentzos9231 all men are raised by women. Why are women raising men like this?
Big guy says to just get both sides of the story. The problem is, what if someone is lying? What if the woman is lying, what if the woman is the abuser, and everyone treats the man like garage, until the truth comes out? What happened to Johnny Depp is a prime example of this.
There's always a reason to hit a woman, there's always is a reason to hit or kill anyone wronging you, and some really deserve it. What I really hate about society, or at the very least, parts of the U.S., where self-defense is being shamed. Environments like that, train & worsen evil people. Bullies say & do horrible things to innocent people, then pretend to be the victim, when the real victim says or does anything in retaliation.
Relying on authorities or society, over yourself, is what makes greedy and evil people more entitled, more bold, and worse, because they're expecting you not to fight back. And when seconds count, those pests & gang-members known as police, are minutes away. And even if they do show up, they don't know who the F to believe, so they just send you both your separate ways. Real victim fuming, still wronged, even lost something, and the bully, walking away smirking, or if they are manipulative enough, they get the cops, stupid vigilantes, and judges on their side, to add to the real victims suffering, for the bullies gain or amusement.
This why, this is why, anyone who wants to rob, violate, kill, or bully me in person I fight them tooth & nail. And it doesn't matter if they are weaker then me, it just means I get to defend myself & mine quicker.
Wicked people keep harming & cheating the innocent, because they think they can get away with it. And if you don't fight back, they likely will. There is the argument to be made, to kill certain people in self-defense, if you can get away with it, because this society & system doesn't fix or exterminate truly vile people, again, it makes them worse. Basically kill & eat them, loot their corpse, disappear from the scene, and if the scene your home, then quietly kill & destroy their body. There is no point getting the police involved.
Evil people of any gender, try to degrade your life. Whether or not you fight back, you lose. You either let them have their way with you and your things, or, you defend you & yours, then have those degenerates replaced by other degenerates called police, vigilantes, lawyers, judges, and news stations. It is pointless being merciful, and playing by society's rules.
So I say, secretly defend & avenge yourself, and if you can, do the world a service. Anyone who willing, and frequently harms & cheats the innocent, without remorse, deserves to suffer, deserves to be disfigured & crippled. If they don't change, then they deserve to die.
I isolate myself, not only because I'm happier alone, but also because Its hard for someone to use & abuse you, if you don't let them deep in your life to begin with. And some stranger invades your life, then it's much easier to get them out of it, no connections, be it ending them on the street, defending yourself and getting away from there, or deleting their trespassing body in your home.
Joe is right…. It is ok to ask questions….. it’s the way we ask and how we respond to others that counts. The environment has to be one where both parties can express themselves honestly. But, to Joe’s point, if we cannot discuss our differences and our own insecurities and weaknesses that cause us to act out in a negative way, we cannot ever get to the real root of our individual problems, and the issues between us, we can never solve them.
The moment anyone uses the trust you may have given them, or what they know about you to hurt you, that's when you know they are very likely to be toxic and not the right person to be around
I am sorry, but speaking as a woman, I most certainly cannot respect a man who will allow me to verbally disrespect him and treat him like crap, as Joe (Peach Shirt) is advocating that men should do, just to keep the peace. People, men or women, will treat you how you allow them to, and if you act like a doormat or a simp, they will treat you as such and you have no one else to blame but yourself. As soon as someone crosses the line, you immediately establish a boundary and let them know that you will never tolerate being treated in such a manner again, and if he or she refuses to rectify their disrespectful or antagonistic behaviour, you leave. It is that simple. Know your worth and avoid unnecessary headaches and heartaches.
Your comment is right on point...If you allow people to treat you badly then you need to find out what is wrong with you if you allow that to continue...and the best thing to do it leave if it does not stop.
Never tell a woman that she hurt you with what she said. You can say that what she said was unnecessary. A woman, no matter what she says in response to, “you hurt me” will never see you as strong.
You're generalizing, though. Women are not clones. We don't have a hive-mind. Not all men, not all women. We're all just people
@@notevenlistening6072 - That has been what I’ve seen. But you’re right., I should not generalize. Let’s just say, most women I know.
