6:35 In the Spanish version of the trailer the enemies lose HP normally so definitely it was some kind of cheat code that kept the enemies at full HP for testing purposes being used
Hooktail's weakness was always frogs in the japanese version, apparently; it was a translation change in the original, but now they've standardized it.
@alex_-yz9to The German version actually picked and chose. It went with the censored English version when it came to Vivian, but almost everything else is closer to the Japanese version.
Rogueport Square looks GORGEOUS. Well, as gorgeous as a grimy, crime-ridden, mafia-run port town can be. Also, the light shining through the Doopliss/Piranha Plant stained-glass window gives me life.
You didn't point it out, but the moon isn't visible on the map shown in the trailer! I'm guessing if that specific change is in the game as well it's like that to make that twist not as easy for new players to guess. The moon always being visible on the original map does kinda give it away.
It is kinda neat how there doesn't seem to be any balancing changes so far, apart from the casino. So like, casual playthroughs will be nearly identical, barring the new music, animations, and probably some different superguard timings.
@@DarkLink1996. you could have 5 enemies in 1 battle in the original. Glitz Pit i think is the first time you see it normally but also some pit of 100 trials battles have 5 enemies too
looking at the battle vs red bones and the glitz pit pokeys from gameplay videos, a very interesting balancing change people haven't talked about more is how they actually made it easier to tell if the character in the Back is getting attacked by those types of enemies(dry bone/pokey types), which's very appreciated only question now is if the parabuzzy/spiky parabuzzy will have an easier tell cuz in the original TTYD on gamecube it was very difficult to tell who they were gonna hit
@@lildepps1534 Simplifiers give you a larger window for action commands, but reduce star power gained. Unsimplifiers do the opposite, reducing the action command window and increasing sp gain.
i've always wondered what limitation was stopping them from having the houses unfold in color splash and tok, since in those games entering houses (or even entering part of a map where the screen doesn't scroll) shows a loading screen. sticker star made more sense considering it's an early 3ds game, but now that has me wondering if houses unfolded in the beta version
@@NitwitsWorld Hey, they actually did pretty well considering what they were handed. If I were told I had to make another Sticker Star, I would have quit on the spot; within those _impossible_ restrictions, the end result was actually shockingly good.
I just don't think they wanted to. TTYD's play aesthetic was a meta thing and is not the same as the full on paper aesthetic which is actually in universe so all the wacky things TTYD does like houses unfolding or the pipe animations simply weren't considered to be things that needed to get carried over. I mean just think about it, in TTYD the house isn't actually unfolding, but if that happened in Origami King it would definitely be something the characters comment on.
Honestly the trailers have abated my concerns that they wouldn't do justice to the original game - definitely looking forward to the expanded soundtrack. Sure there are changes I dislike, but also ones that I do like - as to be expected with any remake really.
I don’t know if you’re covering this in a future video, but some commercials highlighted a new badge in Ms Mowz’s shop called Nostalgic Sounds, it’s one coin, requires 0 bp, and changes the music to the GameCube version
Yep, so many details have finally come out and it's exactly as glorious as I expected, looking forward to the next parts of you two discussing them! 5:04 My guess is that this change is for the sake of accessibility.
I can't wait to see your playthrough of this guys :) will be playing along in my own playthrough!! I've been missing your running series revisiting the GC one because I don't wanna get too saturated before experiencing the remake!
wait, if theyre expanding the ost and adding battle song variations per area... will they add that unused "mario version" song for the boss of chapter 4? if you know, you know lol i dont wanna spoil just in case would be great if it happens lol
As for the attack fx badge that disturbs hooktail, it's a frog in the original japanese too. The reason its a cricket in the west is because its based on a japanese frog whos croak doesn't immediately sound like a frog to western audiences. Instead of changing the sound effect used (maybe they couldnt because of some technical limitation during localization?) they changed the text to say its a cricket instead. I suppose this is unifying the text to be closer to the original script, much like how the Vivian stuff is going with the original script too.