Nothing worse than listening to a Mary. Man in orange is what men call a MARY.
Dude in the orange, I've noticed it in a few videos,...man, I really hope you find the right one, I hope you do. It can be a cold world out there, chivalry isn't dead, best of luck.
You don’t have to suck it up and take abuse though……. Your strategy of coming back later to discuss her attacks, is spot on. It’s the emotional responses in the moment that can cause the most damage. ❤
My guy on the left in the t-shirt…you nailed it. You’ve got a grown man understanding.
i believe he's the eldest of the group. one of them mentioned he's in his 40s
@@josephclay7315wow. Well good for him.
Absolutely no sarcasm here - I want Orange Guy's life. I mean, if his personal experiences made him feel like it's okay to ask and there's no yelling at him involved - give me this. Don't know where you ppl live, but nowhere I've ever lived was like that.
Typically men prefer to solve problems and women want her emotions validated (simplistically).
A question is just like a tool you use to dig deeper. Questions are not meant to be insulting or anything. It's simply questioning to know. If they don't want u to question them then there's something suspicious going on. Lol
Thats exactly what I was trying to get at! When we ask questions it should be with pure intent but at the same time if the other party really wanted to fix the issues they should have no problem answering. -Joe
Yep guy in Orange shirt will learn, .simp much.? Lost track of how funny bill is.!❤
Hahaha thank you for the concern! - Joe
Dude in orange is too kind and will slowly adjust his whole being in favor of his girl staying happy with him, until she gets bored and dumps him for a more exciting version. In my humble opinion/ point of view
I think keeping the relationship exciting and fresh is a challenge in itself! I think you make a good point about changing oneself for someone else. The right woman will want you to change for the better and not for her. Anyone who does just for their own personal preferences may not be worth sticking around for because ultimately there are compatibility issues there. Thank you for the comment and let me know what you think! - Joe
@@typadudes hi Joe, thank you for taking your time to reply to me. Very much appreciated 🙏 . You know the things you discuss with DT , I am so used to DT's POV, that your view on the several points you two talk about, actually the decent, proper norms and values thoughts, caught me off guard lol! I totally see and recognize what and where you come from with your vision. But , even though in my 50s now, DT's approach is way more exciting and is how I went through life so far. At the moment I watched your vids yesterday, you came across as super boring and polite. Which is not a bad thing btw, don't get me wrong please. It was an eye opener for me and I forgotten completely that some have a total different approach , which can be just as good in the end.
@@mickkalshoven5 Thanks for the really thoughtful reply Mick! Yeah I probably should have done a better job at specifying the caviats for treating others like that. Obviously if you find a woman who isnt deserving of your time, effort, commitment then you should stay away from her. However my view is that at least in the beginning you should always give people the benefit of the doubt, treat everyone with kindness and respect and always be hopeful for the best possible outcome. I'm a true believer in "get back what you give out." I really appreciate your perspective though and realize that different ways work for different people. Thank you for the comment and hope to hear back from you soon! - Joe
Blue pill!
a question is a question. what happened , it is not a leading question. i watch alot of legal shæt.
CLR Bruce Rivers and LegalEagle ,, here on YT
I'm an old broad now (not sure how that happened), and as I listen to the three of you talk it makes my heart happy. I think you get it. :)
We aren't men. Men can fall back on physicality when all else fails. Women? We're nasty and great at mental guerilla warfare. It's how we keep each other in line. It's not pretty. It's just the truth. I've been married 31 years, and I married a man strong enough to weather my storms and steer us through them when I can't, who makes me feel loved and secure. He married a woman that respects him, is fiercely loyal, puts him first, and can cook her ass off. If you haven't found yours already, I pray you do. +Subscribe.
Thank you for your insightful comment! I think what you have found is what we all are trying to find! I don't think being cynical or letting my negative experience dictate how I view future possible relationships is the right way to go. Thank you so much for the sub! - Joe
@typadudes no disrespect, it's always about them the gals, but less about us guy. How is it fair a woman to hit us, which makes it wrong, then she should be held accountable for putting her hands on a guy if the guy didn't do anything, which makes her the aggressor.