@@4zehorde From some comment I've seen, the baddies were hitting on Goombella too. That was also a thing in the more accurate translation I grew up with.
I’m still shocked that this remake even happened. Us old schoolers of the Paper Mario series had all but given up hope. Looks incredibly faithful minus the frame rate which meh, usually I care about but in this instance I can just deal with it. Only thing that would have made me happier was if they remade Super Paper Mario with TTYD’s battle system….Bleck and Dimentio might actually be imposing that way lol.
Im sure im going to love the game. And will probably be my game of the year but the dialogue changes will be the deciding factor if it is the definition version. At least for me.😅
I also haven't actively caught up with this channel since the TOK playthrough but I think he just wasn't available because he was present for the TTYD Switch reveal video Fatguy did
maybe im just biased but i prefer the artstyle of the original. rogueport should be darker and gloomier, misty woods should be whiteish, and the UI and everything looks too childish (i know it's a kid's game, but still). what do you guys think?
French version in the original is very close to the Japanese one on the translation... So it was always a frog noise badge for hooktail... I guess they want to translate the eng version close to the Japanese one. Also... Vivian is a trans man in the french/japanese version so I think it will be the same in the new remake of the eng version. Maybe it wasn't the case before because of the horrible censorship.
I hope so, but Nintendo are cowards when it comes to trans representation in their own games after they are localized. They either have it completely written out in the localized version (like with TTYD involving Vivian), or they cover it up with taking advantage of localized terms for things (like that one female swimmer Trainer in one of the 3DS Pokemon games saying she used to be a Karate King, the Japanese name for the Blackbelt Trainer class, but when the English version was to be made, they changed the terminology to the localized version, and it just happens that detail is missed because people could see "blackbelt" as if she means the martial arts ranking of skills) I really want Nintendo to retain the details of Vivian being trans, as it'd make so much more sense why her sisters bully her so much, because they are transphobes, utter, scum. We're supposed to hate Vivian's sisters. And Vivian being trans would give us more a reason than before, to hate them, for being transphobic towards her.
Im really really hoping that the timed hits are close to the original. Thats a deal breaker for me. ...i personally cant stand Nintendo's marketing with alot of their recent titles. The announcer, the writing just yuck. But the games are fine. Amazing even. I chose not to get mario wonder solely bc of the trailer.. and found out way later that its amazing. Poor advertising. I really hope Nintendo changes their marketing strategy soon..
Switch TTYD is not a remake, it's a remaster. There's literally zero new content, and people have already shown thru character animations being exact copies and gameplay that Nintendo just updated the old code for Switch. Don't be ignorant and lie about it just cause you're excited, thanks.
No new content? Oh boy, you're not in the know. There's some minor additions and changes. According to the comments here, they added a better fast travel method to cut down backtracking. Backtracking was the worst aspect of TTYD, my favorite Paper Mario game. There's also that purple Toad in Glitzville that was not there in the original TTYD. Some other changes beyond that too. It's a remake, not a remaster. Did you even watch the trailers' footage? There's clearly differences there from the original. I don't lie either, but what I do, is follow logic and reasonable thinking, before impulsive claims. This isn't even me being blind of nostalgia of the original version of TTYD, the evidence is right there! You're the ignorant one
>no new content Okay i guess the new cutscene and battle themes don't exist also the workaround for backtracking doesn't exist, also all the new animations and QoL stuff doesn't exist. do you actually fucking pay attention.
@@xian2themax Because the framerate alone doesn't necesarilly mean anything on its own. If the game is built around the framerate and reaction times less than 1/30th of a second aren't expected, then you won't have an issue. Ocarina of Time is 20FPS. You know the Kingdom Heart games that got the 60FPS treatment? It broke several bosses because they didn't properly change how the upped FPS would affect everything. Raising the FPS hardly enhances the core gameplay.
@@bobosmith101 they wouldn’t be raising the frame rate though? The original paper Mario TTYD on the Gamecube ran at 60fps. They are DROPPING the fps for the remake. THAT is would will mess up timings.