I'm with DT on this. Don't matter who you are. Man woman or other. What matters is how much damage you might inflict. No one should hit anyone regardless of gender and a man has a right not to take abuse just like the woman has the same right. Equality goes both ways
your boy is speaking facts . Its not easy sometimes look at johnny depp and amber turd
Not all situations are that black and white... just because the guy in the orange shirt has been in a situation where he got to ask both sides does not mean they are all like that.
Sadly cops don't care, you did it. Unless she stabbed you first. Then you both go to jail.
Lol
Came here for the reaction but end up in a free couple's therapy I feel like
You should hear some of the conversations we have in private. They're really interesting and we get into some deep personal topics, talk about couples therapy! - Joe
@@typadudes well damn 😂😂
Lol
I have a sister who loves playing the victim. With her now ex spouse, it was NEVER her fault. Her friends AND even strangers never heard about the shit she did in the marriage. Years of crap!
I do believe that as a woman, if she hits a man first, then she should expect a smack back. If she doesn't want to get hit, then she needs to learn to keep her hands to herself
you should find the carlin piece about the pussification of america
I have seen a clip of that in the past! Think it would be a great clip to discuss - Joe
Violence needs to stay out of a relationship. Easier said than done. I'm a single 60 yr old woman, no kids because of stuff that happened in my childhood, not because I'm a feminist, because I'm not. I resolved to break the cycle of abuse, so I never married or had a boyfriend. I've had therapy, but if I ever found a man I wanted to spend the rest of my life with, I'd have to get more therapy. I can function in society, don't drink alcohol, have hobbies, but I'm also an introvert, so not interested in the social scene. I have much respect for couples who make relationships work.
How's you copying with life alone at 60 ? Hope you're okay tho
@@francissikazwe3237 I'm doing okay, ty. My sister has 5 kids. Life is good.
Interesting, but it seems Mr. Jo isn't aware of all those women's incarceration facilities throughout the world. Believe it or not, there are a number of times, and "I've been in such situations" where being a woman has absolutely nothing to do with it. Sure, if you aren't dealing with an impaired, psychotics or just outright violent woman in the first place, there may be that option of de-escalating or removing yourself from the situation. Reality doesn't always play well with one's perception on how the world 'should' be. Have a chat with some emergency services folks, particularly the law enforcement and ER/EMT members. I'm sure they can provide a few stories that'll likely surprise you on just how far things can get off track. You also may see some information regarding a few men who had to resort to getting restraining orders to try and stay safe from some of those 'defenseless' women. That also doesn't even address the growing community of those women, who weren't always a woman.
I think everyone can agree that it's best to try and de-escalate disputes, or have that 'walk away' option available. Almost everyone would get on board with having a peaceful resolution to any disagreement. It also helps to work on one's communication skills to increase that option with better chances of a preferred outcome.
The only reason you should hit a woman is out of self defense. But the thing that gets annoying is women think they can just go around hitting men for stupid shit. Everyone just assumes that "man hits woman = abuse" when I've seen so many videos of women throwing punches like crazy at men and starting fights until the guy finally snaps and defends himself. For example, I'm a KU fan and I remember when everyone was ready to cancel Carlton Bragg because his ex GF accused him of pushing her down the stairs. Then the footage from the hallway camera came out showing her frantically punching him and all he did was push her off him and she went flying down the stairs.
Omg...DT lol. Can't believe I see you here. I thought it was a look alike. I subscribed to both of your other channels since you first discovered kpop. I'm so happy right now cuz I'm also a Bill fan
I gotta say, I am a very chill person. I am very rarely taking part in arguments or fights, and I usually just let it happen, think nothing about it, and confront them later or the next day. And what I have learned is, that most women (or even people in general), are very apologetic about it then. They realize that they have said things that were totally not okay, apologize, sometimes even try to make it up, and often even adjust their behaviour to not let it happen again. So I think I this is the best approach to handling fights with people you know. But, there are always people that dont accept you not taking part in the fight they clearly wanna have, and often they get physical. Which is a good think imo, because then you know to get away from that person. Relationship, friendship, anything. If somebody is willing to physically hurt me, successful or not, it is not a person that you want in your life.