It was annoying watching your bingo video just for how pessimistic you guys were, look at that, new features, tracks etc. Just be more optimistic lol feels good
Judging by the comments here, that seems to be the case. If commenters here are right about that, it helps deal with the worst-paced part of TTYD: General White's quest. You go on a huge wild goose chase trying to find him, only to see after you wasted so much time, that he's back where you left to search for him from
in the original demo of paper mario 2 (paper mario ttyd) the cricket badge was actually frog, with koops "dad" saying hooktail hates insects beginning with "fr" and ending in "og"
i'm not so interested in all the details of the buildings and other objects being simplified to be like crappy paper products. the gallows was a victim of this, but also other things. most noticeably the metal door rings around rogueport have been replaced with what looks like a piece of cardboard with a picture of a door ring on it. very unimpressive.
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If Rawk Hawk gets a fucking screeching eagle as his talking voice I will shit my pants
I fucking love this comment.
lol. I’m just looking forward to his battle remix. Even if it’s not up to snuff, we can still get the GC theme.
‘MURICA!!!!
I can HEAR it
That screech you're thinking of is from a red-tailed hawk.
6:35 In the Spanish version of the trailer the enemies lose HP normally so definitely it was some kind of cheat code that kept the enemies at full HP for testing purposes being used
Hope they standardise the Toad murder scene haha
@@slenderfoxx3797 Well, there's a bunch of paper strewn about where you see the outline in the original game.
Hooktail's weakness was always frogs in the japanese version, apparently; it was a translation change in the original, but now they've standardized it.
Oh wow I had no idea. Interesting! I’m so hoping we get more lore with Hook/Gloom/Bonetail. A family reunion dammit! 😅
Yeah and the American demo even had a different hint that said "Starts wirh Fr and ends with G"
Pretty sure in the german version it was also frogs
@@stefans4751 All the european version say Frog because they didnt use the american version as a base [like how it happened in future games]
@alex_-yz9to
The German version actually picked and chose. It went with the censored English version when it came to Vivian, but almost everything else is closer to the Japanese version.
The new short cut pipe room means no more Flavio outside of where he is supposed to be.
we will find a way goddamnit
Flavio is eternal
The black pill moment I was not expecting
2:08 after multiple games of toads replacing other npcs we see a koopa replacing a toad.
epic
Rogueport Square looks GORGEOUS. Well, as gorgeous as a grimy, crime-ridden, mafia-run port town can be.
Also, the light shining through the Doopliss/Piranha Plant stained-glass window gives me life.
You didn't point it out, but the moon isn't visible on the map shown in the trailer!
I'm guessing if that specific change is in the game as well it's like that to make that twist not as easy for new players to guess. The moon always being visible on the original map does kinda give it away.
That new room with the pipes leading to other chapters is really going to slim down the backtracking.
I'm curious what the yellow and grey block are hiding too
probably the shine sprite and the chest with a badge that were in those rooms
I hope they kept in "The Huge, Mighty King of GUYS WHO TALK TO POSTERS!" line. :)
I'd love if the devs put in a hardmode badge like Bug Fables did, for those who want an extra challenge
After the SMRPG remake, I'm fully expecting an Even Easier Mode instead... it's *clearly* needed x)
It is kinda neat how there doesn't seem to be any balancing changes so far, apart from the casino. So like, casual playthroughs will be nearly identical, barring the new music, animations, and probably some different superguard timings.
I think there can be more enemies per battle. Didn't the trailer show a battle with five?
@@DarkLink1996. you could have 5 enemies in 1 battle in the original. Glitz Pit i think is the first time you see it normally but also some pit of 100 trials battles have 5 enemies too
Im pretty sure you can get 5 goomba’s in petalburg no?
looking at the battle vs red bones and the glitz pit pokeys from gameplay videos,
a very interesting balancing change people haven't talked about more is how they actually made it easier to tell if the character in the Back is getting attacked by those types of enemies(dry bone/pokey types), which's very appreciated
only question now is if the parabuzzy/spiky parabuzzy will have an easier tell
cuz in the original TTYD on gamecube it was very difficult to tell who they were gonna hit
Already preordered mine. Let’s hope it sells incredibly well
It's sold out on Amazon last I heard, so that's a good sign.
@@bitzgames Yup! I got mine on best buy just incase scalpers want to hoard. It’s just to be on the safe side and get a physical copy!
You know, if 3 simplifiers ends up being a thing, I'd love for 3 UNsimplifiers to be around so that you're forced to wear them in your playthrough!
Fatguy would just put all six on and say, "see, I am wearing all three unsimplifiers guys," to troll, knowing him
@@TrouserSnivyAnd I'm all here for it lmaoo
What're these simplifiers you speak of? I'm very confused
@@lildepps1534 Simplifiers give you a larger window for action commands, but reduce star power gained. Unsimplifiers do the opposite, reducing the action command window and increasing sp gain.
@@CiblesPlush So they’re badges that you equip? I don’t remember anything like that in the original but I could be wrong.
Can't wait for people to say pmttydr is their favorite game
But think about it getting so much popularity that they make a part 2 ❤😊
@@courtneycherry5582and then say spmtthdtlas(super paper Mario ttyd two Luigi's saga) is the best
@@courtneycherry5582 super paper mario
And then, in another 10 years, they'll be telling us we have nostalgia goggles again.
TTYD
i've always wondered what limitation was stopping them from having the houses unfold in color splash and tok, since in those games entering houses (or even entering part of a map where the screen doesn't scroll) shows a loading screen. sticker star made more sense considering it's an early 3ds game, but now that has me wondering if houses unfolded in the beta version
Wouldn't surprise me if TOK's environments were already too big to load all the interiors with them. CS has no excuse tho.
@@i-am-linjaI agree plus Color Splash wasn’t good 😅
@@NitwitsWorld Hey, they actually did pretty well considering what they were handed. If I were told I had to make another Sticker Star, I would have quit on the spot; within those _impossible_ restrictions, the end result was actually shockingly good.
@@i-am-linja I guess so
I just don't think they wanted to. TTYD's play aesthetic was a meta thing and is not the same as the full on paper aesthetic which is actually in universe so all the wacky things TTYD does like houses unfolding or the pipe animations simply weren't considered to be things that needed to get carried over.
I mean just think about it, in TTYD the house isn't actually unfolding, but if that happened in Origami King it would definitely be something the characters comment on.
The goombas in the sewer don’t flirt with goombella anymore
Honestly the trailers have abated my concerns that they wouldn't do justice to the original game - definitely looking forward to the expanded soundtrack.
Sure there are changes I dislike, but also ones that I do like - as to be expected with any remake really.
I don’t know if you’re covering this in a future video, but some commercials highlighted a new badge in Ms Mowz’s shop called Nostalgic Sounds, it’s one coin, requires 0 bp, and changes the music to the GameCube version
cool!
Yep, so many details have finally come out and it's exactly as glorious as I expected, looking forward to the next parts of you two discussing them!
5:04 My guess is that this change is for the sake of accessibility.
I can't wait to see your playthrough of this guys :) will be playing along in my own playthrough!! I've been missing your running series revisiting the GC one because I don't wanna get too saturated before experiencing the remake!
wait, if theyre expanding the ost and adding battle song variations per area... will they add that unused "mario version" song for the boss of chapter 4? if you know, you know lol i dont wanna spoil just in case
would be great if it happens lol
Wait what
@@NickMario1 yep! its not known what the song sounds like if they even made it cuz all thats left of the idea is the name entry
source: TCRF
The warp pipe shortcut room and area battle themes are probably the best things they couldve pulled from Origami King
The lighting looks incredible, I wonder how dark and murky twilight trail is going to be now
As for the attack fx badge that disturbs hooktail, it's a frog in the original japanese too. The reason its a cricket in the west is because its based on a japanese frog whos croak doesn't immediately sound like a frog to western audiences. Instead of changing the sound effect used (maybe they couldnt because of some technical limitation during localization?) they changed the text to say its a cricket instead. I suppose this is unifying the text to be closer to the original script, much like how the Vivian stuff is going with the original script too.