I think the problem isn't about questioning. because we can argue in some cases against women that some men don't always question either. I think it boils down to assumptions. The problem is that there are some groups of women, and indeed men as a matter of fact, who just blindly assume that under no circumstance whatsoever should anybody question what happened when a violent act is committed against a women, but will not extend that same courtesy or staunch opposition to such questioning if it were a woman committing a violent act on a man. That is where the problem lies. It's not about arguing that violence against women shouldn't be taken as seriously or condoned simply because violence against men by women isn't taken seriously or falsely justified, it is about not accepting any form of violence in any relationship and not using gender as a dis qualifier for taking somebody seriously.
That being said, I wouldn't hold out much hope, because I fear the trend will be as it always is. Women are more likely to stand up for women when they are a victim of male abuse and violence and Men are more likely to stand up for men when they are the victim of abuse or violence from women. And both are apathetic to the exceptions. Bros before Hoes, Chicks before Dicks. that's what makes the world go round.
The difficulty of “rolling with resistance”
I'm interested to see what y'all got to say about, T Sleeveless "Teach a boy to cry" spoken word. This guy out of Philly got something to teach everyone, in a short time. Gotta check it out.
Man or woman, if you Ever bring up sensitive stuff to make your partner feel bad about themselves or to hurt them that means that You Do Not Love That Person...that is a really cruel crappy thing to do. And if a person stays with a person who does this to you, then you need to find out what is wrong with You and why you stay with a person that low. And to hell with "but I love them"...get help if that's you.
Not sure that I'm behind the idea that a man has to take hurtful comments and not react and just take it out at the gym or on the basketball court later IF you're also saying it's perfectly fine for a woman to lash out unfairly and hurtfully and have a tantrum whenever she wants, including physical violence. That's how you end up with "pussy-whipped" men and husbands. Ever seen that elderly couple that has been together forever and the woman still nags or talks a mile a minute and the man is just sort of resigned and quiet? That is the "happy wife, happy life" attitude that I'm not on board with. That is just the husband giving up on his own rights, desires and happiness. I am just against double standards. It should be "happy couple, happy life" or "mutual respect, happy life". If you still subscribe to the old way of thinking where the woman is right and is always given the benefit of the doubt no matter what, then women can't complain about equal rights or some of the advantages men have in society. You have to decide if you want traditional roles or "fair" roles.
Orange shirt needs to sit out every comedy reaction. We can see what typa dude he is.
Thanks for your response! Could you explain further why you support censorship? - Joe
Gentleman in Orange shirt is right in order to form a fair opinion you must question all parties involved. The truth can withstand a line of questioning.
What is that device on the right hand side of the video on the desk? For some reason it caught my eye and I spent most of the vid trying to work out exactly what it is lol I'm thinking some kind of volume control but I'm probably incorrect.
I was raised in a violent home, unfortunately, my brother was the kind that would go home and just beat on his girlfriend. No reason, I witnessed it. She had cleaned the house, finished work, cooked dinner and we were chatting as he arrived. He walked in checked what she cooked, threw it across the dining room and started beating on her. So, there are punks that do that without a reason. But yes, there are women that do push buttons just to get a reaction. However, Bill is just emphasising that some women do give a reason for a man to hit her. But this doesn't mean a man should hit her. (My opinion only)
That’s kind of ignoring the fact that women can be punks too. It totally proves the point in Bills statement. Women can be a little mean but guys are all abusers. Wow.
@@coachjro7538She didn’t say that. You’re putting words in her mouth. In cases of constant physical abuse, the person is abusive due to being raised in an abusive home. It has nothing to do with the partner.
You can ask questions, but I think Bill is saying why the authorities assume the man is in the wrong in manhandling a woman, and not ask the man questions as to what happened. So, the first instance of judgement is that the man is always in the wrong; it's automatic, and Bill's conversation is why? Like he said, don't hit a woman, but don't say there's no reason to hit a woman, because there are reasons.
Yeah. It’s “Believe All Women!” & don’t ask questions. A woman can accuse a guy of sexual assault & usually there is no due process for the guy in terms of losing his job, or scholarship, or whatever.
If a woman says she was assaulted, she should be taken seriously & with respect, as if what she’s saying MAY be true. But if her claim is treated as though it’s already a proven fact then that makes the guy she’s accusing automatically guilty. Obviously, some guys are NOT guilty, & their rights must be protected too.
Case in point: The 2006 Duke Lacrosse case in which 3 players were falsely accused of rape. They were expelled from school; their faces were all over the news; they were called rapists & racists for a year; their lives were destroyed for an entire year until it became clear that it was all fabricated. Then all charges were dropped. And the guys are expected to just move on? It’s crazy. Innocent until proven guilty has been forgotten.
The woman in the audience said: "It's her right." Meaning, women should not be held accountable for their own actions.
That is not a woman I would personally date - Joe
I don't know what she's talking about lol
One of the benefits of growing up when bullying was common is that after school, anything anyone verbally says to you is nothing compared to being young, full of hormones, constantly thrown in new situations and harassed by classmates, teachers, and even family. Thick skin is underestimated.
A murderous serial killer, male or female..........hit em.
This video was a month old so I don't know if you read comments once they get past a certain age but just in case That you do. Then I just want to say the big guy on the right with the big ears is really not representing the majority of real men. His comments lead me to look at him more as a male feminist which of course are becoming more more lately. It seems to make the female argument in terms of ethylene's and of it though it's feelings and who controls things but the stuff he says would. Be great if they were coming from a woman but other than that he's really lost certain level of masculinity.
Hey there Brad! You're absolutely right! I consider myself a classical feminist! Thanks for the comment! - Joe
Really good discussion you guys!
New to your channel! Great content. The guy in the black t-shirt is totally bang-on...I can say that as a woman! Thank you for the video!
Thank you for the comment! Hope to hear what you have to say in future videos! - Joe
I won’t lie dude in orange needs more life experience. He’s talking as if women are typically as understanding and open to hearing the truth. I tell my finance things I don’t appreciate and have a genuine communication about it and she’ll still end up doing it. Talking about things doesn’t work when most don’t want to listen.
I'm sorry you have that experience. I unfortunately have experienced both situations and end up leaving if they don't come around to some kid of compromise. Anything less would show disrespect. Thanks for the comment! I saw that you commented on our other videos too! Keep it up, I like hearing what you have to say!
@@typadudes yeah being young and lacking confidence and self respect can lead to women just walking over you. I’ve definitely grown to not allow things and I don’t hesitate to set boundaries but I do think some people have to go through it to learn and some people are capable of just doing it. Good luck on your endeavors and glad to hear from you guys I like the interaction.👍🏽
Then leave. If your communication styles are that different then you have no business being together. What is the point of staying and being frustrated with not being listened to?
I am a woman & although I don't agree that women in general just want attention & sympathy...I do understand to an extent what he's saying. In my opinion, it's like hate, or men crying & many other things. It's because as a society we've been taught that it's just plain wrong so the majority of people feel there is No reason to ask questions. I however, think that Bill & so many other comics are wiser than most & they just make it easier to digest. You should & we should all be able to ask questions... especially when it's a one time thing. If it's constant, there are bigger problems.
Oh & I forgot. There are never 2 sides to a story...there is his, mine & the truth. Everyone sees there own side a bit different than say...if it were recorded. Our memories tend to be a bit one sided.
11:00 the guy on the left is mos def on point. If it is any help, I believe you young guys have to be even more careful. Society has over corrected way too hard. My gen was super lucky, sweet spot in the 90's/00's. Girls and guys got along and called out bad behavior without creating twitter careers and hashtags.
I love the common sense and respect the dude in the orange has not just for women but everyone!! Thank you it is refreshing!!!