I hear the script changed with how Goombella calls out catcallers.
How did that play out in Japanese originally?
@@4zehorde
From some comment I've seen, the baddies were hitting on Goombella too. That was also a thing in the more accurate translation I grew up with.
And the noose is still there😌
I noticed the three simplifiers with the 4 “NICE”s during the power bounce sequence!
did you noitcd new Flurrie blow wall in front of the warp pipe room so you cant speedrun and skip chapter anymore?
I'm all-in for the concept art
I’m still shocked that this remake even happened. Us old schoolers of the Paper Mario series had all but given up hope. Looks incredibly faithful minus the frame rate which meh, usually I care about but in this instance I can just deal with it.
Only thing that would have made me happier was if they remade Super Paper Mario with TTYD’s battle system….Bleck and Dimentio might actually be imposing that way lol.
That would be a dream come true, but I think they should do a new one with the old styles first
It will be good to review the bingo card when all is said and done to see what actually happened.
Do you think they might change some partner abilities? I think that The Shell might need a nerf.
1:16 Yeah, I'd rather those paper puns become just a burning memory.
Man, this is so unfathomably awesome!
This remake keeps looking better and better...shame it's still 30 FPS, though. I know it's nitpicky, but I can't help it.
Many are planning on boycotting it because of the fps...
Fe gamer toad best character. Even in a mario game he won't submit his likes
I hope they Talk about "Banjo Kazooie Animal Crossing"
How’d they not mention the star meter moving? Was it already in an earlier trailer?
Im sure im going to love the game. And will probably be my game of the year but the dialogue changes will be the deciding factor if it is the definition version. At least for me.😅
I need y'all to do a playthrough with Lenny, JD, and Kappy PLEASE
I was waiting for this video after your bingo card lmao
Did they nerf Bobbery's Bob-Ombast? It does 7, when it does 8 in OG.
I think Bulky Bob-ombs just have defense
Does the remake only run at 30FPS?
Didnt preorder Unicorn overlord, didnt get that for 4 weeks. Not making the same mistake here.
Still hoping there is a pipe that leads to mario 64 with these assets or smth
Do you think you can still cheat at lottery wiht system date?
I just vvish the glitz pit in the post game would be challenging.
why is your w two v's
@@goom4689I think they ate their w key
guys i haven’t watched a fatguy video since the TOK playthrough where is Lenny
I also haven't actively caught up with this channel since the TOK playthrough but I think he just wasn't available because he was present for the TTYD Switch reveal video Fatguy did
I was sadly unavailable to join this video, but don't worry I'm still around!
@@Bulldozer4000 yippie!!
maybe im just biased but i prefer the artstyle of the original. rogueport should be darker and gloomier, misty woods should be whiteish, and the UI and everything looks too childish (i know it's a kid's game, but still). what do you guys think?
I completely agree
French version in the original is very close to the Japanese one on the translation...
So it was always a frog noise badge for hooktail... I guess they want to translate the eng version close to the Japanese one.
Also... Vivian is a trans man in the french/japanese version so I think it will be the same in the new remake of the eng version. Maybe it wasn't the case before because of the horrible censorship.
I hope so, but Nintendo are cowards when it comes to trans representation in their own games after they are localized. They either have it completely written out in the localized version (like with TTYD involving Vivian), or they cover it up with taking advantage of localized terms for things (like that one female swimmer Trainer in one of the 3DS Pokemon games saying she used to be a Karate King, the Japanese name for the Blackbelt Trainer class, but when the English version was to be made, they changed the terminology to the localized version, and it just happens that detail is missed because people could see "blackbelt" as if she means the martial arts ranking of skills) I really want Nintendo to retain the details of Vivian being trans, as it'd make so much more sense why her sisters bully her so much, because they are transphobes, utter, scum. We're supposed to hate Vivian's sisters. And Vivian being trans would give us more a reason than before, to hate them, for being transphobic towards her.