The guy in orange didn't get it did he ??? The point is people just say "I don't care what she did there's no reason to raise your hands against a woman"
"I'd ask questions". No he fc*king wouldn't lmao. The sort of thing people say when they have no experience or skin in the game.
I love Bill Burr and I really love people’s first time reactions to him. That said, it was extremely hard to listen to your conversation. You all looked horrified with what Bill was saying and you sounded like dudes who take a lot from your women, in ways that you shouldn’t. The listen to me, don’t try to fix me discussion is not the one Bill is talking about. Why do you have to take it? Suck it up? Whatever? Women are trying to turn men into girlfriends and not mates. A woman who loves and respects you will never deliberately push your buttons. This is a control issue. I say RUN! 😂
His wife gets him...she's black and they've been together over 15 years!!!!!😀❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Orange dude has no clue. I feel bad for you brother. Good luck with women
Thank you for the concern! I think we all need a bit of luck in our lives don't we? - Joe
I just watched your Bill Burr lotion video and you said you need a white friend... and look.. a white friend...lol. There's no reason to hit... in either direction. Men should not accept that getting slapped in the face (or worse) is ok. If that's happening, the relationship is toxic - just leave. BUT... if you have kids, you don't just leave and never look back. If you aren't worried about the kids safety go... and text a message where your going. If you aren't sure about the kids safety call her mom, her friend, her person... and have them go to her so you know the kids are ok. If you try and take the kids it'll just get bad fast. Just remember, the kids are already hearing everything.
We’re here to enjoy your first time reaction to something we’ve already seen and enjoyed in order to relive that experience with someone else. The condescending woke political lecture about what we need to understand about things we all understand in a much more realistic fashion than yourself is a bit taxing to sit through. A real-time shared laugh with your viewer’s would garner allot more likes!
This should be Orange shirts last Bill Burr reaction
Oh boy, wait until you see what released after this. Thanks for the comment!! - Joe
Dude on the right as I look at this, the left as it was filmed seems just a little too in tune with his feminine side. Bill was really clear in what he said, but this guy is squishy, just like my daughter when I showed this to her.
16k views and 600 subs? man why y'all hating on these boys.anyway lemme sub n enjoy.
I like your discussion on the topic
Thank you for the comment! Hope to hear what you have to say in future videos! - Joe
And then, after they've screamed all their hurtful shit, you leave them because they aren't worth your time. They have shown that they have no concern for you, all they want is to get their way and you are meaningless.
🦋 Great job. Very interesting. What might be fun if you guys reacting to your reaction to this video that pretty much says it all.
Great idea! HAHA - joe
What you need to say is , the truth hurts regardless of who is fault it is .
9:25min >Orange dude's nuts haven't dropped!
How do you know I even have them? - Joe
When they don't let you leave and are in your face going crazy how long can you take it is what it comes down to which sucks when a walk or a workout would be more than sufficient in calming down sometimes they see red . Here's a few reasons I've seen cheated and had guys sign under the mattress then set my car in fire while I was dealing with that she cut the back of all my pants and draws and stole my money and atm card and some where in there tried to stab me and hit me with a boom box with a broken antenna hid my keys deleted a message from work because my assistant was a girl and the message was I needed a light over because ours just fell out of the ceiling and I had an inspection at 7am and they closed in 30 min by the time I found out 3 hours later I tried to call the cops she cut the phone cord in half that was before cell phones while I was looking for my keys she hid my shoes and the whole time I was just trying to go calm down after they closed and was no way to get a cover before my inspection the whole time she was in my face going crazy and telling me to give her a kiss not like that mean it I made it 3.5 hours before pushing her into the couch and running down the street with no shirt no keys one shoe a knife wound and a hole in my shoulder she ran next door and used their phone called the cops and said I hit and choked her they arrested me not her and I was sent to jail missed my inspection and got fired that whole time I was in jail and they said I was guilty for pushing her into the couch and running away but her nothing for 3.5 hours of attacking and going crazy . I sat in jail for ten days before getting out to an empty apartment with an eviction notice my one car burned to what they said was worth less than 35 bucks the other had no battery and 4 flat tires and broken windshield I still feel that was worth a shot or two especially since it's in my record as I'm a violent crazy guy for running away after 3.5 hours I have many more stories I clouding a big girl raping me after kidnapping me and one attacking me while I was at work for several hours after knocking over a customer and jumping over the counter and wouldn't let me off the wall I was pinned against to talk to the pissed off customer that was knocked clearly off her feet and wanted to speak with the manager which was me again I finally ran away again she chased me and a car cut me off and she got me and went crazy there's some reasons is all I'm saying and I have seen lots of them
Watched the philly rant yet? That’s the one to watch from bill
As a 50yr old lady, imho as per my life experience. Never hit a woman, but also in penalty phase of trial or whatever go easier on the guy who was goaded in to it.
And Rhianna situation, if you think nothing happened prior and he just hit her, you're crazy! Remember, they were very young he was 19, and she was 22, I think!
The dude in the peach shirt is a male feminist.
Yes I am! Also thank you for calling it peach! - Joe
Nothing wrong with that
You should NEVER hit another person. Period.
Why do reactors feel the need to turn Bill's comedy into an episode of the View.
Why do i get this feeling the the dude in the peach color shirt will either A be P whipped , B Be used abused and stepped on, or. C all the above
Why is D: None of the above not an option? - Joe?
@@typadudes At the end he seems like a nice guy but they always finish last and one or both will happen to him first from what i see. Yes we have to be protective of our partners but the way he sounds really. The guy on the left say no we can't do that to rolling her up in the yoga mat and making her sit behind the couch and think about it. We here about equality when they only want the good stuff and sitting on our hands isn't going to help anyone
The guys talking about victim blaming is talking about media talk and online talk the guy saying of course ask questions is talking about real world interpersonal relationships with people you know, completely different scenarios. That's why you're both right.
Thanks for the comment! Yeah I agree, I think there is a lot of victim blaming that goes around but its also important to get to the bottom of things. Unfortunately the way the media portrays things a lot of the time isnt reality. So its really situational. - Joe
@@typadudes I don't like the assumption that all women are good, I've met beautiful monsters heard them tell me the monstrous things they've done. Have a good one.
@@sketchtherapy1218 I think the assumption I always work with initially is that everyone is good until they prove to me otherwise. I really do understand your perspective though! Thank you for your comment! - Joe
@@typadudes I assume everyone is evil till they prove otherwise, I just don't act on it. i never ascribe to confusion or lack of intellect what can be explained by malice. Especially if tied in any way shape or form to news channels.
@@sketchtherapy1218 Thats a really interesting perspective because you're starting from a place where you think people are smarter than they let on. I unfortunately do not have THAT positive of a view of humanity. - Joe
It’s comedy guys, you are allowed to laugh. If viewers don’t like it they can check out another video. I’m a woman and I find this hilarious.
23:00 See, guy on the left. He knows the code. But to be fair, men socialize in fighting each other, women don't. Boys bond by tearing each other down, yet would fight to the death to protect that same person. Girls don't bond with each other that way.
Yes not all. When talking about subjects like this, it is never all, there are always exceptions to the rule.
However, that is why there is a rule to begin with.
Why is the guy in the hood just sitting there saying nothing 😂😂
Watch the video again, brudda. He tries to talk and the other two (mainly the dude with the tats) keep talking over him. It was pretty rude.
"where's the tipping point that made this situation get out hand?" is not misogynist.
"you got a problem with me asking because feminists are allergic to accountability" is.
The youth and naïveté on display here is pretty humorous.
Do life with a woman for at least a decade, or longer, and then revisit this subject. You lack perspective that Bill is basing his views on.
You’ll get there, don’t worry.
I would disagree that most people are only rational to a certain level. Jim Gaffigan made a great joke about how finding out how crazy and dumb Americans are when covid first hit and then also finding out how many of them are related to us. Orange shirt is idealist and nothing wrong with that, if world had more people like that it probably be a better world. But its a large world and often spectrum of one side will also have the opposite existing as well. Life rarely plays out like a script and roles are not as easily define as we would like them to be. I do enjoy seeing friends being able to have friendly discussion and not just being argumentative.