*Trans woman
A trans man is someone assigned female at birth, and identifies as male. A trans woman is vice versa.
Just letting you know 👍
paper mario "fans" deserve nothing with how they're treating this miracle remake. I hope they stay In sticker star format purgatory.
You talking about the 30 fps thing?
Im really really hoping that the timed hits are close to the original. Thats a deal breaker for me.
...i personally cant stand Nintendo's marketing with alot of their recent titles. The announcer, the writing just yuck. But the games are fine. Amazing even. I chose not to get mario wonder solely bc of the trailer.. and found out way later that its amazing.
Poor advertising. I really hope Nintendo changes their marketing strategy soon..
Hey big boy 😂
Switch TTYD is not a remake, it's a remaster. There's literally zero new content, and people have already shown thru character animations being exact copies and gameplay that Nintendo just updated the old code for Switch. Don't be ignorant and lie about it just cause you're excited, thanks.
No new content? Oh boy, you're not in the know. There's some minor additions and changes. According to the comments here, they added a better fast travel method to cut down backtracking. Backtracking was the worst aspect of TTYD, my favorite Paper Mario game. There's also that purple Toad in Glitzville that was not there in the original TTYD. Some other changes beyond that too. It's a remake, not a remaster. Did you even watch the trailers' footage? There's clearly differences there from the original. I don't lie either, but what I do, is follow logic and reasonable thinking, before impulsive claims. This isn't even me being blind of nostalgia of the original version of TTYD, the evidence is right there! You're the ignorant one
>no new content
Okay i guess the new cutscene and battle themes don't exist
also the workaround for backtracking doesn't exist, also all the new animations and QoL stuff doesn't exist. do you actually fucking pay attention.
You know what the *really* insane detail about the TTYD remake is? Halving the framerate of a 20 year old game.
You know what doesn't matter? The framerate.
@@bobosmith101how? It’s noticeable in literally every section of the game, unlike other changes which you can ignore
@@xian2themax Because the framerate alone doesn't necesarilly mean anything on its own. If the game is built around the framerate and reaction times less than 1/30th of a second aren't expected, then you won't have an issue. Ocarina of Time is 20FPS. You know the Kingdom Heart games that got the 60FPS treatment? It broke several bosses because they didn't properly change how the upped FPS would affect everything. Raising the FPS hardly enhances the core gameplay.
@@bobosmith101 they wouldn’t be raising the frame rate though? The original paper Mario TTYD on the Gamecube ran at 60fps. They are DROPPING the fps for the remake. THAT is would will mess up timings.
@@xian2themax Hmm, that I did not know. You've got me there.
It was annoying watching your bingo video just for how pessimistic you guys were, look at that, new features, tracks etc. Just be more optimistic lol feels good
cool
please tell me they’re adding a fast travel option so we don’t have to suffer through the general white bullshit again
Well have I got news for you images.nintendolife.com/9869073a1d2a3/paper-mario-the-thousand-year-door-switch-11.large.jpg
Lol
Judging by the comments here, that seems to be the case. If commenters here are right about that, it helps deal with the worst-paced part of TTYD: General White's quest. You go on a huge wild goose chase trying to find him, only to see after you wasted so much time, that he's back where you left to search for him from
It feels modernized but modern Paper Mario isn't good
in the original demo of paper mario 2 (paper mario ttyd) the cricket badge was actually frog, with koops "dad" saying hooktail hates insects beginning with "fr" and ending in "og"
i'm not so interested in all the details of the buildings and other objects being simplified to be like crappy paper products. the gallows was a victim of this, but also other things. most noticeably the metal door rings around rogueport have been replaced with what looks like a piece of cardboard with a picture of a door ring on it. very unimpressive.