Thank you for your thoughtful comment! I think a great positive is that even though we disagree on a lot of issues we have a mutual respect for one another. I hope that respectful and rational discourse can become the norm for everyone. I admit that my perspective is filtered through rose colored glasses sometimes but it's easier for me to live that way than start out thinking everyone is only out for themselves. Hope to hear what you have to say on our future videos! - Joe
I paid someone to take care of my children and she pushed my 5 year old down the basement stairs.. No reason ? I was about ready to throw her down the stairs. Lucky for her my wife stepped in .
I'll give you a personal example my ex wife Was upset because I confederate about not making the house payment which causes to lose our house because she spent money on drugs She started advancing on me and I put my hands up on her shoulders to back her off She told the cops I assaulted her although she had no marks on her I spent 10 days in jail not a damn thing happened to her
There is a difference between asking “what happened?” and “what did you do?” If someone broke into your home and murdered your family, it is normal to ask them what happened. It is victim blaming to ask what they did or didn’t do to secure their house. What does that have to do with someone entering their home who had no right to be there and committing murder? Does the fact that maybe they left their door unlocked mean that the murderer had a right to do what he did? No. Asking for details is for information for future reference and prosecutions, etc. Two totally different things. Men ask what happened in regards to domestic violence to see if the woman “deserved it” or if it was justified in their minds. It is NEVER justified. It doesn’t matter what she did. Mind you, I am talking about pure DV, not self-defense. If a woman is hitting a man, him retaliating is self-defense. I am talking about men being annoyed with their girlfriends or even having their gf’s cheat on them. Those do not warrant physical self-defense measures. The guy in the orange is the only one who gets it.
Bill Burr reminds me of the old grumpy grandpa who conveniently brings up American politics at the dinner table on Christmas, everything becomes awkward.
I’m a licensed psychotherapist and I have to say I find your discussion interesting and not what I expected from a reaction vid. Bill Burr is one of my favorite comedians and his bit here is so well done for lots of reasons-great comedic timing and twists from what one expects to name a few. However, if we’re going to treat his bit as serious intellectual inquiry, then the premise “we have to ask questions,” is grossly flawed because we know quite a lot about abuse, the different types of abuse, the reasons tend to follow predictable patterns of behavior, and usually, but not always, abusive personalities precede relationships. It’s usually aligned with personality disorders that emerged from neglect or abuse, and such abusive partners find either other abusive types or people they feel they can manipulate while having needs met.
Bill has said many times that his comedy is entertainment and we should remember that. Otherwise, everything falls apart such as Bill’s use of “reason”here does. Bill is assuming that when one says no reason, that this means women or advocates are saying women are blameless in all cases. Quite obviously this is not what’s meant. No reason simply means that regardless of whatever may motivate one towards violent acts-which may feel justifiable, the act itself, however, is unjustified given the whole host of options one usually has to act otherwise and take responsibility for their own actions, which, ironically, agrees with Bill’s overall point.
Feeling like one deserves punched is one thing, acting on it is another and that’s the point. No one is saying that there’s no causal chain that leads one or a couple to act as they do. No reason is not ignoring causalities, it’s just not justified to act simply because you feel something. If it is justifiable to act on anything one feels, then god help us all lol. I love this comedy bit, but I can suspend my understanding of these things to watch and enjoy a well done piece of comedy. Comedians are not infallible replacements for research and science. Just enjoy the bit for what is. Just a thought.
Pls let your boy on the right know it's time he returns his man card. Taking verbal abuse from a woman requires you to stay calm? Dude would let his woman cheat, apologize, and repeat. Just call him The Conditioner.
The guy in the orange has issues. I am a wife, mother. I tried believe don't dish anything out you can't take. He lives in a fantasy world. It's bullshit! I agree with the guy in the black shirt. If you can leave, do so, but a lot of times he's right they won't you leave. I don't believe in violence, but damn she needs to be accountable. I've seen guys trying to walk away, and she is hitting him and trying to trip him while she is belittling him. So, each situation is different. Dude in orange, I call bullshit!